Home of The Brave: A 1960's Political RP

[Hopal]

yes this bill would be largely symbolic

ahhhhh.

do people in here think people tried to implement stuff like VRA, CRA and the ERA in the 60s because they thought it'd be symbolic and actually the usa was free of gender and racial discrimination?

Douglas is running low on defenses and can't think of more.

[Louisianan]

yes this bill would be largely symbolic

ahhhhh.

do people in here think people tried to implement stuff like VRA, CRA and the ERA in the 60s because they thought it'd be symbolic and actually the usa was free of gender and racial discrimination?

Gender and Racial discrimination was accepted at this time by many people, in many parts of the country, and most people really didn't care, besides from those who were being discriminated against of course.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

ahhhhh.

do people in here think people tried to implement stuff like VRA, CRA and the ERA in the 60s because they thought it'd be symbolic and actually the usa was free of gender and racial discrimination?

Douglas is running low on defenses and can't think of more.

calling a bill symbolic isn't "defense", it's unconditional surrender.

[Hopal]

Douglas is running low on defenses and can't think of more.

calling a bill symbolic isn't "defense", it's unconditional surrender.

Douglas' weaknesses include talking to much and being weak and indecisive.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

calling a bill symbolic isn't "defense", it's unconditional surrender.

Douglas' weaknesses include talking to much and being weak and indecisive.

hmm, fair.

[Louisianan]

Go ask questions!

[Sao Nova Europa]

Sorry Louisianan, couldn't resist asking this question

[Newne Carriebean7]

*Sharp laughs*

[Louisianan]

*Sharp laughs*

*Henry Answers with pride*

[Madrinpoor]

What if instead of the Affirmative Action bill, we began discussing a bill that does the opposite? Remember when I talked to the president and he said he would rather fund minority-area schools and stop segregation to provide an equal oppurtunity than use "reverse racism"? Then we could pass laws that force housing, education, and job areas make things more colorblind in regards to race and sex, just looking at qualifications instead. Would that get any support? I want to know before I write it.

[Hopal]

What if instead of the Affirmative Action bill, we began discussing a bill that does the opposite? Remember when I talked to the president and he said he would rather fund minority-area schools and stop segregation to provide an equal oppurtunity than use "reverse racism"? Then we could pass laws that force housing, education, and job areas make things more colorblind in regards to race and sex, just looking at qualifications instead. Would that get any support? I want to know before I write it.

Douglas would probably co-sponsor such a bill considering what he is trying to argue on the house floor right now.

[Louisianan]

What if instead of the Affirmative Action bill, we began discussing a bill that does the opposite? Remember when I talked to the president and he said he would rather fund minority-area schools and stop segregation to provide an equal oppurtunity than use "reverse racism"? Then we could pass laws that force housing, education, and job areas make things more colorblind in regards to race and sex, just looking at qualifications instead. Would that get any support? I want to know before I write it.

I think so.

[Louisianan]

I am warning you Cyber, that kind of attacks on the GOP establishment (old men) aren't doing you any favors with the RNC or the President. Cease or prepare for the backlash.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

What if instead of the Affirmative Action bill, we began discussing a bill that does the opposite? Remember when I talked to the president and he said he would rather fund minority-area schools and stop segregation to provide an equal oppurtunity than use "reverse racism"? Then we could pass laws that force housing, education, and job areas make things more colorblind in regards to race and sex, just looking at qualifications instead. Would that get any support? I want to know before I write it.

The Frasers will generally oppose "separate but equal" agenda. However would support desegregating communities in the first place/redlining instead of busing.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

I am warning you Cyber, that kind of attacks on the GOP establishment (old men) aren't doing you any favors with the RNC or the President. Cease or prepare for the backlash.

look if you're insistent on making it impossible to run a kennedy-esque campaign because you rather play around with segregationist-wank alternate history, be my guest, I'll do what's fun and leave everyone else to decide if the stuff I'm doing makes more sense than stuff like a federally funded Caucasian task force passing the house of representatives.

[Louisianan]

I am warning you Cyber, that kind of attacks on the GOP establishment (old men) aren't doing you any favors with the RNC or the President. Cease or prepare for the backlash.

look if you're insistent on making it impossible to run a kennedy-esque campaign because you rather play around with segregationist-wank alternate history, be my guest, I'll do what's fun and leave everyone else to decide if the stuff I'm doing makes more sense than stuff like federally funded Caucasian task force passing the house of representatives.

Kennedy was a democrat, you're playing as a Republican. There is a difference. It was just a fair warning. Go out and directly attack Davis for all I care, but don't whine when the smoke rises, and you've taken mass casualties. You had a choice to be a Republican or a Kennedy-esque democrat, you made your choice. Kennedy esque dems are welcome, they always have been, and there currently is a good bit of them.

[Hopal]

look if you're insistent on making it impossible to run a kennedy-esque campaign because you rather play around with segregationist-wank alternate history, be my guest, I'll do what's fun and leave everyone else to decide if the stuff I'm doing makes more sense than stuff like federally funded Caucasian task force passing the house of representatives.

Kennedy was a democrat, you're playing as a Republican. There is a difference. It was just a fair warning. Go out and directly attack Davis for all I care, but don't whine when the smoke rises, and you've taken mass casualties. You had a choice to be a Republican or a Kennedy-esque democrat, you made your choice. Kennedy esque dems are welcome, they always have been, and there currently is a good bit of them.

I guess the benefit of being in an extremely divided party is there isn't really a powerful establishment.

[Louisianan]

Kennedy was a democrat, you're playing as a Republican. There is a difference. It was just a fair warning. Go out and directly attack Davis for all I care, but don't whine when the smoke rises, and you've taken mass casualties. You had a choice to be a Republican or a Kennedy-esque democrat, you made your choice. Kennedy esque dems are welcome, they always have been, and there currently is a good bit of them.

I guess the benefit of being in an extremely divided party is there isn't really a powerful establishment.

Exactly, the Republicans have a high ground in that regard, but the President can see that may change, so he'll be doing his best to keep the party together.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

look if you're insistent on making it impossible to run a kennedy-esque campaign because you rather play around with segregationist-wank alternate history, be my guest, I'll do what's fun and leave everyone else to decide if the stuff I'm doing makes more sense than stuff like federally funded Caucasian task force passing the house of representatives.

Kennedy was a democrat, you're playing as a Republican. There is a difference. It was just a fair warning. Go out and directly attack Davis for all I care, but don't whine when the smoke rises, and you've taken mass casualties. You had a choice to be a Republican or a Kennedy-esque democrat, you made your choice. Kennedy esque dems are welcome, they always have been, and there currently is a good bit of them.

If anything it was harder to run that type of campaign in the democratic party because not only did you have to deal with Dixiecrats, you had to deal with very strong political machines that had been winning elections for decades at this point. Goldwater was able to overpower the republican establishment from the right with a bunch of transplanted Dixiecrats, because he was going up against an extremely weak Northeastern establishment that needed to drag in a war hero so non-partisan the democrats were trying to draft him, in order to win the presidency.

There's also the fact that fundamentally, Fraser's critiques of that establishment are largely rhetorical and generation based. He is not challenging the free market orthodoxy of the party, nore it's connections to wall-street. He is attempting to give the northeastern establishment the chance to renew its self to protect against Jackson's populist conservativism.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

I guess the benefit of being in an extremely divided party is there isn't really a powerful establishment.

Exactly, the Republicans have a high ground in that regard, but the President can see that may change, so he'll be doing his best to keep the party together.

Extremely ahistorical. You had party machines in the north and Dixiecrats in the south. Getting Kennedy through was a slog.

[Free Ward Marchers]

Things coming up:
Primary starts in both Alaska senate races and the Alaska At-Large race
Second Unofficial Presidential Poll
Update on Vietnam
"Special" Event you will learn about later

[Hopal]

Exactly, the Republicans have a high ground in that regard, but the President can see that may change, so he'll be doing his best to keep the party together.

Extremely ahistorical. You had party machines in the north and Dixiecrats in the south. Getting Kennedy through was a slog.

But Kennedy had the added benefit of being of the right family, he was part of a political family his father Joe Kennedy Jr. was an Ambassador and was extremely rich, it was a perfect match that isn't easily replicated and probably wouldn't happen again if redone. But Kennedy was Catholic and that did hold him back a little. I'm sure about Fraser's financial situation, but it will be an uphill battle running such a campaign.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

Extremely ahistorical. You had party machines in the north and Dixiecrats in the south. Getting Kennedy through was a slog.

But Kennedy had the added benefit of being of the right family, he was part of a political family his father Joe Kennedy Jr. was an Ambassador and was extremely rich, it was a perfect match that isn't easily replicated and probably wouldn't happen again if redone. But Kennedy was Catholic and that did hold him back a little. I'm sure about Fraser's financial situation, but it will be an uphill battle running such a campaign.

Fraser was born on the lower end of upper class, enough to be a junior executive at US steel straight out of university and a senior executive at ford motor company after ww2. his current wealth is supposed to be Kennedy range and his position in the republican party is similar to that as Nelson Rockefeller, just without a Nixon to contend with.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Things coming up:
Primary starts in both Alaska senate races and the Alaska At-Large race
Second Unofficial Presidential Poll
Update on Vietnam
"Special" Event you will learn about later

Great. BTW, I am just writing my campaign speech post, so is it possible to delay the poll for two - three hours until I have posted the speech?

[Free Ward Marchers]

Things coming up:
Primary starts in both Alaska senate races and the Alaska At-Large race
Second Unofficial Presidential Poll
Update on Vietnam
"Special" Event you will learn about later

Great. BTW, I am just writing my campaign speech post, so is it possible to delay the poll for two - three hours until I have posted the speech?

its happening next week, so go for it