Home of The Brave: A 1960's Political RP

[Louisianan]

War hero is only one argument (though that alone can be pretty popular); his tax cuts, appeals to national unity, law and order agenda and tough stance on communism also appeal to parts of the electorate. Also, so far, he has not really shown a decrease in popularity.

[Also, I don't really detect any incompetence - unlike Fraser who has pissed off every other Repubican or Democrat candidate in the race ]

for the most part all Jackson's done is vaguely "i want good things" and whenever he tries to present anything specific to accomplish said good things the result is catastrophic, his corporate employment tax benefit gives the biggest corporations more money than they'd ever hope to make from the people they'd employ, which would create a bidding war for hiring people to sit around all day, that will inevitably be won by the largest companies, vastly expanding the featherbedding practices that the republican party have been trying to end.

Fraser on the other hand has backed specific policies to lower the tax burden, replacing the corporate tax with a share levy, help national unity by admitting that the north economically neglected the south during reconstruction and expanding the TVA to the whole of the south as reparations, will soon be backing his wife's proposal to punish people provoking violence at protests and supports childcare programs to help move women into the workforce so that more men are freed up to fight communism overseas.

Fraser isn't liked by other candidates? He's running against them for president, who cares.

Why don't you attack Jackson on policy? Instead of attacking him on obviously false claims, you could attack him on policy, which in turn would help your credibility.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

for the most part all Jackson's done is vaguely "i want good things" and whenever he tries to present anything specific to accomplish said good things the result is catastrophic, his corporate employment tax benefit gives the biggest corporations more money than they'd ever hope to make from the people they'd employ, which would create a bidding war for hiring people to sit around all day, that will inevitably be won by the largest companies, vastly expanding the featherbedding practices that the republican party have been trying to end.

Fraser on the other hand has backed specific policies to lower the tax burden, replacing the corporate tax with a share levy, help national unity by admitting that the north economically neglected the south during reconstruction and expanding the TVA to the whole of the south as reparations, will soon be backing his wife's proposal to punish people provoking violence at protests and supports childcare programs to help move women into the workforce so that more men are freed up to fight communism overseas.

Fraser isn't liked by other candidates? He's running against them for president, who cares.

Why don't you attack Jackson on policy? Instead of attacking him on obviously false claims, you could attack him on policy, which in turn would help your credibility.

1. It's hard to attack policies that don't exist, but to the extent it's possible, Fraser has attacked on policies.

2. false claims? they're not false, it's 100% accurate to say that Jackson is fine with allowing states to act in breech of the 14th and 15th amendment and there's no operating principle at all to prevent that being applied to any part of the constitution.

[United Socialist Territories]

This is part of the problem in modern politics, people think that popularity will get you a win but nope.

Hope to see you in the RP by if you don't mind asking, why not be a republican and help Tom Fraser make it progressive again?

I'm pro-Democrat in real life and my thing is that since I was born to Southerners and became a Civil Rights activist, I stick with the Democrats to try to make it a modern Party(for the 60's and 70's anyways)

[United Socialist Territories]

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[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

Hope to see you in the RP by if you don't mind asking, why not be a republican and help Tom Fraser make it progressive again?

I'm pro-Democrat in real life and my thing is that since I was born to Southerners and became a Civil Rights activist, I stick with the Democrats to try to make it a modern Party(for the 60's and 70's anyways)

meh, who cares about real life. the 50s to 60s GOP is a husk of a party waiting to be made something new. It only won the presidency because Eisenhower refused to run as a democrat. meanwhile progressives in the democratic party spent themselves evicting the Dixiecrats and then proceeded to lose the party to centrists.

as it stands in this rp, you're probably going to get Boone as the nominee, someone who's clearly to the right of real life's Kennedy and Johnson on civil rights issues.

but oh well, maybe you'll be another vote for bipartisan liberal proposals.

[The Koskr]

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Character Information Sheet

NS Nation Name: The Koskr
Character Name: Robert "Bobby" A.(Anton) Broussard
Character Gender: Male
Character Age: 63(b. January 5th 1896)
Character Height: 6"3(190.5cm)
Character Weight: 183lbs(83kg)
Character Position/Role/Job: Governor Of Louisiana 1956-present
Formerly:

Louisiana State Senator of the 14th District from 1948 to 1956
Louisiana State Representative of the 29th District from 1932 to 1941(resigned to enlist in the Army)
Sergeant of the US Army(1918)
Corporal of the US Army(1918)
Private First Class, Gunner Specialist of the US Army(1918)
Private First Class of the US Army(1918)

Character State of Origin: Louisiana
Character State of Residence: Louisiana
Character Party Affiliation: Democratic
Main Strengths:

1: Is a veteran of both World Wars and came from an impoverished background, and so has strong character credentials.
2: Is extremely popular among ethnic minorities(particularly African-Americans) due to his staunch support of civil rights and
integration.
3: Is popular among the poor and working classes due to his populist New Deal policies.
4: Can speak three languages(English, French and German), with English and French being from his upbringing, and German
from his service in WW1 and WW2.
5: He is a devout Catholic, which has earned him significant support from fellow Catholics.
6: Has unwavering support from labour unions due to his opposition to Taft-Hartley and right to work laws.

Main Weaknesses:

1: His staunch opposition to segregation has resulted in extreme unpopularity in the Deep South, as well as being
blacklisted by Southern Democrats.
2: His progressive and populist views(like Huey Long) have resulted in him being branded a "socialist", "communist", "radical",
"agitator", etc, which has caused conflict with the party establishment and conservative Democrats.
3: Suffers from lingering PTSD as a result of childhood trauma and his experiences during the World Wars. While Broussard
has mostly kept it in control, he still suffers from symptoms such as insomnia, hallucinations and flashbacks.
4: Is a former alcoholic and has recovered and relapsed multiple times due to trauma and personal issues.
5: He is a devout Catholic, which has triggered opposition from anti-Catholic Protestants.
6: Has a dirty political past that includes his friendship and alliance with Huey Long.

Biography:
Robert Anton Broussard was born on January 5th 1896 in Port Allen, Louisiana to Francois Broussard, a sharecropper of Cajun descent, and Madeleine Broussard(née Fontenot), his mother who was of Creole descent. Robert has African ancestry from his mother that he only discovered in 1948 shortly before his mother's death.

Shortly after his birth, Robert's family were evicted and left destitute during the Panic of 1896, which caused to migrate to New Orleans, where his family worked multiple jobs to make ends meet, with his mother working at a textile factory, and his father working as a stevedore at the Port of New Orleans. When Robert was 8, his father was severely injured in a occupational accident that left him crippled and ill, which further strained the family, and drove Robert to begin working at the Port in place of his father.

He continued to attend school despite is dock work, which resulted in overwork and stress that caused him to fall ill in 1906. It was during this illness that his father finally died of his wounds. This chain of events inflicted trauma on Robert that would influence him for the rest of his life. He continued to balance school and work, and eventually completed high school with average grades in 1912.

It was during this time that he met his first wife, Claire DeLeon, whom he met in 1912 in his last year of school, and married in 1916. Robert continued his stevedore work until in January 1917, war was declared on Germany. Robert was then drafted after the passing of the Selective Service Act, which he accepted. He soon after discovered that his wife was pregnant while in training camp, and was able to attend his child's birth in February 1918, a daughter who was named Madeleine after his mother, just before being shipped to France.

Robert arrived as a Private First Class(earned from his Basic Training at home), and was quickly sent to the trenches where he fought in the Battles of Aisne(Third), the Marne(Second), Soissons, the Somme(Second), Lys(Second), Saint-Mihial, and the Meuse-Argonne Offensive. Robert's ability to speak French, the massive losses taken by American forces, and his miraculous survival saw him rise through the ranks as NCOs and officers dropped around him. He became a Gunner Specialist after Aisne, a Corporal after Marne, and a Sergeant during Saint-Mihial. While he physically was in good shape, Robert suffered significant psychological damage, as he witnessed extraordinary devastation, and had to be responsible for his fellow soldiers after becoming corporal and sergeant, many of whom were killed, especially during the final Hundred Days Offensive. By the time the war ended, Broussard had become a changed man.

Broussard was discharged on January 3rd 1919, and returned to New Orleans and his wife and daughter on January 10th 1919 as mentally scarred veteran. His old stevedore job was no longer available, and Broussard and his family struggled in the midst of the post-war recession as he and his wife worked many jobs to make ends meet. His experiences overseas caused him to then undiagnosed PTSD, which further strained his life back home. This caused increasing strain to his marriage and life, as Broussard fell into alcoholism that caused further personal issues that culminated in his divorce in 1921. Broussard initially fell deeper into alcoholism and depression until hitting rock bottom after being arrested for disorderly conduct and being unable to pay bail. Broussard subsequently quit alcohol cold turkey, and travelled to the Chicago home of an old friend from the war called Peter Schneider, with whom he stayed and recovered during 1922. He and Schneider eventually moved back together to New Orleans to start a textile company called Broussard-Schneider Company in 1923, with Robert slowly rebuilding his life. He regained contact with his daughter Madeleine, and eventually met and married his second wife Jane Hughes in 1925, and with whom he had 3 children(2 daughters and one son), Peter(1926), Claire(1928), and Joanne(1930).

The company came under hard times during the Great Depression, and collapsed under the strain in 1930. It was by this point that Broussard became a supporter of Governor Huey Long and his economic and social programs, and began to develop ties with him. Broussard was also a staunch supporter of FDR and the New Deal.



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[Emazia]

NS Nation Name:United Socialist Territories
Character Name: Lawer J. Baker
Character Gender: Male
Character Age: 38
Character Height: 5' 11''
Character Weight: 162 lbs
Character Position/Role/Job: Congressman from Minnesota
Appearance: Brown hair with Blue eyes and often done Messily(think Goro Akechi from Persona 5) and White with some tanning done.
Character State of Origin: Pennsylvania
Character State of Residence: Minnesota
Character Party Affiliation: Democrat
Main Strengths: Brilliant Stratagem Inventor
Main Weaknesses: Has ADHD
Biography: Born in Pennsylvania to a Southern Family, Lawer moved from State to State every few years which caused him to see many injustices done to Minorities. With this Information in hand, Lawer moved to Minnesota and quickly rose to prominence, Quickly being dubbed "Fighting Jones"(Jones is his middle name) he gained what should have been a Safe Republican seat and quickly managed to get the People's Caucus off the ground. With his caucus quickly gaining widespread media attention because of its widespread bipartisan support, he quickly moved up the ranks of the Minnesotan Democratic-Farmer Labor Party and became Majority Leader by the Age of 33.
With this information in mind, he quickly became a representative of one of Minnesotas districts with much of the vote and began an Era of Democratic Dominance in Minnesota. With this in mind, Lawer has an entire political carrier in front of him including maybe the presidency if he so wishes.
Other Info: Refuses to talk to his family because they're Racists from Alabama which he points out that you need to make an effort to surpass Racism.

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[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Still following this (and I'll confess I regret leaving), here are some admittedly premature predictions for the election.

Boone v. Jackson
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Obviously we can't call a race that's a year away, and that's plenty of time for gaffes to throw the contest in expected ways— but if the election were held tomorrow, I think Boone would win. Boone's nomination would likely prevent Turner and Sharp from making the ballot in states like Alabama and Mississippi, and in the same stroke secure the Solid South against whatever half-hearted Southern strategy Jackson may attempt. Boone will certainly have narrower margins than Kennedy in the Northeast, but Jackson's own position on civil rights isn't exactly stellar, either, so I doubt that issue will define the election. Instead, key campaign issues will be economics and the Cold War. Jackson has the advantage there because of his war hero status, which will likely carry the West and keep things close in the bellwether and turning-point states. However, Boone's poor white appeal will likely grant him victory in key states Missouri and Florida, while Jackson will likely alienate the Eastern GOP, keeping New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania in the Democrats' hands, making the outcomes in swing states like Illinois irrelevant and thus clinching the presidency for Boone.

Likely Boone victory

Boone v. Fraser
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On the other hand, if Fraser is the Republican nominee, the Northeast is in play, making the election even closer. Boone will enjoy no competition in the South, and Fraser will probably have narrower margins in the West and Midwest, enabling Boone to potentially swing some states like Kentucky. However, Civil Rights could very well be the defining issue of this election, and a poor performance by Boone could send many traditionally Democratic states into Fraser's hands. This would be a very close election, and Boone would have to decide whether to fight for the Northeast or undercut Fraser's margins elsewhere, as well as picking his campaign issues carefully. The good news for Boone is that with Jackson out of the race, he could appear as the stronger candidate against Communism.

Tossup

[Emazia]

Still following this (and I'll confess I regret leaving), here are some admittedly premature predictions for the election.

Boone v. Jackson
https://www.yapms.com/app/?m=9fai

Obviously we can't call a race that's a year away, and that's plenty of time for gaffes to throw the contest in expected ways— but if the election were held tomorrow, I think Boone would win. Boone's nomination would likely prevent Turner and Sharp from making the ballot in states like Alabama and Mississippi, and in the same stroke secure the Solid South against whatever half-hearted Southern strategy Jackson may attempt. Boone will certainly have narrower margins than Kennedy in the Northeast, but Jackson's own position on civil rights isn't exactly stellar, either, so I doubt that issue will define the election. Instead, key campaign issues will be economics and the Cold War. Jackson has the advantage there because of his war hero status, which will likely carry the West and keep things close in the bellwether and turning-point states. However, Boone's poor white appeal will likely grant him victory in key states Missouri and Florida, while Jackson will likely alienate the Eastern GOP, keeping New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania in the Democrats' hands, making the outcomes in swing states like Illinois irrelevant and thus clinching the presidency for Boone.

Likely Boone victory

Boone v. Fraser
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On the other hand, if Fraser is the Republican nominee, the Northeast is in play, making the election even closer. Boone will enjoy no competition in the South, and Fraser will probably have narrower margins in the West and Midwest, enabling Boone to potentially swing some states like Kentucky. However, Civil Rights could very well be the defining issue of this election, and a poor performance by Boone could send many traditionally Democratic states into Fraser's hands. This would be a very close election, and Boone would have to decide whether to fight for the Northeast or undercut Fraser's margins elsewhere, as well as picking his campaign issues carefully. The good news for Boone is that with Jackson out of the race, he could appear as the stronger candidate against Communism.

Tossup

Ladhe/Generic Dem vs Fraser/Generic Republican vs Turner/Jackson would be the ultimate race ngl

[Louisianan]

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Character Name: Robert "Bobby" A.(Anton) Broussard
Character Gender: Male
Character Age: 63(b. January 5th 1896)
Character Height: 6"3(190.5cm)
Character Weight: 183lbs(83kg)
Character Position/Role/Job: Governor Of Louisiana 1956-present, formerly Louisiana State Senator of the 14th District from 1948 to 1956, Louisiana State Representative of the 29th District from 1932 to 1941(resigned to enlist in the Army)
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Character State of Origin: Louisiana
Character State of Residence: Louisiana
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Another Broussard! Sounds fun! Great skeleton app.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Ladhe/Generic Dem vs Fraser/Generic Republican vs Turner/Jackson would be the ultimate race ngl

Sounds like a recipe for a Republican landslide.

[Emazia]

Ladhe/Generic Dem vs Fraser/Generic Republican vs Turner/Jackson would be the ultimate race ngl

Sounds like a recipe for a Republican landslide.

Maybe. I'm not sure what Fraser would do in that scenario, but Turner's would be to frame them both as liberals and him as the 'reasonable conservative' option, move away from issues of segregation and focus on law-and-order, winning in Vietnam and immigration, in order to expand his platform and appeal to conservatives in both parties. Economics is going to be the real splinter there, since swerving too much on economics in one direction or another would ensure a victory for the other side.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Sounds like a recipe for a Republican landslide.

Maybe. I'm not sure what Fraser would do in that scenario, but Turner's would be to frame them both as liberals and him as the 'reasonable conservative' option, move away from issues of segregation and focus on law-and-order, winning in Vietnam and immigration, in order to expand his platform and appeal to conservatives in both parties. Economics is going to be the real splinter there, since swerving too much on economics in one direction or another would ensure a victory for the other side.

George Wallace basically tried the same thing, and even campaigned nationally. Turner will not outcompete anyone outside of the Deep South.

[Emazia]

Maybe. I'm not sure what Fraser would do in that scenario, but Turner's would be to frame them both as liberals and him as the 'reasonable conservative' option, move away from issues of segregation and focus on law-and-order, winning in Vietnam and immigration, in order to expand his platform and appeal to conservatives in both parties. Economics is going to be the real splinter there, since swerving too much on economics in one direction or another would ensure a victory for the other side.

George Wallace basically tried the same thing, and even campaigned nationally. Turner will not outcompete anyone outside of the Deep South.

I mean, the liberal vote wasn't nearly as split in 1968 as it would be in Ladhe vs Fraser. Nixon was a very clear conservative.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

George Wallace basically tried the same thing, and even campaigned nationally. Turner will not outcompete anyone outside of the Deep South.

I mean, the liberal vote wasn't nearly as split in 1968 as it would be in Ladhe vs Fraser. Nixon was a very clear conservative.

Conservative ≠ white supremacist. The attacks against Turner write themselves.

[Hopal]

I mean, the liberal vote wasn't nearly as split in 1968 as it would be in Ladhe vs Fraser. Nixon was a very clear conservative.

Conservative ≠ white supremacist. The attacks against Turner write themselves.

I agree I think a Jackson/Turner ticket might do better unless Jackson allows focus in the North to divert to Turner.

[Newne Carriebean7]

Meanwhile Sharp is just floundering on the ground trying to get some sort of coherent campaign message out while he schemes and continues to poke Jackson for his war record.

Maybe he should've stayed closer to Earl, but if he's stubborn he'll just go out on his own and attempt to at least win his home state and maybe Alabama. He might be so fed up with Turner's "dressing down" of the old man that he might even campaign against him in Mississippi, though that leaves the 70 year old open to a hell of a counterattack from the senior senator Turner, so his campaign staff will have to hold his arms back in an attempt not to knock Turner to the ground throughout Mississippi.

[Emazia]

I mean, the liberal vote wasn't nearly as split in 1968 as it would be in Ladhe vs Fraser. Nixon was a very clear conservative.

Conservative ≠ white supremacist. The attacks against Turner write themselves.

Well true but many otherwise Wallace-supporting conservatives in the North (or even just in the border states) would've voted Nixon anyway because of his relatively weak stance on Vietnam (withdrawal within 90 days), economic attacks (such as criticism coming from Nixon and Humphrey about him being anti-union), LeMay's 'nuke Vietnam' comments, threatening to run people over with his car, and so on and so forth. I don't think those gaffes were the difference between IRL Wallace and victory, but they might've been the difference between winning Tennessee and not winning Tennessee, as an example.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

Any three way race is likely to be Boone vs Fraser vs Turner, in which case there is nobody to stop Fraser from admitting that the north made mistakes during reconstruction and offer a TVA for every southern state as reparations, while still being preferred to northerners on civil rights issues by far. On economic issues he can come across as at least as left wing as boone, while still being the more market friendly alternative due both to policies and having a past in corporate America.

Fraser doesn't even need a three way race to win handily, honestly.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Jackson is going to have a moderate/bipartisan running mate if he wins the GOP nomination. Already have someone in mind (and have talked with him & and he has agreed, but won't give it away). This will help shore up Establishment/Eastern GOP support for Jackson, especially as Boone has worse record than Jackson on civil rights and his leftist economic agenda will make him unpalpable to those establishment types. As for Ladhe, his weak stance on Vietnam and his liberal stance on civil rights give Jackson opening in South/will cause third party run against Ladhe.

In the unlikely scenario Jackson does not get the nomination and he decided on a third party run (or fourth party run), he will not pick Turner as running mate but someone who is fiscally and socially conservative but not openly Dixiecrat/white supremacist. He will go on full on conservatism in that scenario (whereas in first scenario - in which he wins GOP primaries and picks moderate running mate - he will tone down some elements to appeal to more moderate voters).

[Emazia]

Jackson is going to have a moderate/bipartisan running mate if he wins the GOP nomination. Already have someone in mind (and have talked with him & and he has agreed, but won't give it away). This will help shore up Establishment/Eastern GOP support for Jackson, especially as Boone has worse record than Jackson on civil rights and his leftist economic agenda will make him unpalpable to those establishment types. As for Ladhe, his weak stance on Vietnam and his liberal stance on civil rights give Jackson opening in South/will cause third party run against Ladhe.

In the unlikely scenario Jackson does not get the nomination and he decided on a third party run (or fourth party run), he will not pick Turner as running mate but someone who is fiscally and socially conservative but not openly Dixiecrat/white supremacist. He will go on full on conservatism in that scenario (whereas in first scenario - in which he wins GOP primaries and picks moderate running mate - he will tone down some elements to appeal to more moderate voters).

He should go moderate, rip away votes from the Dems and the Republicans to help Turner win the border states, then have him as Vice President.

Jokes aside, in terms of Jackson's actual plans, the Dixiecrats are probably his best allies: they'd be far more willing and happy to see the erosion of democracy to preserve 'national values', as they see it.

[Sao Nova Europa]

He should go moderate, rip away votes from the Dems and the Republicans to help Turner win the border states, then have him as Vice President.

Jokes aside, in terms of Jackson's actual plans, the Dixiecrats are probably his best allies: they'd be far more willing and happy to see the erosion of democracy to preserve 'national values', as they see it.

Jackson views Dixiecrats as allies, and he will try to come to some sort of agreement with them (either before the elections or after, in Congress, to push through his agenda). His offer to Turner to join his administration as a Secretary wasn't simply politeness on the part of Jackson.

But he also understands that he needs the support of moderates and the establishment GOP (at least in the elections) in order to win. Once the GOP has been 'captured' by Jackson and the presidency has been secured, he can gradually move to a more hard right and even authoritarian direction. But until the party and state machinery are captured, he cannot go full "let's demolish democracy" lol

[Emazia]

He should go moderate, rip away votes from the Dems and the Republicans to help Turner win the border states, then have him as Vice President.

Jokes aside, in terms of Jackson's actual plans, the Dixiecrats are probably his best allies: they'd be far more willing and happy to see the erosion of democracy to preserve 'national values', as they see it.

Jackson views Dixiecrats as allies, and he will try to come to some sort of agreement with them (either before the elections or after, in Congress, to push through his agenda). His offer to Turner to join his administration as a Secretary wasn't simply politeness on the part of Jackson.

But he also understands that he needs the support of moderates and the establishment GOP (at least in the elections) in order to win. Once the GOP has been 'captured' by Jackson and the presidency has been secured, he can gradually move to a more hard right and even authoritarian direction. But until the party and state machinery are captured, he cannot go full "let's demolish democracy" lol

True, yeah. I think Jackson should meet with corporate leaders, try and get them to accept his social conservatism by offering them large tax breaks and so on, more than any other candidate. Turner will probably go in the opposite direction and hope to court socially conservative union voters, letting his economic stances go wherever they need to be. His main agenda will be to unify the power of organised labour and corporations through a middle ground of negotiation and government mediation when it comes to economics, trying to smooth over concerns over the power of labour while giving the unions a seat at the table.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

Jackson views Dixiecrats as allies, and he will try to come to some sort of agreement with them (either before the elections or after, in Congress, to push through his agenda). His offer to Turner to join his administration as a Secretary wasn't simply politeness on the part of Jackson.

But he also understands that he needs the support of moderates and the establishment GOP (at least in the elections) in order to win. Once the GOP has been 'captured' by Jackson and the presidency has been secured, he can gradually move to a more hard right and even authoritarian direction. But until the party and state machinery are captured, he cannot go full "let's demolish democracy" lol

True, yeah. I think Jackson should meet with corporate leaders, try and get them to accept his social conservatism by offering them large tax breaks and so on, more than any other candidate. Turner will probably go in the opposite direction and hope to court socially conservative union voters, letting his economic stances go wherever they need to be. His main agenda will be to unify the power of organised labour and corporations through a middle ground of negotiation and government mediation when it comes to economics, trying to smooth over concerns over the power of labour while giving the unions a seat at the table.

The Fraser's vision for America is pretty much a giant modern Singapore, with a conscripted army and more civil rights. Not the meme Singapore that libertarians pretend exists, but the actual Singapore, which has two sovereign wealth funds which are worth a combined ~130% of it's GDP and public housing that holds ~80% of the population.

So there will be some "middle ground" stuff between labor and corporations, in the sense that it's above having a government that's above that which fosters a free market below it.

[Deblar]

True, yeah. I think Jackson should meet with corporate leaders, try and get them to accept his social conservatism by offering them large tax breaks and so on, more than any other candidate. Turner will probably go in the opposite direction and hope to court socially conservative union voters, letting his economic stances go wherever they need to be. His main agenda will be to unify the power of organised labour and corporations through a middle ground of negotiation and government mediation when it comes to economics, trying to smooth over concerns over the power of labour while giving the unions a seat at the table.

The Fraser's vision for America is pretty much a giant modern Singapore, with a conscripted army and more civil rights. Not the meme Singapore that libertarians pretend exists, but the actual Singapore, which has two sovereign wealth funds which are worth a combined ~130% of it's GDP and public housing that holds ~80% of the population.

So there will be some "middle ground" stuff between labor and corporations, in the sense that it's above having a government that's above that which fosters a free market below it.

You had me at “more civil rights”