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Postby Deblar » Wed May 05, 2021 8:08 am

Sao Nova Europa wrote:It's probably going to be Jackson as Republican candidate VS Ladhe or Boone as Democratic candidate VS Turner as third party candidate (?). In which case the Democratic vote splitting means Jackson becomes the President. :)

Sharp may also run with his own party should he fail to win the Democratic nomination

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Wed May 05, 2021 8:17 am

Deblar wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:It's probably going to be Jackson as Republican candidate VS Ladhe or Boone as Democratic candidate VS Turner as third party candidate (?). In which case the Democratic vote splitting means Jackson becomes the President. :)

Sharp may also run with his own party should he fail to win the Democratic nomination


Which would further benefit Jackson, as the split in the Democratic vote by three might allow Jackson to sweep the South actually (by retaining GOP base + attracting moderate Dixiecrats).
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Postby Emazia » Wed May 05, 2021 8:22 am

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Deblar wrote:Sharp may also run with his own party should he fail to win the Democratic nomination


Which would further benefit Jackson, as the split in the Democratic vote by three might allow Jackson to sweep the South actually (by retaining GOP base + attracting moderate Dixiecrats).

I don't think Sharp would take that many votes from Turner tbh
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Postby Emazia » Wed May 05, 2021 8:59 am

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Deblar wrote:Sharp may also run with his own party should he fail to win the Democratic nomination


Which would further benefit Jackson, as the split in the Democratic vote by three might allow Jackson to sweep the South actually (by retaining GOP base + attracting moderate Dixiecrats).

Also did you know that's what Thomas Dewey said? :) :) :) :)
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Wed May 05, 2021 9:33 am

Emazia wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Which would further benefit Jackson, as the split in the Democratic vote by three might allow Jackson to sweep the South actually (by retaining GOP base + attracting moderate Dixiecrats).

Also did you know that's what Thomas Dewey said? :) :) :) :)


Jackson is no Dewey though 8) :p
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Wed May 05, 2021 10:40 am

Deblar wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:It's probably going to be Jackson as Republican candidate VS Ladhe or Boone as Democratic candidate VS Turner as third party candidate (?). In which case the Democratic vote splitting means Jackson becomes the President. :)

Sharp may also run with his own party should he fail to win the Democratic nomination

Sharp might run as a member of CARP. Initially he was hoping to force Boone to be more moderate/racist on his stances, but now he'll either conduct a scorched earth campaign against Turner, which will mean a begruding smile at Boone and some light parliamentarian praise in the form of a press conference. Initaly he saw Turner as the biggest possible ally, but with his rude manners in public and the firm dressing down thuroughly alienating Sharp from Turner, he might even see Boone as a new ally, though he probably won't talk to Broussard, and possibly will campaign against Broussard with some rallies in Louisiana.

If Sharp fails to win the Democratic nomination, he'll probably bolt and get his neighbors to nominate him as a third party candidate of CARP.
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Postby Emazia » Wed May 05, 2021 10:41 am

Newne Carriebean7 wrote:
Deblar wrote:Sharp may also run with his own party should he fail to win the Democratic nomination

Sharp might run as a member of CARP. Initially he was hoping to force Boone to be more moderate/racist on his stances, but now he'll either conduct a scorched earth campaign against Turner, which will mean a begruding smile at Boone and some light parliamentarian praise in the form of a press conference. Initaly he saw Turner as the biggest possible ally, but with his rude manners in public and the firm dressing down thuroughly alienating Sharp from Turner, he might even see Boone as a new ally, though he probably won't talk to Broussard, and possibly will campaign against Broussard with some rallies in Louisiana.

If Sharp fails to win the Democratic nomination, he'll probably bolt and get his neighbors to nominate him as a third party candidate of CARP.

What is CARP's platform anyway?
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Postby Deblar » Wed May 05, 2021 10:42 am

Emazia wrote:
Newne Carriebean7 wrote:Sharp might run as a member of CARP. Initially he was hoping to force Boone to be more moderate/racist on his stances, but now he'll either conduct a scorched earth campaign against Turner, which will mean a begruding smile at Boone and some light parliamentarian praise in the form of a press conference. Initaly he saw Turner as the biggest possible ally, but with his rude manners in public and the firm dressing down thuroughly alienating Sharp from Turner, he might even see Boone as a new ally, though he probably won't talk to Broussard, and possibly will campaign against Broussard with some rallies in Louisiana.

If Sharp fails to win the Democratic nomination, he'll probably bolt and get his neighbors to nominate him as a third party candidate of CARP.

What is CARP's platform anyway?

Their basically the diet WPP

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Postby Emazia » Wed May 05, 2021 10:47 am

The NVM will start soon, I've got a very long speech to write for Turner, so feel free to counterprotest or something nearby if you want to.
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Wed May 05, 2021 10:48 am

Emazia wrote:
Newne Carriebean7 wrote:Sharp might run as a member of CARP. Initially he was hoping to force Boone to be more moderate/racist on his stances, but now he'll either conduct a scorched earth campaign against Turner, which will mean a begruding smile at Boone and some light parliamentarian praise in the form of a press conference. Initaly he saw Turner as the biggest possible ally, but with his rude manners in public and the firm dressing down thuroughly alienating Sharp from Turner, he might even see Boone as a new ally, though he probably won't talk to Broussard, and possibly will campaign against Broussard with some rallies in Louisiana.

If Sharp fails to win the Democratic nomination, he'll probably bolt and get his neighbors to nominate him as a third party candidate of CARP.

What is CARP's platform anyway?

It wishes to maintain segregation in the south, support the rights of caucasian-americans against african-american radicals, lots of religous justification to maintaining segregation, wants to either support private (white) schools or work to repeal Brown v. Board of Education, wants to repeal the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments of the Constitution and to increase elderly pensions. Increase Cotton production and repeal D.C statehood among other issues.
Krugeristan wrote:This is Carrie you're referring to. I'm not going to expect him to do something sane anytime soon. He can take something as simple as a sandwich, and make me never look at sandwiches with a straight face ever again.

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Postby Emazia » Wed May 05, 2021 10:52 am

Newne Carriebean7 wrote:
Emazia wrote:What is CARP's platform anyway?

It wishes to maintain segregation in the south, support the rights of caucasian-americans against african-american radicals, lots of religous justification to maintaining segregation, wants to either support private (white) schools or work to repeal Brown v. Board of Education, wants to repeal the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments of the Constitution and to increase elderly pensions. Increase Cotton production and repeal D.C statehood among other issues.

It's a shame their relationship's broken down, but I guess that's all on Sharp not being very...sharp.
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Wed May 05, 2021 10:55 am

Emazia wrote:
Newne Carriebean7 wrote:It wishes to maintain segregation in the south, support the rights of caucasian-americans against african-american radicals, lots of religous justification to maintaining segregation, wants to either support private (white) schools or work to repeal Brown v. Board of Education, wants to repeal the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments of the Constitution and to increase elderly pensions. Increase Cotton production and repeal D.C statehood among other issues.

It's a shame their relationship's broken down, but I guess that's all on Sharp not being very...sharp.

Yeah he's very stubborn, rude and arrogant. He's not one to be talked-down to, and he's kind of stupid, but he sort of puts on an "act" of being the slack jawed local to better connect to the rural poor in Mississippi to better his chances electorally in the state.

If there's one word I can think of Sharp, it's Stubborn.
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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Wed May 05, 2021 11:19 am

Jackson's not even going to make out of the Republican Primary, firstly. Way too much time to Fraser to gain ground and nobody is going to believe that Jackson is actually capable of delivering the south as his pandering intended to do, because no republican has done that since reconstruction and whoever is coming out of democratic race is probably someone just as willing to "compromise" on the constitution as he is.

Meanwhile Fraser is probably going to end up carrying more than a few southern states in the republican primary thanks to the black vote and advocating an expansion of the TVA across the whole of the of the old confederacy to make up for decades of federal neglect and as such will probably be able to make a better case for making inroads to the south because at least his angle of attack for southern votes isn't just an inferior version of what boone and sharp supports.

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Wed May 05, 2021 11:46 am

Fraser is in the low 20s while Jackson in the high 40s. Jackson needs only to gain a few more percentage points while Fraser has to double his current percentage. So nope. 8)
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Postby Hopal » Wed May 05, 2021 12:12 pm

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Jackson's not even going to make out of the Republican Primary, firstly. Way too much time to Fraser to gain ground and nobody is going to believe that Jackson is actually capable of delivering the south as his pandering intended to do, because no republican has done that since reconstruction and whoever is coming out of democratic race is probably someone just as willing to "compromise" on the constitution as he is.

Meanwhile Fraser is probably going to end up carrying more than a few southern states in the republican primary thanks to the black vote and advocating an expansion of the TVA across the whole of the of the old confederacy to make up for decades of federal neglect and as such will probably be able to make a better case for making inroads to the south because at least his angle of attack for southern votes isn't just an inferior version of what boone and sharp supports.

Considering Lahde isn't active and Sharp is only appealing to the south (though I don't think he's doing a good job at it) Boone will probably win the Democratic Primary and he pretty much agrees with Jackson on everything except financial and economic policy. Also speaking of polls when is the next presidential poll? Also can we get polling for specific regions like the south?
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Postby Emazia » Wed May 05, 2021 12:14 pm

Hopal wrote:
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Jackson's not even going to make out of the Republican Primary, firstly. Way too much time to Fraser to gain ground and nobody is going to believe that Jackson is actually capable of delivering the south as his pandering intended to do, because no republican has done that since reconstruction and whoever is coming out of democratic race is probably someone just as willing to "compromise" on the constitution as he is.

Meanwhile Fraser is probably going to end up carrying more than a few southern states in the republican primary thanks to the black vote and advocating an expansion of the TVA across the whole of the of the old confederacy to make up for decades of federal neglect and as such will probably be able to make a better case for making inroads to the south because at least his angle of attack for southern votes isn't just an inferior version of what boone and sharp supports.

Considering Lahde isn't active and Sharp is only appealing to the south (though I don't think he's doing a good job at it) Boone will probably win the Democratic Primary and he pretty much agrees with Jackson on everything except financial and economic policy. Also speaking of polls when is the next presidential poll? Also can we get polling for specific regions like the south?

I will check with the other OPs now, but it's worth noting in your analysis that Turner is going to run and I will put up a massive speech for him in a few days.
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Postby Emazia » Wed May 05, 2021 12:18 pm

Emazia wrote:
Hopal wrote:Considering Lahde isn't active and Sharp is only appealing to the south (though I don't think he's doing a good job at it) Boone will probably win the Democratic Primary and he pretty much agrees with Jackson on everything except financial and economic policy. Also speaking of polls when is the next presidential poll? Also can we get polling for specific regions like the south?

I will check with the other OPs now, but it's worth noting in your analysis that Turner is going to run and I will put up a massive speech for him in a few days.

It is next Friday, everyone. Just so you're all aware.
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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Wed May 05, 2021 6:45 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Fraser is in the low 20s while Jackson in the high 40s. Jackson needs only to gain a few more percentage points while Fraser has to double his current percentage. So nope. 8)



the first primaries are nearly a full year away. Jackson has no place to go but down in the polls and has at no point presented anything compelling, just insisted on being a "war hero" and thinking that's enough to win and paper over a whole lot of troubling tendencies and incompetence.
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Emazia wrote:I will check with the other OPs now, but it's worth noting in your analysis that Turner is going to run and I will put up a massive speech for him in a few days.

It is next Friday, everyone. Just so you're all aware.

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Postby United Socialist Territories » Thu May 06, 2021 5:46 am

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Fraser is in the low 20s while Jackson in the high 40s. Jackson needs only to gain a few more percentage points while Fraser has to double his current percentage. So nope. 8)



the first primaries are nearly a full year away. Jackson has no place to go but down in the polls and has at no point presented anything compelling, just insisted on being a "war hero" and thinking that's enough to win and paper over a whole lot of troubling tendencies and incompetence.

This is part of the problem in modern politics, people think that popularity will get you a win but nope.
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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Thu May 06, 2021 6:49 am

United Socialist Territories wrote:
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:

the first primaries are nearly a full year away. Jackson has no place to go but down in the polls and has at no point presented anything compelling, just insisted on being a "war hero" and thinking that's enough to win and paper over a whole lot of troubling tendencies and incompetence.

This is part of the problem in modern politics, people think that popularity will get you a win but nope.


Hope to see you in the RP by if you don't mind asking, why not be a republican and help Tom Fraser make it progressive again?

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Thu May 06, 2021 7:05 am

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Fraser is in the low 20s while Jackson in the high 40s. Jackson needs only to gain a few more percentage points while Fraser has to double his current percentage. So nope. 8)



the first primaries are nearly a full year away. Jackson has no place to go but down in the polls and has at no point presented anything compelling, just insisted on being a "war hero" and thinking that's enough to win and paper over a whole lot of troubling tendencies and incompetence.


War hero is only one argument (though that alone can be pretty popular); his tax cuts, appeals to national unity, law and order agenda and tough stance on communism also appeal to parts of the electorate. Also, so far, he has not really shown a decrease in popularity. 8)

[Also, I don't really detect any incompetence - unlike Fraser who has pissed off every other Repubican or Democrat candidate in the race :p :p :p :D ]
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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Thu May 06, 2021 9:07 am

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:

the first primaries are nearly a full year away. Jackson has no place to go but down in the polls and has at no point presented anything compelling, just insisted on being a "war hero" and thinking that's enough to win and paper over a whole lot of troubling tendencies and incompetence.


War hero is only one argument (though that alone can be pretty popular); his tax cuts, appeals to national unity, law and order agenda and tough stance on communism also appeal to parts of the electorate. Also, so far, he has not really shown a decrease in popularity. 8)

[Also, I don't really detect any incompetence - unlike Fraser who has pissed off every other Repubican or Democrat candidate in the race :p :p :p :D ]


for the most part all Jackson's done is vaguely "i want good things" and whenever he tries to present anything specific to accomplish said good things the result is catastrophic, his corporate employment tax benefit gives the biggest corporations more money than they'd ever hope to make from the people they'd employ, which would create a bidding war for hiring people to sit around all day, that will inevitably be won by the largest companies, vastly expanding the featherbedding practices that the republican party have been trying to end.

Fraser on the other hand has backed specific policies to lower the tax burden, replacing the corporate tax with a share levy, help national unity by admitting that the north economically neglected the south during reconstruction and expanding the TVA to the whole of the south as reparations, will soon be backing his wife's proposal to punish people provoking violence at protests and supports childcare programs to help move women into the workforce so that more men are freed up to fight communism overseas.

Fraser isn't liked by other candidates? He's running against them for president, who cares.

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Thu May 06, 2021 9:13 am

Posted Jackson's mini-speech to the press. :)
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