1812: Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC-DEAD]

[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: Principality of Seminola
Territory: Florida
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Reservation accepted

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Reservation

Nation Name: Empire of Poland-Wallachia
Territory:
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[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: Empire of Poland-Wallachia
Territory:(Image)
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[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Hey NSCR-man you wanna talk about this whole deluge thing.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Hey NSCR-man you wanna talk about this whole deluge thing.

What about it? What's your idea for it happening/not happening?

also does like nobody read my sig

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Hey NSCR-man you wanna talk about this whole deluge thing.

What about it? What's your idea for it happening/not happening?

also does like nobody read my sig

Do your people do stuff in Poland? All I'm seeing is an invasion of the Baltics as well as fighting with the Teutonic Order.
perhaps

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Do your people do stuff in Poland? All I'm seeing is an invasion of the Baltics as well as fighting with the Teutonic Order.
perhaps

Poland-Lithuania was historically fairly religiously tolerant, no? It doesn't seem unlikely that Krakow and Warszawa might host some of the larger Scandinavian-speaking communities of Christian Europe. I imagine relations are fairly good on both sides and have been for some time, honestly.

Compared to OTL Sweden, my Scandinavia wasn't all that interested in Eastern European military adventures.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Wonder if I can use this anytime soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLkkUfLJQmQ

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Do your people do stuff in Poland? All I'm seeing is an invasion of the Baltics as well as fighting with the Teutonic Order.
perhaps

Poland-Lithuania was historically fairly religiously tolerant, no? It doesn't seem unlikely that Krakow and Warszawa might host some of the larger Scandinavian-speaking communities of Christian Europe. I imagine relations are fairly good on both sides and have been for some time, honestly.

Compared to OTL Sweden, my Scandinavia wasn't all that interested in Eastern European military adventures.

Alright, I see.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

IC post up, with a short blurb on Hyperborean-Novgorodian relations. The Commonwealth is starting to poke a little at Novgorod and try and see what they think about this mess developing in Western Europe.

I described two fairly closely integrated societies, connected with each other through legacy social institutions in the Baltic zemlę that the Scandinavians left behind when the Novgorodians conquered the area. Danubian Peoples, let me know if there is anything in this description that you don't find acceptable, and I'll get it changed.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLkkUfLJQmQ

The theme of the Commonwealth in Hyperborea. We see all and are seen by none. We hear all and are heard by none.

Although I'd really like someone to approach me with a plot idea that plays on the Commonwealth's strength in espionage/intelligence. >_>;; I don't want to step on any toes by raising spy-related shenanigans in other players' countries without consulting them OOC first. Covert operations is supposed to be one of this Commonwealth's two specialities (the other one being naval power), but I've yet to do anything interesting with it in the IC thread.

[Tracian Empire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLkkUfLJQmQ

The theme of the Commonwealth in Hyperborea. We see all and are seen by none. We hear all and are heard by none.

Although I'd really like someone to approach me with a plot idea that plays on the Commonwealth's strength in espionage/intelligence. >_>;; I don't want to step on any toes by raising spy-related shenanigans in other players' countries without consulting them OOC first. Covert operations is supposed to be one of this Commonwealth's two specialities (the other one being naval power), but I've yet to do anything interesting with it in the IC thread.

I have been thinking about doing something somewhere in the ERE like I said, but I'm still not sure about what to practically do, since I don't want to necessarily break the knees of my own intelligence agency.

So the rough idea that I had in mind would involve the Messengers cooperating with the Commonwealth against an internal Roman organization, but I have to yet think about it practically

[Deblar]

Full Nation Name : Republic of Florida
Majority/Official Culture : Blend of Hispanic and American culture
Territorial Core : The Floridian peninsula
Territorial Claim : The entirety of old Spanish claims on Florida up to the Mississippi River
Capital City : St. Augustine, Florida
Population : 946,040 (1,758,740 including slaves, free blacks, and Native Americans)
Flag:

Government Type : Federal Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : After winning independence, Florida had remained isolationist prior to the election of Diego De la Rosa. While campaigning, De la Rosa used the promise of increased diplomacy with European and Asian nations as a pillar of his campaign. After winning he election, recently elected De la Rosa plans to not waste any time implementing his agenda.
Government Focus : The De la Rosa administration plans to broaden diplomatic relations with European and Asian nations, as well as engage itself more in international trade and to grow the economy so that it is not so dependent on agriculture as it currently is.
Head of State : Diego De la Rosa
Head of Government : Diego De la Rosa
Government Description : The Floridian government is based on the IRL American government, with three branches of government. There are a few differences, such as there is only one house of legislature and the Supreme Court is made up of elected officials rather than appointed judges.

The Executive Branch is made up of the Office of the President, the Office of the Vice President, and each of the different ministries, which function like the IRL American system.

The Legislative Branch is made up of a singular house of legislature, the Senate, which is made up of 2 representatives from each of Florida’s 16 districts (or states), plus a representative from each Native American tribe living in Florida.

The Judicial Branch is made up of courts of different levels of jurisdiction and power, those being local level courts, district level courts, lesser federal courts, and the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court of Florida is made up of a body of 7 different officials who are elected into their seats by the people rather than appointed by the President. These officials are usually people with experience in the criminal justice system, such as lawyers, prosecutors, and judges.

Majority/State Religion :Christianity
Religious Description :[/b] Florida is 73% Protestant , with the rest of the Christian population falling under Roman Catholicism. Other religions include Atheism and voodoo.

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Oranges, Cattle, Cotton, Sugar, etc.
Economic Description : Florida’s economy is mostly dependent on agriculture, as there are little factories(only two on the whole country) and they engage in little international trade. President Diego De la Rosa plans to change this by increasing international trade with the Federal Enclave to the north and Europe, as well as beginning to industrialize. Knowing that industrializing will be difficult, to say the least, without a foreign backer, De la Rosa also plans on gaining one as part of his extensive foreign policy agenda.

Florida’s agriculture industry makes up nearly 57% of Florida’s GDP, with many farms and plantations covering up most of the Florida countryside. These farms, which are owned by the local countrymen and mainly grow oranges, peaches, cotton, and sugarcane, use paid hands and are not as dependent on slave labor as they used to be. The plantations, which are owned by the rich from the cities, still use slave labor, despite the fact that they generate enough profit to hire paid hands and still make a decent amount of money. However , despite Florida’s lessening reliance on slave labor, these rich plantation owners refuse to free their slaves, which is a controversial issue the De la Rosa administration will have to face over the next four years.

Meanwhile, Florida hardly engages in any foreign trade, taking in very little imports and not exporting any goods at all, which considering the large agricultural output, exporting excess goods is an untapped gold mine for the Floridian economy. Diego De la Rosa knows this, and plans to negotiate trade agreements with European nations and with the Federal Enclave to the north.

As for Florida’s industry, it’s almost nonexistent. There are only two active factories in Florida, and all they produce is farming equipment which is almost immediately sent to the farms and plantations. Once a foreign financial backer is secured, Diego De la Rosa plans to open the outskirts and unused portion of the cities to factory construction. These hypothetical new factories would produce refined goods, construction supplies such as steel, and new weapons to be used by the military, such as guns and cannons.

Development: Pre-Industrial
Development Description : Florida’s industry is almost nonexistent. There are only two active factories in Florida, and all they produce is farming equipment which is almost immediately sent to the farms and plantations. Once a foreign financial backer is secured, Diego De la Rosa plans to open the outskirts and unused portion of the cities to factory construction. These hypothetical new factories would produce refined goods, construction supplies such as steel, and new weapons to be used by the military, such as guns and cannons.

Army Description : After the Floridian Revolution, the Revolutionary Militia, the forces of the rebels, was reorganized into the Floridian Army. The army, made up of only 20,000 troops, is divided into 10 infantry brigades of 2,000 troops each. The president appoints Lieutenant Generals in charge of the different brigades, usually based experience and how well they train their troops.
Army Weakness : While the Army is relatively well trained, it consists only of infantry units, with no real Calvary or Artillery (as in cannon) divisions. The Army is also untested in combat, and forced to use old and unreliable muskets that can be more than 50 years old.
Naval Description : After the Floridian Revolution, Benjamin Fredrickson officially created the Floridian Navy, consisting of 5 Naval Brigades of 5 ships each. Like the Army Brigades , the Naval Brigades are led by Lieutenant Generals, usually based on experience and training ability
Naval Weakness : The Navy, like the Army, is untested in combat, as it is primarily used to regulate domestic trade going through Floridian waters and to protect against buccaneers. It’s also not very large
Further Military Description : Both Branches are pretty small and underfunded. The military is forced to use Revolution-era equipment, which is pretty outdated, and with little funding, they cannot afford to improve the equipment. President Diego De la Rosa has remained open to increasing military funding, but doing so is not his top priority.

National Goals : Florida wishes to establish itself on the global stage, grow its economy, continue its survival, and increase communication and diplomacy with European and Asian nations.
National Issues : Lacks international relations; economy and industry underdeveloped; slavery a widely talked about issue; small size, which will become more of a problem as the population continues to grow; while they have signed numerous treaties with Native Americans respecting their sovereignty and giving them somewhat of a voice in government, not everyone agrees with these treaties
National Figures of Interest : Ponce de Leon is seen as a Christopher Columbus like figure and can be seen on the $5 banknote, and revolutionary leader and first president of Florida, Benjamin Fredrickson, is seen as a George Washington like figure and the father of Florida. He can be seen on the $1 banknote.
National Ambition/Aspirations : In an initiative started by President Diego De la Rosa, Florida will begin to establish concrete relations with European and Asian powers.

History :
Early Colonial Period

In 1513, Florida was discovered by Hispanic explorer Juan Ponce de Leon, who named the newly discovered land La Florida. Upon discovery, he and his band of conquistadors landed ashore and claimed the land for Hispania.


In the following decades, the Hispanics attempted to establish a settlement in the area, with little success until 1565, when St. Augustine was founded. The Hispanics maintained strategic control over the area by converting local tribes to Christianity. Some Hispanics married or had unions with Native American and African women, enslaved and free, and their descendants created a mixed race population of mestizos and mulattos. The Hispanics encouraged escaped slaves from the thirteen colonies to come to Florida, where they would be freed. As such, many came.

There geographical claim on Florida diminished with British settlements being established to the north and French settlements being established to the west. To protect St. Augustine from attacks from Britain and buccaneers, they built the Castillo de San Marcos and Fort Mantanzas and to maintain its strategic position to lay claim to Florida as a whole. These forts would play a considerable role in the Floridian Revolution.

The 1st and 2nd Great Migrations

By 1760, the population of Florida was a mere 55,000. Meanwhile, the British made the Proclamation of 1763, which barred settlers form the thirteen colonies form settling west of the Appalachian Mountains. Colonists also saw the first of the new taxes created by the British that would eventually spark the American Revolution. Although, in 1765, a man from North Carolina proposed that colonists that were looking to settle west, but couldn’t, and to also escape the harsh taxation, could settle in Florida, in what is referred to as the Florida Loophole. This proposal sparked the First Great Migration, in which nearly 400,000 settlers from the thirteen colonies came to Florida in droves, settling in already established towns like St. Augustine and Miami, and also founding their own towns, such as Tampa.

The First Great Migration, which lasted from 1765-1770, caused the population to skyrocket, reaching 420,000 by 1770. With the rapid increase in population, the Hispanic Crown officially put a Lieutenant Governor was put in charge of the territory, as the Crown had direct control before. After the First Great Migration, the population stabilized and didn’t increase all that much. Then, in 1775, the American Revolution began, and many colonists were afraid of the might of Great Britain. In an attempt to flee the potential violence, colonists, mostly loyalists, moved to Florida in the Second Great Migration, in which about 250,000 colonists moved to Florida.

After the First and Second Great Migrations, the population of Florida was approaching 700,000 by 1783, when the Treaty of Paris was signed and the American Revolution came to an end.

The Rise of Tensions

After the American Revolution, the population was made up mostly of settlers from what was then the United States and of mestizos. Seeing how Hispanics were outnumbered in Florida nearly 15-1, the Hispanic Crown began to assert control through the Lieutenant Governor, restricting immigration from the former thirteen colonies, placing tariffs on American goods, taking steps to mandate Roman Catholicism, and gradually taking away power from the Lieutenant Governor, which was not liked by colonists, to say the least. The colonists protested the sudden authoritarianism from the Hispanic Crown, but they were largely ignored.

Then, the Hispanic Crown began to enforce mercantilism, blocking all trade from anyone other than Hispania. The colonists protested this by boycotting Hispanic goods, instead purchasing domestically crafted goods. The Hispanic Crown responded by seizing the businesses of the homemade goods crafters and shutting them down. They also nationalized farms and plantations in the countryside, also shutting down most of those. This made the economy dependent on Hispanic goods being shipped in. This outraged colonists, and as such, protests began to evolve into riots.

The Hispanic Crown was having none of this. Florida was their lone colonial possession in the New World, and they weren’t about to just give it up. As such, the Hispanic Crown sent 2,000 troops to Florida to seize control of the territory. News of this spread in Florida via whistleblower, and the colonists were outraged, beginning to arm themselves. Once soldiers arrived in Jacksonville and headed south for St. Augustine, they were confronted by more than 800 armed colonists at Mojave Creek. After they refused to lay down arms, shots were fired, kicking off the Floridian Revolution.

The Floridian Revolution

At the Battle of Mojave Creek, shots from both sides fired on each other, and after both sides took considerable casualties, the rebels fell back, and the Hispanics gave chase. Then, they ran into another group of rebels that were led by Benjamin Fredrickson, and they fired at the Hispanics as they approached. After taking considerable casualties, the Hispanic soldiers retreated. The Battle of Mojave Creek is widely regarded as a victory for Florida, but considering both sides took considerable casualties, it is also regarded by some as indecisive.

Meanwhile, news of rebellion reached Hispania, and the Hispanic Crown was outraged. They sent 1,000 more soldiers to Florida, aiming to crush this revolution. Meanwhile, rebels popped up in most coastal towns and cities, taking control of major ports. In St. Augustine, the rebels, led by Benjamin Fredrickson, prepared for the return of the Hispanic soldiers. And soon they did, as reinforcements arrived for the Hispanics and they moved south to rebel controlled St. Augustine. They ran into the rebels just north of the city, at the Battle of North St. Augustine. Hmm oth sides took considerable casualties, and the rebels began to fall back to the city. The Hispanics gave chase for a little, but once they had retreated to the city, they dug in for a siege , which lasted for 1 month.

Meanwhile, in Miami, another group of rebel soldiers, led by William Gaye, heard of the siege on St. Augustine. He rounded up his men and prepared to liberate the city from the siege. Before leaving, he heard that the Hispanics burned down a Squaw Town near St. Augustine after the Seminole tribe that lived there refused to aid them, and he wrote to their chief, saying “you have just experienced an unspeakable tragedy, which shows why this territory must be liberated from the tyranny that is the Hispanic Crown.” After the chief received the letter, the tribe went to Miami and agreed to help them kick out the Hispanics.

With that, the group traveled north to St. Augustine, where the siege had went on. The city began to be torn by war, and the surviving rebels trying to survive were beginning to run out of supplies. However, Benjamin Fredrickson continued to hold firm, and refused to surrender. He was confident that help would come, and it eventually did. The rebels led by William Gaye finally arrived from the south, and flanked the Hispanics. The Hispanics took heavy casualties, and they were forced to retreat into the countryside.

After the Hispanic retreat, rebels took control of the Castillo de San Marcos and Fort Mantanzas, securing the protection of St. Augustine. The rebels also took control of Jacksonville to the north , which cut off the Hispanic supply line. Meanwhile, in St. Augustine, the rebels were fortifying the city to prepare for the return of the Hispanic soldiers. However, Benjamin Fredrickson began to question the motive of the rebels, stating “why are we fighting? What do we want out of this? We need something to fight for. And we will fight... for independence.” Benjamin had been the first to verbally support the idea of independence, and the others soon followed. As such, a Declaration of Independence was immediately drafted, and after it was signed, the Republic of Florida was declared, and a hand sewn flag, which was yellow with red lines diagonally forming a cross, was risen over St. Augustine.

Meanwhile, the Hispanics had set up camp in the countryside, and were planning to attack St. Augustine once again . However, in St. Augustine, Benjamin Fredrickson wanted to take the fight to the Hispanics. He knew that they may not be able to survive another attack, and wanted to win the war before it was lost. The others heeded his advice, and Benjamin and William Gaye rounded up their men and headed for the Hispanic encampment. They waited until sunset to attack, and when they did, the Hispanics were caught off guard. They took considerable casualties, and the general had been captured. After his capture, he was taken to Benjamin Fredrickson, who demanded the surrender of the Hispanic soldiers. The general had no other choice but to comply, and peace negotiations began with Hispania.

News of the Hispanic defeat in Florida reached Hispania, and the people had began to give up on the territory. Despite not wanting to, the Hispanic Crown had to negotiate, as the war became increasingly unpopular back home. Eventually, the Treaty of Madrid was signed, in which Florida would officially be granted independence, Hispanic soldiers would be pulled out of Florida, government property of Hispania in Florida would be handed over to Florida, and the mercantilist system would be abolished in Florida.

The “Hermit Republic” Years

After gaining independence from Hispania, and signing the Treaty of Madrid, the Republic of Florida was able to gain international recognition in Europe. Meanwhile, the first election was taking place. Many people wanted Benjamin Fredrickson to be the first president, much like George Washington in America, and after being convinced to run, he won in a landslide. His first act while in office was to officially draft and ratify the Floridian Constitution. He also put a Neutrality Policy in place, in which Florida pretty much cut itself off from the rest of the world. While not everyone agreed with the policy, it did give the newborn Republic a chance to stabilize without getting pulled into conflict. As President, Benjamin Fredrickson also rebuilt the private sector, established domestic trade between districts, signed treaties with the Native American tribes to respect their sovereignty and give them somewhat of a voice in government, reorganized the rebel militias into a real army, put generals in place to lead and train these soldiers, and began to make the economy less reliant on slave labor. After he completed two terms, he retired from public office, clearing the way for someone else to lead.

William Gaye, who had been a Senator, ran for president to succeed President Fredrickson, and he ended up winning the 1796 election. He continued the progress made by the Fredrickson Administration in many areas, most notably upholding the Neutrality Policy. This policy drew some ire from abroad, with an American lawmaker in the Federal Enclave jokingly referring to Florida as the “Hermit Republic”. Despite the criticism, the Neutrality Policy continued to be upheld, and the government remained strictly focused on domestic politics, paying absolutely no attention to world events that didn’t concern them.

After Gaye completed his two terms, his Vice President, Samuel Princeton, ran for president himself, winning the 1804 election. As President, he cut military spending by 30%, continued to gradually make the economy less dependent on slave labor, and slightly increase immigration. However, he was quite corrupt, and once news of his corruption reached the public via whistleblower, he lost his re-election bid, the first President to do so in Florida’s history.

Dewey Adam, the one who beat Princeton in the 1804 elections, continued to uphold Fredricksonian policy, keeping the Neutrality Policy in place, continuing to make the economy less dependent on slave labor by starting a government program to reward farm owners who used paid hands instead of slaves, and increasing economic output. He completed his two terms, and Diego De la Rosa, the first mestizo to run for president, announced his candidacy, and campaigned on the promise of increasing diplomatic ties with Europe and even Asia. This appealed to many voters, and he eventually won the 1812 election.

Present Day

The recently elected Diego De la Rosa plans to increase diplomatic relations with European and Asian nations, secure a foreign backer for his expensive industrial plans, grow the economy, engage in more trade, and build upon some Fredricksonian policies for the economy. While Florida faces quite a few challenges, with the grit and perseverance that Floridians showed during the Floridian Revolution, they will face them head on.

RP Sample: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=498384&p=38381231#p38381231

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[Tracian Empire]

The app does look a lot better now, but Speyland has a two day reservation. If his app is rejected or if his reservation expires, then we will review yours.

[Deblar]

The app does look a lot better now, but Speyland has a two day reservation. If his app is rejected or if his reservation expires, then we will review yours.

Alright, I can wait.

[Revlona]

AHEM



DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES


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[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

posted

About bloody time! :D

Interesting... Germany seems pretty receptive to consolidating an ideological bloc with Britain, which I think pretty much presses the Commonwealth into sending a delegation as well. She can’t exactly ignore the prospects of two of her neighbours allying.

We shall see how this goes...

[Revlona]

posted

About bloody time!

Interesting... Germany seems pretty receptive to consolidating an ideological bloc with Britain, which I think pretty much presses the Commonwealth into sending a delegation as well. She can’t exactly ignore the prospects of two of her neighbours allying.

We shall see how this goes...

Germany has a vested interest in keeping both itself and Britian alive after all

Plus we did help them out in their Revolution, Big Brother mentality almost

[Deblar]

IC’s looking spicy. Cant wait to join in if and when I’m accepted.

[Revlona]

Hey Mr. Scandinavia, would your section of Slesvig-Holstein have a large German demographic like irl? Or not?

[Kenobot]

AHEM



DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES


posted

You got my title wrong smh. IC post will be up later today.

Also
Going away for the Easter Long weekend (Friday to Monday) and questionable whether I will have internet

[Revlona]

AHEM



DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES


posted

You got my title wrong smh. IC post will be up later today.

Also
Going away for the Easter Long weekend (Friday to Monday) and questionable whether I will have internet

I don’t think I did

[Speyland]

Well, since I don't have the time to participate in this RP and considering that I'm busy with other stuff, I'll let Deblar have Florida. I would like to participate, but I just don't have the time at the moment. The application seems complicated anyway, so I'm just being nice to the one who has theirs already written. I apologize for wasting everyone's time.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLkkUfLJQmQ

The theme of the Commonwealth in Hyperborea. We see all and are seen by none. We hear all and are heard by none.

Although I'd really like someone to approach me with a plot idea that plays on the Commonwealth's strength in espionage/intelligence. >_>;; I don't want to step on any toes by raising spy-related shenanigans in other players' countries without consulting them OOC first. Covert operations is supposed to be one of this Commonwealth's two specialities (the other one being naval power), but I've yet to do anything interesting with it in the IC thread.

Huh, would've sworn it'd be this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klfhaQBVbJQ

I'm considering doing some covert actions against the British Republicans, but I'm not sure whether you could be involved

[Deblar]

Well, since I don't have the time to participate in this RP and considering that I'm busy with other stuff, I'll let Deblar have Florida. I would like to participate, but I just don't have the time at the moment. The application seems complicated anyway, so I'm just being nice to the one who has theirs already written. I apologize for wasting everyone's time.

It’s good bro, and thanks.