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Louisianan
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Postby Louisianan » Sun May 02, 2021 9:42 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
Louisianan wrote:I personally think that the government ought to dictate what the military does, and Emaz dictates what Porter does. If player military leaders/ president says, "Negotiate" then the ball will be in Porters court. I personally think a Waco is very avoidable here and it should be the duty of the players to stop that from happening. I doubt we can retcon as much stuff as has already passed.


I think we should have Hypolite get elected president

Hypolite would do his best to emulate a Reagan, Eisenhower, McCain type presidency. His far-right talk is just to get the Far-Righters of Lousyanne on his side.
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Lavan Tiri wrote:
I think we should have Hypolite get elected president

Put Jack Chambers in charge and he will have Porter killed with poison corn.
Put Everitt Colbert in charge and he will send in Delta Force, Navy Seals, and Marines to capture him and put him on trial for treason.


Hypolite will capture porter alive, and place him in a Max Sec Prison for his safety until a trial is underway.
Linda will shoot him herself
Mason would have him killed.
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Madrinpoor
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Postby Madrinpoor » Mon May 03, 2021 4:54 am

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:
Madrinpoor wrote:I've been thinking about Santiago. He might still put it forth and publicly announce to his possible constituents in Hialeah what he's trying to do, but slam the Democrats if they oppose him. He doesn't care if it goes anywhere (though he would like it to) but he wants to show he tried. And if he makes some deals with Republicans, then he could get it some steam, but the Democrats would lose Florida. I think the embargo would cancel out any "socialist!!" name calling, especially since the Democrats have a better case for calling the Republicans fascist after Bernie Porter's stunts. Santiago knows that, and he could chain at least some Democrats to that bill. It would likely cost them Florida in the General Election, in any case.


If Santiago wants to do a bill that leadership'd be amenable to, it'd be something which reopens the asylum process for those fleeing authoritarian socialist regimes in Latin America.

We have that don't we? Wet foot dry foot is still active.
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Sarenium
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Postby Sarenium » Mon May 03, 2021 4:58 am

Pause lifted on commentary regarding Georgia.

Clarifying Points:
  • Date will remain in the same range/weekend for this week.
  • The Insurrection Act itself has not been invoked. Public preparations for it's use have been made.
  • Nothing has been retconned, though the line was very much neared.
Apologies for any inconveniences this has caused. Please expect further information OOC regarding changes that may be forthcoming to prevent a similar pause from needing to occur.
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Louisianan
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Postby Louisianan » Mon May 03, 2021 7:33 am

Sarenium wrote:Pause lifted on commentary regarding Georgia.

Clarifying Points:
  • Date will remain in the same range/weekend for this week.
  • The Insurrection Act itself has not been invoked. Public preparations for it's use have been made.
  • Nothing has been retconned, though the line was very much neared.
Apologies for any inconveniences this has caused. Please expect further information OOC regarding changes that may be forthcoming to prevent a similar pause from needing to occur.

Thanks you Emaz for causing our moderators brains to glitch and malfunction XDDD
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Postby Jovuistan » Mon May 03, 2021 8:00 am

Skeleton app to be used for the duration of the Porter crisis. Will be made into a full app for a permanent character after the crisis concludes.

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NS Nation Name: Jovuistan
Character Name: Glenn Sherburn
Character Gender: Male
Character Age: 58
Character Height: 6 ft 1 in
Character Weight: 182 lbs
Character Position/Role/Job: U.S. National Security Advisor (2020-present), National Security Advisor to the Vice President of the United States (2019-2020), Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (2017-2019), Coordinator for Counterterrorism (2014-2017)
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Character State of Origin: Virginia
Character State of Residence: Virginia
Character Party Affiliation: Republican
Main Strengths: Bipartisan appeal, military experience, intelligent, tough
Main Weaknesses: Electorally and politically inexperienced, unappealing to conservative Republicans, rude
Biography: Glenn Manuel Sherburn was born on March 9th, 1962 in Alexandria, Virginia
- Served in the United States Army from 1985 to the present. Went to West Point.
- Promoted to Major General and served in the War in Afghanistan and Iraq War.
- Served as Coordinator for Counterterrorism under the Baharia admin and into the Wolf admin.
- Appointed by Wolf to Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency for a year until he was switched to the open position of NSA to the VP in mid 2019 as Tawney anticipated he may need to assume the presidency in light of Wolf's illness.
- As someone trusted and close to now President Tawney, was recently appointed National Security Advisor.
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Sarenium
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Postby Sarenium » Mon May 03, 2021 8:05 am

Jovuistan wrote:Skeleton app to be used for the duration of the Porter crisis. Will be made into a full app for a permanent character after the crisis concludes.

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Character Information Sheet


NS Nation Name: Jovuistan
Character Name: Glenn Sherburn
Character Gender: Male
Character Age: 58
Character Height: 6 ft 1 in
Character Weight: 182 lbs
Character Position/Role/Job: U.S. National Security Advisor (2020-present), National Security Advisor to the Vice President of the United States (2019-2020), Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (2017-2019), Coordinator for Counterterrorism (2014-2017)
Appearance:
Character State of Origin: Virginia
Character State of Residence: Virginia
Character Party Affiliation: Republican
Main Strengths: Bipartisan appeal, military experience, intelligent, tough
Main Weaknesses: Electorally and politically inexperienced, unappealing to conservative Republicans, rude
Biography: Glenn Manuel Sherburn was born on March 9th, 1962 in Alexandria, Virginia
- Served in the United States Army from 1985 to the present. Went to West Point.
- Promoted to Major General and served in the War in Afghanistan and Iraq War.
- Served as Coordinator for Counterterrorism under the Baharia admin and into the Wolf admin.
- Appointed by Wolf to Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency for a year until he was switched to the open position of NSA to the VP in mid 2019 as Tawney anticipated he may need to assume the presidency in light of Wolf's illness.
- As someone trusted and close to now President Tawney, was recently appointed National Security Advisor.
Other Info:

I have read and accept the rules of the roleplay: Jovuistan

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Accepted for the duration of this crisis.
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Shinea
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Change

Postby Shinea » Mon May 03, 2021 8:16 am

All my application stays the same but I would like to be a House of Representatives Democrat please.
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Sarenium
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Postby Sarenium » Mon May 03, 2021 8:16 am

Shinea wrote:All my application stays the same but I would like to be a House of Representatives Democrat please.


Applications need substantially more detail - than one or two lines.
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Louisianan
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Postby Louisianan » Mon May 03, 2021 8:41 am

Has any realism finally been kicked out of our RP guys? Come on man.
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Postby Vaquas » Mon May 03, 2021 8:43 am

Louisianan wrote:Has any realism finally been kicked out of our RP guys? Come on man.


Those posts are not canon, ignore them
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Postby Alozia » Mon May 03, 2021 8:43 am

Louisianan wrote:Has any realism finally been kicked out of our RP guys? Come on man.

wdym? Lorraine Jasmine Keyes is very realistic!
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Emazia
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Postby Emazia » Mon May 03, 2021 8:43 am

Louisianan wrote:Has any realism finally been kicked out of our RP guys? Come on man.

It's a spoof scene like the Goldman plane one
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Lavan Tiri
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Mon May 03, 2021 9:23 am

Louisianan wrote:Has any realism finally been kicked out of our RP guys? Come on man.


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Postby Louisianan » Mon May 03, 2021 9:25 am

Alozia wrote:
Louisianan wrote:Has any realism finally been kicked out of our RP guys? Come on man.

wdym? Lorraine Jasmine Keyes is very realistic!

Lorraine Jasmine Keyes ought to be locked up. Let's remember, this is the same woman who hugged Simone while she was presiding.
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Mon May 03, 2021 10:32 am

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Guess I got what I deserve
Kept you waiting there, too long my love
All that time, without a word
Didn't know you'd think, that I'd forget, or I'd regret
The special love I have for you
My baby blue
All the days became so long
Did you really think I'd do you wrong
Dixie, when I let you go
Thought you'd realize, that I would know, I would show
The special love I have for you
My baby blue
What can I do, what can I say?
Except that I want you by my side
How can I show you? Show me a way
Don't you know, the times I tried?
Guess that's all I have to say
Except the feeling just gets stronger everyday
Just one thing, before I go
Take good care, baby let me know, let it grow
The special love you have for me
My Dixie dear

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Postby Shinea » Mon May 03, 2021 10:41 am

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NS Nation Name: The Democratic States of Shinea
Character Name: Grace Unicornia
Character Gender: Female
Character Age: 25
Character Height: 5 foot 4 inches
Character Weight: 118IB
Character Position/Role/Job: House of Representatives- Democrat
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Character State of Origin: New York
Character State of Residence: California
Character Party Affiliation: Democrat
Main Strengths: Smart, Popular, and Empathetic
Main Weaknesses: Stubborn, Strong-Willed, and Sometimes Quite Rude
Biography: (Minimum 2-3 paragraphs) : Grace Unicorncia is a 25-year-old computing student who enjoys listening to music, planking and going to the movies. She is Smart and Empathetic, but can also be very Stubborn and a bit rude.

She is a British Christian who defines herself as straight. She is currently at college. studying computing. She is obsessed with films and over-knee socks.

Physically, Grace is in pretty good shape. She is average-height with chocolate skin, red hair and brown eyes. She has a tattoo of a film reel between her shoulder blades.

She grew up in an upper class neighbourhood. After her father died when she was young, she was raised by her mother

She is currently in a relationship with Gloriana Marvin Weldon. Gloriana is 18 years older than her and works as a doctor.

Grace's best friend is a computing student called Vala Lambert. They are inseparable. She also hangs around with Wednesday Gough and Bunny Merritt. They enjoy worship together.
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Madrinpoor
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Postby Madrinpoor » Mon May 03, 2021 1:03 pm

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:
Madrinpoor wrote:Why do they take that stance?


Because there is absolutely no appetite to give credence to claims that Democrats are socialists, they want to keep Florida on the map, and because Cuba's not actually liberalised at all to justify relaxing the US stance. The Speaker's pretty consistently anti-Cuba and the nominee is pretty staunchly anti-communist.

What if I amended the bill to just open travel with Cuba? I don't see any credence for the socialist claims there, and it would help the Cuban-American opinion immensely, both for Santiago and for the Democrats. Right now they're losing Cuban voters and if they do nothing because they are scared then they'll keep losing them.
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Postby Alozia » Mon May 03, 2021 1:15 pm

Madrinpoor wrote:
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:
Because there is absolutely no appetite to give credence to claims that Democrats are socialists, they want to keep Florida on the map, and because Cuba's not actually liberalised at all to justify relaxing the US stance. The Speaker's pretty consistently anti-Cuba and the nominee is pretty staunchly anti-communist.

What if I amended the bill to just open travel with Cuba? I don't see any credence for the socialist claims there, and it would help the Cuban-American opinion immensely, both for Santiago and for the Democrats. Right now they're losing Cuban voters and if they do nothing because they are scared then they'll keep losing them.

Cuban-Americans hate Cuba...
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon May 03, 2021 1:25 pm

I would be very careful with polling in regards to relatively small minority groups especially those not conducted in Spanish like Cuban Americans.

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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Mon May 03, 2021 1:35 pm

Alozia wrote:
Madrinpoor wrote:What if I amended the bill to just open travel with Cuba? I don't see any credence for the socialist claims there, and it would help the Cuban-American opinion immensely, both for Santiago and for the Democrats. Right now they're losing Cuban voters and if they do nothing because they are scared then they'll keep losing them.

Cuban-Americans hate Cuba...

Source: GMS
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Postby Alozia » Mon May 03, 2021 2:49 pm

Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:
Alozia wrote:Cuban-Americans hate Cuba...

Source: GMS

No, most Cuban-Americans either fled Cuba or have parents/grandparents who fled Cuba. They're opposed to the Castro regime and everything that followed.
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Mon May 03, 2021 2:55 pm

Alozia wrote:
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Source: GMS

No, most Cuban-Americans either fled Cuba or have parents/grandparents who fled Cuba. They're opposed to the Castro regime and everything that followed.

Yhea amongst his ravings I’ve deciphered that bit
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Postby New Cobastheia » Mon May 03, 2021 2:57 pm

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 50159.html

There's a reason Trump won Florida off the back of shouting "SOCIALISM" at Cuban-Americans
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Postby Madrinpoor » Mon May 03, 2021 3:10 pm

Alozia wrote:
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Source: GMS

No, most Cuban-Americans either fled Cuba or have parents/grandparents who fled Cuba. They're opposed to the Castro regime and everything that followed.

Alozia wrote:Cuban-Americans hate Cuba...

First of all, don't make generalizations about a group I'm almost 100% you're not a part of.

Second, you two don't understand something. Of course they're against the Castro regime. But they have family in Cuba, and they can't visit them. How would you like it if your family lived in another country, literally less than 100 miles from your country, but you can't visit them? That's the reality for my family and the families of hundreds of Cuban-Americans in America. The embargo hasn't worked. Other countries just sell their products to Cuba, and the US economy is stuck losing 4 billion a year with no positive benefits. Castros are still in power. Cuba still exists. Republicans, Democrats, Cubans, everyone wants Castro to be gone but this isn't working. A lot of people, including well-educated people who study this thing for a living and know more about this topic than you or me, think that a regime would come faster with looser trade restrictions.

Some critics say that the embargo actually helps the regime more than it hurts it, by providing it with a bogeyman for all of Cuba's misfortunes. Hillary Clinton publicly shared the view that the embargo helps the Castros, noting that "It is my personal belief that the Castros do not want to see an end to the embargo and do no want to see normalization with the United States." Clinton said in the same interview that "we're open to changing with them."

In a 2005 interview, George P. Shultz, who served as Secretary of State under Reagan, called the embargo "insane".[80] Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, criticized the embargo in a June 2009 article:[81]

The embargo has been a failure by every measure. It has not changed the course or nature of the Cuban government. It has not liberated a single Cuban citizen. In fact, the embargo has made the Cuban people a bit more impoverished, without making them one bit more free. At the same time, it has deprived Americans of their freedom to travel and has cost US farmers and other producers billions of dollars of potential exports.

Some American business leaders openly call for an end to the embargo. They argue, as long as the embargo continues, non-U.S. foreign businesses in Cuba that violate the embargo, do not have to compete with U.S. businesses, and thus, will have a head start when and if the embargo is lifted.[82]


Source: Wikipedia. The sources to where they get their information are listed, so you can fact check if you want to.

In case you don't get that, that is Hillary Clinton and Reagan's Secretary of State both against the same thing. Both Secretaries of State. Both educated in foreign affairs. Both with different beliefs and ideologies. Both agreeing on something. As does most of the US.


EDIT: I really don't want to get into an argument. I am just explaining my reasoning for this bill.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Mon May 03, 2021 6:56 pm

For what it's worth I think that

A: Let the man write and submit whatever legislation to the fake politics game Jesus fuck y'all ain't that big a deal.

B: His reasoning both in-character and out has been consistently solid and backed up with facts and polls.

C: Seriously jesus fuck is it a game or a power fantasy?
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