2021: A New Decade (OOC:Open)

[Revlona]

The critical issue is getting the carrier from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean through the Bosphorus Strait since the Admiral Kuznetsov was only able to get through because it technically isn't an aircraft carrier and instead a heavy aircraft carrier cruiser. The Ulyanovksy would have had many more issues getting through the straits.

And making the ship conventional powered is possible, though it would be very expensive to do so since the Ulyanovsk was meant to be a blue-water aircraft carrier with a long cruise endurance and a nuclear reactor.

This, in addition to you are I assume referring to the [url=Ulyanovsk]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Ulyanovsk[/url] that was laid down in Ukraine? I agree on it would be quite difficult to have gotten it thru the straits.

Well it was meant to go through the straights anyways right?

Being laid down in ukraine and a blue water vessel

[Fossia]

I'm well versed in turkish politics, I believe I can help, what exactly were you looking for in your leader?

Someone centre-right or right, not Islamist like Erdogan, middle-aged perhaps?

Hmmm.... alr this is a little difficult, in Turkey the right is defined by its being islamist. The closest thing to a centrist party would be the current opposition party RPP (turkish abbreviation CHP), what you could do is have a minority government with the CHP in power and so to pass anything, they have to dumb it down to make it more centrist so that the AK Party (erdogan's party) will pass it.

[Langenia]

This, in addition to you are I assume referring to the [url=Ulyanovsk]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Ulyanovsk[/url] that was laid down in Ukraine? I agree on it would be quite difficult to have gotten it thru the straits.

Well it was meant to go through the straights anyways right?

Being laid down in ukraine and a blue water vessel

Right. I think the Soviets called them "aviation cruisers" so they could pass through the straits.

[Langenia]

Someone centre-right or right, not Islamist like Erdogan, middle-aged perhaps?

Hmmm.... alr this is a little difficult, in Turkey the right is defined by its being islamist. The closest thing to a centrist party would be the current opposition party RPP (turkish abbreviation CHP), what you could do is have a minority government with the CHP in power and so to pass anything, they have to dumb it down to make it more centrist so that the AK Party (erdogan's party) will pass it.

I think I'll stay with Erdogan then.

[Monsone]

Well it was meant to go through the straights anyways right?

Being laid down in ukraine and a blue water vessel

It was, but it was built at a time when the USSR existed, and if the options were letting the ship pass or war, the former would be chosen by Turkey and NATO. The biggest issue is the legal status of the ship since it is legally too large to cross as an aircraft carrier, and Turkey doesn't have the same power and authority as the USSR would have to let the ship pass.

[Sarderia]

Someone centre-right or right, not Islamist like Erdogan, middle-aged perhaps?

Hmmm.... alr this is a little difficult, in Turkey the right is defined by its being islamist. The closest thing to a centrist party would be the current opposition party RPP (turkish abbreviation CHP), what you could do is have a minority government with the CHP in power and so to pass anything, they have to dumb it down to make it more centrist so that the AK Party (erdogan's party) will pass it.

Actually you have the Ya Kanal Ya İstanbul (either Canal or Istambul) project that is campaigned by CHP mayor Ekrem Imamoğlu right now. If Erdoğan bulids that canal, he's probably going to lose the support of voters in the Istanbul metropolitan area. There is also the CHP mayor of Ankara (Mansur Yavaş) that would probably run for President. A ticket of both would be a serious contender to anh AKP/MHP politican

[Revlona]

Well it was meant to go through the straights anyways right?

Being laid down in ukraine and a blue water vessel

It was, but it was built at a time when the USSR existed, and if the options were letting the ship pass or war, the former would be chosen by Turkey and NATO. The biggest issue is the legal status of the ship since it is legally too large to cross as an aircraft carrier, and Turkey doesn't have the same power and authority as the USSR would have to let the ship pass.

But turkey is a member of NATO and the Vessel by then would be turkish vessel

[Mathuvan Union]

Am I allowed to do a german Kaiserreich here?
if it includes the collapse of the USSR?

[Chewion]

Am I allowed to do a german Kaiserreich here?
if it includes the collapse of the USSR?

I don’t think that would be at all realistically possible mate.

[Fossia]

Hmmm.... alr this is a little difficult, in Turkey the right is defined by its being islamist. The closest thing to a centrist party would be the current opposition party RPP (turkish abbreviation CHP), what you could do is have a minority government with the CHP in power and so to pass anything, they have to dumb it down to make it more centrist so that the AK Party (erdogan's party) will pass it.

I think I'll stay with Erdogan then.

Ye, thats probs the most realistic option if you wanted to go with a right leaning gov. btw if you want i can link you some good sources in a tg about turkeys geopolitical strategies and internal strategies/politics rn.

[Sarderia]

Am I allowed to do a german Kaiserreich here?
if it includes the collapse of the USSR?

Why would the Germans want a Monarchy?

[Mathuvan Union]

Am I allowed to do a german Kaiserreich here?
if it includes the collapse of the USSR?

Why would the Germans want a Monarchy?

yeah, it would involve no Nazis, nvm.

[Revlona]

Oi Russia

Watcha wanna do about the Northern Territories Dispute? 2018 IRL talks resumed about potentially reunifying them with Japan around the 1855 border if I remember correctly.

[Monsone]

It was, but it was built at a time when the USSR existed, and if the options were letting the ship pass or war, the former would be chosen by Turkey and NATO. The biggest issue is the legal status of the ship since it is legally too large to cross as an aircraft carrier, and Turkey doesn't have the same power and authority as the USSR would have to let the ship pass.

But turkey is a member of NATO and the Vessel by then would be turkish vessel

I know. I was talking about why the situation between the USSR and Turkey when it comes to the vessel is completely different. The USSR was a global superpower, and Turkey is a regional power at best. Turkey doesn't have the political clout on the world stage to do what the USSR was able to do when it comes to finding loopholes in international conventions and then exploiting them as much as possible.

[Langenia]

But turkey is a member of NATO and the Vessel by then would be turkish vessel

I know. I was talking about why the situation between the USSR and Turkey when it comes to the vessel is completely different. The USSR was a global superpower, and Turkey is a regional power at best. Turkey doesn't have the political clout on the world stage to do what the USSR was able to do when it comes to finding loopholes in international conventions and then exploiting them as much as possible.

(Insert Erdogan's efforts to wrestle Turkey onto the world stage here.)

[Mathuvan Union]

This leads to my second question: can I do an independent Catalonia, or a spanish civil war part 2?

[Sarderia]

Do we have a central storyline... some sort of an arc here, or the IC is free to all interactions?

[Monsone]

Oi Russia

Watcha wanna do about the Northern Territories Dispute? 2018 IRL talks resumed about potentially reunifying them with Japan around the 1855 border if I remember correctly.

Talks can and would likely be held, but in the end, a referendum would need to be held to see if the Russian people want to give up a few small islands. Though public opinion in Russia is not really in favor of such handover because from the perspective of Russia, Japan's claim that the disputed islands aren't part of the Kurils and hence should be Japanese is BS.

[Revlona]

Oi Russia

Watcha wanna do about the Northern Territories Dispute? 2018 IRL talks resumed about potentially reunifying them with Japan around the 1855 border if I remember correctly.

Talks can and would likely be held, but in the end, a referendum would need to be held to see if the Russian people want to give up a few small islands. Though public opinion in Russia is not really in favor of such handover because from the perspective of Russia, Japan's claim that the disputed islands aren't part of the Kurils and hence should be Japanese is BS.

The claim is pretty valid seeing as they were japanese up until the second world war, plus the are directly north of the mainland

[Fossia]

This leads to my second question: can I do an independent Catalonia, or a spanish civil war part 2?

Not an OP but an Independent catalonia is heavily unrealistic, the last chance that was realistically possible for Catalonian independence was in the 70s after the collapse of the fascist regime, however, obv this did not happen and that can't really be changed. What might be more realistic is to play as a more decentralized spain which after growing unrest in catalonia and the basque country in the 90s, as well as with pressure from the eu, adopted a swiss style confederation government. At the very least this would afford you the opportunity to do a lot with Catalonia, potentially everything you were hoping to do with it being independent.

[Chewion]

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=494770

The IC is up!

Side note it's been awhile since I was last really on NS so how does one get A URL link to be connected to a simple name like IC and not displaying the full link?

[Revlona]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=494770

The IC is up!

Side note it's been awhile since I was last really on NS so how does one get A URL link to be connected to a simple name like IC and not displaying the full link?

url=Put the name here]llink here[/url]

[Chewion]

NVM just figured it out.

[Chewion]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=494770

The IC is up!

Side note it's been awhile since I was last really on NS so how does one get A URL link to be connected to a simple name like IC and not displaying the full link?

url=Put the name here]llink here[/url]

Thanks mate.

[Mathuvan Union]

This leads to my second question: can I do an independent Catalonia, or a spanish civil war part 2?

Not an OP but an Independent catalonia is heavily unrealistic, the last chance that was realistically possible for Catalonian independence was in the 70s after the collapse of the fascist regime, however, obv this did not happen and that can't really be changed. What might be more realistic is to play as a more decentralized spain which after growing unrest in catalonia and the basque country in the 90s, as well as with pressure from the eu, adopted a swiss style confederation government. At the very least this would afford you the opportunity to do a lot with Catalonia, potentially everything you were hoping to do with it being independent.

Fuck! Perhaps I'll do another referendum and a civil war... there was one in 2017...