Home of The Brave: A 1960's Political RP

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

Governor Fraser is going take the position that Jackson probably wasn't responsible for any of the successes of WW2. Jackson really hasn't shown anything consistent with being responsible for the type of moderation it takes to run an alliance like Eisenhower did.

It's like if you have someone who's supposed to be a successful labor leader and all they do on the campaign trail is quote atlas shrugged. Reasonable to believe they weren't the ones writing their talks or doing strategy as a labor leader.

Thats a dangerous position to take since Jackson is basically our timelines MacArthur who is nationally known as a war hero. But go ahead, I'm sure MacArthur had opponents like this.

yeah the issue is that it's basically more like Curtis LeMay being treated with the dignity of MacArthur. the guy was opposed to the Vietnam war because he saw it as a waste and LeMay was relegated to being a third party vp. MacArthur wasn't a "let's just bomb all foreign enemies into the stone age and string up hippies domestically" guy.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Thats a dangerous position to take since Jackson is basically our timelines MacArthur who is nationally known as a war hero. But go ahead, I'm sure MacArthur had opponents like this.

yeah the issue is that it's basically more like Curtis LeMay being treated with the dignity of MacArthur. the guy was opposed to the Vietnam war because he saw it as a waste and LeMay was relegated to being a third party vp.

Jonathan Jackson's military career (accepted by OPs) is almost identical (nearly 90%) to MacArthur's. All of his military operations are more or less the same. He is the MacArthur of this TL. His (accepted by OPs) app shows him to be great military leader. If you had problems with it, you should have said so before my app was accepted.

I understand that you want to win the primaries, but suddenly trying to retcon my app and my character's military career (which I detailed in very much detail over many paragraphs just to make sure it is available to everyone) is wrong; especially it is based on your assessment of what Jackson is and isn't.

[Louisianan]

yeah the issue is that it's basically more like Curtis LeMay being treated with the dignity of MacArthur. the guy was opposed to the Vietnam war because he saw it as a waste and LeMay was relegated to being a third party vp.

Jonathan Jackson's military career (accepted by OPs) is almost identical (nearly 90%) to MacArthur's. All of his military operations are more or less the same. He is the MacArthur of this TL. His (accepted by OPs) app shows him to be great military leader. If you had problems with it, you should have said so before my app was accepted.

I understand that you want to win the primaries, but suddenly trying to retcon my app and my character's military career (which I detailed in very much detail over many paragraphs just to make sure it is available to everyone) is wrong; especially it is based on your assessment of what Jackson is and isn't.

Alright, lets cool stuff down here. Fraser and his campaign can say whatever they'd like to say about Jackson. BUT remember, just because it is touted as true, doesn't make it so. I'm sure Cyber has no animosity towards you or Jackson, but for obvious reasons, Fraser does. Take it out on the characters, not on each other. In another RP the presidential primary started going in a similar way like this one is, where the OOC just got very toxic, and I'd like to stop that from happening here. Limit arguments to TG's from now on, Thanks!!!

[Sao Nova Europa]

I understand that, and I agree with you that Fraser can criticize Jackson of course. What I objected to was trying to retcon parts of my application, which was reviewed and accepted by the OPs. It is one thing for Fraser to criticize IC, and another to claim that Jackson did not do things which the application biography (accepted by OPs) said he did.

Also, I do not believe that stating this is 'drama'. I've never been involved in OOC fighting and if you do remember, when there was OOC 'drama' in this thread, I actually called for people to cool off. I believe it is somewhat unfair to conflate me clarifying something with 'toxic rhetoric' since I believe I've been polite and never involved in impolite arguments with anyone in these forums.

Anyway, rest assured that I have no wish to be confrontational.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

yeah the issue is that it's basically more like Curtis LeMay being treated with the dignity of MacArthur. the guy was opposed to the Vietnam war because he saw it as a waste and LeMay was relegated to being a third party vp.

Jonathan Jackson's military career (accepted by OPs) is almost identical (nearly 90%) to MacArthur's. All of his military operations are more or less the same. He is the MacArthur of this TL. His (accepted by OPs) app shows him to be great military leader. If you had problems with it, you should have said so before my app was accepted.

I understand that you want to win the primaries, but suddenly trying to retcon my app and my character's military career (which I detailed in very much detail over many paragraphs just to make sure it is available to everyone) is wrong; especially it is based on your assessment of what Jackson is and isn't.

My point is that the type of career MacArthur was capable of meant having the politics that he had. I mean it's sort of like the refusal to allow anyone liberal leaning on race to be a southern senator, nevermind the fact that was literally a thing in the form of Lyndon Johnson.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Jonathan Jackson's military career (accepted by OPs) is almost identical (nearly 90%) to MacArthur's. All of his military operations are more or less the same. He is the MacArthur of this TL. His (accepted by OPs) app shows him to be great military leader. If you had problems with it, you should have said so before my app was accepted.

I understand that you want to win the primaries, but suddenly trying to retcon my app and my character's military career (which I detailed in very much detail over many paragraphs just to make sure it is available to everyone) is wrong; especially it is based on your assessment of what Jackson is and isn't.

My point is that the type of career MacArthur was capable of meant having the politics that he had.

I mean it's sort of like the refusal to allow anyone liberal leaning on race to be a southern senator, even nevermind the fact that was literally a thing in the form Lyndon Johnson.

Not really. Jackson is somewhat to the right of rl MacArthur (and that is explained in the biography), but that doesn't really affect his military skills. It also needs to be said that Jackson has shown that he can be moderate when needed, from considering Fraser for VP to (without revealing anything) making offers to other moderates for the VP candidacy to trying to appeal to national unity. You shouldn't confuse populist rhetoric with Jackson being hardline and unable to compromise; rhetoric doesn't always matches actions, and Jackson has shown more than once willingness to accommodate moderate and even liberal Republicans by offering them offices (and even some policy compromises down the road, when the time reaches).

Anyway, for Jackson's military career, you can read the biography in my (reviewed and accepted by OPs) application. This isn't up for debate and I am not changing my app.

[Newne Carriebean7]

Alright people can ask questions from Sharp, he held a speech in his backyard, sort of goin for a "front porch" deal.

[Hopal]

Should we officially announce the embargo of Cuba?

[Louisianan]

Should we officially announce the embargo of Cuba?

It's still a bit early for it.

[Newne Carriebean7]

In your guts you know he's nuts.

[Hopal]

Should we officially announce the embargo of Cuba?

It's still a bit early for it.

OK, but I'll have Claiborne call Davis tomorrow to clear things out.

[Louisianan]

Just so y'all know, if you're running races like Sen. Sharp, you always will have an opponent, and you'll for sure have a primary opponent if you make unpopular decisions, therefore, Sen Sharp has an NPC Dem and Rep Opponent.

[Deblar]

Damn, Sharp need to take a chill-pill

[Louisianan]

This is a pre-emptive step into having the Bay of Pigs invasion, it is up to the next administration if it is authorized or not.

[Deblar]

Wow, Sharp’s speech was...interesting to say the least

[Newne Carriebean7]

Wow, Sharp’s speech was...interesting to say the least

one part racist and one part unintelligible.

I think his age is starting to show unfortunately.

[Deblar]

Wow, Sharp’s speech was...interesting to say the least

one part racist and one part unintelligible.

I think his age is starting to show unfortunately.

My favorite part is probably “Christ on a [REDACTED]-covered bike”

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

been busy lately, might be able to IC/do congress tomorrow.

[Hopal]

Douglas isn't going to run for president, not now at least. He just got elected to public office a few months ago, he doesn't really have any name recognition, he doesn't really have any resources, he isn't going to win. And I don't think his constituents will be happy with him wasting time and money on a hopeless presidential run and not instead on helping and understanding them. His constituents still don't what kind of a representative he will be, and a presidential run certainly won't help his chances at re-election.

[Deblar]

Well, I should have a post up for Gerald Marshal's funeral by this time next week

[Louisianan]

Sharp ought to campaign up north, with a pre-written, no way he's winning the white house without the North, and he has to look semi-professional up there XDD

[Newne Carriebean7]

Sharp ought to campaign up north, with a pre-written, no way he's winning the white house without the North, and he has to look semi-professional up there XDD

You mean that rambling on about a slew of unrelated topics then weakly tying it to attack Senator Fraser or Senator Boone's not an effective campaign strategy?
Sharp'll have to take some notes on this info.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

posting today

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

sorry just busy with right now, tomorrow for sure.

[Louisianan]

sorry just busy with right now, tomorrow for sure.

Can't wait!!!