Home of The Brave: A 1960's Political RP

[Louisianan]

I don’t what that last cong post even meant lmao not touching any of that, Sharp can keep speaking

the purpose is to change the filibuster rules by precedent by saying that legislation that enforces existing constitutional amendments only need a majority vote, and then if/when the chair rejects this, appeal the ruling. Then all you need is a majority to agree to the appeal, then the new precedent is set.


In theory you can use this to kill all fillibusters, but the argument here is very narrow and that doing this in this specific case is fine because this isn't normal legislation, it's legislation to enforce a constitutional amendment, that already got a super majority from a previous congress AND state ratification.

look up "Senate Votes to Change Filibuster Rules" and you'll fine the same move being pulled to get presidential nominations through the senate despite a filibuster.

The motion to change the rules is out of order in the current time being, as it is only aloud at the beginning of the legislative session which started a few weeks ago IC

[Louisianan]

sooo... Sharp wants to legalize slavery, end African-American citizenship, and demolish the voting rights of African-Americans?

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the purpose is to change the filibuster rules by precedent by saying that legislation that enforces existing constitutional amendments only need a majority vote, and then if/when the chair rejects this, appeal the ruling. Then all you need is a majority to agree to the appeal, then the new precedent is set.


In theory you can use this to kill all fillibusters, but the argument here is very narrow and that doing this in this specific case is fine because this isn't normal legislation, it's legislation to enforce a constitutional amendment, that already got a super majority from a previous congress AND state ratification.

look up "Senate Votes to Change Filibuster Rules" and you'll fine the same move being pulled to get presidential nominations through the senate despite a filibuster.

Never thought I’d be looking up American Senate filibuster legalese but here I am

I'm learning this as we go as well.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

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Never thought I’d be looking up American Senate filibuster legalese but here I am

I'm learning this as we go as well.

I am too, I just new harry reid did the nuclear option in 2013 and went and found it was discussed as a possibility from 1917.

The first half of sofia's statement is pretty much word for word what harry reid said here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnx2UvGvhQA

[Louisianan]

I'm learning this as we go as well.

I am too, I just new harry reid did the nuclear option in 2013 and went and found it was discussed as a possibility from 1917.

The first half of sofia's statement is pretty much word for word what harry reid said here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnx2UvGvhQA

But as I said, this is not 2013, I am going by the rules discussed in 1959 and the option was officially moved by Democratic Party Senators Clinton P. Anderson (1953, 1955, 1957, 1963), George McGovern (1967), and Frank Church (1969), but was defeated or tabled by the Senate each time.

[Newne Carriebean7]

Oh goddamnit boone Sharp had something, he just needed to yammer on enough to find it.
But my hands getting tired from typing on my bed rn so I think Sharp can finally shut up now.

[Dalmannia]

Boone seconded Fraser’s motion for a vote on cloture. Sharp’s ramblings will be useful for the campaign across the South, but Boone’s choice to try to halt Sharp’s filibuster is going to cost him, since him and his base probably don’t actually want this bill to pass. He likely won’t support the bill itself, but can at least use it to appeal to some moderates by seeming a little less cheap and opportunistic.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

Oh goddamnit boone Sharp had something, he just needed to yammer on enough to find it.
But my hands getting tired from typing on my bed rn so I think Sharp can finally shut up now.

You can just copy paste bible extracts or Dixie land lyrics for more words

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

I am too, I just new harry reid did the nuclear option in 2013 and went and found it was discussed as a possibility from 1917.

The first half of sofia's statement is pretty much word for word what harry reid said here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnx2UvGvhQA

But as I said, this is not 2013, I am going by the rules discussed in 1959 and the option was officially moved by Democratic Party Senators Clinton P. Anderson (1953, 1955, 1957, 1963), George McGovern (1967), and Frank Church (1969), but was defeated or tabled by the Senate each time.

It's not 2013, but this shit has been discussed as doable from 1917.

Historically, in 1957, as president of the senate, Nixon was of the opinion the senate can do this.

this is just like segregation not always being being enforceable by law, or Goldwater being a member of the NAACP, recognizing misconceptions of history and using them make historical RPs interesting.

[Newne Carriebean7]

Oh goddamnit boone Sharp had something, he just needed to yammer on enough to find it.
But my hands getting tired from typing on my bed rn so I think Sharp can finally shut up now.

You can just copy paste bible extracts or Dixie land lyrics for more words

lmao good idea

[Louisianan]

But as I said, this is not 2013, I am going by the rules discussed in 1959 and the option was officially moved by Democratic Party Senators Clinton P. Anderson (1953, 1955, 1957, 1963), George McGovern (1967), and Frank Church (1969), but was defeated or tabled by the Senate each time.

It's not 2013, but this shit has been discussed as doable from 1917.

Historically, in 1957, as president of the senate, Nixon was of the opinion the senate can do this.

this is just like segregation not always being being enforceable by law, or Goldwater being a member of the NAACP, recognizing misconceptions of history and using them make historical RPs interesting.

I understand that, but what you need to understand is that it was attempted, and it failed, it failed, it failed and it failed again. Nixon's opinion doesn't matter on the subject as it was not an official ruling from the chair. It was argued as doable in 1917, but it wasn't successfully done for YEARS after.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

It's not 2013, but this shit has been discussed as doable from 1917.

Historically, in 1957, as president of the senate, Nixon was of the opinion the senate can do this.

this is just like segregation not always being being enforceable by law, or Goldwater being a member of the NAACP, recognizing misconceptions of history and using them make historical RPs interesting.

I understand that, but what you need to understand is that it was attempted, and it failed, it failed, it failed and it failed again. Nixon's opinion doesn't matter on the subject as it was not an official ruling from the chair. It was argued as doable in 1917, but it wasn't successfully done for YEARS after.

it failed because people voted against it, lol. So people have to show up and actually support the decision on the chair to get those results. It wasn't automatic.

[Louisianan]

It's been argued as possible for pigs to fly, with rockets and such, but I will not say that pigs can fly, because I've never seen one do so, that is my thought process with regard to motions.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

It's been argued as possible for pigs to fly, with rockets and such, but I will not say that pigs can fly, because I've never seen one do so, that is my thought process with regard to motions.

you yourself literally said it was tried 3 times in the 50s. Those attempts didn't fail by fiat, they had to be voted on. That's history.

[Louisianan]

I understand that, but what you need to understand is that it was attempted, and it failed, it failed, it failed and it failed again. Nixon's opinion doesn't matter on the subject as it was not an official ruling from the chair. It was argued as doable in 1917, but it wasn't successfully done for YEARS after.

it failed because people voted against it, lol. So people have to show up and actually support the decision on the chair to get those results. It wasn't automatic.

No, in most cases it failed because it was tabled, or it failed in vote. In this case, it will fail in vote, I am just warning you so you don't waste your time.

[Louisianan]

It's been argued as possible for pigs to fly, with rockets and such, but I will not say that pigs can fly, because I've never seen one do so, that is my thought process with regard to motions.

you yourself literally said it was tried 4 times in the 50s. Those attempts didn't fail by fiat, they had to be voted on. That's history.

Listen, stop being rude.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

it failed because people voted against it, lol. So people have to show up and actually support the decision on the chair to get those results. It wasn't automatic.

No, in most cases it failed because it was tabled, or it failed in vote. In this case, it will fail in vote, I am just warning you so you don't waste your time.

Motions to table are a mechanic in this RP that need to be played out. So in order for it to be tabled, it actually has to, you know, be tabled.

[Louisianan]

No, in most cases it failed because it was tabled, or it failed in vote. In this case, it will fail in vote, I am just warning you so you don't waste your time.

Motions to table are a mechanic in this RP that need to be played out. So in order for it to be tabled, it actually has to, you know, be tabled.

YOU DID NOT MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE RULES!!!! You made a point of order, and it was noted, I have no clue what you want me to tell you here. We have no Senate leaders to take precedence to table the motion, and on that account any motion to table would have to be seconded, and then probably objected, and then we would have to take a vote in which the motion would still ultimately be tabled.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

Motions to table are a mechanic in this RP that need to be played out. So in order for it to be tabled, it actually has to, you know, be tabled.

YOU DID NOT MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE RULES!!!! You made a point of order, and it was noted, I have no clue what you want me to tell you here.

I didn't make a motion to change the rules, I don't need to. As the wiki on the nuclear option states, it's an option, that uses a point of order, not a motion. That's now changing the rules by precedent works. That's one of the "easter eggs" I found for when you suggested people look up easter eggs. kind sucks to pull that whole thing out from underneath me when I bothered to do the research.

The option needs either be defeated in a vote, or tabled with a motion.

Not allowing this is arbitrarily fortifying the fillibuster into making it unbeatable without a two-thirds majority. Meaning there is basically no consequence to using it as long as you can say you have +33% senators backing you.

[Louisianan]

YOU DID NOT MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE RULES!!!! You made a point of order, and it was noted, I have no clue what you want me to tell you here.

I didn't make a motion to change the rules, I don't need to. As the wiki on the nuclear option states, it's an option, that uses a point of order, not a motion. That's now changing the rules by precedent works. That's one of the "easter eggs" I found for when you suggested people look up easter eggs. kind sucks to pull that whole thing out from underneath me when I bothered to do the research.

The option needs either be defeated in a the vote that it calls for, nor tabled with a motion.

Omg, I'm about to blow up here. Listen, if you want to research and learn a bunch of stuff, then be my guest and do that, but just because you research something that was very unprobable in the first place, then don't whine when it fails. Simple as that! Running the congress is hard, and I do the best I can with the time that I have, so now I ask you, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO????? The Senate President just made a ruling, and will continue to do so, and as of yet, I've had no objections or complaints o the way that Congressional Business has been done, so if you have one, please air it out.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

I didn't make a motion to change the rules, I don't need to. As the wiki on the nuclear option states, it's an option, that uses a point of order, not a motion. That's now changing the rules by precedent works. That's one of the "easter eggs" I found for when you suggested people look up easter eggs. kind sucks to pull that whole thing out from underneath me when I bothered to do the research.

The option needs either be defeated in a the vote that it calls for, nor tabled with a motion.

Omg, I'm about to blow up here. Listen, if you want to research and learn a bunch of stuff, then be my guest and do that, but just because you research something that was very unprobable in the first place, then don't whine when it fails. Simple as that! Running the congress is hard, and I do the best I can with the time that I have, so now I ask you, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO????? The Senate President just made a ruling, and will continue to do so, and as of yet, I've had no objections or complaints o the way that Congressional Business has been done, so if you have one, please air it out.

All you have to do is let the senate vote on the appeal on the decision of the chair. if a majority of the senate votes yes, then the chair's decision stands, otherwise it's overturned.

[Louisianan]

Omg, I'm about to blow up here. Listen, if you want to research and learn a bunch of stuff, then be my guest and do that, but just because you research something that was very unprobable in the first place, then don't whine when it fails. Simple as that! Running the congress is hard, and I do the best I can with the time that I have, so now I ask you, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO????? The Senate President just made a ruling, and will continue to do so, and as of yet, I've had no objections or complaints o the way that Congressional Business has been done, so if you have one, please air it out.

All you have to do is let the senate vote on the appeal on the decision of the chair. if a majority of the senate votes yes, then the chair's decision stands, otherwise it's overturned.

What do you not understand about your appeal being out of order? Your first motion had already received a second, the one to invoke cloture, therefore that is what we were acting on, and the Senate had entered a quorum call. You cannot make an appeal, a motion, or any type of debate during a quorum call in the Senate, that comes before a Cloture vote.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

All you have to do is let the senate vote on the appeal on the decision of the chair. if a majority of the senate votes yes, then the chair's decision stands, otherwise it's overturned.

What do you not understand about your appeal being out of order? Your first motion had already received a second, the one to invoke cloture, therefore that is what we were acting on, and the Senate had entered a quorum call. You cannot make an appeal, a motion, or any type of debate during a quorum call in the Senate, that comes before a Cloture vote.

If it makes things easier, I can to see if this cloture vote fails to get a super majority the first time around, then do the nuclear option. In any case, technically any ruling by the chair on a point of order can be challenged this way.

[Louisianan]

What do you not understand about your appeal being out of order? Your first motion had already received a second, the one to invoke cloture, therefore that is what we were acting on, and the Senate had entered a quorum call. You cannot make an appeal, a motion, or any type of debate during a quorum call in the Senate, that comes before a Cloture vote.

If it makes things easier, I can to see if this cloture vote fails to get a super majority the first time around, then do the nuclear option. In any case, technically any ruling by the chair on a point of order can be challenged this way.

I'm done discussing this, I have stated my stance and that is that. Do whatever the hell you want to do in Congress, but don't whine if it doesn't work out.

[Free Ward Marchers]

well... this is an interesting thing to wake up too

[Louisianan]

well... this is an interesting thing to wake up too

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