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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:57 pm

Meretica wrote:
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I'll post IC, I've got some, uh, massive plans regarding how to advance civil rights.

However, I will say that Wilson-Carter would be pretty much the perfect pick for a VP for Tom Fraser.

On the contrary, I'd argue that Jackson is the best VP pick for a Fraser admin. It would unite the party, maybe drive away a few Dems open to Rep politicians, it'd be more likely to win than Nixon in IRL 1960. A Fraser-WC ticket would just drive away from the conservative right and bring a few liberal Dems open to GOP candidates and escalate the party realignment nationally while also changing how that realignment works.

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Fraser wants to turn the GOP into a Progressive-Liberal-Moderate Party. He does not care about unifying the party. He just wants to make sure that he can hold the north + midwest. Do that and it's basically an automatic win.

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Postby Meretica » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:02 pm

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Meretica wrote:On the contrary, I'd argue that Jackson is the best VP pick for a Fraser admin. It would unite the party, maybe drive away a few Dems open to Rep politicians, it'd be more likely to win than Nixon in IRL 1960. A Fraser-WC ticket would just drive away from the conservative right and bring a few liberal Dems open to GOP candidates and escalate the party realignment nationally while also changing how that realignment works.

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Fraser wants to turn the GOP into a Progressive-Liberal-Moderate Party. He does not care about unifying the party. He just wants to make sure that he can hold the north + midwest. Do that and it's basically an automatic win.

Even if he carried the 18 states making up that area, it would only place him at 263. Taking into account that the South would be anti-civil rights and probably push the party the remain where it's currently at, the South would still turn blue, leaving it at 263-167. After that, several western states would probably push back and have 3rd parties or protest votes, splitting the vote and making winning predictions more difficult. You need to add the West Coast to guarantee a victory.

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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:14 pm

Meretica wrote:
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Fraser wants to turn the GOP into a Progressive-Liberal-Moderate Party. He does not care about unifying the party. He just wants to make sure that he can hold the north + midwest. Do that and it's basically an automatic win.

Even if he carried the 18 states making up that area, it would only place him at 263. Taking into account that the South would be anti-civil rights and probably push the party the remain where it's currently at, the South would still turn blue, leaving it at 263-167. After that, several western states would probably push back and have 3rd parties or protest votes, splitting the vote and making winning predictions more difficult. You need to add the West Coast to guarantee a victory.


263 + any two random western states is a win. like literally Hawaii and Alaska would do it.

If there's a 3rd party run, it's entirely possible that could fling a random southern state or sofia fraser's AIDA and/or VERA passes.

One of the worst case scenarios is that leads to just a plurality win and if he loses the presidency to congress, we get to have a story about the conservative betrayal of the republican party because they were upset about losing the primary.

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Postby Meretica » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:16 pm

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Meretica wrote:Even if he carried the 18 states making up that area, it would only place him at 263. Taking into account that the South would be anti-civil rights and probably push the party the remain where it's currently at, the South would still turn blue, leaving it at 263-167. After that, several western states would probably push back and have 3rd parties or protest votes, splitting the vote and making winning predictions more difficult. You need to add the West Coast to guarantee a victory.


263 + any two random western states is a win. like literally Hawaii and Alaska would do it.

If there's a 3rd party run, it's entirely possible that could fling a random southern state or sofia fraser's AIDA and/or VERA passes.

One of the worst case scenarios is that leads to just a plurality win and if he loses the presidency to congress, we get to have a story about the conservative betrayal of the republican party because they were upset about losing the primary.

That's also very true. Lots of scenarios to study and examine here.

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Postby Meretica » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:57 pm

Would anyone happen to have a pro-abortion character?

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Postby Louisianan » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:02 pm

Meretica wrote:Would anyone happen to have a pro-abortion character?

That really isn't a thing in 1959 politics, but I think Sofia Fraser is as close as you'll get with that. Even then, I think she's privately in support while publicly against idk.

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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:10 pm

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Meretica wrote:Would anyone happen to have a pro-abortion character?

That really isn't a thing in 1959 politics, but I think Sofia Fraser is as close as you'll get with that. Even then, I think she's privately in support while publicly against idk.


Sofia Fraser is a closet Eugenic Feminist. She's not about to go out on a limb for it though.

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Postby Meretica » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:11 pm

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Louisianan wrote:That really isn't a thing in 1959 politics, but I think Sofia Fraser is as close as you'll get with that. Even then, I think she's privately in support while publicly against idk.


Sofia Fraser is a closet Eugenic Feminist. She's not about to go out on a limb for it though.

...speaking of eugenics, I think I just had an idea. Thank you.

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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:19 pm

Meretica wrote:
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Sofia Fraser is a closet Eugenic Feminist. She's not about to go out on a limb for it though.

...speaking of eugenics, I think I just had an idea. Thank you.

the thing about the 1950's (which we are still in in accordance to cultural standards) is that abortions were mostly used as a eugenic tool rather than a feminist symbol, so advocating for abortions in the context of women's right is a radical and confusing sentiment in this era. That line of thinking didn't start till the late 60's early 70's
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Postby Louisianan » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:22 pm

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Meretica wrote:...speaking of eugenics, I think I just had an idea. Thank you.

the thing about the 1950's (which we are still in in accordance to cultural standards) is that abortions were mostly used as a eugenic tool rather than a feminist symbol, so advocating for abortions in the context of women's right is a radical and confusing sentiment in this era. That line of thinking didn't start till the late 60's early 70's

If we get that far, it'll be interesting to see some Phyllis Schlafly's and Betty Friedan's do battle

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Postby Meretica » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:24 pm

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Meretica wrote:...speaking of eugenics, I think I just had an idea. Thank you.

the thing about the 1950's (which we are still in in accordance to cultural standards) is that abortions were mostly used as a eugenic tool rather than a feminist symbol, so advocating for abortions in the context of women's right is a radical and confusing sentiment in this era. That line of thinking didn't start till the late 60's early 70's

Maybe earlier feminism movement will start up?

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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:28 pm

Meretica wrote:
Free Ward Marchers wrote:the thing about the 1950's (which we are still in in accordance to cultural standards) is that abortions were mostly used as a eugenic tool rather than a feminist symbol, so advocating for abortions in the context of women's right is a radical and confusing sentiment in this era. That line of thinking didn't start till the late 60's early 70's

Maybe earlier feminism movement will start up?

maybe, anything is possible
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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:43 am

Meretica wrote:
Free Ward Marchers wrote:the thing about the 1950's (which we are still in in accordance to cultural standards) is that abortions were mostly used as a eugenic tool rather than a feminist symbol, so advocating for abortions in the context of women's right is a radical and confusing sentiment in this era. That line of thinking didn't start till the late 60's early 70's

Maybe earlier feminism movement will start up?


Why though.

Movements don't really start because one person has an idea, but because a bunch of people have an idea due to conditions in their environment.

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Postby Emazia » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:43 am

Meretica wrote:
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Fraser wants to turn the GOP into a Progressive-Liberal-Moderate Party. He does not care about unifying the party. He just wants to make sure that he can hold the north + midwest. Do that and it's basically an automatic win.

Even if he carried the 18 states making up that area, it would only place him at 263. Taking into account that the South would be anti-civil rights and probably push the party the remain where it's currently at, the South would still turn blue, leaving it at 263-167. After that, several western states would probably push back and have 3rd parties or protest votes, splitting the vote and making winning predictions more difficult. You need to add the West Coast to guarantee a victory.

Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire are unlikely to swing for Fraser, in my opinion.
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:00 am

Emazia wrote:
Meretica wrote:Even if he carried the 18 states making up that area, it would only place him at 263. Taking into account that the South would be anti-civil rights and probably push the party the remain where it's currently at, the South would still turn blue, leaving it at 263-167. After that, several western states would probably push back and have 3rd parties or protest votes, splitting the vote and making winning predictions more difficult. You need to add the West Coast to guarantee a victory.

Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire are unlikely to swing for Fraser, in my opinion.

if Boone wins the nomination, I think Fraser has those areas (as well as the rest of new england & new york) on lockdown. the most I could see Boone winning in that area is New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, and possibly Connecticut & Rhode Island
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Postby Emazia » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:02 am

Free Ward Marchers wrote:
Emazia wrote:Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire are unlikely to swing for Fraser, in my opinion.

if Boone wins the nomination, I think Fraser has those areas (as well as the rest of new england & new york) on lockdown. the most I could see Boone winning in that area is New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, and possibly Connecticut & Rhode Island

And Pennsylvania, since I think that's technically in the Northeast.
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:07 am

Emazia wrote:
Free Ward Marchers wrote:if Boone wins the nomination, I think Fraser has those areas (as well as the rest of new england & new york) on lockdown. the most I could see Boone winning in that area is New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, and possibly Connecticut & Rhode Island

And Pennsylvania, since I think that's technically in the Northeast.

its part of the north east but not new england
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Postby Meretica » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:47 am

Emazia wrote:
Meretica wrote:Even if he carried the 18 states making up that area, it would only place him at 263. Taking into account that the South would be anti-civil rights and probably push the party the remain where it's currently at, the South would still turn blue, leaving it at 263-167. After that, several western states would probably push back and have 3rd parties or protest votes, splitting the vote and making winning predictions more difficult. You need to add the West Coast to guarantee a victory.

Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire are unlikely to swing for Fraser, in my opinion.

Nixon won them; they aren't out of reach.

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Postby Emazia » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:53 am

Meretica wrote:
Emazia wrote:Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire are unlikely to swing for Fraser, in my opinion.

Nixon won them; they aren't out of reach.

My mistake, I originally read them as conservative Republican states due to their rurality.
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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:03 am

for the record, proceeding to the docket means going down the list of proposals, meaning that broussard's hate bill goes first, then the fortify Act, then VREA, the Broussard's price fixing bill, then the medical care act, then AIDA.

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Postby Meretica » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:08 pm

Are bills required to have co-sponsors?

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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:35 pm

Meretica wrote:Are bills required to have co-sponsors?


no but it looks good.

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Character Information Sheet


NS Nation Name: Zohiania
Character Name: Clarisse Jeanette Carré
Character Gender: Female
Character Age: 39
Character Height: 5'6"
Character Weight: 147 lbs
Character Position/Role/Job:
Creighton University (1940-1948) [College of Nursing and School of Law]
Nurse (1945-1950)
Dartmouth College (1949-1953)
Defense Attorney (1950-Present)

Appearance: Image
Character State of Origin: Nebraska
Character State of Residence:
Nebraska (1921-1948, 1953-1955)
Hanover, New Hampshire (1949-1953)
New York, New York (1955-Present)
Character Party Affiliation: Independent (1940-Present)

Main Strengths: Strong Willed, Dedicated, Civil Rights Advocate, Women's Rights Advocate, Well-Read, Well-Educated, Experienced Defense Attorney
Main Weaknesses: Female, Catholic, Civil Rights Advocate, Women's Rights Advocate, Half-Native American (Mixed Race), Husband is Native American
Biography: (Minimum 2-3 paragraphs)

She was born to a poor Catholic family around Bighorn Mountain in Banner County, Nebraska in 1921. Her parents were poor ranchers that lived around Bighorn Mountain. Her mother was an Omaha native American and her father was a half-French half-German Catholic from New Jersey. She lived a simple life, but wished to venture out in the world and do something more. She would teach herself to read using the Bible and what few books her parents were able to buy her over the years. She would work as a rancher with her parents and their neighbors in order to raise some money for herself to pay for schooling. She would eventually move away from her parents to live in Omaha at the age of 17 and worked as an assistant at a local clinic. She would apply to Creighton University at the age of 19 in 1940. Luckily, she managed to secure a scholarship along with her savings to afford her tuition. She would pursue both nursing and law while attending Creighton University. She graduated from the College of Nursing in 1944 and the School of Law in 1948. She would move to Hanover, New Hampshire to attend Dartmouth College for Classical Languages and Literatures where she would learn Greek and Latin. While attending Dartmouth she worked at a local law firm and occasionally assisted a local Catholic clinic run by nuns. Following attending Dartmouth she would move back to Nebraska for two years to work at a law firm in Omaha. While living in Nebraska again she would help her family in renovating their ranch. She also helped to fund and construct a few Catholic churches throughout Nebraska.

After two years of working at a law firm in Omaha, and she would move to New York, New York in 1955. She found employment with a major law firm and began taking civil rights cases in addition to doing criminal cases. She would soon become a strong advocate for civil rights and after experiencing sexism in her workplace and the troubles other women faced would also become a strong advocate for women's rights. She would establish her own 'activist' law firm in 1959 which prioritizes civil rights cases while still working for her current law firm.


Other Info:
Married in 1944 to Catholic Native American from Omaha Tribe
Has three daughters, and two sons
Helps out at soup kitchens run by the the Catholic Church in New York
Member of the New York NAACP Chapter


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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:10 pm

Zohiania wrote:
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Character Information Sheet


NS Nation Name: Zohiania
Character Name: Clarisse Jeanette Carré
Character Gender: Female
Character Age: 39
Character Height: 5'6"
Character Weight: 147 lbs
Character Position/Role/Job:
Creighton University (1940-1948) [College of Nursing and School of Law]
Nurse (1945-1950)
Dartmouth College (1949-1953)
Defense Attorney (1950-Present)

Appearance: (Image)
Character State of Origin: Nebraska
Character State of Residence:
Nebraska (1921-1948, 1953-1955)
New York, New York (1955-Present)
Character Party Affiliation: Independent (1940-Present)

Main Strengths: Strong Willed, Dedicated, Civil Rights Advocate, Women's Rights Advocate, Well-Read, Well-Educated, Experienced Defense Attorney
Main Weaknesses: Female, Catholic, Civil Rights Advocate, Women's Rights Advocate, Half-Native American (Mixed Race), Husband is Native American
Biography: (Minimum 2-3 paragraphs)

She was born to a poor Catholic family around Bighorn Mountain in Banner County, Nebraska in 1921. Her parents were poor ranchers that lived around Bighorn Mountain. Her mother was an Omaha native American and her father was a half-French half-German Catholic from New Jersey. She lived a simple life, but wished to venture out in the world and do something more. She would teach herself to read using the Bible and what few books her parents were able to buy her over the years. She would work as a rancher with her parents and their neighbors in order to raise some money for herself to pay for schooling. She would eventually move away from her parents to live in Omaha at the age of 17 and worked as an assistant at a local clinic. She would apply to Creighton University at the age of 19 in 1940. Luckily, she managed to secure a scholarship along with her savings to afford her tuition. She would pursue both nursing and law while attending Creighton University. She graduated from the College of Nursing in 1944 and the School of Law in 1948. She would move to Hanover, New Hampshire to attend Dartmouth College for Classical Languages and Literatures where she would learn Greek and Latin. While attending Dartmouth she worked at a local law firm and occasionally assisted a local Catholic clinic run by nuns. Following attending Dartmouth she would move back to Nebraska for two years to work at a law firm in Omaha. While living in Nebraska again she would help her family in renovating their ranch. She also helped to fund and construct a few Catholic churches throughout Nebraska.

After two years of working at a law firm in Omaha, and she would move to New York, New York in 1955. She found employment with a major law firm and began taking civil rights cases in addition to doing criminal cases. She would soon become a strong advocate for civil rights and after experiencing sexism in her workplace and the troubles other women faced would also become a strong advocate for women's rights. She would establish her own 'activist' law firm in 1959 which prioritizes civil rights cases while still working for her current law firm.


Other Info:
Married in 1944 to Catholic Native American from Omaha Tribe
Has three daughters, and two sons
Helps out at soup kitchens run the the Catholic Church in New York
Member of the New York NAACP Chapter


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ill talk with the co-op's about it but this looks good to me
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Postby Deblar » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:13 pm

Zohiania wrote:
(Image)

Character Information Sheet


NS Nation Name: Zohiania
Character Name: Clarisse Jeanette Carré
Character Gender: Female
Character Age: 39
Character Height: 5'6"
Character Weight: 147 lbs
Character Position/Role/Job:
Creighton University (1940-1948) [College of Nursing and School of Law]
Nurse (1945-1950)
Dartmouth College (1949-1953)
Defense Attorney (1950-Present)

Appearance: (Image)
Character State of Origin: Nebraska
Character State of Residence:
Nebraska (1921-1948, 1953-1955)
New York, New York (1955-Present)
Character Party Affiliation: Independent (1940-Present)

Main Strengths: Strong Willed, Dedicated, Civil Rights Advocate, Women's Rights Advocate, Well-Read, Well-Educated, Experienced Defense Attorney
Main Weaknesses: Female, Catholic, Civil Rights Advocate, Women's Rights Advocate, Half-Native American (Mixed Race), Husband is Native American
Biography: (Minimum 2-3 paragraphs)

She was born to a poor Catholic family around Bighorn Mountain in Banner County, Nebraska in 1921. Her parents were poor ranchers that lived around Bighorn Mountain. Her mother was an Omaha native American and her father was a half-French half-German Catholic from New Jersey. She lived a simple life, but wished to venture out in the world and do something more. She would teach herself to read using the Bible and what few books her parents were able to buy her over the years. She would work as a rancher with her parents and their neighbors in order to raise some money for herself to pay for schooling. She would eventually move away from her parents to live in Omaha at the age of 17 and worked as an assistant at a local clinic. She would apply to Creighton University at the age of 19 in 1940. Luckily, she managed to secure a scholarship along with her savings to afford her tuition. She would pursue both nursing and law while attending Creighton University. She graduated from the College of Nursing in 1944 and the School of Law in 1948. She would move to Hanover, New Hampshire to attend Dartmouth College for Classical Languages and Literatures where she would learn Greek and Latin. While attending Dartmouth she worked at a local law firm and occasionally assisted a local Catholic clinic run by nuns. Following attending Dartmouth she would move back to Nebraska for two years to work at a law firm in Omaha. While living in Nebraska again she would help her family in renovating their ranch. She also helped to fund and construct a few Catholic churches throughout Nebraska.

After two years of working at a law firm in Omaha, and she would move to New York, New York in 1955. She found employment with a major law firm and began taking civil rights cases in addition to doing criminal cases. She would soon become a strong advocate for civil rights and after experiencing sexism in her workplace and the troubles other women faced would also become a strong advocate for women's rights. She would establish her own 'activist' law firm in 1959 which prioritizes civil rights cases while still working for her current law firm.


Other Info:
Married in 1944 to Catholic Native American from Omaha Tribe
Has three daughters, and two sons
Helps out at soup kitchens run the the Catholic Church in New York
Member of the New York NAACP Chapter


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Quite interesting, could come in handy later…

That’s called foreshadowing

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