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Gordano and Lysandus
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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Mon May 03, 2021 7:09 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:For what it's worth I think that

A: Let the man write and submit whatever legislation to the fake politics game Jesus fuck y'all ain't that big a deal.

B: His reasoning both in-character and out has been consistently solid and backed up with facts and polls.

C: Seriously jesus fuck is it a game or a power fantasy?


You're overreacting and I'm actually quite upset that you're ascribing malice to a discourse where there is none. People are only pointing out things to try to protect him from the inevitable backlash he'll receive IC. It's his decision at the end of the day, but he has a right to be able to make that decision fully informed of where others stand.
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Postby Sarenium » Mon May 03, 2021 7:13 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:For what it's worth I think that

A: Let the man write and submit whatever legislation to the fake politics game Jesus fuck y'all ain't that big a deal.

B: His reasoning both in-character and out has been consistently solid and backed up with facts and polls.

C: Seriously jesus fuck is it a game or a power fantasy?


Players and their chars may do anything within the confines of this RP that is considered realistic and logical. Madrin hits both so of course he is free to do anything with Santiago.

However, the advice and opinions of other players is equally welcome, and understanding the consequences of actions matters. In this RP and timeline, the Democratic Nominee for President has a get-tougher-on-Cuba mantra, there is an active effort by Florida Dems to push back against imagery of softness on Cuba. Santiago's actions would counteract much of that, and provided Madrin understands that there would be consequences for Santiago and FL Dems from this, nobody will get in his way.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon May 03, 2021 7:31 pm

Madrinpoor wrote:
Alozia wrote:No, most Cuban-Americans either fled Cuba or have parents/grandparents who fled Cuba. They're opposed to the Castro regime and everything that followed.

Alozia wrote:Cuban-Americans hate Cuba...

First of all, don't make generalizations about a group I'm almost 100% you're not a part of.

Second, you two don't understand something. Of course they're against the Castro regime. But they have family in Cuba, and they can't visit them. How would you like it if your family lived in another country, literally less than 100 miles from your country, but you can't visit them? That's the reality for my family and the families of hundreds of Cuban-Americans in America. The embargo hasn't worked. Other countries just sell their products to Cuba, and the US economy is stuck losing 4 billion a year with no positive benefits. Castros are still in power. Cuba still exists. Republicans, Democrats, Cubans, everyone wants Castro to be gone but this isn't working. A lot of people, including well-educated people who study this thing for a living and know more about this topic than you or me, think that a regime would come faster with looser trade restrictions.

Some critics say that the embargo actually helps the regime more than it hurts it, by providing it with a bogeyman for all of Cuba's misfortunes. Hillary Clinton publicly shared the view that the embargo helps the Castros, noting that "It is my personal belief that the Castros do not want to see an end to the embargo and do no want to see normalization with the United States." Clinton said in the same interview that "we're open to changing with them."

In a 2005 interview, George P. Shultz, who served as Secretary of State under Reagan, called the embargo "insane".[80] Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, criticized the embargo in a June 2009 article:[81]

The embargo has been a failure by every measure. It has not changed the course or nature of the Cuban government. It has not liberated a single Cuban citizen. In fact, the embargo has made the Cuban people a bit more impoverished, without making them one bit more free. At the same time, it has deprived Americans of their freedom to travel and has cost US farmers and other producers billions of dollars of potential exports.

Some American business leaders openly call for an end to the embargo. They argue, as long as the embargo continues, non-U.S. foreign businesses in Cuba that violate the embargo, do not have to compete with U.S. businesses, and thus, will have a head start when and if the embargo is lifted.[82]


Source: Wikipedia. The sources to where they get their information are listed, so you can fact check if you want to.

In case you don't get that, that is Hillary Clinton and Reagan's Secretary of State both against the same thing. Both Secretaries of State. Both educated in foreign affairs. Both with different beliefs and ideologies. Both agreeing on something. As does most of the US.


EDIT: I really don't want to get into an argument. I am just explaining my reasoning for this bill.


Santiago will be allowed to write the bill. But freedom of action does not equate freedom form consequence

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Postby Lavan Tiri » Mon May 03, 2021 9:03 pm

Sorry y'all, had a rough day at work. S'pose I was looking for a fight
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Postby Kargintinia » Mon May 03, 2021 10:06 pm

$1000 for me to post this in IC???




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Postby New Cobastheia » Tue May 04, 2021 2:50 am

Madrinpoor wrote:
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:
If Santiago wants to do a bill that leadership'd be amenable to, it'd be something which reopens the asylum process for those fleeing authoritarian socialist regimes in Latin America.

We have that don't we? Wet foot dry foot is still active.


I just did a little research because I didn't actually know and Wet feet, Dry feet ended in the last couple of days of the Obama/Baharia Administration
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Ahh just let me do my sippi post admins Image
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Postby New Cobastheia » Tue May 04, 2021 3:08 am

Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Ahh just let me do my sippi post admins (Image)

Ah mississippi
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Postby Dentali » Tue May 04, 2021 4:24 am

ANNOUNCEMENT/STATEMENT

I love this RP. I am incredibly proud of where it is it, its consistent level of quality and its ability to survive over the years, so thank you to everyone who has been a part of that. I just want to take a moment and say that revisiting the events surrounding the death of George Floyd and the resulting protests and destruction, the controversy, was always going to be painful. I'm from Baltimore, I was in the city during the Freddie Gray riot and I take this deadly serious and we as admins knew from the start that this would be a difficult event to handle.

That being said the actions of Bernard Porter at extreme, insane, and borderline unrealistic from my point of view. I am not advocating for a retcon or chastising Emazia for this, mainly stating that this has made a chaotic and complicated situation only more chaotic and complicated. One of the reasons we try and mirror irl events is so we can better model public reaction and the effects for realism and fairness. Porter's actions, how they progress and end.... Its something very difficult to really get a read on.

I fully expect a lot of controversy and fighting over public perception and character actions, and I fully expect anger at the admins and players over rulings and decisions. This is going to be a difficult period because it will cover what is likely the most insane event our RP has experienced from its inception. I ask that everyone try and treat one another with a bit more respect, grace and understanding in this time. I am not pointing fingers, this is not in reference to a specific incident or post... everyone can stand to be a bit nicer, myself included. Do not let in character actions harm ooc relationships. We are in many ways flying blind for a bit.
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Postby Madrinpoor » Tue May 04, 2021 1:04 pm

New Cobastheia wrote:
Madrinpoor wrote:We have that don't we? Wet foot dry foot is still active.


I just did a little research because I didn't actually know and Wet feet, Dry feet ended in the last couple of days of the Obama/Baharia Administration

Really? My bad. Learn something new every day.

I just got to this because I had a crazy day and wasn't able to log on nation states, but I think that I'm going to wait on the bill, maybe until a more Cuba-friendly administration, like Obama/Baharia, takes power.
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Postby Dentali » Tue May 04, 2021 4:11 pm

May the 4th Be With You

In honor of May 4th lets convert LOTF into a Star Wars AU

Nate Richardson: Jedi Guardian with low force abilities, compensates for it by mastering lightsaber combat. Single Hilt Blue Lightsaber

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Postby Sarenium » Tue May 04, 2021 6:39 pm

Dentali wrote:May the 4th Be With You

In honor of May 4th lets convert LOTF into a Star Wars AU

Nate Richardson: Jedi Guardian with low force abilities, compensates for it by mastering lightsaber combat. Single Hilt Blue Lightsaber

James Moore: Jedi Consular, most focused on diplomacy and healing. Great distaste for Combat but wields a green single hilt


I-
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Postby Deblar » Tue May 04, 2021 6:58 pm

Dentali wrote:May the 4th Be With You

In honor of May 4th lets convert LOTF into a Star Wars AU

Nate Richardson: Jedi Guardian with low force abilities, compensates for it by mastering lightsaber combat. Single Hilt Blue Lightsaber

James Moore: Jedi Consular, most focused on diplomacy and healing. Great distaste for Combat but wields a green single hilt

Hell yes

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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Tue May 04, 2021 7:01 pm

I could have sworn we did this last May the 4th.
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Postby Federal States of Xathuecia » Tue May 04, 2021 7:16 pm

Dentali wrote:May the 4th Be With You

In honor of May 4th lets convert LOTF into a Star Wars AU

Nate Richardson: Jedi Guardian with low force abilities, compensates for it by mastering lightsaber combat. Single Hilt Blue Lightsaber

James Moore: Jedi Consular, most focused on diplomacy and healing. Great distaste for Combat but wields a green single hilt

Cassius Parker is a Jedi master and only uses the force with a purple light saber

Agatha is a witch from Dathomir and can probably use the force
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Postby New Cobastheia » Tue May 04, 2021 7:30 pm

I don't really know enough about Star Wars to be able to tell what my characters would be in that universe, but like if someone wants to do my characters that could be sweet
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Postby Sarenium » Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 pm

Dentali wrote:May the 4th Be With You

In honor of May 4th lets convert LOTF into a Star Wars AU

Nate Richardson: Jedi Guardian with low force abilities, compensates for it by mastering lightsaber combat. Single Hilt Blue Lightsaber

James Moore: Jedi Consular, most focused on diplomacy and healing. Great distaste for Combat but wields a green single hilt


Howard is a wise elder type, probably in the Senate.

Deb is a Sith Lord.

Jillian is a force-reliant Jedi who has low skill with a lightsaber.

Fiona a librarian.

Vichter is the reverse of Jillian.

Joe is the impressionable young padawan who could but probably won't be converted to the dark side.

New Cobastheia wrote:I don't really know enough about Star Wars to be able to tell what my characters would be in that universe, but like if someone wants to do my characters that could be sweet


Nez is an idealistic Galactic Senator.

Chip is the Sith Apprentice who got thrown out the deck for being shit.

Eliza is a humiliated and exiled Dathomir witch trying to make things better.

Talitha is a based Jedi.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Tue May 04, 2021 11:11 pm

Dentali wrote:May the 4th Be With You

In honor of May 4th lets convert LOTF into a Star Wars AU

Nate Richardson: Jedi Guardian with low force abilities, compensates for it by mastering lightsaber combat. Single Hilt Blue Lightsaber

James Moore: Jedi Consular, most focused on diplomacy and healing. Great distaste for Combat but wields a green single hilt


Jason Evander: High-ranking Imperial officer with a tendency to disagree with fellows just barely under what's considered a Force Chokeable offense.

Kim Dunbar: A Sith Lady who lost her limbs in a pod racing accident. Reliant on and addicted to the Dark Side.

Russell Long: A Republic Senator who isn't pro-Jedi but is very anti-Palpatine.
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Wed May 05, 2021 1:15 am

New Cobastheia wrote:I don't really know enough about Star Wars to be able to tell what my characters would be in that universe, but like if someone wants to do my characters that could be sweet

Same I don’t know much about Star Trek/wars or the whole Jedi battles stars galactica thing
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Postby Dentali » Wed May 05, 2021 4:14 am

Dentali wrote:May the 4th Be With You

In honor of May 4th lets convert LOTF into a Star Wars AU

Nate Richardson: Jedi Guardian with low force abilities, compensates for it by mastering lightsaber combat. Single Hilt Blue Lightsaber

James Moore: Jedi Consular, most focused on diplomacy and healing. Great distaste for Combat but wields a green single hilt



Andrew Gardner: Republic Admiral who isn't a genius but is pretty competent and reliable, plus loved by his troops.

Ben Montgomery: King of a rich Core World planet
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Postby Madrinpoor » Wed May 05, 2021 4:57 am

Alexander Santiago: headstrong new Jedi with a lot of potential but a dangerous amount of flaws. Uses a blue lightsaber.
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Wed May 05, 2021 5:51 am

Okay
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Postby Emazia » Wed May 05, 2021 7:39 am

Dentali wrote:May the 4th Be With You

In honor of May 4th lets convert LOTF into a Star Wars AU

Nate Richardson: Jedi Guardian with low force abilities, compensates for it by mastering lightsaber combat. Single Hilt Blue Lightsaber

James Moore: Jedi Consular, most focused on diplomacy and healing. Great distaste for Combat but wields a green single hilt

Porter: Former high-ranking Jedi general that defected to the Sith and escaped upon the fall of their empire, is now hiding out in some distant outer galaxy planet. Probably also has significant cybernetic alteration a la General Grievous .

Vohoffsky: Wealthy businessman unironically backing the Separatists not knowing about the whole 'controlled by Palpatine' thing.

Goldman: One of the really procedural Galactic Senators who ends up obstructing the army during the Clone Wars.

Baxton: Galactic Senator calling for a peace treaty with the Separatists/Sith Empire.
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Postby Alozia » Wed May 05, 2021 8:01 am

Sarenium wrote:Jillian is low skill

correct
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