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The Traansval
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Postby The Traansval » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:45 pm

Revlona wrote:
The Traansval wrote:How are reinforcements going to work? Cause the Army of the Potomac seems anemic, it's got like about five thousand men. Consider the Union army of Northern Virginia during First Bull Run, which took place in July which is just two months from the current IC date, which had about 35,000 men organized in five divisions not Corps. I get it's weak right now because the war just broke out but it should be seeing some rapid reinforcements soon, and that brings me back to my original question of how reinforcements are going to work. Do you just post that new units arrived, and what guidelines would there be to that to protect against just grabbing units out of thin air.

EDIT: Made all the more important as the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia has about eight times the Potomac's strength currently lol.



Half of the ANV strength came from a player who joined up with the army I'll point out

Otherwise there are mechanics in place to ensure grabbing troops out of thin air

viewtopic.php?p=37955978#p37955978

This will be updated throughout the war, stating the total losses and total manpower available by the end of the war for both sides

Once a nation has reached a certain percentage of their total manpower in casualties then war enthusiasm will plummet and the war will be harder

Edit: The Army of Northern virginia only has 4 times that of the potomac and currently just finished a boost of reinforcements arriving, I'd assume Bols intends to do much the same in some time soon

Unless I counted wrong the Potomac has about five thousand men, and the ANV has 44,000 which is about 8-9 times more. Again I'm not trying to criticize or say somethings wrong just asking. Nothing wrong with the ANV having 44,000 since that's close I believe to what it was around now, just wondering what the Potomac's reinforcements will be. My one actual criticism would be the use of Corps by the potomac rn, which it didn't use in 1861. Also not much sense in Corps when theres barely enough regiments to form a couple brigades. From what I can tell the use of Divisions only at this point was due to the army being quite small, as when Corps were used later on it was with armies reaching 70,000 or above 100,000 men.
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Postby Revlona » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:58 pm

The Traansval wrote:
Revlona wrote:

Half of the ANV strength came from a player who joined up with the army I'll point out

Otherwise there are mechanics in place to ensure grabbing troops out of thin air

viewtopic.php?p=37955978#p37955978

This will be updated throughout the war, stating the total losses and total manpower available by the end of the war for both sides

Once a nation has reached a certain percentage of their total manpower in casualties then war enthusiasm will plummet and the war will be harder

Edit: The Army of Northern virginia only has 4 times that of the potomac and currently just finished a boost of reinforcements arriving, I'd assume Bols intends to do much the same in some time soon

Unless I counted wrong the Potomac has about five thousand men, and the ANV has 44,000 which is about 8-9 times more. Again I'm not trying to criticize or say somethings wrong just asking. Nothing wrong with the ANV having 44,000 since that's close I believe to what it was around now, just wondering what the Potomac's reinforcements will be. My one actual criticism would be the use of Corps by the potomac rn, which it didn't use in 1861. Also not much sense in Corps when theres barely enough regiments to form a couple brigades. From what I can tell the use of Divisions only at this point was due to the army being quite small, as when Corps were used later on it was with armies reaching 70,000 or above 100,000 men.


Ah you're looking at the ORBAT in my factbooks

I'm using that purely as reference

The Up to date ORBAT for northern virginia is in my most recent IC post

Wasi's corps is also right here

viewtopic.php?p=37957313#p37957313

Hmm, I can't answer that second part as its up to Bols on how he organizes the Potomac
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Postby The Traansval » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:07 pm

Revlona wrote:
The Traansval wrote:Unless I counted wrong the Potomac has about five thousand men, and the ANV has 44,000 which is about 8-9 times more. Again I'm not trying to criticize or say somethings wrong just asking. Nothing wrong with the ANV having 44,000 since that's close I believe to what it was around now, just wondering what the Potomac's reinforcements will be. My one actual criticism would be the use of Corps by the potomac rn, which it didn't use in 1861. Also not much sense in Corps when theres barely enough regiments to form a couple brigades. From what I can tell the use of Divisions only at this point was due to the army being quite small, as when Corps were used later on it was with armies reaching 70,000 or above 100,000 men.


Ah you're looking at the ORBAT in my factbooks

I'm using that purely as reference

The Up to date ORBAT for northern virginia is in my most recent IC post

Wasi's corps is also right here

viewtopic.php?p=37957313#p37957313

Hmm, I can't answer that second part as its up to Bols on how he organizes the Potomac

Ah a reference like those are the troops expected to be raised for the Army, but some haven't arrived?

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Postby Revlona » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:09 pm

The Traansval wrote:
Revlona wrote:
Ah you're looking at the ORBAT in my factbooks

I'm using that purely as reference

The Up to date ORBAT for northern virginia is in my most recent IC post

Wasi's corps is also right here

viewtopic.php?p=37957313#p37957313

Hmm, I can't answer that second part as its up to Bols on how he organizes the Potomac

Ah a reference like those are the troops expected to be raised for the Army, but some haven't arrived?


Yes, reference is indeed for the expected full strength with two corps

The one in the IC is for the current strength

I use the reference for names mostly and so I know what numbers I can't go over
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Postby Wasi State » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:41 am

So I'm guessing the 3rd Corps arrival to Winchester will go unimpeded then? Considering it's now May 7th without any incident.
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Postby Bolslania » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:44 am

Wasi State wrote:So I'm guessing the 3rd Corps arrival to Winchester will go unimpeded then? Considering it's now May 7th without any incident.



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Postby Wasi State » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:06 am

Bolslania wrote:
Wasi State wrote:So I'm guessing the 3rd Corps arrival to Winchester will go unimpeded then? Considering it's now May 7th without any incident.



Yup, all of Virginia is yours

Cool, just posted then.
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Postby Revlona » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:40 am

I'll try and have a post up later today

1st and 2nd corps will arrive on the 9th

I think with the reinforcements they were gathering plus the ones meant to go to 3rd corps should bring everything up to about 25-26k, still need to do the calculations though
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Postby The Traansval » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:35 pm

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Postby Langenia » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:19 pm

Alright, time for the first division to march! I'll make a post tomorrow.
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Postby Bolslania » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:35 am

Errr Traansval, a 50 mile march is going to take a Divison way more than 8 hours

Thats at least a day or 2 of marching

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Postby The Traansval » Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:42 pm

Bolslania wrote:Errr Traansval, a 50 mile march is going to take a Divison way more than 8 hours

Thats at least a day or 2 of marching

The division left the evening of the 10th, roughly around sunset which would be around 7-8pm. It arrived in Harper's Ferry after sunrise in the morning. That's about a twelve-thirteen hour march. I'm not an expert on this but I looked it up and the US army loaded march is twelve miles in three hours, so a twelve-thirteen hour forced march could cover fifty miles. I even mentioned how the Division's supplies, AKA pretty much everything soldiers themselves don't carry so powder stores, food, artillery, etc. is about a day behind the Division with the 17th New York guarding the supply wagons, because it can't be taken on a forced march.

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Postby Bolslania » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:10 am

The Traansval wrote:
Bolslania wrote:Errr Traansval, a 50 mile march is going to take a Divison way more than 8 hours

Thats at least a day or 2 of marching

The division left the evening of the 10th, roughly around sunset which would be around 7-8pm. It arrived in Harper's Ferry after sunrise in the morning. That's about a twelve-thirteen hour march. I'm not an expert on this but I looked it up and the US army loaded march is twelve miles in three hours, so a twelve-thirteen hour forced march could cover fifty miles. I even mentioned how the Division's supplies, AKA pretty much everything soldiers themselves don't carry so powder stores, food, artillery, etc. is about a day behind the Division with the 17th New York guarding the supply wagons, because it can't be taken on a forced march.



From my research it said 13 miles in a day, so normally that would take you 4 1/2 days, but because your soldiers are going with less gear, I'll allow you to cover that distance in 2 1/2 days

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Postby The Traansval » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:03 am

Bolslania wrote:
The Traansval wrote:The division left the evening of the 10th, roughly around sunset which would be around 7-8pm. It arrived in Harper's Ferry after sunrise in the morning. That's about a twelve-thirteen hour march. I'm not an expert on this but I looked it up and the US army loaded march is twelve miles in three hours, so a twelve-thirteen hour forced march could cover fifty miles. I even mentioned how the Division's supplies, AKA pretty much everything soldiers themselves don't carry so powder stores, food, artillery, etc. is about a day behind the Division with the 17th New York guarding the supply wagons, because it can't be taken on a forced march.



From my research it said 13 miles in a day, so normally that would take you 4 1/2 days, but because your soldiers are going with less gear, I'll allow you to cover that distance in 2 1/2 days

OK, I'll rewrite my post a bit.

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