Icarus (Sci-fi/Time-travel|OOC|Open)

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

Character Description

Name: Marray Zeve
Gender: Male
Appearance:
New:
A year before he died:


Original Lifespan: 1902-2017 (105 years)
Biological Age now: 24

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Strengths and Weaknesses

Skills: Strategical thinking, foresight, taekwondo, historical knowledge
Weaknesses: Dancing

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Background:

Backstory: Marray Zeve was born in 1902 in Kodiak, Alaska. His parents worked a lot, so his sister, Shaya Zeve, raised him. She taught him important historical events and discussed the confusing politics at the time. She would've been a great Politician, but sadly she died when she was only 24, Marray was 17. It was a shock for him, so he left home early and decided to study politics. His studies were so successful, that many Universities wanted to have him as a student and he agreed to go to British Columbia.
Marray Zeve was very knowledgeable in languages too because of the different nationalities. He spoke English, Aleut, Russian, Yupik and Japanese. He was also a known pacifist, trying to avoid conflict by making profitable deals. He was often called a grey cardinal because of his nature to never shine in the spot light while controlling everything else. In 1920, when he was barely 18, the League of Nations was founded. He was often talking about how terrible the League of Nation's system.
Another thing he was known for, was the amount of tea he was consuming which became more terrible in 1921 when Prohibition was cancelled in BC. He started putting Vodka into his tea. He wasn't quite an addict, as he was only drinking his lovely tea when working on a difficult problem. The roaring twenties were great for him though. His life standard was rising, but he also warned many about what could happen when they ended. Many thought he was just fooling around.
In 1926 he graduated and moved to Seattle where he worked for a while a secretary in a firm. That came crashing down in the Great depression. His job was cancelled, but he still had his savings which he had made for this exact moment. At home he was ok. Made himself his own bread, grew some vegetables and was happy to get some meat or fish. Hard times.
In 1941 he joined the US Navy to fight against the Germans. He was captured though when the captain of his ship surrendered. He send to Auschwitz and was shot once into his knees and once into his breast. The missed the heart barely. He went east, but only met hostile Polish people until he reached the Belarussian border. There he was welcomed with open arms. Marray Zeve spoke Russian fluently and he was well cared for.
In 1945, when WW2 ended, he decided to stay in the USSR. He became used to the people and customs. Minsk became his new home even though he missed his parents. He married Alyona Cherekovskaya(1905-2019) and got 2 kids, Shaya (1952-2043) and Artyem (1954-2041). He became a member of the Communist Party. In 1990, when the Soviet Union fell, the Belarussian economy stayed relatively stable, but he still decided to visit his home town, Kodiak. He was surprised to see all the changes. He hadn't been outside the Warsaw Pact countries for 45 years after all. With his 88 years he moved back to Seattle with Alyona and was often visited by his children and grandchildren. He lived a happy life and died in his sleep in 2017 with 105 years.
Cause of death: Old Age

[Alcona and Hubris]

Note: This is not a normal character...mostly just posting here for reference...and to get D.B.'s thoughts on the character.

Character Description

Name: Nicholas Filo
Gender: Male
Appearance:
Although a short Greek man, he has brown hair, grey eyes, but is actually kind of cute

Original Lifespan: (Not sure what the current year is in game but subtract 30 years)
Biological Age now: 30

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Strengths and Weaknesses

Skills: Trade, raising horses, riding horses, caring for horses, and getting horses to...well you know...mate. Fighting with knives and swords.
Weaknesses: Dealing with people who know nothing about horses, patience with people who regularly invoke the Gods

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Background:

Backstory: Nicholas is the second son of a farmer who lived on the very outskirts of their town who seemed to dote on his daughters, and provide them with very rich doweries. His elder brother grew up and inherited the best parts of the estate leaving Nicholas little other than a few horses. But Nicholas loved horses and became something of renounced for his skill at raising horses. However, he was mostly forced to work for his brother, or others, in the surrounding area.

Finally after years of hard work, Nicholas was able to purchase a run down farm with a semi-dilaptaded stable and begin working for himself. And things were going along swimmingly until a bunch of Barbarians, speaking who knows what tongues, appeared in the middle of the night and began to steal his horses.

He was woken by the sound of his horses being disturbed in the night. Finally rising and finding two figures having somehow convinced two of the better behaved creatures already tied up. One of the thieves knocked him down. But he showed the bastard, using his leg to sweep him. Pulling out his knife he attacked the thief only to have the other choke him out.

Returning to conciousness, he found himself buried in hay with only Adara left. He mounted Adara and began pursuit. Only because of their crashing through brush ungainly on their stolen mounts was Nicholas able to track them. The bastards had apparently set up some huge tent hidden behind trees some miles distant from his farm. He caught them as they began to take the horses in through a large gap, where there was light leaking out. Nicholas charged, hoping to cut down a few of the thieves and seize back his stolen property. But the last one in the group appeared to know how to handle his mount, blocking his path. Nicholas attacked the man with his blade, even cutting him before the bastard smashed into him with some odd weapon that both knocked the wind out of Nicholas and had the searing pain of iron cutting into his flesh.

Nicholas saw the stars up in the sky just before Adara kicked him in the head as she tried to escape...

Cause of death: (None...he's the only person on he Icarus not to have died...)

[Ameriganastan]

Wait, are we stealing the horses already?

[Alcona and Hubris]

Wait, are we stealing the horses already?

We've been stealing the horses...D.B. got us co-writing the wrangle starting ten days ago...

[Ameriganastan]

Wait, are we stealing the horses already?

We've been stealing the horses...D.B. got us co-writing the wrangle starting ten days ago...

I thought we were still on the ship?

[Europa Undivided]

We've been stealing the horses...D.B. got us co-writing the wrangle starting ten days ago...

I thought we were still on the ship?

Haven't you checked the cowrite channels in the Discord...?

[Ameriganastan]

Gonna go ahead and drop out. Too many characters, not a fan of this whole doing posts on Discord thing and Clarence is frankly a dead end character. Peace.

[Dragos Bee]

-Edited out-

[Ameriganastan]

Gonna go ahead and drop out. Too many characters, not a fan of this whole doing posts on Discord thing and Clarence is frankly a dead end character. Peace.

You weren't wanted anyway.

...Okay, rude.

[Dragos Bee]

You weren't wanted anyway.

...Okay, rude.

I was going to delete the post.

[Bingellia]

You weren't wanted anyway.

...Okay, rude.

He's like that sometimes. I do apologize.

[Dragos Bee]

I apologize too, Ameriganastan - It's just that your message struck me as passive-aggressive and I got angry.

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

Character Description

Name: Marray Zeve
Gender: Male
Appearance:
New:(Image)
A year before he died:
(Image)

Original Lifespan: 1902-2017 (105 years)
Biological Age now: 24

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Strengths and Weaknesses

Skills: Strategical thinking, foresight, taekwondo, historical knowledge
Weaknesses: Dancing

---

Background:

Backstory: Marray Zeve was born in 1902 in Kodiak, Alaska. His parents worked a lot, so his sister, Shaya Zeve, raised him. She taught him important historical events and discussed the confusing politics at the time. She would've been a great Politician, but sadly she died when she was only 24, Marray was 17. It was a shock for him, so he left home early and decided to study politics. His studies were so successful, that many Universities wanted to have him as a student and he agreed to go to British Columbia.
Marray Zeve was very knowledgeable in languages too because of the different nationalities. He spoke English, Aleut, Russian, Yupik and Japanese. He was also a known pacifist, trying to avoid conflict by making profitable deals. He was often called a grey cardinal because of his nature to never shine in the spot light while controlling everything else. In 1920, when he was barely 18, the League of Nations was founded. He was often talking about how terrible the League of Nation's system.
Another thing he was known for, was the amount of tea he was consuming which became more terrible in 1921 when Prohibition was cancelled in BC. He started putting Vodka into his tea. He wasn't quite an addict, as he was only drinking his lovely tea when working on a difficult problem. The roaring twenties were great for him though. His life standard was rising, but he also warned many about what could happen when they ended. Many thought he was just fooling around.
In 1926 he graduated and moved to Seattle where he worked for a while a secretary in a firm. That came crashing down in the Great depression. His job was cancelled, but he still had his savings which he had made for this exact moment. At home he was ok. Made himself his own bread, grew some vegetables and was happy to get some meat or fish. Hard times.
In 1941 he joined the US Navy to fight against the Germans. He was captured though when the captain of his ship surrendered. He send to Auschwitz and was shot once into his knees and once into his breast. The missed the heart barely. He went east, but only met hostile Polish people until he reached the Belarussian border. There he was welcomed with open arms. Marray Zeve spoke Russian fluently and he was well cared for.
In 1945, when WW2 ended, he decided to stay in the USSR. He became used to the people and customs. Minsk became his new home even though he missed his parents. He married Alyona Cherekovskaya(1905-2019) and got 2 kids, Shaya (1952-2043) and Artyem (1954-2041). He became a member of the Communist Party. In 1990, when the Soviet Union fell, the Belarussian economy stayed relatively stable, but he still decided to visit his home town, Kodiak. He was surprised to see all the changes. He hadn't been outside the Warsaw Pact countries for 45 years after all. With his 88 years he moved back to Seattle with Alyona and was often visited by his children and grandchildren. He lived a happy life and died in his sleep in 2017 with 105 years.
Cause of death: Old Age

Is this ok?

[Dyelli Beybi]

Character Description

Name: Marray Zeve
Gender: Male
Appearance:
New:(Image)
A year before he died:
(Image)

Original Lifespan: 1902-2017 (105 years)
Biological Age now: 24

Looks good to me. Accepted.

Note: This is not a normal character...mostly just posting here for reference...and to get D.B.'s thoughts on the character.

Character Description

Name: Nicholas Filo
Gender: Male
Appearance:
Although a short Greek man, he has brown hair, grey eyes, but is actually kind of cute

Original Lifespan: (Not sure what the current year is in game but subtract 30 years)
Biological Age now: 30

Lol well he'd make an interesting character mostly because Hannah would constantly be worried about his experiences changing the future/him dying and that changing the future. In theory they could put him back exactly where he left off though.

[Grenartia]

Except you're assuming that all departures with seemingly positive initial effects are positive overall.

Its a bit cliche in time travel discussions, but lets say you decide not to intervene in someone's plot to kill Hitler before the Beer Hall Putsch (either as an infant, or when he was a corporal in WW1, or some other time, it doesn't really matter for this purpose). Sounds good, right? You've seemingly directly averted the Holocaust AND WW2. Except the knock-on effects are quite severe and multi-faceted.

1. Hitler didn't arise out of a vacuum. He was influenced by, and took advantage of, already-existing sentiments. Hell, he wasn't even the first member of the Nazi party (even the doctored Nazi records only listed him as the 7th member, and in reality, he was something like number 200). Anti-semitism and other racial prejudices the Nazis were notorious for were also very prevalent. Fascism itself was also seen (and it presented itself as such) as a "best of both worlds" approach to the socialism vs capitalism dispute. So its extremely likely that Nazism would have still taken power even with Hitler out of the picture. Hitler was not some grand architect, he simply took advantage of existing conditions. Which leads me to my second point.

2. Hitler was actually fairly incompetent as a leader. This one is fairly well-known. He wasn't a total buffoon, but again, he wasn't a grand architect. So by eliminating Hitler, you've made it quite possible that whoever arises as fuhrer instead of him is actually competent. This is one of the primary reasons the Allies did not seriously attempt to assassinate Hitler during the war, and is also arguably a reason why the July 20 plot was undertaken. Certain leaders in the German High Command realized that Hitler was leading Germany to ruin, and they (mistakenly) thought they could negotiate peace with the Western Allies in order to have a chance against the Soviets. In short, they sought to replace an incompetent leader (Hitler) with someone they thought was competent.

3. The technological consequences of the war are impossible to overstate. Nuclear power. Spaceflight. Jet engines. Electronic computers. These are but a select few technologies on which the world currently depends, that in all likelihood, would not have been pursued (and definitely not as aggressively) without the war and its consequences. Frank Whittle patented the jet engine in 1930, but the RAF thought so little of it that the patent wasn't classified, and so the Germans began pursuing it as well. Whittle's efforts were not seriously backed by the RAF, but the Germans were a bit more supportive of their jet project, and so the first actual jet-powered aircraft was designed, built, and flown by Nazi Germany. It was only with the arrival of the war that Britain decided to back Whittle's efforts. The Manhattan Project, likewise, was only funded because of the urgency of the war effort, and the belief that the Nazis were developing it. It is highly unlikely that any significant government funding would have been directed towards it otherwise, and private sector funding would be non-existent (especially for a bomb, but even a nuclear reactor would be a hard sell to any private investors, and with plentiful oil, gas, and coal supplies in the US, and no need to conserve their use for a war effort, any alternative energy source would be a hard sell). Electronic computers were similarly only funded due to wartime pressures, particularly the need to rapidly crack the German Enigma code. It is highly unlikely those pressures would exist in peacetime, especially if the code itself doesn't exist because there's no need for it. And while there were rocket experiments before WW2, and the Space Race didn't really kick off until over 10 years after it ended, the V2 was undeniably the rocket upon which both the US and USSR based their own initial designs (both for civilian rocketry, and ballistic missiles). And the V2 was the brainchild of Werner Von Braun, who was only able to secure the appropriate funding for it by joining the Nazi party, and agreeing to develop it as a weapon. Like every other item I've mentioned so far, it would not have existed without state (particularly military) funding, and would not have had any appreciable private funding due to lack of a profit motive for their use. Indeed, the current profit motives for rockets are only the result of developments made during the Space Race, developments which would not have been explored without the wider consequences of the Cold War. Which brings me to my next point.

4. The geopolitical consequences are equally impossible to overstate. While WW1 was, with the exception of a few islands opportunistically gobbled up by Japan, and an induced rebellion against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East, almost entirely fought in Europe and the Atlantic, WW2 was a truly global war. Even nominally neutral nations often either secretly supported one side or another, or were affected by the course of the war itself. Colonies contributed to the efforts of their parent states, and when the war was over, decolonization began in earnest. India, Indochina, most of Africa, etc. were all colonies, and even in the unoccupied regions of those colonies, the investments made to local infrastructure so they could more effectively contribute to the war effort generally outpaced any previous investments. The local populations of these colonies often fought in every major theater as well, and this only helped strengthen their resolve for independence. The United Nations, originally the name of the alliance that opposed the Axis, became a new international body, with more teeth than the previous international body, the impotent League of Nations. And, as the nations of the world sought to rebuild and recover from the most devastating war in history, two superpowers emerged from it that would compete against each other for influence over the other nations of the world. Most of these developments could not have happened without the war (really, everything except the independence movements depends on the war happening, and even the independence movements would have taken a lot longer to see fruit had the war not happened).

5. The likewise non-overstateability of the social consequences of the war. When a nation fought in WW2, it waged total war. Every possible resource was leveraged for the war effort, including the human resource, and indeed, those humans who were nominally marginalized. In the US, for instance, while the military was still segregated, black units still served notably and honorably in combat. Upon their return, the irony of fighting and dying in a war caused (in part) by racial bigotry, for a nation which itself continued a policy of racial bigotry against them was not lost on these veterans, who upon their return, caused renewed vigor in the struggle for civil rights. Likewise, the horrors of the Holocaust motivated many people to reject the bigoted racial attitudes that caused it. After all, once you hear and see someone who is literally little more than skin and bones talk about the horrors of the death camps, it is incredibly hard to justify to yourself the bigotry that is prerequisite for establishing a system of death camps.

6. The obviously earth-shattering consequences of the war on economics. As stated multiple times by now, the war spurred governments to spend money on things they previously had spent little or nothing on. On the capitalist side of things, the war was the largest proving ground for Keynesian economics, which was massively influential in governmental economic policy across the world for nearly 40 years, and is still the predominant economic model most governments today use. While Keynesianism did see adoption in several countries during the latter half of the Great Depression, and this did influence its adoption during the war, the pressure to adopt a new economic model to prevent the economic consequences of the previous war was significant.

Of course, for the sake of my personal time, I have not gone NEARLY as in-depth as one possibly can. There are countless other examples in each category, but suffice it to say, if Hitler was removed from history before the Beer Hall Putsch, the world would be in an incredibly different situation, and not necessarily one that is preferable to the timeline we know. And there are certainly historical events which would have even more drastic impacts. What if Hannibal triumphed at Zama? What if Constantinople never fell? What if horses had not gone extinct in the Americas prior to the arrival of Columbus? And so on.



That hasn't been established, especially as most characters are either from that timeline, or before the Destiny expedition.

From Hannah's perspective, any change made to history, especially ones that result in lives lost or lives saved is also going to result in future generations ceasing to exist. It might be something small, like you've created a different grocery store owner down the road, but didn't that original grocery store owner have a life, family, people that he or she loved?

In relation to the alien invasion and Hannah's own timeline. She comes from the darker part of it, but there is a future beyond the darkness. If she did something to stop it, she would be wiping all the people from after the invasion out of existence and replacing them with a completely different human race that never had that experience. What about the aliens themselves? Are their lives worth less than a human one? Neither she nor the crew are gods. Would an alteration be something they have any right to do?

Yeah, we're fundamentally touching on the same point, and its not even necessarily a point other people haven't made before, that stopping an obvious tragedy may seem like an objectively good thing in the short term, but with the advent of hindsight, you realize it isn't necessarily always good thing in the medium to long term.

And that's not even delving into the deeper philosophical implications of the entire dilemma.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

@Voxija, do you think our resident Roman would have been telling Nuan about Greece and stuff during the interim since our characters have posted?

[Voxija]

@Voxija, do you think our resident Roman would have been telling Nuan about Greece and stuff during the interim since our characters have posted?

I think Cornelia would have been telling her about the ship and timelines first, and asking Nuan about "the Land of Silk". And then she would tell her a little bit about Ancient Greece, mostly about Ancient Greek religion, family life, and religion, and less about the things relevant to the actual mission.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

@Voxija, do you think our resident Roman would have been telling Nuan about Greece and stuff during the interim since our characters have posted?

I think Cornelia would have been telling her about the ship and timelines first, and asking Nuan about "the Land of Silk". And then she would tell her a little bit about Ancient Greece, mostly about Ancient Greek religion, family life, and religion, and less about the things relevant to the actual mission.

Ight. So we can address what they have talked about without writing it out in full....

I think Nuan would head to the medbay upon seeing/hearing about this Greek boi bleeding out. Seems like a good time for Heins to wake up, too.

[Alcona and Hubris]

Note: My character specifically stuck Heins in another cabin there W.F. He is not in the Med Bay itself...

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Note: My character specifically stuck Heins in another cabin there W.F. He is not in the Med Bay itself...

Oh. Party!

[Mountainus]

Alright, I'm back. Sorry for the pause in posts. What should I do now to get my character all caught up? Or should I say the realization of what happened finally hit Charles and he passed out?

[Lara Monia]

I haven't forgotten this or lost interest, there just isn't much that I could really write that would warrant a full post that I'd approve of

[Bingellia]

Alright, I'm back. Sorry for the pause in posts. What should I do now to get my character all caught up? Or should I say the realization of what happened finally hit Charles and he passed out?

Sorry for the late reply, I think that's a half decent option, though I'm not sure how applicable it is to the situation currently.

I haven't forgotten this or lost interest, there just isn't much that I could really write that would warrant a full post that I'd approve of

It looks as though there is a conversation happening in the Mess, so your character can always get involved there if they aren't the type to go join the away party in their mission.

[Lara Monia]

I haven't forgotten this or lost interest, there just isn't much that I could really write that would warrant a full post that I'd approve of

It looks as though there is a conversation happening in the Mess, so your character can always get involved there if they aren't the type to go join the away party in their mission.

She did go on the mission, so I've just been watching what happens

[UniversalCommons]

You get a little bit of a feeling that something is a little bit off with the main computer. There are some interesting design choices in the computer. 100% efficiency is interesting. This would be a possible drawback. There is usually some kind of focus on value or effectiveness balancing efficiency. Effectiveness is taking the right actions. This is where there might be some holes. It is just a thought. Also, the complete automation might have some drawbacks as well. There are ideas that humans working with computers make computers more effective, Centaur theory. I would imagine that 28th century people are a lot more educated, intelligent, and possibly capable than we are now.