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A World Divided And Conflicted [OOC/APP/ALT-HISTORY]

Postby Monsone » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:42 pm

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1960-A World Divided And Conflicted

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Where did things go wrong? Was it a wrong turn in Sarajevo 46 years ago? Was it a harsh treaty that killed an empire at its birthplace? Was it an unforeseeable series of events that lead to the deaths of tens of millions? Or was it a balding revolutionary from Russia who managed to set the world alight?

Historical events rarely have one singular catalyst. But 42 years on from the War to End all Wars and a mere 15 from the most destructive conflict in the history of mankind came to an end with the unleashing of the power of the atom, the world has yet to learn from its mistakes, and seemingly bound to repeat them. Instead of mighty fleets being the weapons of diplomacy, nuclear and thermonuclear bombs are. Able to unleash untold destruction, they serve as a harsh reminder of what WW3 might be like. Nation's race to acquire them, to one-up another. No longer are these weapons mere status symbols, they are an essential component of being a world power and are correlated to the status of a nation on the world stage.

Now stuck in a Cold War, the world is divided. The "West" and its allies are led by the US, a seemingly all-powerful nation, a model for the rest of the capitalist and free world to follow. On the other side lies the Soviet Union, a veritable juggernaut of military power and scientific advancement, but a nation often lackluster when it comes to other areas. Between the two blocks of "East" and "West" lies the gray area of nations. Ranging from neutral nations to nations dubbed non-aligned, these nations range in size and strength greatly. But their greatest weapon remains their votes in the UN and their economic potential. Things the East and West alike will attempt to steal for themselves.

But the battle lines have recently blurred. The paths chosen by each side have begun to become less clear, obvious. After the death of Stalin, the East embarked on the liberalization of both society and its economy. Meanwhile, the West has begun to face its own crises. And the nations in between may soon be faced with difficult choices. The future is deeply uncertain, and it will be shaped by those who play their hand correctly.


NOTE: Only changes from our timeline are mentioned. All other historical events occur as they did in real life.

  • The Potsdam Conference grants all of Berlin to the USSR in this timeline. The cost of this was the USSR had to cancel all debts owed to it by France, UK, and the USA.
  • Japan was allowed to keep Korea and Taiwan as well as its own military. However, the military forces Japan was allowed to keep were severely hobbled by reparations that China and the USSR demanded. Furthermore, Japan had to give up all weapons of mass destruction and destroy any projects involving these weapons under allied supervision.
  • An agreement was reached over China, in which the KMT was forced to cede sovereignty over East Turkestan and Mongolia to the Soviets in return for Soviet support ending for the CCP (and in effect eliminating any chance the CCP had to win the Chinese Civil War). Despite this, the terms were very favorable to the Soviets, and many of the CCP higher-ups would successfully end up in other pro-Soviet nations or the Soviet Union itself. To further placate the USSR over the loss of China, the US and UK gave the USSR a total of $7 million in credit to acquire goods from the US and UK.
  • Just like in our timeline, India and Pakistan are partitioned and then given independence in 1947.
  • A more aggressive form of the Molotov Plan is implemented with the intent of rebuilding Eastern Europe and also creating a political climate favorable to pro-Soviet governments. Unlike in our timeline, the emphasis on the heavy industry is lessened in this form of the Molotov Plan. Instead, a greater emphasis is placed on a rapid reconstruction of previously existing infrastructure and industry with the main economic developments to be on agriculture, it's associated industries, light industry, and to a lesser extent, consumer goods.
  • Because there is no Berlin Airlift, there is not a rapid decline in relations between the West and the East. The decline in relations is much more steady and much more gradual.
  • The US forces France to leave Vietnam after the end of WW2, the ensuing conflict between the communist and anti-communist factions in the nation concludes in 1953. The anti-communist forces were aided by China and Japan as well as the US and France, while the USSR and its allies aided the communists. Vietnam is united by communist forces after an eight-year war.
  • Malenkov and Khrushchev along with other members of the Presidium of the Soviet Union remove Beria from power and have him executed after a show trial. Malenkov and Khrushchev join forces to run the USSR with Khrushchev as General Secretary and Malenkov as premier.
  • Walter Ulbricht and Wihelm Pieck are removed from power after the 1953 uprising in East Germany. The head of the Stasi---Wihelm Zaisser---replaces them. This is the start of the era of liberalization in the Eastern Bloc as restrictions on private business are eased mildly and press censorship is relaxed moderately.
  • World's first commercial nuclear power plant opens near Moscow in 1954, the Central Committee of the USSR orders the construction of further nuclear power plants that same year.
  • A Polio vaccine is approved for use in humans. All sides of the Cold War agree to cooperate regarding the eradication of Polio. However, there is suspicion and mistrust between all the nations involved.
  • The Suez Conflict kicks off as a rift forms between the USA, the UK, and France. Ending a year later, the conflict was a botched attempt by European powers to assert themselves. The conflict also pushes Egypt away from the west.
  • Stalin is denounced by Khrushchev in a secret speech that is leaked. This kicks off riots in Poland and Hungary which culminate in the Hungarian Revolution and the Polish October protests. Both events are put down relatively peacefully after limited concessions were made by Khrushchev and Soviet leadership. Mainly small-scale private enterprises are allowed, and a focus on consumer goods is implemented. This is sufficient to quell the protests for the moment.
  • A year after the beginning of destalinization, Malenkov, Molotov, Kaganovich, and Shepilov attempt to remove Khrushchev from power. But at the last minute, Molotov decides to drop out of the plan and remain neutral in the matter. Needless to say, the anti-party group fails, and this leads to Khruschev exiling them and consolidating his power. Zhukov (who had supported Khrushchev during the removal attempt), is promoted to the symbolic position of Premier.
  • In 1957, Sputnik I is launched, and the Space Race is kicked off. Despite the panic over Sputnik I, the actual satellite was just a loud beeping sphere of metal in the sky. Wierd and somewhat cool, but it didn't merit the panic being placed on it. Despite that, the rest of the world begins to work harder on their own space projects.
  • Like IRL, the EEC is formed in 1957. Notably, however, it does include the UK from the outset. Some attribute this to the fact that France and the UK realized they needed each other to stand against the US when necessary.
  • The Brussels World Fair of 1958 serves to showcase the prowess of nations. Wooing the crowds are cars, televisions (some of which are in color), modern jet aircraft, and other technological advances.
  • The Fourth Republic in France collapses. De Gaulle becomes president and the Fifth Republic begins along with the decolonization of French Africa. By 1959, only Algeria and Djibouti remained as French possessions in Africa.
  • The US-Soviet Cultural Agreement kicks off.
  • In 1959, decolonization kicks off in the British Empire. The British are more stubborn in their decolonization processes and as of the beginning of this RP, still controls a good majority of their colonies despite their being civil unrest and even low-intensity wars in many of such lands.


  • The PoD is January 1st, 1946
  • No godmoding or metagaming, please.
  • Please keep a semblance of historical accuracy in mind. I know this is an alternate history RP, but keep a semblance of historical accuracy in mind. Certain nations just cannot do certain things, and some plans just cannot occur because of the political state of the world.
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  • An ORBAT (order of battle) is not mandatory, but highly encouraged. You can include this separately from your application.
  • You must complete the application in full.
  • Please don't cause unnecessary drama in the OOC or bring in external feuds to this RP.
  • Violating any of the above rules three times will result in your removal and banning from the RP.
  • One IRL month will be equal to one IC year. You don't need to post multiple times per month, but expect to post more frequently if you choose to play as a major power or decided to be very active in the IC
  • Not a rule, but try and have some fun


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Population:
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Ideology:
Alliances:
Head of State:
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Total Number of Troops:
Total Manpower:
Number of Surface Warships:
Number of Submarines:
Number of Fighter Aircraft:
Number of Bomber Aircraft:
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History And Lore Changes (Remember that the PoD is 1946): [spoiler][/spoiler]
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RP Nation Name: United States of America

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Postby Monsone » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:53 pm

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Nationstates Name: Monsone
RP Nation Name: The Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR/Soviet Union)

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Postby Dragos Bee » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:48 pm

---Nation Application---

Nationstates Name: United States of America

RP Nation Name: Dragos Bee

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Coat of Arms:
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Population: 179,323,175

GDP: 543.30 USD Billion

Ideology: Liberal Democratic Capitalism

Alliances: 'The West', NATO, SEATO, CENTO.

Head of State: John F. Kennedy.

Head of Government: John F. Kennedy

Legislative Body: The Senate and House of Representatives

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Total Number of Troops: 870,000
Total Manpower: 61.3 million
Number of Surface Warships: 338
Number of Submarines: 48
Number of Fighter Aircraft: 3,626
Number of Bmber Aircraft: 4,481
Number of Transport Aircraft: 910
Number of Helicopters: ~4,000

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History And Lore Changes (Remember that the PoD is 1946):

The US' early intervention in Vietnam, coming soon after the heels of World War II, was expected to be a success but instead resulted in a minor embarrassment to the United States' armed forces, which was successfully blamed on exhaustion from the successful war against the Third Reich. However, when more 'minor embarrassments' resulted from a number of failed interventions in Latin American countries, the humbling that ensued resulted in a retooling of the US Military to better fit the needs of guerilla and counterinsurgency warfare, a retool which worked when US Military advisors helped the Philippines, their ally and partner in Southeast Asia, defeat the communist insurgency in the archipelago and pressured the current leadership to pass a Land Reform Program (with compensation to the landowners) that split up the large hacienda estates into family-sized plots for small farmers.

Upon JFK's election into the Presidency, his senior military and diplomatic advisers had been subtly replaced by a 'New School' of diplomats and military men who had learned from the near-brushes with failure plus the partial alienation of Europe and the Far East from the US due to the compromises made with the USSR due to 'realpolitik'. This 'New School' emphasized the finding and solving, of existing grievances among the masses of the people as opposed to the ruling elites, while at the same time not completely alienating said ruling elites, along with learning about the various cultures of the expanded world the US was involved in. This did not go without a hitch, however, as various 'traditional' politicians opposed the 'soft power' approach taken by the US, especially the compromises with the developing world it itself demanded.

On the home front, the Federal Government granted tacit support to the burgeoning Civil Rights Movement, declaring that it would suppress any violence from anyone, of any side. State legislatures would find themselves pressured to accept integrationists, police were sent in to suppress the Klu Klux Klan and similar groups, yet black seperatists like the Nation of Islam and the Black Panther Party were not treated leniently, either - Every attempt is made to infilitrate and discredit them, as well as deny them press coverage in favor of the more 'palatable' pacifists of the Civil Rights Movement. Nevertheless, the JFK Government is seeing renewed criticism from left and right, the right for doing too much and the left for not doing enough. Not merely that, but the Anti-Communist Hysteria of the 'Red Scare' still exists even with Joseph McCarthy's attempts to turn it into a formal movement nipped in the bud.

The center continues to hold, and all are displeased equally. Will this state of affairs continue?


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Postby United States of Gondor » Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:20 am

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Nationstates Name: United States of Gondor
RP Nation Name: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

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Postby United States of Gondor » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:10 am

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Nationstates Name: United States of Gondor
RP Nation Name: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Flag:
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Coat of Arms:
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Population: 52.2 Million
GDP: 73.23 Million Pounds
Ideology: Parliamentary Republic
Alliances: NATO, Treaty of Brussels
Head of State: King George VI
Head of Government: Prime Minister Clement Attlee
Legislative Body: Parliament

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Total Number of Troops: 700,000
Total Manpower: 25 Million
Number of Surface Warships: 826
Number of Submarines: 131
Number of Fighter Aircraft: 1,000
Number of Bomber Aircraft: 1,000
Number of Transport Aircraft: 1,000
Number of Helicopters: 500

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History And Lore Changes (Remember that the PoD is 1946):
Obviously as of 1946 The British Empire still controls colonies across the world. (I only used the main islands for the numbers, but with the colonies almost everything would be tripled.) Decolonization is going much slower then in real life, and the British as a result don't lose the power and influence that they lost after the Second World War. This changes things, because The Brussels Agreement members don't necessarily join into NATO due to the British having pre-WWII. Eventually the colonies do want independence, but it isn't given freely. This results in many 'proxy-wars' between the British Empire and the Colonies. The Colonies include: South Africa, India, British Honduras,Singapore, Malaya, Hong Kong, Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, Nigeria, Togo, Bermuda, Jamaica, British Guiana, British Cameroon, Palestine,Trans-Jordan, Aden, Oman, South West Africa, North and South Rhodesia, The Gambia, Sierra Leone, Gold Coast, Papa New Guinea, Gibraltar and several other islands scattered through out the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean, as well as the Caribbean. Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are independent. Also Elizabeth doesn't ascend to the throne until later, because King George doesn't dies as soon

Map Color: Light Blue
Do you have prior RP experience (this answer does not affect whether you will be accepted or not):Yes
Did you read the rules? Yes
*Note: I couldn't figure out how to upload the flag or Coat of Arms.

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Postby Kazakah » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:46 am

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RP Nation Name: Dominion of Canada

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✸ THE IMPERIAL DOMINION OF KAZAKAH ✸
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Postby Kazakah » Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:45 am

---Nation Application---

Nationstates Name: Kazakah
RP Nation Name: Dominion of Canada
Flag:
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Coat of Arms:
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Population: 17.9 million
GDP: $40.5 billion
Ideology: Parliamentary Democracy
Alliances: 'The West', NATO, NORAD, The Commonwealth
Head of State: George VI
Head of Government: Louis St. Laurent
Legislative Body: Parliament of Canada

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Total Number of Troops: 100,000
Total Manpower: ~6,000,000
Number of Surface Warships: 177 | 7 Aircraft Carriers, 4 Light Cruisers, 25 Destroyers, 38 Destroyer Escorts, 40 Frigates, 33 Minesweepers, 30 Patrol Vessels
Number of Submarines: 10
Number of Fighter Aircraft:
Number of Bomber Aircraft: 20
Number of Transport Aircraft:
Number of Helicopters:

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History And Lore Changes (Remember that the PoD is 1946):
  • Igor Gouzenko is assassinated in the early months of 1946 following his outing of a Soviet spy ring active in Canada. This catalyzes a greater Canadian red scare. Prime Minister King's government responds with several imprisonemnts and secret executions of supposed spies.
  • Louis St Laurent is elected in 1948 and goes on to co-found NATO and grow Canada's economy.
  • Throughout the 40s and 50s security around Canada's borders in tightened and several military bases are established in the North, leading to the displacement of native Inuit populations. Canada attempts to build nuclear bombs.
  • The Dominion of Newfoundland refuses to join Canada in both 1946 and 1948, leading to tension between political and religious leaders. Some suspect that foreign powers are attempting to influence Newfoundland to get closer to Canada, but nothing is proven.
  • Canada supports the USA in the Vietnam War, but ultimately withdraws troops as it becomes clear the Americans are losing.
  • Many Canadians are fearful of the USSR due to its close proximity and the threat of nuclear warfare. St-Laurent, who campaigned on a "Keep Canada Safe" (not necessarily against the Soviets) platform, wins a third term in 1957 at the age of 75.
  • As of 1960, there are rising anti-government movements against St-Laurent.
  • Canada has emerged stronger than ever after WWII, but can it keep up with its own internal strife and danger possibly lurking at the door?

Map Color: Dark Red
Do you have prior RP experience (this answer does not affect whether you will be accepted or not): Yes
Did you read the rules? Yes

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NOTE: I did some cursory research and I couldn't find out the size of the Canadian military as of 1960, if someone knows and could tell me, that would be greatly appreciated. In my cannon Canada is slightly more militaristic, but nothing crazy. Thanks.
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✸ THE IMPERIAL DOMINION OF KAZAKAH ✸
An ancient nation with a warrior heritage: Might, Valour, and Legally Blonde
National Overview | Our Emperor | Armed Forces


- Imperial Gazette - Government enters negotiations with Langenia and Romextly, creation of the "Iron Pact" underway | Nura Khan crowned as Sultana of Insaanistan | Sharifistan War draws to a close, withdrawal of troops begins

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Postby Monsone » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:08 am

United States of Gondor wrote:-snip-


Looks pretty good. For images, you can just copy their address and then paste it between these two formatting tags .

The population of the UK in 1960 in real life was 52.2 million, and its GDP was $73.23 billion. As for the army size, the British Army had about 520,000 troops in 1960, so across all services that is about 700,000 troops Total manpower is going to be in the 20-30 million range as it includes everyone fit for service who could fight in a war.

Those are really the only things you need to change, other than that, it looks good.

And a quick question. You marked George VI as your head of state, does that mean he didn't die in 1952? If so, that would be an interesting turn of events.
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Postby Cortes de Iberia » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:53 am

---Nation Reservation--- [with question about lore]

Nationstates Name: Cortes de Iberia
RP Nation Name: Spain

Real World History: By 1946 Spain was one of 2 last remaining recognized fascist dictatorships in europe. The other being Portugal. The Soviet Union didn't like this. At all. They were in fact very, very vocal about just how much they didn't like it. But with the civil war resulting in so much exile and death amongst those that would oppose the regime, they didn't find much support for revolution in Spain, hence, all they could really do is keep Spain from joining NATO (which it didn't until 1992) but not much else, and the UN pretty much vetoed every single attempt they made at taking down the regime.

The Question: this seems to be a world where the Soviets had a lot more pull than in ours. As such, my question is, how does this change the state of Spain? I can think of 3 outcomes myself:

1-Federal Monarchy of Spain (Iberian Union) Portugal in our timeline hid behind their alliance with Britain and some shady worded laws to escape the communists' wrath, at least until the Revolución de los Claveles (in the 70s) which took down the regime and turned it into the current socialist democracy it is. On the meantime the USSR didn't pay them much mind because they were out of the way and Spain was a bigger target. Specially since it sent volunteers to fight for the Axis so unlike Portugal it couldn't exactly hide its allegiances.

With a more overbearing USSR, Portugal's weakness and less battered population might make it ripe for a color revolution, and Salazar might have to consider if an alliance with the only other fascist around might be the only way to survive. If this option is taken it's likely Spain would wind up being some kind of pseudo-federal state, with Portugal becoming one of multiple regional Juntas (andalucía, aragon, leon, castille, navarra and the colonial juntas being the others) under Franco. The Cortes are likely reinstated in an attempt to "concede" (in little more than aesthetic) and become "democratic" (in the eyes of NATO, and literally no one else) and the resulting country at least can defend itself from the USSR so long as NATO looks the other way, but will be standing alone (in our timeline Spain didn't manage to reopen its borders until the whole Doñana negotiation in 1969, in this timeline it would be even harder) and better keep its head down.

2-Military Dictatorship of Spain (Radicalized NATO) If the USSR's power causes NATO to be more militaristic instead, they might just drop the act and let Portugal and Spain join earlier than in our timeline, guessing that any ally is a good ally so long as it keeps the reds at bay. In which case I'd be able to just copy-paste the statistics from our timeline, although it's likely it'd have a better economy and weapons of better quality. (CETME was infamous for being really well designed but extremely poorly made, because once NATO protected him Franco guessed he didn't need to BE strong as much as LOOK strong, so quality assurance for spanish military equipment was best described as "you better pray it doesn't get stuck on the first shot lol", as for the economy, well I already mentioned the borders got closed after Franco's attempt at helping the Axis, so if in this timeline NATO is a-ok with spain and reopens its borders it'd be a lot less shit.)

3-Socialist Republic of Spain (commies win) with the USSR growing in power, they prepare a nice and proper revolution, the PCE gets a suspicious amount of supplies and spanish exiles are reorganized (many against their will) and sent back with weapons. NATO looks another way as the country descends into civil war once more and a communist republic is placed at the head. Spain as a result is weaker in basically all ways and becomes yet another puppet of the soviets.

Which option would you prefer me to use?

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Postby Monsone » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:06 pm

Cortes de Iberia wrote:-snip-


Very interesting take. The thing with the USSR having more sway is that the sway and power was something that emerged after WW2. Prior to that, the USSR is identical to IRL, and its involvement in Spain would be similar. Stalin would still want Franco's demise, but that wouldn't be allowed by Churchill and Roosevelt/Truman. After Stalin's death, the USSR would be more focused on itself and its allies as well as the USA and UK. Spain would be an afterthought from 1954 on since Stalin's rage about the Spanish Civil War had pretty much gone to the grave with him.

But because the USSR is becoming a huge threat as it not only rebuilds but massively expands its military, NATO might turn a blind eye to Franco's fascist side and allow Spain to join NATO instead of merely being a major non-NATO ally. So in that case, scenario two. I just can't see scenario three happening because the USSR wouldn't be able to do such an act until well into the late 1950s, by which point Spain is not a high priority for the USSR.

But in the end, it's up to you to choose how you want to play Spain.
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Postby Cortes de Iberia » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:18 pm

Monsone wrote:
Cortes de Iberia wrote:-snip-


Very interesting take. The thing with the USSR having more sway is that the sway and power was something that emerged after WW2. Prior to that, the USSR is identical to IRL, and its involvement in Spain would be similar. Stalin would still want Franco's demise, but that wouldn't be allowed by Churchill and Roosevelt/Truman. After Stalin's death, the USSR would be more focused on itself and its allies as well as the USA and UK. Spain would be an afterthought from 1954 on since Stalin's rage about the Spanish Civil War had pretty much gone to the grave with him.

But because the USSR is becoming a huge threat as it not only rebuilds but massively expands its military, NATO might turn a blind eye to Franco's fascist side and allow Spain to join NATO instead of merely being a major non-NATO ally. So in that case, scenario two. I just can't see scenario three happening because the USSR wouldn't be able to do such an act until well into the late 1950s, by which point Spain is not a high priority for the USSR.

But in the end, it's up to you to choose how you want to play Spain.


I'll go with 2 then. It's the easiest to guess on my part lol. As for 3, funnily enough it's more likely than you think. Why? Well, take into account that the Makis, specially the PCE (note: "Maki" was a term for anti-regime guerrillas, the PCE (partido comunista español) was the spanish soviet puppet, which was classed with the rest due to its enmity despite not having the best of relations with most other groups) were extremely active post ww2, seeing their biggest resurgence from 1945 to 1947. It's not until this latest campaign failed that Stalin, in 1948 pulled back and recalled the PCE, but "scenario 3" basically just describes what he was doing in our timeline, except painting it as successful.

So then likelyhood depends directly on why Franco succeeded at taking the Makis down, and spoilers, it had nothing to do with Franco himself. The Makis were cleared out thanks to the help of the american and british secret services, (the second had made deals with Franco since Chamberlain, and while Churchil went back on a lot of it he still kept enough of an open just in case he needed a plan B, and the first started having deals with Franco on late WW2 in exchange for logistical support and was hoping to gain military bases in andalusia to control the strait, which it did in 1953), so without support from britain and the USA, if say they are both scared enough of getting caught helping Franco by a now more threatening USSR, Franco would've likely gotten murdered in 1945, and that's following our timelines' events, if on top of that the USSR is indeed more active he'd likely have died later.

Either way I must admit I didn't wanna play scenario 3 myself, in fact I added it precisely because it seemed that depending on NATO's strength it might be the most likely and I didn't wanna miss an obvious one. So yeah I'm gladly gonna take scenario 2 and just copy-paste our world's stats if this world's NATO is compatible with it lol.

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Postby Cortes de Iberia » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:21 pm

---Nation Application---

Nationstates Name: Cortes de Iberia
RP Nation Name: Reino de España*
Flag:
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Coat of Arms:
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Population: 31.34 millions******
GDP: $40.99 billions**
Ideology: Nationalcatholicism***
Alliances: NATO
Head of State: Francisco Franco
Head of Government: Francisco Franco (Regent)*
Legislative Body: Cortes Españolas****

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Total Number of Troops: 22,000 officers, 3,000 NCO, 300,000 soldiers, 146,000 military policemen, 5700 marine infantry.
Total Manpower: 12.54 millions*******
Number of Surface Warships: 1 Carrier*****, 1 Heavy Cruiser, 6 Light Cruisers and Similars, 59 Small Ships, 6 Minelayers, 25 Minesweepers, 53 Amphibious Craft, 31 Support Ships. (Undetermined: Auxiliary Cruisers and Tren Naval.)
Number of Submarines: 5
Number of Fighter Aircraft: 376 Hunters, 383 Utility, 13 Artillery Spotters/Utility, 304 Training.
Number of Bomber Aircraft: 672 Fighter-Bomber, 200 Scouting, 19 amphibious, 120 Training.
Number of Transport Aircraft: 10 Personnel, 10 Materiel, 84 Utility.
Number of Helicopters: 16 Light, 21 Utility, 2 Heavy.

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History And Lore Changes (Remember that the PoD is 1946):
-Spain reopens its borders to western countries by 1946 as its ideological differences are seen as less important.
-Spain is also is a cofounder of NATO.
-The PCE guerrillas obtain more funding and operative from the east, causing a harsher internal conflict from 1945-1947, but it still defeats them as it did in our timeline. The scars from the conflict are still however patently visible.
-As a result, and due to the open borders, Spain has to relax its censorship laws, and while public speech is certainly censured, and monitoring is just as harsh, ideological persecution starts softening earlier than in our timeline, and concessions like the "fiestas de invierno" turn into greater concessions such as the return of Carnaval fully. Spaniards come to be known for the humour.
-This in turn means that social unrest doesn't mount on the province of Cadiz as much as it did in our timeline, the Maquis don't get as much local support post, and its supply lines aren't cut. This aids Spain's control of the Strait of Gibraltar and international commerce, specially with America.
-Due to the internal conflict however Spaniards are still suffering from post-war mentality, and since the Regime's political allegiances count on its anti-communist extremism, public broadcasters have begun subjecting the population to an intense propaganda campaign, based on Dominoe theory, and depicting war as an inevitability, and its presence on foreign lands an oportunity to ensure the enemy is cut down before reaching Spain.
-As a result Spain never concedes an inch to morocco, and the initiatives to fully integrate El Rif succeed, ending its protectorate status. This harshens the wars between the two parties but Spain comes out victorious, and with no foreign powers pressing it to abandon it for diplomatic reasons, it takes full control of the region. As a result Spain doesn't suffer from sudden oil scarcity as it did in our timeline.
-The USA-Spain's Pacto de Madrid isn't an independent pact and instead is simply accepted as part of the Marshall plan.
-As a result some outdated military equipment which USA sent Spain due to said pact is given during the 50s, as opposed to the 60s. Most notably Dédalo (R-01), a plane carrier. And Spain's land army reform start eary, which by 1960 doesn't mean much other than added experience with the pentomic formations it used.


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* Despite not having a monarch, the military dictatorship was officialy named "Kingdom of Spain" because to keep the monarchists happy Franco decreed that he was merely a "regent" and would be succeeded by a monarch. Even then wether Spain would be turned into a republic or a monarchy, and if so which monarch would lead it, was a matter of great debate amongst the party and public until Franco oficially took sides on 1969, in favor of monarchy.
**Used 1970 GDP to represent the early economic growth caused by the earlier opening of the border, since indeed Spain GDP on our timeline at 1960 was utterly demolished by "Autarky" caused by Spain's closed borders as a result of ideological differences with the rest of the west which in this timeline don't matter as much and don't cause the border to stay closed as long.
*** As a concession to the west Falange Española abandoned fascism in favor of "nationalcatholithism", an ideology they invented, after the fall of the axis. In practice there is little difference between the two ideologies, mostly revolving around their view of religion. And Nationalcatholicism has been classed as a variant of fascism since the end of the regime.
**** As a concession to the west, the Cortes Españolas were reinstated on 1942. These cortes were hardly comparable to their namesake/predecessors, as parties were outlawed, there were no elections and the chief of state could overturn any of their decissions, but they were supposedly a technocratic pseudo-parliament.
***** Uses hellicopters instead of planes due to its small deck.
****** Added the population of El Rif, which in this timeline was annexed.
******* Aproximation made by me due to lack of solid data. Take into account that Military Service was mandatory and everyone that passed it was considered part of the reserve. (That is to say, as far as the regime was concerned, every able bodied male in the country was part of the reserve.) Hence the proportionally larger manpower when compared based on population.

Further Information on my Puppet's Factbook: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=plague_utopia/detail=factbook/id=1494786
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Postby New New Sriker » Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:25 pm

Looks Interesting, I just have to think about a Nation to play or maybe even a organization

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Postby United States of Gondor » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:33 am

Monsone wrote:
United States of Gondor wrote:-snip-


Looks pretty good. For images, you can just copy their address and then paste it between these two formatting tags .

The population of the UK in 1960 in real life was 52.2 million, and its GDP was $73.23 billion. As for the army size, the British Army had about 520,000 troops in 1960, so across all services that is about 700,000 troops Total manpower is going to be in the 20-30 million range as it includes everyone fit for service who could fight in a war.

Those are really the only things you need to change, other than that, it looks good.

And a quick question. You marked George VI as your head of state, does that mean he didn't die in 1952? If so, that would be an interesting turn of events.

Ok, thank you!

And also I believe I just got confused over the start date. I can fix all of that
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Postby United States of Gondor » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:08 am

Kazakah wrote:snip

Queen Elizabeth doesn't take power until later, as her father, King George, is still alive when we start. I'm thinking about maybe doing a thing where he is assassinated and she then takes power
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Postby Kazakah » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:48 am

United States of Gondor wrote:
Kazakah wrote:snip

Queen Elizabeth doesn't take power until later, as her father, King George, is still alive when we start. I'm thinking about maybe doing a thing where he is assassinated and she then takes power


Hmm. That's very interesting. I like the part about de-colonization being slower in this timeline. I wonder how UK-Canada relations will be affected in all of this? Culturally and politically we take a lot from the Brits, but there have always been those that don't support the monarchy.
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Postby Kazakah » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:53 am

United States of Gondor wrote:-snip-


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You can copy and paste this for your image of your flag. For posting pictures just put [img]image.url[/img]
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Postby United States of Gondor » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:00 am

Kazakah wrote:
United States of Gondor wrote:Queen Elizabeth doesn't take power until later, as her father, King George, is still alive when we start. I'm thinking about maybe doing a thing where he is assassinated and she then takes power


Hmm. That's very interesting. I like the part about de-colonization being slower in this timeline. I wonder how UK-Canada relations will be affected in all of this? Culturally and politically we take a lot from the Brits, but there have always been those that don't support the monarchy.

This is going to be interesting, I guess we'll figure it out. I think de-colonization will not only be slower, but also maybe bloodier, I also thing Elizabeth will ascend to the throne after her father is assassinated by some radical independence movement people. I think that would be a good idea.

Also thank you for the link to the picture
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Postby Cortes de Iberia » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:22 pm

United States of Gondor wrote:
Kazakah wrote:
Hmm. That's very interesting. I like the part about de-colonization being slower in this timeline. I wonder how UK-Canada relations will be affected in all of this? Culturally and politically we take a lot from the Brits, but there have always been those that don't support the monarchy.

This is going to be interesting, I guess we'll figure it out. I think de-colonization will not only be slower, but also maybe bloodier, I also thing Elizabeth will ascend to the throne after her father is assassinated by some radical independence movement people. I think that would be a good idea.

Also thank you for the link to the picture


"Bloodier" is a light way to put it. A lot of so-called decolonization was moved by the UN's interests, those being those of America and the Soviets. So imho with the cold war not looking so cold anymore, the most likely scenario is the following:

America would be far less willing to screw over other NATO countries to plant its own puppets, and is more likely to turn to the monroe/Roosevelt way of thought, that is to say, turn its power into setting iberoamerica in line, and let colonial powers handle doing the same to africa.

Sure, the soviets would be all for decolonization, but this would in essence be seen as the same as North Korea or Vietnam, just more tendrils for communism, so it's likely NATO in essence sees any of the new powers springing from decolonization as just more dominoes falling against them.

Only remaining question would be what the Sauds do, since in our timeline america used them against the soviets and that also drove a lot of decolonization, but I only see that going 2 ways, either they get puppeted, or they get butchered. Really depending more on what they and the turks did than anything else. Most likely the first. Either way they can't ally the soviets (because radical islam sure as hell wasn't something the communists considered in any way acceptable) so their choice is let NATO control them or get double teamed. In our timeline they spread like they did because America was waging economic war against the communists and so needed to pump as much oil as possible and the sauds had a lot of oil. But if the cold war doesn't stay cold, then oil extraction matters more for the war machine, and less for exports, so the sauds would have a lot less leverage as a separate power.

And without the Sauds' funding, radical Islam doesn't spread nearly as far, and without it, the catholic missions and communist propaganda are more effective, so with that, decolonization turns quite literally into a hot war between NATO and Warsaw on foreign lands, not a political matter. It would be ww3, except not in european borders this time around.

(That's why on my alterations for spain I added that they directly annexed El Rif. In our timeline that was proposed multiple times but american pressure kept it from happening, because El Rif had oil and USA saw Morocco as a probable puppet. But in this timeline Franco is the puppet, since he joined NATO and his political possition within it depends on his radical support of this pact, and Morocco would as such be a worse attack dog in the eyes of the USA, harder to control and more likely to betray them. This situation would most likely repeat all over Africa, except most countries would be less willing to directly annex their colonies, seeing as how Falange Española, which was at that point Spain's governing body, was directly anti-racist, claiming that Spain was a concept superior to race, geography or culture and all its subjects should be equal. Whereas most countries had a far worse view of Africa and its people.)

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Postby United States of Gondor » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:47 pm

Cortes de Iberia wrote:
United States of Gondor wrote:This is going to be interesting, I guess we'll figure it out. I think de-colonization will not only be slower, but also maybe bloodier, I also thing Elizabeth will ascend to the throne after her father is assassinated by some radical independence movement people. I think that would be a good idea.

Also thank you for the link to the picture


"Bloodier" is a light way to put it. A lot of so-called decolonization was moved by the UN's interests, those being those of America and the Soviets. So imho with the cold war not looking so cold anymore, the most likely scenario is the following:

America would be far less willing to screw over other NATO countries to plant its own puppets, and is more likely to turn to the monroe/Roosevelt way of thought, that is to say, turn its power into setting iberoamerica in line, and let colonial powers handle doing the same to africa.

Sure, the soviets would be all for decolonization, but this would in essence be seen as the same as North Korea or Vietnam, just more tendrils for communism, so it's likely NATO in essence sees any of the new powers springing from decolonization as just more dominoes falling against them.

Only remaining question would be what the Sauds do, since in our timeline america used them against the soviets and that also drove a lot of decolonization, but I only see that going 2 ways, either they get puppeted, or they get butchered. Really depending more on what they and the turks did than anything else. Most likely the first. Either way they can't ally the soviets (because radical islam sure as hell wasn't something the communists considered in any way acceptable) so their choice is let NATO control them or get double teamed. In our timeline they spread like they did because America was waging economic war against the communists and so needed to pump as much oil as possible and the sauds had a lot of oil. But if the cold war doesn't stay cold, then oil extraction matters more for the war machine, and less for exports, so the sauds would have a lot less leverage as a separate power.

And without the Sauds' funding, radical Islam doesn't spread nearly as far, and without it, the catholic missions and communist propaganda are more effective, so with that, decolonization turns quite literally into a hot war between NATO and Warsaw on foreign lands, not a political matter. It would be ww3, except not in european borders this time around.

(That's why on my alterations for spain I added that they directly annexed El Rif. In our timeline that was proposed multiple times but american pressure kept it from happening, because El Rif had oil and USA saw Morocco as a probable puppet. But in this timeline Franco is the puppet, since he joined NATO and his political possition within it depends on his radical support of this pact, and Morocco would as such be a worse attack dog in the eyes of the USA, harder to control and more likely to betray them. This situation would most likely repeat all over Africa, except most countries would be less willing to directly annex their colonies, seeing as how Falange Española, which was at that point Spain's governing body, was directly anti-racist, claiming that Spain was a concept superior to race, geography or culture and all its subjects should be equal. Whereas most countries had a far worse view of Africa and its people.)

I think it's going to be fine... It'll make it more exciting, besides this all primarily depends on who is The US and The USSR
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Postby Monsone » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:15 am

---Nation Application---

Nationstates Name: Monsone
RP Nation Name: The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Союз Советских Социалистических Республик)
Flag:
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Coat of Arms:
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Population: 210 million
GDP: Unknown (Seriously, the USSR didn't record it's GDP until much later, and any numbers given are but estimates---all metrics place the USSR as the World's 2nd largest economy during this time period)
Ideology: Marxist-Leninisim
Alliances: Warsaw Pact, COMECON
Head of State: Georgy Zhukov
Head of Government: Nikita Khrushchov
Legislative Body: Supreme Soviet

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Total Number of Troops: 3,000,000
Total Manpower: 110 million
Number of Surface Warships: 590
Number of Submarines: 385
Number of Fighter Aircraft: 4,500
Number of Bomber Aircraft: 2,402
Number of Transport Aircraft: 1,500
Number of Helicopters: 1,695

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History And Lore Changes (Remember that the PoD is 1946):
  • After the Potsdam Conference, Stalin creates a secret plan for the future of the USSR; this plan is ignored.
  • After Stalin's death in 1953, a Troika is formed.
  • In 1954 the Troika is dissolved and Khrushchev takes over with Malenkov. With the need for economic reform becoming clear as the average worker found themselves with more and more money, Malenkov is allowed to being liberal economic reforms focused on agriculture, light industry, and rebuilding the nation after the horrors of WW2.
  • The 1956 Hungarian Uprising is ended peacefully with limited concessions from the USSR regarding the economies and societies of Eastern Europe.
  • Malenkov and other members of the anti-party movement are removed from power by Khrushchev. Georgy Zhukov becomes Premier.
  • Parts of the NEP are established in 1957, this allows the return of private enterprise to the USSR. Similarly, censorship is relaxed.
  • In 1958 and 1959, the Soviet Union embarked on soft-power policies to show the less militaristic side of the USSR. Despite this, military spending was hiked to keep up with the West. Meanwhile, some timid attempts at raprochment were made with the west.

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Postby Plague Utopia » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:39 pm

United States of Gondor wrote:
Cortes de Iberia wrote:


Oh don't worry I know well this isn't an actual effort on historical exploration, it's an RP after all and it wouldn't be fun if we just did the exact same thing as history would have us do, because there would be no questions as to what everyone will do, and therefore, wether or not an action is wise. I was only describing how it'd have gone, the USA and USSR players will have to decide wether to go with the obvious path or trie and be more moral than our reality's politicians.

This is partially why I chose Spain. I mean, the fact that I'm Spanish myself and know the culture and history quite well was also part of that for sure. But there's also the point that Franco, as much as I hate the man, is quite an interesting character for such a setting. Because spineless as he is, he's also a fascist dictator, and the only one with any real power left for that matter. So question is how best to handle him, he can't really be trusted himself, (hell, he rose to power by betraying his co-conspirators and other spanish falangist icons, most famously stopping them from preventing Primo's murder so he could later build a personality cult around the man because he reasoned Primo was better as a martyr than as a hero, that's the kind of bastard we're dealing with), his subordinates have a bested interest in actively radicalizing the west, he has a vested interest in convincing other politicians to see authoritarianism in a softer light, and he has a ton of old claims to possibly weaponize politicaly if he sees the chance. Most notoriously the claims on the Caribbean, which might become quite relevant as the cold war advances and this area falls to communism.

So while I do plan to stay loyal to NATO and be a nice little attack dog, I also do want to play with the suspicious nature of the situation, and possibly make some attempts at realigning the west's politics to a more favorable landscape. Sure, if you call me to go shoot commies at the butt end of the world I'm going in raw, I don't have the economic, political or economic power to even consider backstabbing you for real, unlike other nations in the pact. But I'm also going to be the little devil in your shoulder for the whole campaign. :)

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