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Bolslania
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Postby Bolslania » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:17 am

Zarnicovia nova wrote:
Bolslania wrote:
I am actually going to have to step in here, Sao Nova Europa's app does state that he controls Manchuria

yeah, but mongolia would be much closer to manchuria where the qing come from. And not having manchuria. manchuria is literally the qing's birth place. His history sounds like the golden horse (which is from the don area) formed russia and then continued as basically the same history as russia. Manchuria is the literal birth place of the qing.
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The manchus formed qing. They would have there home place (In some part)


Their app states that Manchuria was taken between 1500 and 1700, so lets say that the Qing dynasty was established in 1644, and Tatarstan took it later than that.

It sets up a point of contention between China and Tatarstan, while still legitimizing both apps.
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:19 am

Bolslania wrote:
Zarnicovia nova wrote:yeah, but mongolia would be much closer to manchuria where the qing come from. And not having manchuria. manchuria is literally the qing's birth place. His history sounds like the golden horse (which is from the don area) formed russia and then continued as basically the same history as russia. Manchuria is the literal birth place of the qing.
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The manchus formed qing. They would have there home place (In some part)


Their app states that Manchuria was taken between 1500 and 1700, so lets say that the Qing dynasty was established in 1644, and Tatarstan took it later than that.

It sets up a point of contention between China and Tatarstan, while still legitimizing both apps.

how about half of manchuria? The half that qing historically lost to russia and the Japanese didn't take so that the Chinese could retake it.
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Bolslania
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Postby Bolslania » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:22 am

Zarnicovia nova wrote:
Bolslania wrote:
Their app states that Manchuria was taken between 1500 and 1700, so lets say that the Qing dynasty was established in 1644, and Tatarstan took it later than that.

It sets up a point of contention between China and Tatarstan, while still legitimizing both apps.

how about half of manchuria? The half that qing historically lost to russia and the Japanese didn't take so that the Chinese could retake it.


I can't make that decision for Sao so y'all will have to negotiate that.
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:25 am

Bolslania wrote:
Zarnicovia nova wrote:how about half of manchuria? The half that qing historically lost to russia and the Japanese didn't take so that the Chinese could retake it.


I can't make that decision for Sao so y'all will have to negotiate that.

qing would literally collapse into a million pieces if all of manchuria was conquer before around 1850 when they became non-relent off the territory to govern the rest. (Because it was there birth place they used it for all of there man power, all of high ranking members.) it wasn't until around 1850 until those positions we're taken by an Chinese and the territory no longer totally needed for ping's survival.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:26 am

I can accept the half of Manchuria (Outer Manchuria/RL Russian Manchuria), but in that case I'll be keeping Alaska (instead of relinquishing as my app states).
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Postby Bolslania » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:39 am

Sao Nova Europa wrote:I can accept the half of Manchuria (Outer Manchuria/RL Russian Manchuria), but in that case I'll be keeping Alaska (instead of relinquishing as my app states).


Well that settles it.

Tatarstan controls Alaska and Outer Manchuria

Qing China controls the rest of Manchuria
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:40 am

Bolslania wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:I can accept the half of Manchuria (Outer Manchuria/RL Russian Manchuria), but in that case I'll be keeping Alaska (instead of relinquishing as my app states).


Well that settles it.

Tatarstan controls Alaska and Outer Manchuria

Qing China controls the rest of Manchuria

the rest of manchuria, is called central manchuria/dongbei (eastnorth)
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Postby Imperium of Rus » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:53 am

Crisis over


i guess
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Postby Bolslania » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:54 am

Imperium of Rus wrote:Crisis over


i guess


I suppose so
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Postby Orostan » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:45 am

Made a short post regarding Napoleon in Egypt. I agreed with egypt that this was where things would be for now, and I responded to the Bavarian government. If I defeat the Egyptians (which realistically I probably would) I plan to force them to allow me passage to India, where Napoleon will split with his army and go back to Europe to retake Italy from the Austrians. The army will then continue to India and fuck up British control of the continent.
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Postby Deblar » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:01 pm

Just like real life, America will likely watch this from the sidelines, but may get involved if, say, the British offered to let America have Louisiana if they joined the coalition against France
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Postby Monsone » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:14 pm

Orostan wrote:Made a short post regarding Napoleon in Egypt. I agreed with egypt that this was where things would be for now, and I responded to the Bavarian government. If I defeat the Egyptians (which realistically I probably would) I plan to force them to allow me passage to India, where Napoleon will split with his army and go back to Europe to retake Italy from the Austrians. The army will then continue to India and fuck up British control of the continent.


So, you're going to march through the Middle East and Iran to get to India, or are you going to sail there from Egypt's Red Sea coastline? Because both options sound really unappetizing from a tactical perspective; it's either an acute lack of water, extreme heat, and hostile locals if you go by land, or extreme heat, a lack of friendly ports, and the Royal Navy if you go by sea.
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Postby Orostan » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:26 pm

Monsone wrote:
Orostan wrote:Made a short post regarding Napoleon in Egypt. I agreed with egypt that this was where things would be for now, and I responded to the Bavarian government. If I defeat the Egyptians (which realistically I probably would) I plan to force them to allow me passage to India, where Napoleon will split with his army and go back to Europe to retake Italy from the Austrians. The army will then continue to India and fuck up British control of the continent.


So, you're going to march through the Middle East and Iran to get to India, or are you going to sail there from Egypt's Red Sea coastline? Because both options sound really unappetizing from a tactical perspective; it's either an acute lack of water, extreme heat, and hostile locals if you go by land, or extreme heat, a lack of friendly ports, and the Royal Navy if you go by sea.

The Royal Navy may not be able to intercept us if the idea I have goes through.
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Postby Monsone » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:11 pm

Deblar wrote:Just like real life, America will likely watch this from the sidelines, but may get involved if, say, the British offered to let America have Louisiana if they joined the coalition against France


Then you would have to give up Rupert's Land and northern Maine to Britain in exchange for further western expansion.
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Postby Deblar » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:24 pm

Monsone wrote:
Deblar wrote:Just like real life, America will likely watch this from the sidelines, but may get involved if, say, the British offered to let America have Louisiana if they joined the coalition against France


Then you would have to give up Rupert's Land and northern Maine to Britain in exchange for further western expansion.

Well, I think Adams would be reluctant to give those up should the British make the offer. But, Y’know, I personally don’t think that the British would unless they were desperate. Just a little speculation.
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Postby Monsone » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:39 pm

Deblar wrote:Well, I think Adams would be reluctant to give those up should the British make the offer. But, Y’know, I personally don’t think that the British would unless they were desperate. Just a little speculation.


Why would such a deal be a sign of British desperation? Once things in Eurasia calm down, Britain could turn its full might on the US and just take the land it wants by force. The idea behind the deal is to give the US nice usable (and stolen) lands to get back frozen wastelands that look nice on paper for the British crown.

It's a deal that especially benefits the US because you get New Orleans and plenty of other lands that are ideal for agriculture out of it at the cost of some useful land, and a whole lot of frozen tundra and forests that is underpopulated. And honestly, this is a pretty beneficial outcome for the US considering all other possible outcomes of the Napoleonic Wars in the Americas.
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Postby Trenaka » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:55 pm

Made a post regarding the messages sent to Vienna, and sent some back regarding the formation of a second coalition.
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Postby Langenia » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Would it be possible to reserve Spain?

Edit: Nvm, I see Spain's been reserved. All the good nations have been accepted or reserved dangit.
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Postby Orostan » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:05 pm

Langenia wrote:Would it be possible to reserve Spain?

Edit: Nvm, I see Spain's been reserved. All the good nations have been accepted or reserved dangit.

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Postby Hopal » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:10 pm

Langenia wrote:Would it be possible to reserve Spain?

Edit: Nvm, I see Spain's been reserved. All the good nations have been accepted or reserved dangit.

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Postby St George Territory » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:20 pm

Going to be reserving Tecumseh's Confederacy
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Postby Imperium of Rus » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:24 pm

Oh it isn't pain to be here for 1 second anymore. Great!
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Postby Trenaka » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:27 pm

Orostan wrote:
Langenia wrote:Would it be possible to reserve Spain?

Edit: Nvm, I see Spain's been reserved. All the good nations have been accepted or reserved dangit.

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Trenakan National News, Wednesday, May 12th BREAKING NEWS: An amendment to the Trenakan Constitution is proposed in the Reprasentantenhäus, proposing that presidential elections in the future use ranked-choice voting, instead of first past the post voting. It is thought to have bipartisan support, with a majority of Trenakans from all parties supporting it. However, President Schmidt has said that he opposes ranked-choice voting, which could sway enough legislators against voting for it to halt the proposal from reaching a 2/3 majority.
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Postby Imperium of Rus » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:38 pm

Trenaka wrote:
Orostan wrote:play as ulm

the mighty U L M

U L M W I L L C O N Q U E R A L L
I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD AND VODKA ON MY SIDE!

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Postby Chinniwana » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:48 pm

Langenia wrote:Would it be possible to reserve Spain?

Edit: Nvm, I see Spain's been reserved. All the good nations have been accepted or reserved dangit.


We are missing the Netherlands/the Batavian Republic. Napoleon could use a real Ally in the upcoming wars.

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