Louisianan wrote:Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:"I think this debate was productive, because it reveals the emptiness behind opposition to the poll tax abolition amendment and the individuals and groups, inside and outside of politics, that these forces align with. Representative Broussard openly admits that the poll tax is against the white poor, yet believes that it should be up to the institutions that work disenfranchise the white poor, to choose when they are owed their rights. Representative Broussard uses the fact that his state eventually ended poll taxation, as an defense against not banning it federally. His position is that the unrepresented should be at the mercy of those that government them without their consent, as to when they receive rights. "
"Representative Broussard, the British eventually gave Canada a representative government, but our nation was not founded on waiting for the deference of a government we had no representation in. Broussard opposes the very notion the federal government, of which he has a say in, regulating the decisions of states through the constitution, but expects us to consider legitimate, the regulation by states that disenfranchise those they govern. The position of the Fraser campaign, is that the legitimacy of all governments, federal, state and local, is derived from free selection of representatives by those our constitution, ratified by our states, have promised the right to vote. The ultimate respect for state sovereignty, is the enforcement of the constitution our states agreed upon. Since our founding, our ultimate means of enforcement has been the federal government."
"The Poll Tax is a bad thing, I am agreeing there, but I disagree with you on your saying that the Federal Government has a right to overpower the State Governments. In the constitution, it says, 'We the People' and citizens of each state are the people and it is a fact that citizens have a more direct say in their state governments than they do in the Federal Government."
"The banning of the poll tax on a federal level would not be a decision based upon the wishes of the citizens. Like I told Representative Douglas, it is true that two-thirds of the states must ratify the amendment, but currently, MORE than two-thirds of the states do not have a poll tax, therefore, it would be unfair to the citizens and legislators of the states that DO have a poll tax. If you want to talk about silence, then why don't you remake this amendment, why don't we pass it, and why don't we watch as every other state in the union silences the wants and wishes of the Poll Tax states who may refuse to ratify it."
"Whether the minority of Poll Tax states ratify it or not, the Amendment would automatically have to be recognized because those states are not needed to get a two-thirds majority. I live in Louisiana, therefore, I don't understand the needs of states like New York. It is abhorrently clear to me that Senator Fraser wants each state to lose its independence in matters like this, simply because she doesn't understand the wants and needs of the folks of Alabama, but yet she wants to force them to follow the same rules as New York. This is wrong, each state knows its own people better than anyone else but the lord up above. Had a Senator from Alabama, joined by a Senator from Mississippi and the other poll tax states, decided to write this amendment, then that's another story, but a woman who lives in the Big Apple doesn't know jack diddly about the Big Easy, or other southern cities."
"The constitution establishes the Supreme Court as the final arbitrators of law, it's judges are nominated by the president and approved by the senate, all federal. Never-mind Article six which, specifically establishes federal laws as the supreme law of the land. I simply mentioned the supreme court first, as I question Broussard's familiarity with the constitution."
"As long as the poll taxation exists and it abridges the constitutionally promised right to vote, it is impossible to tell what the citizens of states with poll taxes actually think. Ensuring that states with poll taxes have them abolished against the wishes of legislators that don't represent their citizens because of said poll taxes, is not unfair. What's unfair is sharing a federal government with individuals who are not accountable to an electorate that matches that which our constitution, which was ratified by the states in exchange in which they sacrificed sovereignty for the benefit of a union that follows the constitution it agreed upon."
"It's irrelevant to this issue that you as a Louisianan do not know what is best for the state of New York. By opposing the abolition of poll taxation, you are clearly standing in opposition to the agreement that was made when the states in came together in a union, and that agreement includes the free participation of the citizens that the constitution promises the right to vote, in the process of selecting representatives at all levels of government."
"Poll Taxes are simply a loophole that unscrupulous governments have used to sidestep the constitution. Side stepping the constitution, represents a de-facto, local repeal of parts of the constitution, that happens outside of the legitimate constitution amending process. The Poll Tax abolition amendment, wouldn't have taken sovereignty from states, but closed a loophole in an agreement already made by the states, a loophole that undermines state's sovereignty by cheating them out of the proper enforcement of a constitution they agreed upon following."
"With Broussard's rubbish disposed in less time than it took for it to be dumped, let me make a few more statements. America stands at a crossroads, as this decade draws to an end and we head into the 1960s. On one hand, we have forces that represents the ugly unthinking features of our past, as represented by the likes of Broussard and his political allies, many of which only hold their positions through the mass disenfranchisement of whites, never-mind non-whites, when our constitution promises them the vote. Then the other side, the Tom Fraser Presidential campaign, which is forward lookin, and seeks to build on our most glorious triumphs and repair our greatest weaknesses and bring Americans of every color, creed, race, class and region, together."