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Lokhúr, King of Umbar

Postby Lindon-Rivendell » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:37 am

Name:Lokhúr Mezgheter
Race:Nazgul/ Numenorean
Appearance: Image
Role: King of Umbar, Harondor, Belfalas, Tolfalas, Lebbenin, South Ithilien and Dor-en-ernil
Motivations:SERVING GREAT LORD SAURON
History: After Sauron’s Victory, Lokhúr got Southeastern Gondor. He turned the Swan Knight Order of Dol Amroth into The order of Raven Knights. He also got a new sword, because during the battle of pellenor fields, he was fighting Dentheor who managed to break it, but that didn't stop him, after a while, Lokhúr managed to kill him with his own sword. His new sword is called Pithtráink, it's blade is made from Númenorean Obsidian which was enchanted by Sauron. It's grip is from Mirk-oak, it's guard from gilded iron and it's pommel from black marble. It's worth noting that he sees Sauron as his father figure, because his father died in Sauron's service when Lokhúr was young. Also he dislikes flying on fell beasts, because he's afraid of heights, he prefers his favorite horse Phäermegil.
Territory: (If Applicable) SE Gondor+Umbar (Capital: Dol Amroth)
Strength: (I.e. Retinues, Beasts of War, Ships, etc.) 3 personal horses, 1 personal Fell beast, 5 personal Raven Knight Guards; 200 Warg Riders, 12000 Mordor Orcs, 600 Uruks, 200 Black Uruk-Hai, 20 Raven Knights, 1000 Umbar Corsairs.
Notable Artifacts: Ring Qanthya(Black Steel and an Amethyst), Pithráink and Crown of Umbar.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:38 am

Elerian wrote:Nice to see many of you are still here. I put up the IC, although it doesn't have the starting events like I had hoped, I should have those up soon.

Here's the link, enjoy!

Ah, don't stress those. We'll be keeping busy till then!
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:04 am

My app should be complete
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:01 am

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Name:Lokhúr Mezgheter


Judgement is of course up to Elerian but some things I can see:
-Durin's Bane would likely never gift Mithril to something as insignificant to him as Lokhur. If you require Mithril, I believe it was stated in the books that Moria was raided multiple times and much of its Mithril carted off to the Dark Lord of Mordor.
-Harondor was already occupied/annexed by Harad before the War of the Ring. If you require more territory, you could probably grab more of Gondor all the way to Anfalas.
-there is no reason for you to have orcs from Moria and Gundabad all the way down in Dol Amroth.
-if you want, you can probably have notably higher numbers of troops
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Excellent! The northwest is getting spicy!
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Postby Elerian » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:37 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:-Snip-


Glad to see you made it Tracian, accepted.

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:-Snip-


While I like the general idea, I'm going to have to agree with Exil on his points he raised with your app. In addition to that though, I don't know what Durnor or Gulduril is supposed to be, so some clarification there is in order.

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Postby Lindon-Rivendell » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:57 am

Elerian wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:-Snip-


Glad to see you made it Tracian, accepted.

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:-Snip-


While I like the general idea, I'm going to have to agree with Exil on his points he raised with your app. In addition to that though, I don't know what Durnor or Gulduril is supposed to be, so some clarification there is in order.

Durnor and Gulduril are two types of Mordorian crystals, which can be forged into metal parts and give them magical effects.
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Postby Lindon-Rivendell » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:07 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Name:Lokhúr Mezgheter


Judgement is of course up to Elerian but some things I can see:
-Durin's Bane would likely never gift Mithril to something as insignificant to him as Lokhur. If you require Mithril, I believe it was stated in the books that Moria was raided multiple times and much of its Mithril carted off to the Dark Lord of Mordor.
-Harondor was already occupied/annexed by Harad before the War of the Ring. If you require more territory, you could probably grab more of Gondor all the way to Anfalas.
-there is no reason for you to have orcs from Moria and Gundabad all the way down in Dol Amroth.
-if you want, you can probably have notably higher numbers of troops
Tracian Empire wrote:My app should be complete


Excellent! The northwest is getting spicy!

-Fixed, Sauron gave him some!
-Harondor was always mine, im just admitting it, i'm rather gonna expand into harad, dont wanna pi*s off saruman
-fixed
-fixed
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:35 am

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Judgement is of course up to Elerian but some things I can see:
-Durin's Bane would likely never gift Mithril to something as insignificant to him as Lokhur. If you require Mithril, I believe it was stated in the books that Moria was raided multiple times and much of its Mithril carted off to the Dark Lord of Mordor.
-Harondor was already occupied/annexed by Harad before the War of the Ring. If you require more territory, you could probably grab more of Gondor all the way to Anfalas.
-there is no reason for you to have orcs from Moria and Gundabad all the way down in Dol Amroth.
-if you want, you can probably have notably higher numbers of troops


Excellent! The northwest is getting spicy!

-Fixed, Sauron gave him some!
-Harondor was always mine, im just admitting it, i'm rather gonna expand into harad, dont wanna pi*s off saruman
-fixed
-fixed

You are wise.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:58 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:-Fixed, Sauron gave him some!
-Harondor was always mine, im just admitting it, i'm rather gonna expand into harad, dont wanna pi*s off saruman
-fixed
-fixed

You are wise.

Yeah, tens of thousands of fighting Uruk-hai breathing down one's neck are quite scary.
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Postby Arlye Austros » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:46 am

Added the Mordor Brood. Still I think I will have to work on sizes and numbers.

Note that the Crack-feeders are just larvae and not really combatants.
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Postby Elerian » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:56 pm

Arlye Austros wrote:Added the Mordor Brood. Still I think I will have to work on sizes and numbers.

Note that the Crack-feeders are just larvae and not really combatants.


Okay, looks good, although some of the new photos didn't work for me.

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Will more people come, or should i invite my friends from allround NS?
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:02 am

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Durnor and Gulduril are two types of Mordorian crystals, which can be forged into metal parts and give them magical effects.

Could you perhaps define said magical effects? From what I could find on a Minecraft Wikipedia, both are made up by a Mod team, one is simply Mordor Coal and the other is supposedly Morgul Blade material.

Putting aside the dubious nature of these materials, you can't just mash together any material to create something new and fictional that actually works. Some materials don't mix IRL, others don't mix well. Like, maybe a mixture of this Gulduril and Mithril creates an extremely brittle, dull material? Maybe they cancel out their magical properties? Etc. What magical properties were you even thinking of for that sword? That it is light and unbreakable (Mithril)? That it breaks apart inside its victims and turns them into wraiths (Gulduril)? You see, these already directly contradict each other. Maybe you should just go with something more regular? A steel sword perhaps with some enchantments and a smaller Morgul Blade to back him up? Or a Mithril one ,albeit it seems like a waste since I have only heard of its protective abilities rather than any particularly great cutting abilities (a lighter sword without better cutting ability is actually kinda counterproductive I think, since weight does matter in striking)? Perhaps an Obsidian sword from old Numenor (I think Orthanc might be from Obsidian and Greedfall did some cool stuff with making the natives' weapons be all Obsidian based so something could probably be done there)?

Arlye Austros wrote:Added the Mordor Brood. Still I think I will have to work on sizes and numbers.

Note that the Crack-feeders are just larvae and not really combatants.

You old Masochist really aren't pulling any punches on your arachnophobia, are you? Now not only with descriptions but also pictures!
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Postby Lindon-Rivendell » Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:16 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Durnor and Gulduril are two types of Mordorian crystals, which can be forged into metal parts and give them magical effects.

Could you perhaps define said magical effects? From what I could find on a Minecraft Wikipedia, both are made up by a Mod team, one is simply Mordor Coal and the other is supposedly Morgul Blade material.

Putting aside the dubious nature of these materials, you can't just mash together any material to create something new and fictional that actually works. Some materials don't mix IRL, others don't mix well. Like, maybe a mixture of this Gulduril and Mithril creates an extremely brittle, dull material? Maybe they cancel out their magical properties? Etc. What magical properties were you even thinking of for that sword? That it is light and unbreakable (Mithril)? That it breaks apart inside its victims and turns them into wraiths (Gulduril)? You see, these already directly contradict each other. Maybe you should just go with something more regular? A steel sword perhaps with some enchantments and a smaller Morgul Blade to back him up? Or a Mithril one ,albeit it seems like a waste since I have only heard of its protective abilities rather than any particularly great cutting abilities (a lighter sword without better cutting ability is actually kinda counterproductive I think, since weight does matter in striking)? Perhaps an Obsidian sword from old Numenor (I think Orthanc might be from Obsidian and Greedfall did some cool stuff with making the natives' weapons be all Obsidian based so something could probably be done there)?

So I took inspiration from the mod and the Black Umbaran Steel, when you penetrate someone with it gives them INSANE amount of pain and, because of gulduril, durnor is in it only to enhance gulduril effects and the penetration.
gulduril and durnor can be put into mithril by smelting it(mithril) and putting small parts of crushed crystals.
But I'll go with a sword out of numenorean obsidian and wicked by sauron.
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Postby Order of Maesters » Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:43 pm

At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?

If so, I would love to apply as him.
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Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?

If so, I would love to apply as him.

I do consider them the same, simply because that would make him the single most badass character in all of Tolkien's writings.

Although we should be careful, because the Legolas Greenleaf from Gondolin is definitely not the same Legolas Greenleaf as the one in Lord of the Rings.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:12 pm

Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?

If so, I would love to apply as him.

I know he died.

The Lord of the Rings main trilogy doesn't exactly mention if or why or how he is the same but the wikis do say this:

Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381

Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[1]:381-382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[4] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron.[1]:382 He may have played a prominent behind-the-scenes role in the war in Eriador and the other struggles of the Second Age and Third Age. His part, though great, was mostly overlooked by the histories, because his immense, angelic power was not usually displayed openly.


As Lord of the Grey Havens then I assume?
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Postby Order of Maesters » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:16 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?

If so, I would love to apply as him.

I do consider them the same, simply because that would make him the single most badass character in all of Tolkien's writings.

Although we should be careful, because the Legolas Greenleaf from Gondolin is definitely not the same Legolas Greenleaf as the one in Lord of the Rings.

Likewise, ever since 12 year old me read about Glorfindel driving the Nazgul into the Bruinen, I knew he was my favourite character.

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?

If so, I would love to apply as him.

I know he died.

The Lord of the Rings main trilogy doesn't exactly mention if or why or how he is the same but the wikis do say this:

Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381

Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[1]:381-382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[4] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron.[1]:382 He may have played a prominent behind-the-scenes role in the war in Eriador and the other struggles of the Second Age and Third Age. His part, though great, was mostly overlooked by the histories, because his immense, angelic power was not usually displayed openly.


As Lord of the Grey Havens then I assume?


There has been a lot of debate surrounding him; Tolkien's writings however seem to conclude that they were in fact the same character.

At any rate what at first sight may seem the simplest solution must be abandoned: sc. that we have merely a reduplication of names, and that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell were different persons. This repetition of so striking a name, though possible, would not be credible... Also it may be found that acceptance of the identity of Glorfindel of old and of the Third Age will actually explain what is said of him and improve the story...
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...After his purging of any guilt that he had incurred in the rebellion, he was released from Mandos, and Manwë restored him...
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We may then best suppose that Glorfindel returned during the Second Age, before the ‘shadow’ fell on Numenor - Last Writings, page 380-82


This would make sense to me largely because of the power he is implied to have withing Fellowship. Were I to play him I suppose if would be as a leader of what Noldor remain in Eriador and Lindon. I am not sure how he would best fit into the RP as of yet.
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Postby Lindon-Rivendell » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:05 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?

If so, I would love to apply as him.

I know he died.

The Lord of the Rings main trilogy doesn't exactly mention if or why or how he is the same but the wikis do say this:

Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381

Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[1]:381-382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[4] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron.[1]:382 He may have played a prominent behind-the-scenes role in the war in Eriador and the other struggles of the Second Age and Third Age. His part, though great, was mostly overlooked by the histories, because his immense, angelic power was not usually displayed openly.


As Lord of the Grey Havens then I assume?

Glorfindel was ressurected after all and became the glorfindel of rivendell, in retirement
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Postby Lindon-Rivendell » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:09 am

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:I know he died.

The Lord of the Rings main trilogy doesn't exactly mention if or why or how he is the same but the wikis do say this:

Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381

Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[1]:381-382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[4] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron.[1]:382 He may have played a prominent behind-the-scenes role in the war in Eriador and the other struggles of the Second Age and Third Age. His part, though great, was mostly overlooked by the histories, because his immense, angelic power was not usually displayed openly.


As Lord of the Grey Havens then I assume?

Glorfindel was ressurected after all and became the glorfindel of rivendell, in retirement

But I'd rather not play as him, because hes a good guy and the only main good guy is galadriel.
It'll be hard to play as a goodie in the world of baddies, i know that because i tried to be elrond.
My advise is to choose a nazgul. so op. but you dont have to do that, you can be glorfindel anyways, its just my experience.
BTW Why did they choose to rip him out completly out of Peter jackson's Lotr?
Btw i know he appeared a few times, but no lines and a bad choose of actor to portray the badass man
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:40 am

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Glorfindel was ressurected after all and became the glorfindel of rivendell, in retirement

But I'd rather not play as him, because hes a good guy and the only main good guy is galadriel.
It'll be hard to play as a goodie in the world of baddies, i know that because i tried to be elrond.
My advise is to choose a nazgul. so op. but you dont have to do that, you can be glorfindel anyways, its just my experience.
BTW Why did they choose to rip him out completly out of Peter jackson's Lotr?
Btw i know he appeared a few times, but no lines and a bad choose of actor to portray the badass man

It would have taken too long to set him up, only to have him disappear from the story. Arwen lacked a lot of development in the books, so they gave his bits to her, a good choice in my opinion.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:25 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:But I'd rather not play as him, because hes a good guy and the only main good guy is galadriel.
It'll be hard to play as a goodie in the world of baddies, i know that because i tried to be elrond.
My advise is to choose a nazgul. so op. but you dont have to do that, you can be glorfindel anyways, its just my experience.
BTW Why did they choose to rip him out completly out of Peter jackson's Lotr?
Btw i know he appeared a few times, but no lines and a bad choose of actor to portray the badass man

It would have taken too long to set him up, only to have him disappear from the story. Arwen lacked a lot of development in the books, so they gave his bits to her, a good choice in my opinion.

Gonna have to agree, Arwen was definitely more relevant to the story so any additional development she got was good.

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I do consider them the same, simply because that would make him the single most badass character in all of Tolkien's writings.

Although we should be careful, because the Legolas Greenleaf from Gondolin is definitely not the same Legolas Greenleaf as the one in Lord of the Rings.

Likewise, ever since 12 year old me read about Glorfindel driving the Nazgul into the Bruinen, I knew he was my favourite character.

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:I know he died.

The Lord of the Rings main trilogy doesn't exactly mention if or why or how he is the same but the wikis do say this:

Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381

Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[1]:381-382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[4] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron.[1]:382 He may have played a prominent behind-the-scenes role in the war in Eriador and the other struggles of the Second Age and Third Age. His part, though great, was mostly overlooked by the histories, because his immense, angelic power was not usually displayed openly.


As Lord of the Grey Havens then I assume?


There has been a lot of debate surrounding him; Tolkien's writings however seem to conclude that they were in fact the same character.

At any rate what at first sight may seem the simplest solution must be abandoned: sc. that we have merely a reduplication of names, and that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell were different persons. This repetition of so striking a name, though possible, would not be credible... Also it may be found that acceptance of the identity of Glorfindel of old and of the Third Age will actually explain what is said of him and improve the story...
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...After his purging of any guilt that he had incurred in the rebellion, he was released from Mandos, and Manwë restored him...
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We may then best suppose that Glorfindel returned during the Second Age, before the ‘shadow’ fell on Numenor - Last Writings, page 380-82


This would make sense to me largely because of the power he is implied to have withing Fellowship. Were I to play him I suppose if would be as a leader of what Noldor remain in Eriador and Lindon. I am not sure how he would best fit into the RP as of yet.

Indeed, he'd likely step up, now in this time of extreme need.

I guess perhaps his main focus would be to get all Elves safely out of Middle-Earth and back to Valinor?
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Postby Elerian » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:51 pm

Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?

If so, I would love to apply as him.


Certainly open to the idea of it being the same person, so be my guest.

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Postby Lindon-Rivendell » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:38 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:But I'd rather not play as him, because hes a good guy and the only main good guy is galadriel.
It'll be hard to play as a goodie in the world of baddies, i know that because i tried to be elrond.
My advise is to choose a nazgul. so op. but you dont have to do that, you can be glorfindel anyways, its just my experience.
BTW Why did they choose to rip him out completly out of Peter jackson's Lotr?
Btw i know he appeared a few times, but no lines and a bad choose of actor to portray the badass man

It would have taken too long to set him up, only to have him disappear from the story. Arwen lacked a lot of development in the books, so they gave his bits to her, a good choice in my opinion.

yeah, but NO LINES?
That's a liiitlle much.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:47 am

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:It would have taken too long to set him up, only to have him disappear from the story. Arwen lacked a lot of development in the books, so they gave his bits to her, a good choice in my opinion.

yeah, but NO LINES?
That's a liiitlle much.

If he had any lines, he would have to be introduced as this awesome character with enormous backstory and history, in the space of just those lines, just that scene, and vanish afterwards from the story.

This, in a scene that already introduces us to a lot of characters, and characters which are far, far more important. If you look back at the scene, only the future Fellowship (and Elrond) has lines, because those are the people we need to get familiar with. There is literally no purpose in giving Glorfindel anything to say, other than 'this is a cool character, he deserves screen time', but that would be at the cost of the streamlined nature. The strick of any kind of storytelling is to contain your story to contain that story to as few characters as possible; this streamlines the story, gives more persona to the characters we need to know, and takes it away from distracting fluff.

Why is Glorfindel even in the book? Because The Lord of the Rings books are both a self-contained story and a guided tour through the lands of Middle Earth that Tolkien had created beforehand. If that is your goal, then you need people like Glorfindel, who have absolutely nothing to do with the story, but who flesh out the world. The movies, however, are just the story, not meant to give a guided tour. Which is why the movies (at least the theatrical cut) never even mention Numenor, where Angmar is supposed to be, what the Undying Lands are; the words 'Valar' and 'Maiar' are also never mentioned; the Istari are just considered wizards, and they are never explained as having come from across the Sea. This all, because for the story, it absolutely does not matter.

And I think asking the movies to be more like the books in that matter would have made for worse movies.

The example of this is the Hobbit-trilogy. Since the succes of the Lord of the Rings-movies, people got really into Middle Earth, and started reading the Silmarillion. Exploring all the neat behind -the-scenes stuff like Gondolin, and the First Age, and Morgoth... And the Hobbit really tried to become a guided tour through the mythos of Middle Earth, even though the Hobbit book was even less connected to the overarching story than Lord of the Rings already was. So you get the pointless Dol Guldur-plotline, or mentions of the Ringwraiths, a Morgul-arrow (somehow fired by an Orc?), Mount Gundabad, the White Council... Bloating it beyond what it was supposed to be. The Hobbit really failed in streamlining where Lord of the Rings was perfect in that regard.

Long story, but basically: stripping Glorfindel of anything was a really good move on Peter Jackson's part.
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