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by Madrinpoor » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:04 am
by Sao Nova Europa » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:45 am
by Zohiania » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:05 am
Official Name: The Prohibition of Forced Sterilization and Redress of Forcibly Sterilized Victims Act
Overview: This bill seeks to prohibit the practice of Forced Sterilization by the U.S. Government and Respective State Governments. This bill also serves to fully recognize our Government not only failed but proactively violated the protected rights of American Citizens under the U.S. Constitution by permitting the continuation of the practice of Forced Sterilization. This bill also seeks to provide reparations to those individuals whose rights were violated by forced sterilization.Sponsor: Joseph Gorski Warszawski (R-PA)
Co-Sponsors:
Section 1:
A. This bill seeks to prohibit the practice of forced sterilization by the U.S. Government and all respective State governments.
B. This bill shall make it a crime punishable up to 15 years to coerce or forcibly sterilize an individual without their informed consent.
C. This bill shall require annual audits of all public and private medical institutions to ensure they that are in compliance with this law.
D. Failure to comply by any medical institution with this bill shall result in full investigation and criminal litigation which shall be enforced with the full force of the law.
Section 2:
A. This bill seeks to grant reparations to Americans who had been forcibly sterilized by the United States government or their respective State governments. In full recognition of the violations of the rights of American citizens by the U.S. Government.
B. This bill will grant reparations of $15,000 to individuals who were forcibly sterilized by the U.S. Government or their respective State governments. Furthermore, this bill will grant full refunds of burial services costs to be provided to the families of those who lost family members who died while being forcibly sterilized or after they had been forcibly sterilized.
C. This bill seeks to create a Committee on the Reconciliation and Mediation of Victims of Forced Sterilization. This Committee will serve to analyze all cases seeking redress for loss reproductive capacity by individuals and their families during the process of forced sterilization committed by the U.S. Government or their respective State governments. This Committee will assist in verifying and filing these claims.
This bill is then honorably presented to the Senate for consideration in order to at least in part begin the process of amelioration and reconciliation by our government to redress its wrongs against American citizens to improve the United States Law and is backed by Joseph Gorski Warszawski on (insert date)
by Latvijas Otra Republika » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:15 am
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Not all that well versed in the history of the age (nor American), but I believe that primaries did exist, just that delegates were not required to pick the nominee who won in the primaries. Delegates could vote for someone else, which meant there were backroom deals. At least that's what I believe was happening, might need to revisit this era.
by Latvijas Otra Republika » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:16 am
Zohiania wrote:(Image)Official Name: The Prohibition of Forced Sterilization and Redress of Forcibly Sterilized Victims Act
Overview: This bill seeks to prohibit the practice of Forced Sterilization by the U.S. Government and Respective State Governments. This bill also serves to fully recognize our Government not only failed but proactively violated the protected rights of American Citizens under the U.S. Constitution by permitting the continuation of the practice of Forced Sterilization. This bill also seeks to provide reparations to those individuals whose rights were violated by forced sterilization.Sponsor: Joseph Gorski Warszawski (R-PA)
Co-Sponsors:
Section 1:
A. This bill seeks to prohibit the practice of forced sterilization by the U.S. Government and all respective State governments.
B. This bill shall make it a crime punishable up to 15 years to coerce or forcibly sterilize an individual without their informed consent.
C. This bill shall require annual audits of all public and private medical institutions to ensure they that are in compliance with this law.
D. Failure to comply by any medical institution with this bill shall result in full investigation and criminal litigation which shall be enforced with the full force of the law.
Section 2:
A. This bill seeks to grant reparations to Americans who had been forcibly sterilized by the United States government or their respective State governments. In full recognition of the violations of the rights of American citizens by the U.S. Government.
B. This bill will grant reparations of $15,000 to individuals who were forcibly sterilized by the U.S. Government or their respective State governments. Furthermore, this bill will grant full refunds of burial services costs to be provided to the families of those who lost family members who died while being forcibly sterilized or after they had been forcibly sterilized.
C. This bill seeks to create a Committee on the Reconciliation and Mediation of Victims of Forced Sterilization. This Committee will serve to analyze all cases seeking redress for loss reproductive capacity by individuals and their families during the process of forced sterilization committed by the U.S. Government or their respective State governments. This Committee will assist in verifying and filing these claims.
This bill is then honorably presented to the Senate for consideration in order to at least in part begin the process of amelioration and reconciliation by our government to redress its wrongs against American citizens to improve the United States Law and is backed by Joseph Gorski Warszawski on (insert date)
Would any senators be interested in co-sponsoring this bill?
by Sao Nova Europa » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:21 am
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Sao Nova Europa wrote:Not all that well versed in the history of the age (nor American), but I believe that primaries did exist, just that delegates were not required to pick the nominee who won in the primaries. Delegates could vote for someone else, which meant there were backroom deals. At least that's what I believe was happening, might need to revisit this era.
From what I gathered, there isn't much I've found so far, is that some states did in fact vote but it was a more of an indication if a candidate is electable (which then may have contributed to the nominee being chosen). Nomination till roughly around 1968 still were decided by party insiders.
Means the primary is going to be a pain both with mechanics and RPing, unless there's a coherent system in place with polling/states to campaign in.
by Zohiania » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:26 am
by Latvijas Otra Republika » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:29 am
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:From what I gathered, there isn't much I've found so far, is that some states did in fact vote but it was a more of an indication if a candidate is electable (which then may have contributed to the nominee being chosen). Nomination till roughly around 1968 still were decided by party insiders.
Means the primary is going to be a pain both with mechanics and RPing, unless there's a coherent system in place with polling/states to campaign in.
We could always pretend the post-1968 system was adopted earlier. After all, we've already made changes, with Vietnam War happening earlier, so we could make such a change, especially as it would make the RP better I believe.
by Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:14 am
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:From what I gathered, there isn't much I've found so far, is that some states did in fact vote but it was a more of an indication if a candidate is electable (which then may have contributed to the nominee being chosen). Nomination till roughly around 1968 still were decided by party insiders.
Means the primary is going to be a pain both with mechanics and RPing, unless there's a coherent system in place with polling/states to campaign in.
We could always pretend the post-1968 system was adopted earlier. After all, we've already made changes, with Vietnam War happening earlier, so we could make such a change, especially as it would make the RP better I believe.
by Louisianan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:53 am
by Free Ward Marchers » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:04 am
by Newne Carriebean7 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:24 am
Krugeristan wrote:This is Carrie you're referring to. I'm not going to expect him to do something sane anytime soon. He can take something as simple as a sandwich, and make me never look at sandwiches with a straight face ever again.
Former Carriebeanian president Carol Dartenby sentenced to 4 years hard labor for corruption and mismanagement of state property|Former Carriebeanian president Antrés Depuís sentenced to 3 years in prison for embezzling funds and corruption
by Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:35 am
by Louisianan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:36 am
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:saying that the old primary system was "pick one person and kick everyone else out" ignores that fact that it was the previous VP (Nixon) running in 1960.
Absent that, it would have been competitive, with significant backdoor dealing, because you had the same system in '64 and '68 and both were pretty competitive.
by Free Ward Marchers » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:15 pm
by The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:16 pm
Nah, primaries were pretty universally crooked in this era. See Estes Kefauver, who won 3.1 million votes in the primaries, losing the Democratic nomination to Stevenson (only 78,000 votes) in 1952. Or the 1960 primary, where Lyndon B. Johnson, who didn't even run, nearly won the nomination against Kennedy due to the favoritism of the Party bosses.Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:saying that the old primary system was "pick one person and kick everyone else out" ignores that fact that it was the previous VP (Nixon) running in 1960.
Absent that, it would have been competitive, with significant backdoor dealing, because you had the same system in '64 and '68 and both were pretty competitive.
However I guess if people really want a national primary you can just use the order of states from the 1976 race.
by Louisianan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:17 pm
by Zohiania » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:20 pm
Louisianan wrote:ALSO Congress is basically in its own little world so you don't have to put the date on your posts. Also, Zohania, good rebuttal!!!!
by Free Ward Marchers » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:21 pm
Louisianan wrote:ALSO Congress is basically in its own little world so you don't have to put the date on your posts. Also, Zohania, good rebuttal!!!!
by Zohiania » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:24 pm
Free Ward Marchers wrote:Louisianan wrote:ALSO Congress is basically in its own little world so you don't have to put the date on your posts. Also, Zohania, good rebuttal!!!!
is giving survivors $15,000 dollars in 2021 money? or $15,000 in 1959 money? because if it is the latter that would be equivalent to $134,836.08 which is alot
by Louisianan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:25 pm
Free Ward Marchers wrote:Louisianan wrote:ALSO Congress is basically in its own little world so you don't have to put the date on your posts. Also, Zohania, good rebuttal!!!!
is giving survivors $15,000 dollars in 2021 money? or $15,000 in 1959 money? because if it is the latter that would be equivalent to $134,836.08 which is alot
by Newne Carriebean7 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:25 pm
Krugeristan wrote:This is Carrie you're referring to. I'm not going to expect him to do something sane anytime soon. He can take something as simple as a sandwich, and make me never look at sandwiches with a straight face ever again.
Former Carriebeanian president Carol Dartenby sentenced to 4 years hard labor for corruption and mismanagement of state property|Former Carriebeanian president Antrés Depuís sentenced to 3 years in prison for embezzling funds and corruption
by Louisianan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:26 pm
Zohiania wrote:Free Ward Marchers wrote:is giving survivors $15,000 dollars in 2021 money? or $15,000 in 1959 money? because if it is the latter that would be equivalent to $134,836.08 which is alot
Yes it is a lot, and it is in 1959 money, however my character doesn't think it is ridiculous from the perspective of the Japanese individuals and families who lost everything and had their rights violated. Also the number of interned was around 110,000-120,000 individuals. The likely highest number of claimants would be cost up to around $1,650,000,000 in 1959 dollars
by Zohiania » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:27 pm
by Zohiania » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:27 pm
Louisianan wrote:Zohiania wrote:
Yes it is a lot, and it is in 1959 money, however my character doesn't think it is ridiculous from the perspective of the Japanese individuals and families who lost everything and had their rights violated. Also the number of interned was around 110,000-120,000 individuals. The likely highest number of claimants would be cost up to around $1,650,000,000 in 1959 dollars
Yea, I think the bill had good intentions but it's unlikely to pass with such a high amount of money. Might I suggest another Senator propose an amendment?
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