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[Remnants of Exilvania]

Back from my travels. I'm looking to get a post going, but first I'd like to know who's still around?

Hopefully enough of you are still here to continue.

Still around. Thinking of what to do on my next post and if I should send messages to that lizard living nearby.

The more messages, the more things for other players to do, the more activity.

So I am absolutely in favour.

[Arlye Austros]

Still around. Thinking of what to do on my next post and if I should send messages to that lizard living nearby.

The more messages, the more things for other players to do, the more activity.

So I am absolutely in favour.

Indeed. I just need to find the excuse to send the message, but I am confident I can have something laid out in some hours today.

Maybe some "wrapped" orcs could be a nice message.

Also, What became of Aragorn? been thinking about it.

EDIT: I do see he is being sent messages by the dwarves.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

The more messages, the more things for other players to do, the more activity.

So I am absolutely in favour.

Indeed. I just need to find the excuse to send the message, but I am confident I can have something laid out in some hours today.

Maybe some "wrapped" orcs could be a nice message.

Also, What became of Aragorn? been thinking about it.

EDIT: I do see he is being sent messages by the dwarves.

Mhm. I figure that with the Ring never found and the Quest for the Erebor failed, there's likely little reason for him to be outside of Eriador, especcially with Thuringwethil waging war on it during the War of the Ring.

Given that he's Aragorn, he prolly even survived and retreated to the Shire and the Towers of Elostirion.

[Arlye Austros]

Indeed. I just need to find the excuse to send the message, but I am confident I can have something laid out in some hours today.

Maybe some "wrapped" orcs could be a nice message.

Also, What became of Aragorn? been thinking about it.

EDIT: I do see he is being sent messages by the dwarves.

Mhm. I figure that with the Ring never found and the Quest for the Erebor failed, there's likely little reason for him to be outside of Eriador, especcially with Thuringwethil waging war on it during the War of the Ring.

Given that he's Aragorn, he prolly even survived and retreated to the Shire and the Towers of Elostirion.

Yeah I would imagine him in Elostirion if anything.

I am thinking of making a human character without any political power to expand interactions into the neutral/good side. How many years into Sauron's "victory" are we? human characters kinda need human time scales, I reckon.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Mhm. I figure that with the Ring never found and the Quest for the Erebor failed, there's likely little reason for him to be outside of Eriador, especcially with Thuringwethil waging war on it during the War of the Ring.

Given that he's Aragorn, he prolly even survived and retreated to the Shire and the Towers of Elostirion.

Yeah I would imagine him in Elostirion if anything.

I am thinking of making a human character without any political power to expand interactions into the neutral/good side. How many years into Sauron's "victory" are we? human characters kinda need human time scales, I reckon.

An excellent idea! Now as for how far we are into Sauron's victory...uhm...Elerian?

[Elerian]

Mhm. I figure that with the Ring never found and the Quest for the Erebor failed, there's likely little reason for him to be outside of Eriador, especcially with Thuringwethil waging war on it during the War of the Ring.

Given that he's Aragorn, he prolly even survived and retreated to the Shire and the Towers of Elostirion.

Yeah I would imagine him in Elostirion if anything.

I am thinking of making a human character without any political power to expand interactions into the neutral/good side. How many years into Sauron's "victory" are we? human characters kinda need human time scales, I reckon.

Its been a couple months since Sauron's disappearance and roughly a year before that, Gondor and Rohan were defeated.

[Arlye Austros]

Question. What's the current status of the Rohirrim in the Kingdom fo Rohan? I read something like "Theoden sold his people for petty trinkets." Does that mean they are forced to work for Saruman as he deems necessary? Or are they all just dead or expelled in favor of the orcs/Dunlendings?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Question. What's the current status of the Rohirrim in the Kingdom fo Rohan? I read something like "Theoden sold his people for petty trinkets." Does that mean they are forced to work for Saruman as he deems necessary? Or are they all just dead or expelled in favor of the orcs/Dunlendings?

In my view, those who resisted were slaughtered, those who could not work were eaten, those who could work are being worked to death.

[Arlye Austros]

Ok so I made some random characters to add some more interaction. This ones are "technically" vassals to Saruman, so I will be open to changes if Great Confederacy requires them to fit the setting.
In general term a Rohirrim Westfold warrior who hid after the war and his wife of Dunland origin who used her influence to secure some minor safety to their family until the orcs notice and force him and the son to work.

Name: Æfenhere, son of Æschelm

Race: Rohirric Northmen (Helmingas)

Appearance: Æfenhere had long, yellow hair and blue eyes once, like most of the Rohirrim. He has a wide nose and somewhat flat-looking face. His hair, however, has become brittle and grey, and he seems aged, while his eyes have lost their bright.

Role: Angren vale worker. Former Rohirrim warrior.

Motivations: The safety of his family. While he was part of Prince Theodred’s guard in the Westfold, Æfenhere’s spirit is now broken, and his only concern is the safety of his wife and his remaining son.

History: When prince Théodred took seat at Helm’s Deep to face the threat of Saruman, Æfenhere made heed of his lord Erkenbrand, and took to the Hornburg with his eldest son, Æscbald, joining the Prince’s forces in preparation for war. They both fought in the First Battle of the Isen, and the son was amongst those that rode north of the Isen, then pulled back safely. Æfenhere was sent along with the riders of Grimbold to relieve Grimdale. Yet it was a strategy to divert the defenses of the Ford. Théodred had pulled back, and Æscbald was dead on the field. They followed the Prince’s retinue to the Hornburg, but Æfenhere was told to muster levies in the Westfold, having earned the trust of his lord and his sympathy for his loss.
When he returned home and told his wife and remaining son of the events in the War she acted quickly. She knew, through her Dunnish family, that an army from the north now moved to reinforce Isengard, and that going to the Hornburg was suicide. He didn’t listen and gathered a company of footmen and light riders. On his way back his wife begged him to stay. He delayed two days before leaving. Too late he saw the last stand in the Hornburg, and the final defeat of Rohan.
Disgraced and beaten in spirit, Æfenhere told his men to go home, to forget it, and live.

Territory: Their house at the foot of the White Mountains at the Westfold.

Strength: Able rider and capable warrior.

Notable Artifacts:

Name: Étaín the Dunnish

Race: Dunnish Middlemen

Appearance: Étaín has dark-brown hair and grey eyes. She is clearly sprung from the kins of the House of Haleth. However, her stature is outstanding. Her hair is braided and her face, unlike her husband’s tends to seem elongated, while her eyes are somewhat trending towards squinting.

Role: Angren Vale farmer and forester.

Motivations: Her main drive is the safety of her family. Unlike Æfenhere, however, she has used her Dunnish links to avoid the worse of Saruman’s conquest.

History: Through her cousins from the north, Étaín knew what would befall Rohan. She had long feared the war that would come, and in secret kept a correspondence with relatives in her home, which she left to marry a man of Rohan and cement some peace between their people. She had, still, learnt to love that man, and Étaín feared for their survival. The news that Æfenhere brought shattered her heart, as with any other mother. But she knew to act quickly. She begged him to stay, and used every single device at her disposal, even poison to make her husband sleep. Ultimately, Æfenhere left clinging to his horse, and returned some days later a changed man. Étaín wonders ever since if her actions didn’t kill her husband beyond dead itself, as he has become a husk of the man he used to be. She has made sure the command Æfenhere was given and the trust he earned were kept a secret to the Dunlending mercenaries and chieftains that occupied the lands between the Isen and the Adorn, the latter not far from their home. Words exchanged in her language and some common acquaintances have been enough to keep the family safe, to a point.

Strength: Able with the bow and spear. Well-versed in herbs and their uses. Can speak Westron, Rohirric and Dunnish.

Name: Snawhelm, son of Æfenhere

Race: Rohirric Northmen

Appearance: Though barely a man, Snawhelm’s face resembles his father’s. His nose is wide and his eyes are blue. It is, however, not flat, like Æfenhere’s, but somewhat like his mother and late brother. His hair is between golden and silver, hence his name little after birth. His skin is also rather pale and has kept freckles, clearly born from her mother’s people. He keeps his hair short, though it would trend to be curly if left unchecked.

Role: Hunter and worker in the Angren Vale.

Motivations: Snawhelm’s only current motivation is survival, but, unlike his father, isn’t broken, and may very well become something else entirely.

History: If knowing that his brother died and that the war was lost entirely was bad already for the boy, Snawhelm could barely stand his father’s withering in front of his eyes. Had he been allowed, Snawhelm would have gone to war too, and died there as well. But his father insisted he had to stay and take care of his mother. Æscbald had asked for that too, and that convinced him to stay. Now that promise haunted him. He wanted to crumble like father was, but he couldn’t. He had to defend his mother and his father now. Étaín’s contacts and letters allowed them some respite from Saruman’s orcs. The family was largely left alone, with some Dunnish warriors coming to demand some tribute. Étaín would often calm them down before setting them in a table and giving them meat that her son had hunted, along with some mead her man had stored.
It was in one of those visits, the second, that they advised Étaín that the orcs demanded workers. Snawhelm protested, but he had no choice. He left with them along with his father, and they toiled in the furnaces of the orcs for a week. The Dunnish warriors kept close eye on them, and ensured their release after an exhausting service moving coal and timber in a camp near the Isen, two days from home. The second time, under his mother’s suggestion, he earned some better treatment by providing some game he caught with his bow. Less time near orcs was better than all the time. The third time the orcs demanded more meat and he earned a whipping. Luckily his father wasn’t around. Since then Snawhelm has been able to be somewhat safe, always bringing meat for orcs and men at the camp and being released along with his father after some days of hard labour. Yet they are unlikely to resist much more now.

Territory: None

Strength: Skilled bowman and hunter. Able rider.

Notable Artifacts: A bow once brought by his father when serving Grimbold years before the War.

[Lindon-Rivendell]

Ok so I made some random characters to add some more interaction. This ones are "technically" vassals to Saruman, so I will be open to changes if Great Confederacy requires them to fit the setting.
In general term a Rohirrim Westfold warrior who hid after the war and his wife of Dunland origin who used her influence to secure some minor safety to their family until the orcs notice and force him and the son to work.

[spoiler= why'd you have to make it soooo long?]

Name: Æfenhere, son of Æschelm

Race: Rohirric Northmen (Helmingas)

Appearance: Æfenhere had long, yellow hair and blue eyes once, like most of the Rohirrim. He has a wide nose and somewhat flat-looking face. His hair, however, has become brittle and grey, and he seems aged, while his eyes have lost their bright.

Role: Angren vale worker. Former Rohirrim warrior.

Motivations: The safety of his family. While he was part of Prince Theodred’s guard in the Westfold, Æfenhere’s spirit is now broken, and his only concern is the safety of his wife and his remaining son.

History: When prince Théodred took seat at Helm’s Deep to face the threat of Saruman, Æfenhere made heed of his lord Erkenbrand, and took to the Hornburg with his eldest son, Æscbald, joining the Prince’s forces in preparation for war. They both fought in the First Battle of the Isen, and the son was amongst those that rode north of the Isen, then pulled back safely. Æfenhere was sent along with the riders of Grimbold to relieve Grimdale. Yet it was a strategy to divert the defenses of the Ford. Théodred had pulled back, and Æscbald was dead on the field. They followed the Prince’s retinue to the Hornburg, but Æfenhere was told to muster levies in the Westfold, having earned the trust of his lord and his sympathy for his loss.
When he returned home and told his wife and remaining son of the events in the War she acted quickly. She knew, through her Dunnish family, that an army from the north now moved to reinforce Isengard, and that going to the Hornburg was suicide. He didn’t listen and gathered a company of footmen and light riders. On his way back his wife begged him to stay. He delayed two days before leaving. Too late he saw the last stand in the Hornburg, and the final defeat of Rohan.
Disgraced and beaten in spirit, Æfenhere told his men to go home, to forget it, and live.

Territory: Their house at the foot of the White Mountains at the Westfold.

Strength: Able rider and capable warrior.

Notable Artifacts:

Name: Étaín the Dunnish

Race: Dunnish Middlemen

Appearance: Étaín has dark-brown hair and grey eyes. She is clearly sprung from the kins of the House of Haleth. However, her stature is outstanding. Her hair is braided and her face, unlike her husband’s tends to seem elongated, while her eyes are somewhat trending towards squinting.

Role: Angren Vale farmer and forester.

Motivations: Her main drive is the safety of her family. Unlike Æfenhere, however, she has used her Dunnish links to avoid the worse of Saruman’s conquest.

History: Through her cousins from the north, Étaín knew what would befall Rohan. She had long feared the war that would come, and in secret kept a correspondence with relatives in her home, which she left to marry a man of Rohan and cement some peace between their people. She had, still, learnt to love that man, and Étaín feared for their survival. The news that Æfenhere brought shattered her heart, as with any other mother. But she knew to act quickly. She begged him to stay, and used every single device at her disposal, even poison to make her husband sleep. Ultimately, Æfenhere left clinging to his horse, and returned some days later a changed man. Étaín wonders ever since if her actions didn’t kill her husband beyond dead itself, as he has become a husk of the man he used to be. She has made sure the command Æfenhere was given and the trust he earned were kept a secret to the Dunlending mercenaries and chieftains that occupied the lands between the Isen and the Adorn, the latter not far from their home. Words exchanged in her language and some common acquaintances have been enough to keep the family safe, to a point.

Strength: Able with the bow and spear. Well-versed in herbs and their uses. Can speak Westron, Rohirric and Dunnish.

Name: Snawhelm, son of Æfenhere

Race: Rohirric Northmen

Appearance: Though barely a man, Snawhelm’s face resembles his father’s. His nose is wide and his eyes are blue. It is, however, not flat, like Æfenhere’s, but somewhat like his mother and late brother. His hair is between golden and silver, hence his name little after birth. His skin is also rather pale and has kept freckles, clearly born from her mother’s people. He keeps his hair short, though it would trend to be curly if left unchecked.

Role: Hunter and worker in the Angren Vale.

Motivations: Snawhelm’s only current motivation is survival, but, unlike his father, isn’t broken, and may very well become something else entirely.

History: If knowing that his brother died and that the war was lost entirely was bad already for the boy, Snawhelm could barely stand his father’s withering in front of his eyes. Had he been allowed, Snawhelm would have gone to war too, and died there as well. But his father insisted he had to stay and take care of his mother. Æscbald had asked for that too, and that convinced him to stay. Now that promise haunted him. He wanted to crumble like father was, but he couldn’t. He had to defend his mother and his father now. Étaín’s contacts and letters allowed them some respite from Saruman’s orcs. The family was largely left alone, with some Dunnish warriors coming to demand some tribute. Étaín would often calm them down before setting them in a table and giving them meat that her son had hunted, along with some mead her man had stored.
It was in one of those visits, the second, that they advised Étaín that the orcs demanded workers. Snawhelm protested, but he had no choice. He left with them along with his father, and they toiled in the furnaces of the orcs for a week. The Dunnish warriors kept close eye on them, and ensured their release after an exhausting service moving coal and timber in a camp near the Isen, two days from home. The second time, under his mother’s suggestion, he earned some better treatment by providing some game he caught with his bow. Less time near orcs was better than all the time. The third time the orcs demanded more meat and he earned a whipping. Luckily his father wasn’t around. Since then Snawhelm has been able to be somewhat safe, always bringing meat for orcs and men at the camp and being released along with his father after some days of hard labour. Yet they are unlikely to resist much more now.

Territory: None

Strength: Skilled bowman and hunter. Able rider.

Notable Artifacts: A bow once brought by his father when serving Grimbold years before the War.

[/spoiler]

Oooooh, looks good

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Ok so I made some random characters to add some more interaction. This ones are "technically" vassals to Saruman, so I will be open to changes if Great Confederacy requires them to fit the setting.
In general term a Rohirrim Westfold warrior who hid after the war and his wife of Dunland origin who used her influence to secure some minor safety to their family until the orcs notice and force him and the son to work.

Mhm, nice apps. I assume the general idea would then be to escape and try to make their way northwards?

[Arlye Austros]

Ok so I made some random characters to add some more interaction. This ones are "technically" vassals to Saruman, so I will be open to changes if Great Confederacy requires them to fit the setting.
In general term a Rohirrim Westfold warrior who hid after the war and his wife of Dunland origin who used her influence to secure some minor safety to their family until the orcs notice and force him and the son to work.

Mhm, nice apps. I assume the general idea would then be to escape and try to make their way northwards?

Pretty much, yeah. See if there is anything left of Eriador at this point.

[Ezmwalia]

Name: Faramir, son of Denethor II
Race: Man of Gondor
Appearance:

Role:

Faramir, son of Denethor II, titular ruling Steward of Gondor. In actuality, Faramir acts solely as the leader of a group of Gondorian refugees, as well as the Ithilien Rangers who helped shepherd the remaining Men of Gondor away from roving bands of orcs and other minions of Sauron.

Motivations:

The group of Gondorians under Faramir's care are his main priority. Faramir in this timeline is a much bleaker figure, believing little in the strength of men or the free peoples of Middle Earth, and does not currently wish to endanger his people any more than he has to. As such, he doesn't care about fighting for any cause other than the direct defence of his people.

History:

Boromir and Faramir were tasked with the defence of Osgiliath, but despite their best efforts, the city fell into Sauron's hands. What remained of their army returned to Minas Tirith, and the brothers petitioned their father to evacuate the city and allow for Gondor's forces to regroup. Denethor had already evacuated the elderly, the women and the children from Osgiliath, and while using his Palantír never corrupted him as it had done for Saruman, Denethor had become bitter, and yet more bitter as Osgiliath lay burning in the path of Mordor's war machine. Denethor responded, "let the women and children take up arms for their city. Let us see if their love for it is greater than that of my own sons". Both Faramir and Boromir's nerves were steeled by these words, wishing not to disappoint their father, and they participated in the futile defence of Minas Tirith. As Grond battered at the gates, and Denethor grew yet more paranoid, the brothers realised that all was lost. Faramir gathered the rest of his Ithilien Rangers and instructed them to collect people and prepare to send them through the mountains to safety, while Boromir moved to find his father and some important artefacts, including the Anor-stone, the Palantír of Denethor, and the rod that acted as the badge of office of the Steward of Gondor. However, as he collected the Anor-stone, Boromir saw a vision of Gondor in flames, of all men butchered at the hands of orcs, of he, his brother, and his father lying crumpled under the boot of a now-corporeal Sauron. Boromir knew he could not have the Palantír in his presence, but that his brother might be able to resist its effects. He found a still-standing Fountain Guard, instructing him to find Faramir and bring him those artefacts, and to protect his brother with his life. Boromir was last seen returning to the throne room to make a supposed final stand with Denethor.

The Men of Gondor, led by Faramir, escaped through a secret network of tunnels not known to most in the walls of Minas Tirith, out into the Ered Nimrais. A hard slog followed, with little progress made each day and with small, mostly noncommital bands of orcs harrassing them. The existence of this group of Gondorians, some men, some women, some children, protected by rangers and a single Fountain Guard, is obscured to most of the dark overlords of the West. Finally stopping to make camp for a short while, the men of Gondor agree that Faramir should be, even if only in name, the new Steward of Gondor. The Fountain Guard assigned by Boromir to his protection, a man named Tircallon, also known as 'the Last Guardian of Gondor', now acts as Faramir's sworn protection and bodyguard. The Gondorians act as a nomadic group, still based within the Ered Nimrais, though wishing to move further west, with the intention of finding a safe haven for themselves to settle until they can reclaim Gondor in the future. Faramir doesn't hold much hope for this, secretly, but wishes to keep morale high in the group by maintaining that this is the ultimate plan. He also has, as of yet, refused to gaze into the Anor-stone. Tircallon had described Boromir's state to him, which has caused him to fear the stone greatly, but also to question whether it would even have any use, with darkness now covering the land and resistance seeming hopeless.

Territory:

Faramir and his Gondorian refugees do not control any land, but they currently reside within Ered Nimrais, the White Mountains of Gondor.

Strength:

100 Ithilien rangers, 600 assorted Gondorians (if these numbers are in any way "off", I will gladly change them), strong-minded, hardened by the great difficulties befalling his people, and a decent fighter, with his elite troops by his side.

Notable Artifacts:

The rod of the Steward's office, the Anor-stone Palantír

[Elerian]

Ok so I made some random characters to add some more interaction. This ones are "technically" vassals to Saruman, so I will be open to changes if Great Confederacy requires them to fit the setting.
In general term a Rohirrim Westfold warrior who hid after the war and his wife of Dunland origin who used her influence to secure some minor safety to their family until the orcs notice and force him and the son to work.

Looks good to me so long as GCCS doesn't have any reservations.

-Snip-

I'll have to have you lower the count of soldiers Faramir has under his command, especially the Rangers. 100-150 Rangers would be far more sensible, but the assorted Gondorians is perfectly fine. Otherwise, besides some minor grammar mistakes everything looked great!

[Ezmwalia]

-Snip-

I'll have to have you lower the count of soldiers Faramir has under his command, especially the Rangers. 100-150 Rangers would be far more sensible, but the assorted Gondorians is perfectly fine. Otherwise, besides some minor grammar mistakes everything looked great!

Done so. As for the grammar mistakes, apologies, and I'm hoping it won't happen again.

[Lindon-Rivendell]

I'll have to have you lower the count of soldiers Faramir has under his command, especially the Rangers. 100-150 Rangers would be far more sensible, but the assorted Gondorians is perfectly fine. Otherwise, besides some minor grammar mistakes everything looked great!

Done so. As for the grammar mistakes, apologies, and I'm hoping it won't happen again.

Sorry for interupting but where exactly in the white mountains? if the western part, im okay with it, but if eastern, id have to move you, because i occupy a large portion of gondor.

[Ezmwalia]

Done so. As for the grammar mistakes, apologies, and I'm hoping it won't happen again.

Sorry for interupting but where exactly in the white mountains? if the western part, im okay with it, but if eastern, id have to move you, because i occupy a large portion of gondor.

My thoughts were that the group would have been gradually tracking westwards since the fall of Minas Tirith, largely just fleeing from the occupiers, so it's most definitely conceivable that they'd be in the western portion of the mountains.

[Lindon-Rivendell]

Sorry for interupting but where exactly in the white mountains? if the western part, im okay with it, but if eastern, id have to move you, because i occupy a large portion of gondor.

My thoughts were that the group would have been gradually tracking westwards since the fall of Minas Tirith, largely just fleeing from the occupiers, so it's most definitely conceivable that they'd be in the western portion of the mountains.

Makes sense and is compilant with everyone i guess.

[Lindon-Rivendell]

1= Gimli
2= Thuringwethill
3=Witch king of Angmar
4= Durin's Bane
5= Smaug
6= The Blue Wizards
7= Finithralen (Also Accidentaly Galadriel)
8= Saruman (Also kinda Æfenhere, Étaín, and Snawhelm)
9= Faramir and Boromir
10= Me (AKA Lokhúr)

[Tracian Empire]

I might be wrong, but I do not remember Lokhúr being accepted in any official manner

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I might be wrong, but I do not remember Lokhúr being accepted in any official manner

I might be wrong too but I think you are quite right.

(Image)
1= Gimli
2= Thuringwethill
3=Witch king of Angmar
4= Durin's Bane
5= Smaug
6= The Blue Wizards
7= Finithralen (Also Accidentaly Galadriel)
8= Saruman (Also kinda Æfenhere, Étaín, and Snawhelm)
9= Faramir and Boromir
10= Me (AKA Lokhúr)

As much as your motivation is appreciated, this is starting to go way too far.

I'll wait for Elerian's verdict on the other things but concerning this map, I would just like to know where you are taking your information from? Because there's a number of things that don't match up with established and accepted apps.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Ok so I made some random characters to add some more interaction. This ones are "technically" vassals to Saruman, so I will be open to changes if Great Confederacy requires them to fit the setting.
In general term a Rohirrim Westfold warrior who hid after the war and his wife of Dunland origin who used her influence to secure some minor safety to their family until the orcs notice and force him and the son to work.

Looks good to me so long as GCCS doesn't have any reservations.

-Snip-

I'll have to have you lower the count of soldiers Faramir has under his command, especially the Rangers. 100-150 Rangers would be far more sensible, but the assorted Gondorians is perfectly fine. Otherwise, besides some minor grammar mistakes everything looked great!

No reservations from me!

[Arlye Austros]

Looks good to me so long as GCCS doesn't have any reservations.

No reservations from me!

Great! I might add something on them over my last post.

[Elerian]

-Snip-

I don't know what the reasoning behind posting in the IC without first being accepted was, I'll assume you forgot. However, your posts both ICly and OOCly haven't up to the quality I had envisioned for the RP. I would appreciate it if you would remove your post from the IC, and cease posing in the OOC.

[Ezmwalia]

Can I just ask - the men of Gondor who didn't escape with Faramir, they would be enslaved to the former forces of Sauron, correct?