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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:01 pm

Should also point out, Fraser never attacks the current occupant of the white house or even the republican establishment it's self in his speech. In fact based on everything he's said in the past it'd make most sense to assume he's talking about Dixiecrats and their supporters, or at most Jackson and his supporters.

Thinking that he's criticizing the President, who he literally cited positively in his presidential announcement speech, is just another example of unfortunately consistent rubbish.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:16 pm

Posted Jackson speech. National unity will be a big focus of the Jackson campaign. I also mentioned tax cuts, swift victory in Vietnam and mentioned briefly that Jackson has the backing of the people, and not the establishment. 8)
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Postby Deblar » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:31 pm

Free Ward Marchers wrote:Things coming up:
Primary starts in both Alaska senate races and the Alaska At-Large race
Second Unofficial Presidential Poll
Update on Vietnam
"Special" Event you will learn about later

Since we admitted Alaska, when are we gonna admit Hawaii?

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Postby Louisianan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:33 pm

Deblar wrote:
Free Ward Marchers wrote:Things coming up:
Primary starts in both Alaska senate races and the Alaska At-Large race
Second Unofficial Presidential Poll
Update on Vietnam
"Special" Event you will learn about later

Since we admitted Alaska, when are we gonna admit Hawaii?

Either IRL time, or earlier/ later if a bill is proposed to do it :O

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Postby Hopal » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:35 pm

Free Ward Marchers wrote:Things coming up:
Primary starts in both Alaska senate races and the Alaska At-Large race
Second Unofficial Presidential Poll
Update on Vietnam
"Special" Event you will learn about later

I wonder what the special event will be.
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Postby Louisianan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:57 pm

Just to clarify, the only people who need to worry about being called dumb are those who didn't read the bill XD

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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:02 pm

A swift death-glare was sent to Sharp
I take it voting against what the majority whip wants isn't going over too well with Boone. But at least Sharp's sticking to his principle of consistency. He decided to be against this constitutional amendment from his interviews and campaign rallies and he'll remain consistent.

Honestly Sharp at this rate's just a stubborn old grandpa who won't move out of his house and into a retirement home.
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Postby Louisianan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:10 pm

Newne Carriebean7 wrote:A swift death-glare was sent to Sharp
I take it voting against what the majority whip wants isn't going over too well with Boone. But at least Sharp's sticking to his principle of consistency. He decided to be against this constitutional amendment from his interviews and campaign rallies and he'll remain consistent.

Honestly Sharp at this rate's just a stubborn old grandpa who won't move out of his house and into a retirement home.

The DNC will stop funding your campaign, and so will a majority of the local Democratic party groups, so it isn't going to go over too well with anyone.

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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:13 pm

Just to be absolutely clear: changing the senate rules by establishing a new senate precedent by voting against the chair won't be allowed? Because if the filibuster is going to act like a de-facto veto that can't ever be removed,, it's going to change how I'll do things going forward.

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Postby Louisianan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:17 pm

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Just to be absolutely clear: changing the senate rules by establishing a new senate precedent by voting against the chair won't be allowed? Because if the filibuster is going to act like a de-facto veto that can't ever be removed,, it's going to change how I'll do things going forward.

Voting against your parties whip is going to cause damage to your credibility, and electability within the party, unless of course the district or state you're from wants a certain thing. Even if you say it's something your state would want, and in reality, it doesn't matter to them or its untrue, you will face backlash from your party. The chair and the party leader is two different things. You can vote against your party anytime you want, but remember, it won't always end nicely.

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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:20 pm

Louisianan wrote:
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Just to be absolutely clear: changing the senate rules by establishing a new senate precedent by voting against the chair won't be allowed? Because if the filibuster is going to act like a de-facto veto that can't ever be removed,, it's going to change how I'll do things going forward.

Voting against your parties whip is going to cause damage to your credibility, and electability within the party, unless of course the district or state you're from wants a certain thing. Even if you say it's something your state would want, and in reality, it doesn't matter to them or its untrue, you will face backlash from your party. The chair and the party leader is two different things. You can vote against your party anytime you want, but remember, it won't always end nicely.


the whip is different than the chair though, who is also different from the leader.

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:24 pm

Primaries getting really heated. Considering that my first choice for VP nominee is still Fraser, will have to think really hard how to justify it after all this. :p
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:24 pm

Louisianan wrote:
Newne Carriebean7 wrote:A swift death-glare was sent to Sharp
I take it voting against what the majority whip wants isn't going over too well with Boone. But at least Sharp's sticking to his principle of consistency. He decided to be against this constitutional amendment from his interviews and campaign rallies and he'll remain consistent.

Honestly Sharp at this rate's just a stubborn old grandpa who won't move out of his house and into a retirement home.

The DNC will stop funding your campaign, and so will a majority of the local Democratic party groups, so it isn't going to go over too well with anyone.

Well if being consistent gets Sharp a lighter wallet and campaign schedule, then Sharp would rather be consistent in his beliefs, even if now he'll have to either realize that he might have to scrounge up the white house and maybe hire someone to try and raise money for his campaign.

He's going to bank on people having a short attention span to the vote of some senator from the deep south, so long as his political opponents don't bring it up and force him on the defensive in having to explain his decision making when voting against his own party.

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Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Just to be absolutely clear: changing the senate rules by establishing a new senate precedent by voting against the chair won't be allowed? Because if the filibuster is going to act like a de-facto veto that can't ever be removed,, it's going to change how I'll do things going forward.

Voting against your parties whip is going to cause damage to your credibility, and electability within the party, unless of course the district or state you're from wants a certain thing. Even if you say it's something your state would want, and in reality, it doesn't matter to them or its untrue, you will face backlash from your party. The chair and the party leader is two different things. You can vote against your party anytime you want, but remember, it won't always end nicely.


Yeah Sharp's going to face almost as much backlash as he would if he decided to jump ship entirely from the Democrats and become an Independent. Just to be clear I'm not going to do this. Sharp will remain a Democrat. I mean Sharp's stubborn, but not stupid enough to have his senate bid go down to governor fredricks for being an independent. If he's going to lose his seat he'll lose it as a Democrat rather than an Independent.

Yeah Sharp and Boone aren't exactly on speaking terms right now.. I'd say their political relationship is now "It's complicated". It's going to be a whole lot of black eyes verbally from Sharp on the campaign trail and during debates on bills.
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Postby Louisianan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:28 pm

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Louisianan wrote:Voting against your parties whip is going to cause damage to your credibility, and electability within the party, unless of course the district or state you're from wants a certain thing. Even if you say it's something your state would want, and in reality, it doesn't matter to them or its untrue, you will face backlash from your party. The chair and the party leader is two different things. You can vote against your party anytime you want, but remember, it won't always end nicely.


the whip is different than the chair though, who is also different from the leader.

I legit just said this. The Chair and the Leader and the Whip are all different things.

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Postby Louisianan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:32 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Primaries getting really heated. Considering that my first choice for VP nominee is still Fraser, will have to think really hard how to justify it after all this. :p

Don't pick VP's yet. The election is more than a year away, and since Cyber now knows you were thinking about choosing Fraser, Meta-Gaming may occur. You have got to roleplay that stuff out, when the time comes, you can't just decide based on OOC conversations.

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:45 pm

Alright. Though I have to prepare my White House team, since I'm winning the elections. 8) 8) 8)
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"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:45 pm

no I knew this before

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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:47 pm

Louisianan wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Primaries getting really heated. Considering that my first choice for VP nominee is still Fraser, will have to think really hard how to justify it after all this. :p

Don't pick VP's yet. The election is more than a year away, and since Cyber now knows you were thinking about choosing Fraser, Meta-Gaming may occur. You have got to roleplay that stuff out, when the time comes, you can't just decide based on OOC conversations.


anyway the guy implied Tom's wife is a crypto-socialist, what type of sniveling coward takes his wife being insulted like that?

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Postby Louisianan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:48 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Alright. Though I have to prepare my White House team, since I'm winning the elections. 8) 8) 8)

Don't be too cocky. Who shows up to the polls doesn't matter, what matters is who shows up to vote in the primary and the general. In most cases, Moderates don't show up to vote in the primaries, while Extremists do, so on that stand, Jackson already has an advantage.

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Postby Louisianan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:48 pm

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Louisianan wrote:Don't pick VP's yet. The election is more than a year away, and since Cyber now knows you were thinking about choosing Fraser, Meta-Gaming may occur. You have got to roleplay that stuff out, when the time comes, you can't just decide based on OOC conversations.


anyway the guy implied Tom's wife is a crypto-socialist, what type of sniveling coward takes his wife being insulted like that?

A good politician XDDDD

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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:50 pm

Louisianan wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Alright. Though I have to prepare my White House team, since I'm winning the elections. 8) 8) 8)

Don't be too cocky. Who shows up to the polls doesn't matter, what matters is who shows up to vote in the primary and the general. In most cases, Moderates don't show up to vote in the primaries, while Extremists do, so on that stand, Jackson already has an advantage.


pretty sure moderates showed up in 1976, for the matter in so far as there were primaries to vote for, moderates won every except goldwater until 1980

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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:51 pm

Louisianan wrote:
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
anyway the guy implied Tom's wife is a crypto-socialist, what type of sniveling coward takes his wife being insulted like that?

A good politician XDDDD

Sharp? I think he wouldn't mind Velma getting cussed at. So long as she cleans the kitchen and does his dirty laundry Sharp's pretty happy with his marriage. I mean if his wife messes up he'd probably insult her.
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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:52 pm

Louisianan wrote:
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
anyway the guy implied Tom's wife is a crypto-socialist, what type of sniveling coward takes his wife being insulted like that?

A good politician XDDDD


looking at the list of presidents, can't see a single guy that'd take that, so you'd be wrong.

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:56 pm

I can see however in the list of presidents people who did insult and became presidents. 8)
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- Guo Jing ‘The Brave Archer’.

“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
- Sun Tzu

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Postby Louisianan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:57 pm

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Louisianan wrote:Don't be too cocky. Who shows up to the polls doesn't matter, what matters is who shows up to vote in the primary and the general. In most cases, Moderates don't show up to vote in the primaries, while Extremists do, so on that stand, Jackson already has an advantage.


pretty sure moderates showed up in 1976, for the matter in so far as there were primaries to vote for, moderates won every except goldwater until 1980

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Louisianan wrote:A good politician XDDDD


looking at the list of presidents, can't see a single guy that'd take that, so you'd be wrong.


I'll explain and I'll use small words so that you'll be sure to understand, TAKE. A. JOKE. STOP. BEING. SO. SERIOUS. It is mentally draining

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