Home of The Brave: A 1960's Political RP

[Free Ward Marchers]

Yes, but imagine if you started answering a question about trade with a diatribe about lithium-oxygen batteries and helium-3 from the Moon being used for nuclear fusion today, then talked about how America 'could' produce services for the internet and be the cultural centre of world entertainment. That's what Wilson-Carter sounds like.

You are entitled to your own opinion, and we have every right to agree to disagree with one another.

Your rping does not add up with the time this rp takes place and we are gently telling you to change it a little bit. All it takes is a small amount of research to figure out talking points in the late 1950's. So please research and then come back so we can all properly enjoy the rp.

[Meretica]

You are entitled to your own opinion, and we have every right to agree to disagree with one another.

Your rping does not add up with the time this rp takes place and we are gently telling you to change it a little bit. All it takes is a small amount of research to figure out talking points in the late 1950s. So please research and then come back so we can all properly enjoy the rp.

I have researched. I have dedicated a substantial portion of my life to the study of American politics. While neither Ladhe nor RWC are exactly what might be considered "mainstream" politicians, I assure you that it is entirely intentional. Ladhe is written to be intentionally more radical, mostly regarding Vietnam and abortion, because in many ways he is meant to represent Walter Mondale of Huber Humphrey-- both men remembered for being particularly outspoken and boisterous regarding their personal beliefs, perhaps aiding their defeats in 1968 and 1984 respectively. RWC, by contrast, is a radical centrist that leans to the right. In many ways, he represents what JFK called "idealism without illusions" and represents a centrist yet liberal Republican way forward in America. Are his ideas a little accelerated? Yes, but that is intentional. Many politicians were ahead of their time, such as Descartes, Marcus Aurelius, Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton, John McCain, Ralph Nader, and others. He has an idealistic vision for America's future, something that was an extremely big issue in the 1960 campaign, and he has succeeded in providing one. is this an election he's likely to win? Of course not. But he will certainly stand out and be remembered as that radical Liberal Republican with grand ideas that no one thought would work. Some aspects have not been shared (e.g. particulars on his agricultural plans, environmental regulation ideas, boosting tourism, etc) but one cannot deny that his ideas work.

[Free Ward Marchers]

Your rping does not add up with the time this rp takes place and we are gently telling you to change it a little bit. All it takes is a small amount of research to figure out talking points in the late 1950s. So please research and then come back so we can all properly enjoy the rp.

I have researched. I have dedicated a substantial portion of my life to the study of American politics. While neither Ladhe nor RWC are exactly what might be considered "mainstream" politicians, I assure you that it is entirely intentional. Ladhe is written to be intentionally more radical, mostly regarding Vietnam and abortion, because in many ways he is meant to represent Walter Mondale of Huber Humphrey-- both men remembered for being particularly outspoken and boisterous regarding their personal beliefs, perhaps aiding their defeats in 1968 and 1984 respectively. RWC, by contrast, is a radical centrist that leans to the right. In many ways, he represents what JFK called "idealism without illusions" and represents a centrist yet liberal Republican way forward in America. Are his ideas a little accelerated? Yes, but that is intentional. Many politicians were ahead of their time, such as Descartes, Marcus Aurelius, Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton, John McCain, Ralph Nader, and others. He has an idealistic vision for America's future, something that was an extremely big issue in the 1960 campaign, and he has succeeded in providing one. is this an election he's likely to win? Of course not. But he will certainly stand out and be remembered as that radical Liberal Republican with grand ideas that no one thought would work. Some aspects have not been shared (e.g. particulars on his agricultural plans, environmental regulation ideas, boosting tourism, etc) but one cannot deny that his ideas work.

making things that are non-issues into issues in a time period literally decades before it is even considered an issue isn't radicalism it's stupidity, you're testing my patience here so I'm just gonna close the conversation now.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

I can say with the FREE Act tabled, the next version won't contain the deregulation compromise. No point in compromising if doing that doesn't get it passed.

Also will Sofia will definitely try to kill the Infrastructure Relief Bill, it's not particularly good anyway.

[Louisianan]

I can say with the FREE Act tabled, the next version won't contain the deregulation compromise. No point in compromising if doing that doesn't get it passed.

Also will Sofia will definitely try to kill the Infrastructure Relief Bill, it's not particularly good anyway.

Thats tactless and rude.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

I can say with the FREE Act tabled, the next version won't contain the deregulation compromise. No point in compromising if doing that doesn't get it passed.

Also will Sofia will definitely try to kill the Infrastructure Relief Bill, it's not particularly good anyway.

Thats tactless and rude.

What?

tabling a bill without even attempting to criticize it is tactless and rude. not responding in kind to that is spineless. at least the IR bill will actually be criticized before sofia tries to kill it.

[Meretica]

I'll have an anti-AIDA post up by this afternoon.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

I'll have an anti-AIDA post up by this afternoon.

oh nice that'll give Tom Fraser an excuse to criticize Wilson-Carter then.

[Meretica]

I'll have an anti-AIDA post up by this afternoon.

oh nice that'll give Tom Fraser an excuse to criticize Wilson-Carter then.

Ladhe, not Wilson-Carter. Unless I have confused my bills and it is not AIDA on the floor of the Senate. I'd also note that it could be twisted as Tom defending his wife rather than focusing on the quality of legislation.

[Louisianan]

Thats tactless and rude.

What?

tabling a bill without even attempting to criticize it is tactless and rude. not responding in kind to that is spineless. at least the IR bill will actually be criticized before sofia tries to kill it.

'Its not particularly good anyway,' that comes off as a bit rude. The bill hasn't been killed, it has just been put below the other bills in importance. If Douglas decides to raise it off of the table, then that is his choice. Don't take things so personally.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

What?

tabling a bill without even attempting to criticize it is tactless and rude. not responding in kind to that is spineless. at least the IR bill will actually be criticized before sofia tries to kill it.

'Its not particularly good anyway,' that comes off as a bit rude. The bill hasn't been killed, it has just been put below the other bills in importance. If Douglas decides to raise it off of the table, then that is his choice. Don't take things so personally.

it's not about taking things personally, it's just tactics. If you allow being slighted without consequences is just allows more of it in the future. best to nip it in the bud sooner rather than later.

[Hopal]

Alright I'll explain the reasoning behind Douglas tabling the bill. He doesn't have a hardened stance on the bill, though he is leaning against it. He needed time to consider the bill and talk to his staff and other democratic officials to determine how he would vote on the bill. It's kind of like how Matamoros had voted in favour of tabling the Workplace and College Inclusion Act. Douglas is leaning against the bill because of his deep apprehension of bid business, and just capitalism more broadly which particularly the former he sees as the reason behind the Great Depression which had caused his family much pain. He also to a degree is listening to people like Boone who spoke out against the bill and the compromises on labour deregulation definitely don't help.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

Alright I'll explain the reasoning behind Douglas tabling the bill. He doesn't have a hardened stance on the bill, though he is leaning against it. He needed time to consider the bill and talk to his staff and other democratic officials to determine how he would vote on the bill. It's kind of like how Matamoros had voted in favour of tabling the Workplace and College Inclusion Act. Douglas is leaning against the bill because of his deep apprehension of bid business, and just capitalism more broadly which particularly the former he sees as the reason behind the Great Depression which had caused his family much pain. He also to a degree is listening to people like Boone who spoke out against the bill and the compromises on labour deregulation definitely don't help.

I don't hold anything against you OOC, but that doesn't change what IC decisions are made. Delay must be paid back with delay, unless it's something that one wants to see passed more than what was first delayed. At least that's the tactic that Soifa Fraser is taking up.

Also IC and OOC it's been like months 'needing more time' is a little weak...

[Hopal]

Alright I'll explain the reasoning behind Douglas tabling the bill. He doesn't have a hardened stance on the bill, though he is leaning against it. He needed time to consider the bill and talk to his staff and other democratic officials to determine how he would vote on the bill. It's kind of like how Matamoros had voted in favour of tabling the Workplace and College Inclusion Act. Douglas is leaning against the bill because of his deep apprehension of bid business, and just capitalism more broadly which particularly the former he sees as the reason behind the Great Depression which had caused his family much pain. He also to a degree is listening to people like Boone who spoke out against the bill and the compromises on labour deregulation definitely don't help.

I don't hold anything against you OOC, but that doesn't change what IC decisions are made. Delay must be paid back with delay, unless it's something that one wants to see passed more than what was first delayed. At least that's the tactic that Soifa Fraser is taking up.

Also IC and OOC it's been like months 'needing more time' is a little weak...

I totally understand Sofia's reasoning, even if I don't personally agree with it. This is an issue of IC and politics can't be taken personally as Douglas occasionally thinks to himself. Also I don't know if Douglas will ever form a hardened position on the FREE Act he'll likely just go with the party establishment on this if this ever goes to a vote in the House. What is the democratic establishment's position on the FREE Act anyway?

[Meretica]

I don't hold anything against you OOC, but that doesn't change what IC decisions are made. Delay must be paid back with delay, unless it's something that one wants to see passed more than what was first delayed. At least that's the tactic that Soifa Fraser is taking up.

Also IC and OOC it's been like months 'needing more time' is a little weak...

I totally understand Sofia's reasoning, even if I don't personally agree with it. This is an issue of IC and politics can't be taken personally as Douglas occasionally thinks to himself. Also I don't know if Douglas will ever form a hardened position on the FREE Act he'll likely just go with the party establishment on this if this ever goes to a vote in the House. What is the democratic establishment's position on the FREE Act anyway?

I suppose that would depend on whether you're a Yank or a Southerner. I think that Dems from New England and the upper Midwest would be in support of it while most others would be opposed given that there is an emphasis on urban development.

[Newne Carriebean7]

Well Sharp was initially against the FREE act because it got rid of the state minimum wage, but he worked with Fraser to edit the bill that allowed states to waive the 40 hour work-week. Sharp saw that not only as a victory for state's rights but as a victory in his quest for bipartisanship with members of the Republican Party.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

I totally understand Sofia's reasoning, even if I don't personally agree with it. This is an issue of IC and politics can't be taken personally as Douglas occasionally thinks to himself. Also I don't know if Douglas will ever form a hardened position on the FREE Act he'll likely just go with the party establishment on this if this ever goes to a vote in the House. What is the democratic establishment's position on the FREE Act anyway?

I suppose that would depend on whether you're a Yank or a Southerner. I think that Dems from New England and the upper Midwest would be in support of it while most others would be opposed given that there is an emphasis on urban development.

Are you talking about the FREE Act or AIDA?

[Meretica]

I suppose that would depend on whether you're a Yank or a Southerner. I think that Dems from New England and the upper Midwest would be in support of it while most others would be opposed given that there is an emphasis on urban development.

Are you talking about the FREE Act or AIDA?

The FREE Act. The opposite would be true for AIDA.

[Free Ward Marchers]

CURRENT DATE: 10th August to 16th August, 1959

[Free Ward Marchers]

The Iowa State fair and subsequent Iowa Straw Poll will be early this week

[Emazia]

Does anyone, anyone at all, want to meet with Bojanowski?

[Meretica]

Just a note, if these Ellies are supporting Fraser and they are questioning RWC's stance on the NFO because Fraser opposes the NFO, then Fraser will struggle in Iowa. The NFO is extremely popular in Iowa at this time and it would not be a good move, politically speaking, to oppose it.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

Just a note, if these Ellies are supporting Fraser and they are questioning RWC's stance on the NFO because Fraser opposes the NFO, then Fraser will struggle in Iowa. The NFO is extremely popular in Iowa at this time and it would not be a good move, politically speaking, to oppose it.

I think it's pretty clear that they like the NFO, I did mention that the speaker is the daughter of a farmer radical. She's also leans pro-union, partially because she's seen farmers benefit from producers unions.

the issue is more that it's a Michigander coming to Iowa dressed like a farmer trying to tell them to donate their own money to an organization within their state through said person's presidential campaign, as if it couldn't didn't occur to them to support the NFO before Wilson-Carter to showed up.

It's pretty patronizing, it's not really 'getting to know iowans' and it's more of a 'educate these peasants about their own culture' vibe.

Fraser has a very plan for all the appealing to Iowans without promising to hike costs for the rest of the country. it involves focusing on the supply rather than demand side of agriculture.

[Joohan]

Could somebody give me a run down of what's going on in America right now? And how it's changed from our timeline?

[Deblar]

Could somebody give me a run down of what's going on in America right now? And how it's changed from our timeline?

This is from the OP:

As per the introductory note, politicians post-FDR do not exist, or have been replaced with generic stand-ins: you can play them, should you wish. Records and history are the same, including statistics, save in the places where player-characters have brought about a change.