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by Lindon-Rivendell » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:37 am
by Remnants of Exilvania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:38 am
Elerian wrote:Nice to see many of you are still here. I put up the IC, although it doesn't have the starting events like I had hoped, I should have those up soon.
Here's the link, enjoy!
by Tracian Empire » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:04 am
by Remnants of Exilvania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:01 am
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Name:Lokhúr Mezgheter
Tracian Empire wrote:My app should be complete
by Elerian » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:37 pm
Tracian Empire wrote:-Snip-
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:-Snip-
by Lindon-Rivendell » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:57 am
Elerian wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:-Snip-
Glad to see you made it Tracian, accepted.Lindon-Rivendell wrote:-Snip-
While I like the general idea, I'm going to have to agree with Exil on his points he raised with your app. In addition to that though, I don't know what Durnor or Gulduril is supposed to be, so some clarification there is in order.
by Lindon-Rivendell » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:07 am
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Name:Lokhúr Mezgheter
Judgement is of course up to Elerian but some things I can see:
-Durin's Bane would likely never gift Mithril to something as insignificant to him as Lokhur. If you require Mithril, I believe it was stated in the books that Moria was raided multiple times and much of its Mithril carted off to the Dark Lord of Mordor.
-Harondor was already occupied/annexed by Harad before the War of the Ring. If you require more territory, you could probably grab more of Gondor all the way to Anfalas.
-there is no reason for you to have orcs from Moria and Gundabad all the way down in Dol Amroth.
-if you want, you can probably have notably higher numbers of troopsTracian Empire wrote:My app should be complete
Excellent! The northwest is getting spicy!
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:35 am
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Judgement is of course up to Elerian but some things I can see:
-Durin's Bane would likely never gift Mithril to something as insignificant to him as Lokhur. If you require Mithril, I believe it was stated in the books that Moria was raided multiple times and much of its Mithril carted off to the Dark Lord of Mordor.
-Harondor was already occupied/annexed by Harad before the War of the Ring. If you require more territory, you could probably grab more of Gondor all the way to Anfalas.
-there is no reason for you to have orcs from Moria and Gundabad all the way down in Dol Amroth.
-if you want, you can probably have notably higher numbers of troops
Excellent! The northwest is getting spicy!
-Fixed, Sauron gave him some!
-Harondor was always mine, im just admitting it, i'm rather gonna expand into harad, dont wanna pi*s off saruman
-fixed
-fixed
by Remnants of Exilvania » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:58 am
by Arlye Austros » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:46 am
by Elerian » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:56 pm
Arlye Austros wrote:Added the Mordor Brood. Still I think I will have to work on sizes and numbers.
Note that the Crack-feeders are just larvae and not really combatants.
by Lindon-Rivendell » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:04 am
by Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:02 am
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Durnor and Gulduril are two types of Mordorian crystals, which can be forged into metal parts and give them magical effects.
Arlye Austros wrote:Added the Mordor Brood. Still I think I will have to work on sizes and numbers.
Note that the Crack-feeders are just larvae and not really combatants.
by Lindon-Rivendell » Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:16 am
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Durnor and Gulduril are two types of Mordorian crystals, which can be forged into metal parts and give them magical effects.
Could you perhaps define said magical effects? From what I could find on a Minecraft Wikipedia, both are made up by a Mod team, one is simply Mordor Coal and the other is supposedly Morgul Blade material.
Putting aside the dubious nature of these materials, you can't just mash together any material to create something new and fictional that actually works. Some materials don't mix IRL, others don't mix well. Like, maybe a mixture of this Gulduril and Mithril creates an extremely brittle, dull material? Maybe they cancel out their magical properties? Etc. What magical properties were you even thinking of for that sword? That it is light and unbreakable (Mithril)? That it breaks apart inside its victims and turns them into wraiths (Gulduril)? You see, these already directly contradict each other. Maybe you should just go with something more regular? A steel sword perhaps with some enchantments and a smaller Morgul Blade to back him up? Or a Mithril one ,albeit it seems like a waste since I have only heard of its protective abilities rather than any particularly great cutting abilities (a lighter sword without better cutting ability is actually kinda counterproductive I think, since weight does matter in striking)? Perhaps an Obsidian sword from old Numenor (I think Orthanc might be from Obsidian and Greedfall did some cool stuff with making the natives' weapons be all Obsidian based so something could probably be done there)?
by Order of Maesters » Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:43 pm
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:10 pm
Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?
If so, I would love to apply as him.
by Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:12 pm
Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?
If so, I would love to apply as him.
by Order of Maesters » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:16 pm
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?
If so, I would love to apply as him.
I do consider them the same, simply because that would make him the single most badass character in all of Tolkien's writings.
Although we should be careful, because the Legolas Greenleaf from Gondolin is definitely not the same Legolas Greenleaf as the one in Lord of the Rings.
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?
If so, I would love to apply as him.
I know he died.
The Lord of the Rings main trilogy doesn't exactly mention if or why or how he is the same but the wikis do say this:Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381
Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[1]:381-382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[4] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron.[1]:382 He may have played a prominent behind-the-scenes role in the war in Eriador and the other struggles of the Second Age and Third Age. His part, though great, was mostly overlooked by the histories, because his immense, angelic power was not usually displayed openly.
As Lord of the Grey Havens then I assume?
At any rate what at first sight may seem the simplest solution must be abandoned: sc. that we have merely a reduplication of names, and that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell were different persons. This repetition of so striking a name, though possible, would not be credible... Also it may be found that acceptance of the identity of Glorfindel of old and of the Third Age will actually explain what is said of him and improve the story...
[...]
...After his purging of any guilt that he had incurred in the rebellion, he was released from Mandos, and Manwë restored him...
[...]
We may then best suppose that Glorfindel returned during the Second Age, before the ‘shadow’ fell on Numenor - Last Writings, page 380-82
by Lindon-Rivendell » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:05 am
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?
If so, I would love to apply as him.
I know he died.
The Lord of the Rings main trilogy doesn't exactly mention if or why or how he is the same but the wikis do say this:Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381
Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[1]:381-382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[4] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron.[1]:382 He may have played a prominent behind-the-scenes role in the war in Eriador and the other struggles of the Second Age and Third Age. His part, though great, was mostly overlooked by the histories, because his immense, angelic power was not usually displayed openly.
As Lord of the Grey Havens then I assume?
by Lindon-Rivendell » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:09 am
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Remnants of Exilvania wrote:I know he died.
The Lord of the Rings main trilogy doesn't exactly mention if or why or how he is the same but the wikis do say this:Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381
Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[1]:381-382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[4] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron.[1]:382 He may have played a prominent behind-the-scenes role in the war in Eriador and the other struggles of the Second Age and Third Age. His part, though great, was mostly overlooked by the histories, because his immense, angelic power was not usually displayed openly.
As Lord of the Grey Havens then I assume?
Glorfindel was ressurected after all and became the glorfindel of rivendell, in retirement
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:40 am
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Glorfindel was ressurected after all and became the glorfindel of rivendell, in retirement
But I'd rather not play as him, because hes a good guy and the only main good guy is galadriel.
It'll be hard to play as a goodie in the world of baddies, i know that because i tried to be elrond.
My advise is to choose a nazgul. so op. but you dont have to do that, you can be glorfindel anyways, its just my experience.
BTW Why did they choose to rip him out completly out of Peter jackson's Lotr?
Btw i know he appeared a few times, but no lines and a bad choose of actor to portray the badass man
by Remnants of Exilvania » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:25 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Lindon-Rivendell wrote:But I'd rather not play as him, because hes a good guy and the only main good guy is galadriel.
It'll be hard to play as a goodie in the world of baddies, i know that because i tried to be elrond.
My advise is to choose a nazgul. so op. but you dont have to do that, you can be glorfindel anyways, its just my experience.
BTW Why did they choose to rip him out completly out of Peter jackson's Lotr?
Btw i know he appeared a few times, but no lines and a bad choose of actor to portray the badass man
It would have taken too long to set him up, only to have him disappear from the story. Arwen lacked a lot of development in the books, so they gave his bits to her, a good choice in my opinion.
Order of Maesters wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I do consider them the same, simply because that would make him the single most badass character in all of Tolkien's writings.
Although we should be careful, because the Legolas Greenleaf from Gondolin is definitely not the same Legolas Greenleaf as the one in Lord of the Rings.
Likewise, ever since 12 year old me read about Glorfindel driving the Nazgul into the Bruinen, I knew he was my favourite character.Remnants of Exilvania wrote:I know he died.
The Lord of the Rings main trilogy doesn't exactly mention if or why or how he is the same but the wikis do say this:Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381
Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[1]:381-382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[4] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron.[1]:382 He may have played a prominent behind-the-scenes role in the war in Eriador and the other struggles of the Second Age and Third Age. His part, though great, was mostly overlooked by the histories, because his immense, angelic power was not usually displayed openly.
As Lord of the Grey Havens then I assume?
There has been a lot of debate surrounding him; Tolkien's writings however seem to conclude that they were in fact the same character.At any rate what at first sight may seem the simplest solution must be abandoned: sc. that we have merely a reduplication of names, and that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell were different persons. This repetition of so striking a name, though possible, would not be credible... Also it may be found that acceptance of the identity of Glorfindel of old and of the Third Age will actually explain what is said of him and improve the story...
[...]
...After his purging of any guilt that he had incurred in the rebellion, he was released from Mandos, and Manwë restored him...
[...]
We may then best suppose that Glorfindel returned during the Second Age, before the ‘shadow’ fell on Numenor - Last Writings, page 380-82
This would make sense to me largely because of the power he is implied to have withing Fellowship. Were I to play him I suppose if would be as a leader of what Noldor remain in Eriador and Lindon. I am not sure how he would best fit into the RP as of yet.
by Elerian » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:51 pm
Order of Maesters wrote:At the risk of opening a debate, are you all considering Glorfindel of Gondolin to be one in the same as Glorfindel of Rivendell?
If so, I would love to apply as him.
by Lindon-Rivendell » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:38 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Lindon-Rivendell wrote:But I'd rather not play as him, because hes a good guy and the only main good guy is galadriel.
It'll be hard to play as a goodie in the world of baddies, i know that because i tried to be elrond.
My advise is to choose a nazgul. so op. but you dont have to do that, you can be glorfindel anyways, its just my experience.
BTW Why did they choose to rip him out completly out of Peter jackson's Lotr?
Btw i know he appeared a few times, but no lines and a bad choose of actor to portray the badass man
It would have taken too long to set him up, only to have him disappear from the story. Arwen lacked a lot of development in the books, so they gave his bits to her, a good choice in my opinion.
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:47 am
Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:It would have taken too long to set him up, only to have him disappear from the story. Arwen lacked a lot of development in the books, so they gave his bits to her, a good choice in my opinion.
yeah, but NO LINES?
That's a liiitlle much.
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