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Postby Imperialisium » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:01 pm

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Sure thing what’s the question?

Are they allowed? For Example, You own a Coastal Province but you want a province somewhere Inland but it would just destroy the map. Would they be allowed then?


It would depend where. If it’s in Europe it’s more excusable because of things like the Holy Roman Empire (with its ungodly border gore among member states). Outside of Europe not really since you’d have to land somewhere on the coast anyways.
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This looks exciting, but why is most of South America available?
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Postby Imperialisium » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:08 pm

Arvenia wrote:This looks exciting, but why is most of South America available?


Because no one has put claims there as a colonial empire, independent state that broke away from some empire, or an indigenous nation that wasn’t conquered/assimilated by either of the former.
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Postby Arvenia » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:09 pm

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Arvenia wrote:This looks exciting, but why is most of South America available?


Because no one has put claims there as a colonial empire, independent state that broke away from some empire, or an indigenous nation that wasn’t conquered/assimilated by either of the former.

Sounds like a good idea to create a Greater Colombian Republic as a South American USA.
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Postby Imperialisium » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:12 pm

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Because no one has put claims there as a colonial empire, independent state that broke away from some empire, or an indigenous nation that wasn’t conquered/assimilated by either of the former.

Sounds like a good idea to create a Greater Colombian Republic as a South American USA.


An interesting idea to be sure.
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Postby Stollberg-Stolberg » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:49 pm

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Stollberg-Stolberg wrote:Are they allowed? For Example, You own a Coastal Province but you want a province somewhere Inland but it would just destroy the map. Would they be allowed then?


It would depend where. If it’s in Europe it’s more excusable because of things like the Holy Roman Empire (with its ungodly border gore among member states). Outside of Europe not really since you’d have to land somewhere on the coast anyways.

Could I claim Saxony and the Rest of the Ore Mountains then, Please?
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Postby Imperialisium » Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:16 pm

Stollberg-Stolberg wrote:
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It would depend where. If it’s in Europe it’s more excusable because of things like the Holy Roman Empire (with its ungodly border gore among member states). Outside of Europe not really since you’d have to land somewhere on the coast anyways.

Could I claim Saxony and the Rest of the Ore Mountains then, Please?


Yes
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Nationstates Name: Stollberg-Stolberg
Nation Name: The Stem Duchy of Friesland-Saxony; Das Kurfürstentum Friesland-Sachsen
Flag:
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National Anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AnulvJ_0Qg
Capital: Dresden, Saxony
Type of Government Constitutional Monarchy
Head of State(s) : King Heinrich the 3rd [King], Horst Theodor Fuchs [Parliament]
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Political Faction or Party in Power [Basically the powers that be in your nation]: The King, CDU [Conservative Democratic Union] in Parliament
Population 7.5 Million
Religion Breakdown
Christianity 87%:
85% Lutheran Christianity
10% Catholic Christianity
4,5% Orthodox Christianity
0,5% Other
Buddism 7,5%
Judaism 5,5%
Other 2%

Public Goals:
+ Free Education for every Class
+ Conquer Pommerania with Stade and other Central German Stuff.
+ become an Empire
+ Create more Technology
+ Increase Trade Routes based on Coffee

Private Goals:
+ Colonize more Lands
+ Increase the Navy and Army

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Total military size 75,000[Army], 25,000[Navy]
Breakdown of the army: The Friesland-Sachsen Military is made out of 75 "Garnisonen" one of these contains up to 1000 Soldiers, there are 47 normal Line-Infantry "Garnisonen", 8 "Garnisonen" are Hunting Regiments which fight in Forested Areas, these use Wheel Lock Rifles. 19 of the remaining 20 "Garnisonen" are Cavalry Regiments of any kind, with the last regiment being a Royal Dragoner Regiment which seeks to protect the King and his family. Only the best men enter into the royal Dragoner Regiment which makes it an honor to serve in them, when you retire at the age of 55 from the Royal Dragoons you get a plot of Land and a Special Title. The Numbers of the Army can only be maintained by conscription with every able-bodied Male between the age of 17-20 having to serve for 5 years when he serves his Duty he will be put in Reserve for 20 years. But how can the country deploy the reserve so fast? Well, it's simple, the entire country is slightly divided by "Deployment Sectors" which have to ready their reserve based on the Number they are given. For example; Sector 1 is the readiest to deploy troops while Sector 17 is the least, this gives more time to the more civilian Sectors to deploy.
Breakdown of navy The Friesland-Sachsen Navy consists of 175 Ships which are divided into Ship-Groups consisting of 25 Ships in one. There are 7 Ship-Groups, Which are divided into Flotillas consisting of 5 Ships each.

The North Sea Fleet Group 1: Stationed in Emden
2 First Rate Ships
3 Second Rate Ships
10 Frigates
5 Sloops
5 Brigs
Description: The North Sea Fleet Group 1 was established/renovated in 1723, most of the Ships in their Group were created and/or renovated by ESB [Emden Ship Building]. This Company Focuses primarily on the Stability of their Ships while still being praised for their Ships Creative Designs. North Sea Fleet Group 1 primarily Focuses on Outmanouvering their Enemies in Battle, this can be seen by the Primary Focus on Frigates.

The North Sea Fleet Group 2: Stationed in Wilhelmshaven
1 First Rate Ships
4 Second Rate Ships
10 Frigates
5 Sloops
5 Galiots
Description: The North Sea Fleet Group 2 was established/renovated in 1694, most of the Ships in their Group were created and/or renovated by WDW [Wilhelmshaven DockWorks]. This Company Focuses primarily on the Fastness of their Ships, but they are being mostly praised by the Nobility for their luxurious standing in the Nation. North Sea Fleet Group 2 primarily Focus on outmaneuvering their Enemies in Battle, this can be seen by the Primary Focus on Frigates.

The North Sea Fleet Group 3: Stationed in Hamburg
2 First Rate Ships
3 Second Rate Ships
5 Frigates
10 Schooner
5 Brigs
Description:The North Sea Fleet Group 3 was established/renovated in 1744, most of the Ships in their Group were created and/or renovated by HSR [Hamburgian Ship Repairs]. This Company Focuses primarily on the Availability of their Ships, but they are being mostly praised by the Merchants for their River Accessibility due to their relatively Flat Keels. North Sea Fleet Group 3 primarily Focus on scouting their Enemies in Battle, this can be seen by the Primary Focus on Schooners.

The Falkland Fleet: Stationed in Staans [Stanley]
3 First Rate Ships
2 Second Rate Ships
1 Frigate
9 Schooner
10 Galiots
Description: The Falkland Fleet Group was established/renovated in 1784, Therefore it is the newest of all fleets, most of the Ships in their Group were created and/or renovated by ESB [Emden Ship Building]. This Company Focuses primarily on the Stability of their Ships while still being praised for their Ships Creative Designs. Falkland Fleet Group primarily Focus on sieging their Enemies in Battle, this can be seen by the Primary Focus on Galiots which use Mortars.

The Baltic Sea Fleet Group 1: Stationed in Lübeck
5 First Rate Ships
5 Second Rate Ships
2 Frigates
3 Schooners
10 Galiots
Decription: The Baltic Sea Fleet Group 1 was established/renovated in 1689, most of the Ships in their Group were created and/or renovated by LSR [Lübecker Ship Repairs]. This Company Focuses primarily on the Size of their Ships, but they are being mostly praised by the Citizens for their Dangerous Looking Ornaments. Baltic Sea Fleet Group 1 primarily Focus on sieging their Enemies in Battle, this can be seen by the Primary Focus on the Galiot's use of Mortars.

The Baltic Sea Fleet Group 2: Stationed in Rostock
1 First Rate Ships
4 Second Rate Ships
5 Third Rate Ships
10 Frigates
5 Galiots
Description: The Baltic Sea Fleet Group 2 was established/renovated in 1649, most of the Ships in their Group were created and/or renovated by RSY [Rostocker ]. This Company Focuses primarily on the Guns of their Ships, but they are being mostly praised by the Army for their Troop Holding Room. Baltic Sea Fleet Group 2 primarily Focus on outmaneuvering their Enemies in Battle, this can be seen by the Primary Focus on the Frigates.

The Baltic Sea Fleet Group 3: Stationed in Kiel
5 First Rate Ships
5 Second Rate Ships
10 Third Rate Ships
3 Sloops
2 Galiots
Description: The Baltic Sea Fleet Group 3 was established/renovated in 1739, most of the Ships in their Group were created and/or renovated by LSR [Lübecker Ship Repairs]. This Company Focuses primarily on the Size of their Ships, but they are being mostly praised by the Citizens for their Dangerous Looking Ornaments. Baltic Sea Fleet Group 3 primarily Focus on outgunning their Enemies in Battle, this can be seen by the Primary Focus on the First/Second/Third Rate Ships.

Currency: Sachs
Major import/export partners The Nations which border the North Sea and most of the Germanic Duchies and Kingdoms.
Major Domestic Issues

Split in Half
Due to the Inheritance of Friesland and the Conquering of the Coast, the State is split in half. Not only Geographically but also Culturally, this brings an array of Problems to the Nation. Because of that, the North is much more decentralized from the rest of the Nation and enjoys more autonomy than the rest of the Nation.

Foresty Feeling
Even though the Nation is mostly Developed there are still huge Areas covered in Forest and other Woods. This makes the Modernization of the Communities residing in them, hard and costly. While the rest of the Nations Markets expand and produce and buy more goods, the Woodlandtowns don´t have such a lucky Situation and remain to be some of the poorer Communities in their respected Regions.

Small Town World
While there are some big Cities most of the Human Settlements are in small towns, these have to be developed and connected to the already small plastered-road system. This will drain the Money out of the Governments' Pockets in the short term making them somewhat bankrupt for a moment or be thrown into a small recession.
Major Foreign Issues
Old Land Pommerania
Even though the Saxons lost Pommerania to Prussia, the Saxons still believe that Pommerania is still theirs.

Colonization for Saxons
While the rest of The World started to colonize the Saxons haven't done a lot of these things and merely Colonized South Georgia and the Falklands. The Saxons now want to colonize more Areas of the World.

Coffeeroute Steps
Due to the Popularity of Coffee in the Nation, and because of their small colonies which arent in the Bean Belt, Friesland-Saxony is entirely reliant on other Nations to supply it with Coffee. This means that Saxony needs to establish strong Trade Routes with "Bean-Belt Nations".

History:
Oversimplified History
Even though the History of Saxony didn´t change until 1482, in that year the brothers Ernst and Albert didn´t have friction which didn't cut the nation in half. This led to the confidence of the Saxons, while this was one of the reasons why the Treaty of Eger/Cheb wasn´t signed. The Treaty of Cheb wanted to strengthen the border between the Saxons and the Czechs. In the Year 1485, a War broke out between Saxony and Bohemia which firstly went bad for the Saxons. Due to the defeat of the Bohemians at the Battle of Chemnitz, the War turned Tables, since most of the Bohemian Military participated in these miscalculated attacks. Meanwhile, on the Elbe, the Bohemian Navy sieged Pirna´s Ports which didn´t accomplish a lot, but it was an inconvenience to the supply lines. With the now mostly beaten Bohemian Military on the run, the Saxons could lay a siege for 2 years to Prague. When in 1490 the War ended, the Treaty of Altenberg happened which saw the Bohemians giving the States of Eger and Erzgebirge to the Saxons and recognize these to be the definitive Southern Borders of the Saxo-Bohemian Border. Even though the question about the Lausitz remained but the Confrontation of the Problem was just delayed time after time.

In 1524 the Saxon King, who was Gerhard the Smooth at the time inherited the small Kingdom of Friesland which now gave the chance to trade with foreign powers with an only minimal toll. This had greatly benefited the economy and the Saxons got [Somewhat-] Rich because of it, but it wasn't enough Land with a Water Border. So they declared war on the Alliance between Ostfriesland and Oldenburg. These two States were pretty weak against the Saxon Forces but had put up a good fight, these Territories were annexed in the Treaty of Wilhelmshaven. After a pretty long time of Peace lasting between 1533-99, the Nation of Friesland-Saxony was attacked by Bohemia because of their old dispute with Saxony. For first they wanted to get their lost territory in the Erzgebirge back, second, they wanted to strengthen their claim to the Lausitz, and third, they wanted to get more money from Friesland-Saxony. The Bohemian Army pushed all the way to Dresden and even laid siege to it but with help from their allies, the Brandenburgisch encircled the Sieging Party and has put itself in a better situation. The Progression of the War was slow and costly in both Money, Manpower, and Equipment, but it was successfully done. In the end, the Lausitz was given to Friesland-Saxony establishing a Strong eastern Border.

At the start of the second decade of the century, the Nation of Friesland-Saxony bought the Free Hanseatic Cities of Hamburg and Lübeck. This made the country broke for approximately 5 years, but the country recovered pretty well under the management of Peter the 1st. Due to the Death of Gerhard the 4th of Saxony-Lauenburg in 1616, the territory of his country passed to Friesland-Saxony, it was inevitably integrated in 1617. At the start of the 30 Years, War Friesland-Saxony remained neutral but dropped that title when the Duchy of Mecklenburg, which was Catholic at the time insulted the nation. Due to quick and decisive battles in key locations and a Naval blockade of their Main Citys Ports, the Friesland Saxon Military had won. After the annexation of the territory, the Army hadn´t fought in a lot of battles and mostly stayed in home territory. This was maybe the reason why Bohemia didn´t invade the country. In the 1660s the country had fought an Alliance between Ostfriesland, Bremen, and Oldenburg, the Saxons may be only won because they didn't participate majorly in the fighting of the 30 Years War. With most of its wanted territory in its Kingdom, the Frisian-Saxons eyed upon Schleswig and Holstein which remained mostly neutral, but there was also the question of colonies which was answered by colonizing the newly discovered Falklands in the 1690s.

At the start of the century in the year 1706, the Great fire of Reichenau [Lausitz] happened which saw 956 Civilians and 44 Firefighters killed. This has seen protests to create a Volunteer Firefighter Brigade for every City, Town, and Village. Even though the Accomplishments of the protests were only seen after the year 1769, in the meantime a lot of things happened. The explorer Daniel Gerk had accidentally discovered South George and the South Sandwich Islands in the Year 1712, while they were quickly colonized the only settlement is a Shipyard and Naval Outpost which holds a maximum of 100 men which are being changed every 3 years. While the Navy and Military saw a slight rise in their funding, this time the military increased a lot when the Conscription Laws started. With their now new-found confidence, the Nation of Friesland-Saxony attacked Schleswig and Holstein in the Year 1739 and had beaten them in the Year 1742, of course, their territory was annexed by the country. After 38 Years the City of Reichenau [Lausitz] was rebuilt again, bigger and better. When the first plans to colonize the Mascarenes were published in the year 1756, a lot of people wanted to help the colonization but new Colonization Laws were prohibiting more than 1000 members to create the first settlements on small Islands. Also, the Nation has passed new laws in the year 1765 that forced sailors to decontaminate ships from rats and other pests, the native wildlife was also protected by a law that prohibited the hunting and consumption of the native wildlife. It has been planned and agreed that the Island of Guadeloupe is to be bought and/or inhabited in the year, in 1777 the money for the project was laid aside.
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"Land Ahead!", that Phrase is loved by the Sailors of the SKM Falkland a First Class Ship. The Sailors know that this Landmass may not be huge, but the and is Land and will be colonized for the Crown and it may even be a Military Outpost. They already left the SKM at the Island "Sankt Jakobus" [Réunion] which they found 5 days ago. The colony on that Island should be built right now, but now they only see another to-be-colonized Island and the giant ocean. "Hey Captain, I see a Reef around the Island. I think that the only possibility to get to that Island is by Rowboat." a sailor said. "Then it shall be this way. Now go and prepare the Boat.", the Sailor nicked and left. What now unfolded was a normal scene when departing the boat, some sailors loaded the boat with the Flag to be placed, Ammunition and Guns. They expected it to have some kind of inhabitants so they loaded some gifts as well. Now that the Boat was loaded, a party of 7 Sailors climbed into the Rowboat and was lowered by a Party of 8 Men. Soon the Party started to row to the Island, "Harrald, did you put the Guns in a Safe and not wet place?" said the first sailor, "They are in the Metalbox under you." said the man with the name Harrald, "Good, I thought that you put them in the back, you know that that box back there can fall anytime into the water." said the First sailor again.

When they arrived on the Island they saw nobody, no Human Soul around, it was an eery feeling but nothing special, so a sailor who was apparently the Leader of the Group started to speak "We the Navy of Friesland-Saxony have discovered the new Landmass which will now be called Muritus! and now we shall-", but before he could even finish his sentence a bird has interrupted him. The Sailors were surprised, maybe even spooked, the bird was... a Chicken and an Eagle combined? It was a surprising thing to see but that "Thing" needed a name so they agreed to name the strange bird "Dronte"[Dodo] by dropping name suggestions into a hat and picking a paper-piece. "So, we need to put an Expedition here first before we send the colonists but we first need to put the Flag up." The Leader said, as they pounded the Flag into the Ground another one of these Dronte appeared out of the Tall Grass, "Let's leave I don't like the look of these things. The Flag is in the Ground and there is nothing left to do, so please let us go." a Sailor nagged, but he was just slapped by another. "We should in actuality bring one of these birds back to the Ship, I think, the other colleagues will find them interesting too." one of them said, with a good idea in hand, they picked up 2 Drontes[Dodo] and started to paddle back to the ship.

On the ship was a jolly situation, but then the scouting Party arrived and brought an ugly bird with them. While there wasn´t a panic, nobody wanted to touch that thing except the Scouting Party Members. "What the hell is that thing?" an officer said, "What did you name it?", "It is a Dronte[Dodo], Well the Name that is. A very interesting bird I might say, it was found on the island we now call Muritus." said the Leader of the Scouting Party. While the rest of the crewmembers of the Ship started to look at and inspect the Dronte[Dodo] an interesting sound was heard from it, maybe the first time anyone heard the sounds of a Dodo. It was a chilling sound, no the sound was a more silly one? Even though the Crew was surprised, the Crew didn´t start a panic, which wouldn´t be logical to panic about a new bird, and start to throw the Birds overboard but instead opted to choose to take them back to the Island, a surprising thing at that time, but due to the new colonization laws, it was common in Friesland-Saxony. "So, you will now take them back to the Island and set them free." the Captain said, "Yes my Sir, they will be back in only a matter of hours." the Leader of the Scouting Group said. With the birds now gone the Crew organized again to sail to the rumored Island of Kafee[Rodrigues] and claim it for the crown.
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The more I think the more I am actually inclined to do a sort of Revolutionary RP but with a united Italy rather then France
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Postby Imperialisium » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:08 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:The more I think the more I am actually inclined to do a sort of Revolutionary RP but with a united Italy rather then France


An Italian Revolution would be interesting.
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Postby Sarderia » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:22 pm

Arvenia wrote:
Imperialisium wrote:
Because no one has put claims there as a colonial empire, independent state that broke away from some empire, or an indigenous nation that wasn’t conquered/assimilated by either of the former.

Sounds like a good idea to create a Greater Colombian Republic as a South American USA.

There will be no "Greater Colombian Republic" because there's no Spain in the first place. My app is still WIP, but the entirety of America was a Marinid colony - the Marinids wrote their exploration journals in Tamazight and Arabic, languages which were not familiar to Europeans, and did not employ Europeans in their exploration voyages. That would lead to a later discovery of trade routes to India, China, etc. but it also allowed the Marinids to set a firmer foothold in the Americas. So, most of South America was originally a Marinid possession, but basically most of them broke away from the Marinid Caliphate due to a "schism" in the Fiqh (interpretation of Islamic law), a general desire of independence, and due to the Caliphate itself being overstretched.

Perhaps a Muslim republic, or collection of Muslim sultanates would exist in South America. Also one more thing, the indigenous population isn't brutally killed like in IRL by the Spanish. They're gradually Islamized and there was a significant amount of intermarriage between the Arab/Andalusian colonists and the indigenous population. Languages like Maya, Nahuatl, and Inca would have been written in Arabic script.
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Postby Imperialisium » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:43 pm

Sarderia wrote:
Arvenia wrote:Sounds like a good idea to create a Greater Colombian Republic as a South American USA.

There will be no "Greater Colombian Republic" because there's no Spain in the first place. My app is still WIP, but the entirety of America was a Marinid colony - the Marinids wrote their exploration journals in Tamazight and Arabic, languages which were not familiar to Europeans, and did not employ Europeans in their exploration voyages. That would lead to a later discovery of trade routes to India, China, etc. but it also allowed the Marinids to set a firmer foothold in the Americas. So, most of South America was originally a Marinid possession, but basically most of them broke away from the Marinid Caliphate due to a "schism" in the Fiqh (interpretation of Islamic law), a general desire of independence, and due to the Caliphate itself being overstretched.

Perhaps a Muslim republic, or collection of Muslim sultanates would exist in South America. Also one more thing, the indigenous population isn't brutally killed like in IRL by the Spanish. They're gradually Islamized and there was a significant amount of intermarriage between the Arab/Andalusian colonists and the indigenous population. Languages like Maya, Nahuatl, and Inca would have been written in Arabic script.


This is true.

The only way I can see it being different is dependent on how aggressive the Marinids were in the Islamization of Iberia. Historically, the Muslim population throughout the entirety of Islamic domination in what is now Spain were a minority. In theory there could have been a surge of Christians into South America (possibly even expulsions) which led to a breakaway Colombian state?
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Postby Sarderia » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:53 pm

Imperialisium wrote:
Sarderia wrote:There will be no "Greater Colombian Republic" because there's no Spain in the first place. My app is still WIP, but the entirety of America was a Marinid colony - the Marinids wrote their exploration journals in Tamazight and Arabic, languages which were not familiar to Europeans, and did not employ Europeans in their exploration voyages. That would lead to a later discovery of trade routes to India, China, etc. but it also allowed the Marinids to set a firmer foothold in the Americas. So, most of South America was originally a Marinid possession, but basically most of them broke away from the Marinid Caliphate due to a "schism" in the Fiqh (interpretation of Islamic law), a general desire of independence, and due to the Caliphate itself being overstretched.

Perhaps a Muslim republic, or collection of Muslim sultanates would exist in South America. Also one more thing, the indigenous population isn't brutally killed like in IRL by the Spanish. They're gradually Islamized and there was a significant amount of intermarriage between the Arab/Andalusian colonists and the indigenous population. Languages like Maya, Nahuatl, and Inca would have been written in Arabic script.


This is true.

The only way I can see it being different is dependent on how aggressive the Marinids were in the Islamization of Iberia. Historically, the Muslim population throughout the entirety of Islamic domination in what is now Spain were a minority. In theory there could have been a surge of Christians into South America (possibly even expulsions) which led to a breakaway Colombian state?

Possibly the combination of expulsion to America, forced relocation, and mass migration of Arabs to Iberia. The major turning point in this timeline is that the Nasrids of Granada never surrendered Algeciras to Castille, and the Marinids won the Battle of Rio Salado. There were frequent intermarriage between the Nasrids and Marinids (which, eventually, leading to the dynasty being united), and multiple attacks from Granada to Castille and Aragon. They also invited a massive amount of Arabs - from the Maghreb, Egypt, and the Levant - to settle in Iberia, as well as Jews. The Marinids' stance towards Catholics wouldn't be as terrible as the Spanish Inquisition, of course, but they would still be forcibly relocated into dedicated regions. I think the Balearic Islands as well as Asturias would have majority Catholic population as the Catholics are forcibly relocated there.

Some of them would also serve as conquistadors and administrators in South America (the way Jewish Moriscos served to Spain), and I'd imagine many of them would operate/be employed in large banks and corporations (because banking is riba' or usury in Islam).
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Nation Name: The Kingdom of Italy/The Italian Republic
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Postby Sarderia » Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:07 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:Nation Name: The Kingdom of Italy/The Italian Republic
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You have Brazil as a colony?
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:13 pm

Sarderia wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:Nation Name: The Kingdom of Italy/The Italian Republic
NS Nation Name: Greater Liverpool
Map Claims: https://imgur.com/a/XkTaF2b (Subject to minor changes)

You have Brazil as a colony?


Yeah I have changed it now since more than likely we would-be rivals and with the strait of gib in your hands doesn't make sense for me to have an American colonial empire
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Sarderia wrote:You have Brazil as a colony?


Yeah I have changed it now since more than likely we would-be rivals and with the strait of gib in your hands doesn't make sense for me to have an American colonial empire

They would perhaps be rivals... the Marinids' policy in Europe is basically anti-Catholic and pro-Protestant. If Italy is a Republic they might be inclined to establish closer relationships with the Italians, especially if the power of the Pope is curbed significantly.
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Postby Imperialisium » Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:22 pm

Interesting. I also take it the Italian Republic has removed its territory entirely from the HRE?
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Imperialisium wrote:Interesting. I also take it the Italian Republic has removed its territory entirely from the HRE?


Pretty much, the idea I have will be Milan uniting northern Italy after the fall of influence of the HRE
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Greater Liverpool wrote:
Imperialisium wrote:Interesting. I also take it the Italian Republic has removed its territory entirely from the HRE?


Pretty much, the idea I have will be Milan uniting northern Italy after the fall of influence of the HRE


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Sarderia wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:
Yeah I have changed it now since more than likely we would-be rivals and with the strait of gib in your hands doesn't make sense for me to have an American colonial empire

They would perhaps be rivals... the Marinids' policy in Europe is basically anti-Catholic and pro-Protestant. If Italy is a Republic they might be inclined to establish closer relationships with the Italians, especially if the power of the Pope is curbed significantly.


While that does seem plausible, you would be completely at odds with the revolutionary Republic. They would see your caliphate as the literal devil and would be working to spread revolutionary fervour similar to what France did IRL.
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Free Ravensburg wrote:So the British empire controls the world in this RP? Based on the title


lol. Despite the iconic phrase being used, no it does not.
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Postby Sarderia » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:35 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
Sarderia wrote:They would perhaps be rivals... the Marinids' policy in Europe is basically anti-Catholic and pro-Protestant. If Italy is a Republic they might be inclined to establish closer relationships with the Italians, especially if the power of the Pope is curbed significantly.


While that does seem plausible, you would be completely at odds with the revolutionary Republic. They would see your caliphate as the literal devil and would be working to spread revolutionary fervour similar to what France did IRL.

Revolutionary ideas would probably not work in the Caliphate, because of the very strong influence of religion. The Caliph is both a spiritual and national leader.
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