by Giovenith » Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:31 pm
by New Jacobland » Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:35 pm
by Tinhampton » Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:37 pm
by Grenartia » Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:40 pm
Giovenith wrote:Hello everyone.
As some of our long-time users might have noticed, things have changed a lot on the RP scene, and there's been quiet concerns for a while now that the old tools are not providing adequately for a modern roleplayer's needs. In particular, increasing insulation of player friend groups and an inability to easily navigate or understand the purpose of various RP tools have been a frequently cited concern.
This is why we're excited to announce that P2TM will soon be getting an overhaul! We have plans that will hopefully reinvigorate the community, foster communication, and make it easier to exchange ideas and advice about RP.
But before we put things into motion, we want to hear from you. Please feel free to share here any suggestions, questions, concerns, criticism, or other input that you would like to see addressed.
So far, we (the mentors) are strongly leaning towards the following:
- Retire the Restaurant, Cafe, and Advertisement threads in favor of consolidating them into a universal P2TM Community Discussion Thread. This would be done with the aim of fostering more interaction between community members instead of splintering them into different hubs and getting more eyes on future games.
- Better organization of resources in the OP of the new PCDT. This would include clear, bold, upfront links to the rules of both NS and the RP community at large, Help and Feedback requests, a list of RP guides, a regularly updated spotlight area for advertisements for upcoming games as well as Exceptional Posts made within existing games, and others!
by 95X » Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:06 pm
Nation not my RL views, etc.
Poe's Law. Nonpartisan.
by Talchyon » Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:33 pm
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by Zarkenis Ultima » Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:14 am
Talchyon wrote:I'm alright with a rebrand. One thing I do appreciate is the Advertisement thread. I find it easier to look through posts that are all ads, then I do to have to hunt and dig through chatter to find an ad.
That said, I do think the ad formats themselves can be modified. Some of the questions don't make sense (e.g., the one dealing with whether or not it's running currently, if not, put in the IC - or something like that. Don't quote me, it's just always seemed kind of odd).
by Sylvanstreak » Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:28 pm
95X wrote:I've been on NS with various nations for some time, every so often I'll poke in here (while logged in or not) to see what's happening. Like with everything else on NS there's a learning curve and subforum-specific etiquette, and to be honest I've found it difficult to get started. At times I'll look at an older thread to see how a RP is going, or see if it was finished, only to see 'we gave up' or 'we moved to Discord'. (I'd rather RP on a forum and Discord's not my favorite service, yet I seem to have an account there anyway… )
Something that might be helpful is some kind of always-open "starter RP" for those who are new and would like to try participating here, with those who are willing to accept that some of the participants are new and just getting started and won't boil over if one of us commits an etiquette gaffe. There's probably a way to do it that makes it a RP but not a CLT which I'm sure nobody would want.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious and/or there's a different way to address the same thing, which has happened before. I'd rather take questions/responses about the idea here if allowed instead of TG, TY.
by Talchyon » Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:24 am
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Talchyon wrote:That said, I do think the ad formats themselves can be modified. Some of the questions don't make sense (e.g., the one dealing with whether or not it's running currently, if not, put in the IC - or something like that. Don't quote me, it's just always seemed kind of odd).
Regarding the formatting itself, we'll keep that in mind. The original formats were made a long time ago, by mentors who are no longer a part of the program.
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by CoraSpia » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:52 am
by Giovenith » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:29 pm
CoraSpia wrote:I think I would rather keep the advertisement thread running, but have a separate and linked (probably not stickied, it's linked, it doesn't need to be stickied) archive of thread links for currently running rps. I would much rather be able to easily find adverts for rps rather than wading through chatter, and in the very rare case in which I am an OP/co-op of an rp I'd like it displayed easily without getting buried.
by The Knockout Gun Gals » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:10 am
by CoraSpia » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:31 am
Giovenith wrote:CoraSpia wrote:I think I would rather keep the advertisement thread running, but have a separate and linked (probably not stickied, it's linked, it doesn't need to be stickied) archive of thread links for currently running rps. I would much rather be able to easily find adverts for rps rather than wading through chatter, and in the very rare case in which I am an OP/co-op of an rp I'd like it displayed easily without getting buried.
This is something we have considered, to keep the main advertisement thread as a sort of archive in addition to our new proposals, which were created with the intention of bringing more community attention onto the ads.
by Ithalian Empire » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 pm
CoraSpia wrote:Giovenith wrote:
This is something we have considered, to keep the main advertisement thread as a sort of archive in addition to our new proposals, which were created with the intention of bringing more community attention onto the ads.
Really it's about how much work the mentors/mods really want to do, so I assume what I propose wouldn't be possible, because it would require a mod to change the OP every time an advert is made, or have someone active enough to be guaranteed not to go awol to do so.
Back in the long ago, there was a very actively maintained list on GE&T of every storefront in existance. Someone would make their storefront, say a little about it, and the OP would create a link to it in that thread. It went through about 4 different OPs, GE&T became less active, all very sad; however I'm not sure why such a system couldn't work here. It could be sorted into categories and the link could be suffixed with a small summary provided by the OP about what the rp consists of. To take an rp for example (deliberately one that finished ages ago, doubt you want me plugging something):
'The school for half-humans is an rp set in a magical school where all characters are half human and half magical creature; characters have unique powersets and there is a maintained storyline.'
Something of that kind of ilk might be the best way to run advertisements in the future, more of a p2tm index.
by Talchyon » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:28 am
CoraSpia wrote:Giovenith wrote:
This is something we have considered, to keep the main advertisement thread as a sort of archive in addition to our new proposals, which were created with the intention of bringing more community attention onto the ads.
Really it's about how much work the mentors/mods really want to do, so I assume what I propose wouldn't be possible, because it would require a mod to change the OP every time an advert is made, or have someone active enough to be guaranteed not to go awol to do so.
Back in the long ago, there was a very actively maintained list on GE&T of every storefront in existance. Someone would make their storefront, say a little about it, and the OP would create a link to it in that thread. It went through about 4 different OPs, GE&T became less active, all very sad; however I'm not sure why such a system couldn't work here. It could be sorted into categories and the link could be suffixed with a small summary provided by the OP about what the rp consists of. To take an rp for example (deliberately one that finished ages ago, doubt you want me plugging something):
'The school for half-humans is an rp set in a magical school where all characters are half human and half magical creature; characters have unique powersets and there is a maintained storyline.'
Something of that kind of ilk might be the best way to run advertisements in the future, more of a p2tm index.
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by CoraSpia » Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:26 am
Talchyon wrote:CoraSpia wrote:Really it's about how much work the mentors/mods really want to do, so I assume what I propose wouldn't be possible, because it would require a mod to change the OP every time an advert is made, or have someone active enough to be guaranteed not to go awol to do so.
Back in the long ago, there was a very actively maintained list on GE&T of every storefront in existance. Someone would make their storefront, say a little about it, and the OP would create a link to it in that thread. It went through about 4 different OPs, GE&T became less active, all very sad; however I'm not sure why such a system couldn't work here. It could be sorted into categories and the link could be suffixed with a small summary provided by the OP about what the rp consists of. To take an rp for example (deliberately one that finished ages ago, doubt you want me plugging something):
'The school for half-humans is an rp set in a magical school where all characters are half human and half magical creature; characters have unique powersets and there is a maintained storyline.'
Something of that kind of ilk might be the best way to run advertisements in the future, more of a p2tm index.
I think this is a great idea in theory, and in practice it would become very easily frustrating.
by Forest State » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:06 pm
by Lavan Tiri » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:41 am
Big Jim P wrote:I like the way you think.
Constaniana wrote:Ah, so you were dropped on your head. This explains a lot.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Snarky bastard.
The Grey Wolf wrote:You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:I'm not sure whether to laugh because thIs is the best satire I've ever seen or be very very afraid because someone actually thinks all this so.... have a cookie?
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by Talchyon » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:02 pm
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by Constaniana » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:06 pm
Talchyon wrote:Here's an idea I've been tossing around. Don't know if NS would allow it or how it would go, but hear me out.
When I got into NS, I had no idea what P2TM was. I was on for about 9 months, not caring about the forums, and only marginally interested in the WA. I was in a pretty active region, though, and those guys interacted with each other a lot. One of the things they did was start planning a regional RP on P2TM and I signed up for it. Not familiar with RPs, I didn't know what all this meant, only that the other guys in my region were there. And I enjoyed it.
I started poking around other things on P2TM. Again, not knowing the way things went, I made a post on an IC without first making an app. The OP was pretty good natured though, and let me app and accepted me. And from that, I learned RP format, coding, running an RP, and the rest is history. It was about 8 months into my time being on NS.
So, my idea is, how can we reach out to guys like me when I first started? I propose a way to advertise to new players. Perhaps a handy link, here is what an RP is. You can have fun with it. Don't make it long or complex. But then, see if NS will advertise this when people sign up for new countries. That way, they will have links they can get into and have an idea about what RPs are. That will draw more people in. Some will stay and keep playing.
Ameriganastan wrote:I work hard to think of those ludicrous Eric adventure stories, but I don't think I'd have come up with rescuing a three armed alchemist from goblin-monkeys in a million years.
Kudos.
by Northern Socialist Council Republics » Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:10 pm
Lavan Tiri wrote:a general agreement to avoid reliance on Discord
by Constaniana » Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:37 pm
Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:Lavan Tiri wrote:a general agreement to avoid reliance on Discord
This is and has been for some time a routine complaint of mine.
Nothing kills my interest deader than an RP that launches with all the pertinent world building already complete, a half a dozen registered reservations right from hour one, and an OOC thread that’s more boring than a church because everyone’s discussing stuff in a private server.
I think that we should really be performing some quantitative evaluations of P2TM. First of all, is it declining compared to, say, the 2014-2017 period that I remember fondly? How many active RPs are there compared to the same time of year in 2015? Are there fewer people in P2TM as a whole? As they joining fewer RPs each? What’s the average thread age and post count?
What precisely definable phenomena, in short, are creating this general feeling of decline and decay? I might try my hand at this myself, if I have the time.
Until we can pin down the problem we can only make guesses at possible solutions.
Ameriganastan wrote:I work hard to think of those ludicrous Eric adventure stories, but I don't think I'd have come up with rescuing a three armed alchemist from goblin-monkeys in a million years.
Kudos.
by Talchyon » Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:51 pm
Constaniana wrote:If you end up trying to count the active RP's now compared to the past I could give you some data on that. I did a census back in May 2015 of active RP's. I also worked on another one in late March/early April last year which never saw the light of day.
Louisianan wrote:Talchyon has great comedic writing, that is true.
by Constaniana » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:52 pm
Talchyon wrote:Constaniana wrote:If you end up trying to count the active RP's now compared to the past I could give you some data on that. I did a census back in May 2015 of active RP's. I also worked on another one in late March/early April last year which never saw the light of day.
As one who got started in RPs in 2016, I never got the chance to see this paper. I for one would like to see it (or something like it) to make a comeback.
Ameriganastan wrote:I work hard to think of those ludicrous Eric adventure stories, but I don't think I'd have come up with rescuing a three armed alchemist from goblin-monkeys in a million years.
Kudos.
by Grenartia » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:55 pm
Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:Lavan Tiri wrote:a general agreement to avoid reliance on Discord
This is and has been for some time a routine complaint of mine.
Nothing kills my interest deader than an RP that launches with all the pertinent world building already complete, a half a dozen registered reservations right from hour one, and an OOC thread that’s more boring than a church because everyone’s discussing stuff in a private server.
I think that we should really be performing some quantitative evaluations of P2TM. First of all, is it declining compared to, say, the 2014-2017 period that I remember fondly? How many active RPs are there compared to the same time of year in 2015? Are there fewer people in P2TM as a whole? As they joining fewer RPs each? What’s the average thread age and post count?
What precisely definable phenomena, in short, are creating this general feeling of decline and decay? I might try my hand at this myself, if I have the time.
Until we can pin down the problem we can only make guesses at possible solutions.
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