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Government

Name: Kingdom of Sweden-Norway
Flag/Badge: Image
Head of State: King Oskar, First of His Name.
Head of Government: Absolute monarchy (King Oskar, N/A). However, by the Instrument of Government, a Riksdag of Estates shares authority over Sweden-Norway.
Ideology: Pan-Scandinavian (refused to aid Denmark, dealing a sharp blow to the cause), monarch, conservative, pacific, agricultural

Military

Army Numbers: 35,000 standing army, recruited and paid by a feudal system.
Navy Numbers: Two fleets, with 13 ships of the line and 6 frigates apiece.
Army Equipment: Napoleonic-era firearms and cannons.
Naval Ship Types: Ships-of-the-line and frigates, but courting the idea of building an ironclad or two.

History, Expansion, and Economics

History: The Kingdom of Sweden was heavily monarchist and rejected French revolutionary rhetoric during its time. However, officers in the military, sympathetic to the Napoleonic cause, forced one of Napoleon's marshals onto the throne, establishing the Bernadotte dynasty. Sweden hit a major economic crisis, and capitalist-liberal opposition grew handily until 1840, despite monarchist attempts to subvert the movement.

The Point of Divergence began in the year 1840. In real life, the capitalist-liberal opposition took a majority and began passing reforms. Proposed reforms such as departmental decentralization, compulsory school attendance, the abolition of guilds, free trade and enterprise, and women's rights pushed through in quick succession. In 1866, this would lead to a dismantlement of the Estates-based parliament towards a representative parliament.

In this RP, the capitalist-liberal opposition fails to gain enough political momentum and loses the election handily. They lose their grasp on Swedish politics and never regain their momentum. The monarchy continues to suppress calls for reform, but this time the populace is still on its side. Capitalist-liberal opposition, desperate for some victory, found a home in Norwegian separatism. As a result, the monarchy pushes for forced integration with Norway, leading to larger tensions and the potentiality of civil war. Guilds, the absolute power of the monarchy, and the Estates are still very much in full swing.

Sweden has a population of 3,500,000, and a nation that belongs in the Middle Ages. Whether they can manage to survive in this new age is yet to be seen.
Territory: All contiguous territory on the Eurasian continent west of Finland.
Economic Description: With a 90% rural population, Sweden now looks very much like a medieval society transported through the centuries. Sweden's exports are fish, iron, and similar raw, unprocessed goods. Industrialism is shot to all get out, predominantly because capitalist enterprises are all but abolished by the people. Guilds, the last of their kind across the world, run trade within cities like mob bosses. Cities otherwise have total economic autonomy within their walls. The crown dictates what enters and leaves the country with an iron fist, and reaps plenty of personal benefits as a result.

However, at least the economic crisis that befell Sweden in the early 19th century is over. Sweden enjoys relative prosperity, and the monarchy makes political hay from the relative boom.
Historical Claims: Sweden used to own Finland. While they ceded Finland for the option to acquire Norway, they still haven't quite gotten over the loss. Further, Pan-Scandinavian sentiment gives Sweden-Norway a claim to Denmark and its holdings worldwide.
I use my NationStates stats, because a population of billions/trillions and an economy of hundreds of trillions is totally viable, trust me.
But seriously, aside from the population and GDP, just assume that my NS stats are roughly accurate.

Support: Paleo-imperialism, conservatism, libertarianism, Christianity.
Against: Stupid people, resistance to industrial progress, alt-right, any form of government at or beyond socialism.

I hail from The League of Conservative Nations. Hearts unthawed, hearts unshaken!

Takaka Tar' Turayi,
The stars will be ours someday.

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Dragos Bee
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Postby Dragos Bee » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:21 pm

Zjaum wrote:Government

Name: Kingdom of Sweden-Norway


Accepted.
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Postby Quebec and France » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:24 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:
Zjaum wrote:Government

Name: Kingdom of Sweden-Norway


Accepted.

One problem with that application though, Ironclads don't exist yet.
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Postby Dragos Bee » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:27 pm

Quebec and France wrote:
Dragos Bee wrote:
Accepted.

One problem with that application though, Ironclads don't exist yet.


Sorry for the mistake - I thought that the History and Economic Description were good nerfs.
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Postby Dragos Bee » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:32 pm

Wait a second, Sweden-Norway does not have Ironclads - They're pondering building one, but the app does not say that it's even possible, which it is not in this time period.
Sorry for my behavior, P2TM.

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From Sick Man to Savior - An 1847 Nation Roleplay

Postby Quebec and France » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:44 pm

Government

Name: The Canadian State (L'État Canadien), or Canada
Flag/Badge:
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Head of State: James Bruce, 8th Earl of Elgin (Governor-General representing Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland)
Head of Government: Premier Louis-Joseph Papineau
Ideology: Liberal, Democratic Nationalism

Military

Army Numbers: The Canadian Army is comprised of 15,000 men. Do not let their small numbers fool you though, as they inherit from the british efficiency in conventional warfare, while also taking a page in their past's book by also training in irregular engagements in a similar fashion to the French Militias of the French and Indian War of the 1750-1760s. Their usage of tactical doctrines make them incredibly capable opponents, even when outnumbered. On the aspect of manpower replenishment though, they have the shorthand of the stick.
Navy Numbers: The Canadian Navy possesses 20 ships, an admirable number for such a young nation. The crews were trained by the Royal Navy and serve principally as cost guard units. However, they still remain a force to be reckoned with when fighting on their grounds. The Ministry of the Armed Forces is currently attempting to increase the size of the Navy without sending the nation into bankruptcy, a task genuinely harder than expected for the newborn state.
Army Equipment: To compensate for its small landforce, the Canadian Army operates very differently from contemporary militaries. One of its key military principles is the Section Doctrine. A section is an operational unit of 15 soldiers capable of operating on their own for extended periods of time. Soldiers are given specialised training, but regardless of that, they all carry Colt Walker revolvers in .44 Caliber as backup weapons. 6 of the section is made up of regular infantry, carrying M1843 Side-Lever Hall Carbines. The rifled breechloaders allowed the troops to fire cylindro-conoidal bullet paper-cartridges at a much higher rate than one could fire a muzzle-loading rifle or a smoothbore musket for that matter. 5 of the remaining men are further trained in the arts of marksmanship and are equiped with a Kammerlader-pattern breechloading rifle. The 890mm barrel carries a 6x magnified scope that ends short of the action, allowing long-range target-acquisition and increased precision while its pivoting breechblock and locking mechanism make for a tight gas seal which improves performance and the shooter's safety. 2 of the other troops are armed with percussion double-barrel shotguns and the last two use Colt Second Model Ring Lever rifle with a modification allowing to remove and change the cylinder. These troops carried 5 cylinders and the required materials to reload them.
Naval Ship Types: The Canadian Navy uses 20 former-Royal Navy vessels for its sea-going operations. They are all sailships and came armed with 20 Paixhans-pattern guns capable of launching explosive shells in a flat-trajectory on each side in 2 equal rows. They also come equiped with 10 breechloading swivel guns, 6 at the front and 4 at the back.

History, Expansion, and Economics

History:

1840: John Lambton, 1st Earl of Durham, dies when his ship headed for the Canadian colonies sinks off the coast of Newfoundland. In his place, the British Government sends James Bruce, 8th Earl of Elgin, to negotiate with the Patriot rebels and decide the fate of Upper and Lower Canada. Upon arrival, he witnesses the marks of past governors's abuse. He also comes to the quick conclusion that the French-Canadians couldn't be assimilated into submission and that their loyalty had a cost. Stumbling upon the 92 Resolutions of 1834, he managed to pull several Patriote leaders out of their temporary detention. In what is now known as the Montréal Conference, Lord Elgin debated and dialogued with the likes of Louis-Joseph Papineau, the Nelson Brothers, François-Marie-Thomas Chevalier de Lorimier and Charles Hindelang, discussing the 92 Resolutions and the hope of finding a middle-ground. They reached an 8-point agreement narrowing down the demands to the following:

- The Ability to run their own domestic policy without being overruled by the Governor-General;
- The Ability to create their own army, with the permission of using weapons unlike that of Britain;
- A new constitution, written by Canadians for Canadians, that London will not be able to modify;
- The Permission for Canada to mint its own currency and create its own banks;
- Assistance from the United Kingdom in Canada's industrialisation;
- Procurement of a minimal Warfleet for the Canadian State's own defence;
- The Adoption of a Flag designed by Canadians for Canadians, to represent the State to the foreign world;
- The Adoption of the Official Name of "The Canadian State" as Canada's official descriptive.

1841: After his arrival in London following the agreement, Elgin fowards the 8 Resolutions to the Parliament of Queen Victoria and PM Sir Robert Peel, which begins to debate the proposal heavily. Meanwhile in British Colonial Canada, Papineau and his followers establish a provisional central government, with the former leader of the movement being elected as President by his peers. Quickly, they set up a cabinet and begin to draft several reforms to be implemented should the requirements be accepted by London. A popular opinion poll states that that 82% of the residents of Lower Canada stood in aggreement with Papineau's government, while the approval rate in Upper Canada was at 59%. The colonies of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince-Edward Island and Newfoundland were invited to participate in the planned union, an offer that the last candidate would be the sole to refuse. A colonial Conference was held in Charlottetown to decide the shape and form of the new union, which would eventually be chosen as a federation.

1842: The debating in the british parliament c o n t i n u e s as the Federation builds up its credibility to the people. The Canadian Dollar is established in April and is defined as 1/3 of the British gold sovereign (1£ = 1.33CAD$). The Royal Canadian Mint is inaugurated in Montréal, the Capital of Lower Canada, and Toronto, the Capital of Upper Canada. It was however decided that the Capital of the State would be Montréal and that Quebec City, the first city of New-France, would take its place as the provincial government's headquarters. Papineau and his cabinet therefore start setting up office in the Colonial Parliament, anxiously waiting for a response from London. In the meantime, the Canadian Army is established, with soldiers and officers recruited from the British Army Presence in Colonial Canada, aswell as from the former Patriote Milita. All those interested and over the age of 18 could enlist for a period of 4 years, with men serving as fantassins and women being trained as nurses and secretaries, though some would still go on the front alongside their male counterparts. Native Americans were also promised voting rights, respect of their culture, and designated territories. The Ministry of Indian Affairs is created to set up said territories and further negotiate in a more boots-on-the-ground manner.

1843: IT HAS HAPPENED! After more than a year of debating, the British Government finally accepts the resolutions as written. The President and his inner circle finalize work on the constitution that had been started as soon as the Earl departed for London. It is officially put in play on July 1st, 1843. Papineau changes his title to that of Prime Minister, and a returning Lord Elgin is installed as the Governor-General of Canada, representing Queen Victoria's oversight of the nation. Following previous colonial borders, the members states are formed as Provinces, with the Province of Canada divided back into Upper and Lower Canada, now respectively taking the names of Ontario and Quebec. Procurrement of the Navy that was promised in the Resolutions starts. Industrialisation takes a leap forward as capital from across the Atlantic was invested in rapid modernisation. The resolutions begin to be filled one by one.

1844: With the aid of Governor Elgin, electoral posts are set up to be accessible by all the population and the 1st General Election of Canada is held on February 2nd. The Vote-counting takes another day, and on February 4th the First ministers of All Canada are elected: Papineau as Canadian Premier, George Brown as Prime Minister of Ontario, Louis-Hippolyte La Fontaine for Quebec, Charles Fisher for New-Brunswick, James Boyle Uniacke for Nova-Scotia and George Coles for Prince-Edward Island. Robert Nelson is appointed Ambassador to the United Kingdom while Chevalier de Lorimier is sent to the United States and Charles Hindelang goes to serve as Counselor to the French Embassy. Several foreign and domestic Arms makers are invited to trials, meant to replace the notoriously slow-reloading Brunswick Rifle. People like Samuel Colt, William and Charles Scott, Simeon North and others came to the trial, and several weapons were adopted. Général en Chef Wolfred Nelson explained this acquisition of several rifle types at a time by his novel Section Doctrine (see "Army Equipment") which became the defining trait of Canada's Armed Force. Towards the end of the year, 50 vessels coming from England sail across the Atlantic to continue their career as Canadian naval assets, with british officers training the crews. Meanwhile, the Comité de l'Identité Nationale Canadienne is formed to attend the vexillographic and heraldic needs of the new State.

1845: The CIN forwards its selections to the Government, who characteristically asked the people's opinion on the matter in a referendum resulting in the formal adoption of the Canadian Flag and Coat of Arms. British troops begin to return to the UK as the Canadian soldiers take their places, inheriting the fortifications the English built over the last 30 years. The Education system begins to be laicized, with more schools being built and primary education being made obligatory until the age of 11. More and more factories are created to increase productivity, and while working conditions are horrible by 2020 standards, they are significantly better than those that IRL works had to face, with laws forcing industrial owners to provide affordable housings to their workers. The work hours are limited to 72 for men and 60 for women. A protectionist economic policy is adopted to avoid american attempts to drown the Canadian market. A natality policy is installed, stating that families will recieve 50CAD$ per child, with the sole goal of increasing Canada's population growth. French and English are officially made the official languages of Canada, however efforts are made to raise the next generation as french-speakers.

1846: The Canadian Army adopts the cylindro-conoidal bullet (an earlier version of the Minié ball that dates to 1832-1836) for its breech-loading weapons, going against the British Ordinance Department's decision to stick to round balls. Further modernisation of the army is put in priority, with a new rifle being designed to use self-contained cartridges similar to the ones made for the 1812 Pauly breechloader. Social reforms are envisioned in the factories, and the government begins to construct a railroad going from Torontow to Halifax. The Citadelle de Québec's construction is concluded early thanks to british investment, becoming the new headquarters and the main military installation of the Army.

Territory: The 1840 Province of Canada, plus Nova-Scotia, New-Brunswick and Prince-Edward Island.
Economic Description: Canada is a very young nation, but has a vast export market for raw materials such as timber, coal, textiles and fur. It also offers a relatively large quantity of manufactured products. It is also notorious for what could quite frankly be considered as a a ridiculous production of cereals, dairy products and, most importantly, maple syrup.
Historical Claims: The Rest of IRL Canada, Greenland and the Danish Virgin Islands.
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Zjaum
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Postby Zjaum » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:13 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:Wait a second, Sweden-Norway does not have Ironclads - They're pondering building one, but the app does not say that it's even possible, which it is not in this time period.

My sources said that Sweden adopted ironclads between 1860 and 1880. They certainly don’t have them yet, but I’m signaling that they will obtain them at the earliest feasible year. Keep in mind that even then that will amount to, like, two ironclads.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... istory.htm
I use my NationStates stats, because a population of billions/trillions and an economy of hundreds of trillions is totally viable, trust me.
But seriously, aside from the population and GDP, just assume that my NS stats are roughly accurate.

Support: Paleo-imperialism, conservatism, libertarianism, Christianity.
Against: Stupid people, resistance to industrial progress, alt-right, any form of government at or beyond socialism.

I hail from The League of Conservative Nations. Hearts unthawed, hearts unshaken!

Takaka Tar' Turayi,
The stars will be ours someday.

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Dragos Bee
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Postby Dragos Bee » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:14 pm

Zjaum wrote:
Dragos Bee wrote:Wait a second, Sweden-Norway does not have Ironclads - They're pondering building one, but the app does not say that it's even possible, which it is not in this time period.

My sources said that Sweden adopted ironclads between 1860 and 1880. They certainly don’t have them yet, but I’m signaling that they will obtain them at the earliest feasible year. Keep in mind that even then that will amount to, like, two ironclads.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... istory.htm


You're still accepted.
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Postby New Finnish Republic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:38 am

Is Belgium still available?
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Postby The New Byzantine II » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:57 am

Are rebel organizations/independence movements allowed or is this solely focused to nations only?
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Postby Union Princes » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:46 am

New Finnish Republic wrote:Is Belgium still available?

Yes

The New Byzantine II wrote:Are rebel organizations/independence movements allowed or is this solely focused to nations only?


Yes, we had a player playing as Hungary before disappearing. You are welcome to try to play as the CSA if the American Civil War goes off. If not, you can be as Hungary in the Austrian empire.
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Postby The New Byzantine II » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:54 am

The New Byzantine II wrote:Are rebel organizations/independence movements allowed or is this solely focused to nations only?


Yes, we had a player playing as Hungary before disappearing. You are welcome to try to play as the CSA if the American Civil War goes off. If not, you can be as Hungary in the Austrian empire.


How about a custom/alt-hist rebel organization, would that be a yes as well?
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Postby Union Princes » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:59 am

Read the rules, POD is at 1840, you got only seven years to modify a rebel organization.

However, purely custom nations aren't allowed
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Postby Bluepillar » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:37 pm

good luck. dont want to deal with a power gamer that keeps insting their nation will come out on top in every RP scenario possible and for me to be completely dismissed by the OP after Sarderia, who is overcompetitive, repeatedly threatened me with repercussions if my nation didnt do exactly what he wanted while o was trying to court France and become their friend (a terrible way to make friends, I might add. Getting sweaty over a nationstate rp and trying 5o force that kind of thing is kinda cringe) and tried to retroactively add further French influence in my nation so he didnt have to do so ICly. Apparently, being honest after the admin did tbe same thing is wrong. hypocritical double standard noted.

besides, banning.me after i said i was contemplating leaving is a cringe reaction thats obviously a "you cant quit. you're fired!" type of thing.

this RP has been nothijg but me stressing cause Sarderia was ruining my fun by being so overly confident that nothing could go wrong for France, with only vague references to agreements between OPs that implied he and Russia would benefit in some way. that struck me as extremely manipulative, and I apologize if I misunderstood his intent, but with our first interaction I can only believe he's a bad RPer more focused on winning the competition than playing a game, something Dragos admitted to after he said that Sarderia would ruin the game if he kept this up... and guess what? he kept it up.

shit.like this is why I left NS and have stuck to forum roleplays for two years smh. let people have fun, have a normal discussion for once, and stop making every discussion about how your nation is gonna win this and that. it's fucking cringe. like, RP isn't life, and I sincerelu hope that kind of confidence and passion is applied IRL cause it's a waste in an RP game.

so, frankly, good riddance.
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they/them, please.

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Postby Dragos Bee » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:48 pm

Bluepillar, you got banned for slandering a Co-OP on Discord. So stop.
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Postby Bluepillar » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:49 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:Bluepillar, you got banned for slandering a Co-OP on Discord. So stop.


I told you he was overcompetitive and manipulative in PMs after you told.me.your opinion about me. I also told you that (or implied it straight up) before. So, nah, if anyone DMs me about if I'm sending screenshots of exactly that. you asked.me.why i wanted to leave. i told you why. you shouldn't have asked if there was a chance you'd dislike the answer.

anyway, see ya.
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they/them, please.

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Postby Sarderia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:05 pm

Bluepillar wrote:good luck. dont want to deal with a power gamer that keeps insting their nation will come out on top in every RP scenario possible and for me to be completely dismissed by the OP after Sarderia, who is overcompetitive, repeatedly threatened me with repercussions if my nation didnt do exactly what he wanted while o was trying to court France and become their friend (a terrible way to make friends, I might add. Getting sweaty over a nationstate rp and trying 5o force that kind of thing is kinda cringe) and tried to retroactively add further French influence in my nation so he didnt have to do so ICly. Apparently, being honest after the admin did tbe same thing is wrong. hypocritical double standard noted.

besides, banning.me after i said i was contemplating leaving is a cringe reaction thats obviously a "you cant quit. you're fired!" type of thing.

this RP has been nothijg but me stressing cause Sarderia was ruining my fun by being so overly confident that nothing could go wrong for France, with only vague references to agreements between OPs that implied he and Russia would benefit in some way. that struck me as extremely manipulative, and I apologize if I misunderstood his intent, but with our first interaction I can only believe he's a bad RPer more focused on winning the competition than playing a game, something Dragos admitted to after he said that Sarderia would ruin the game if he kept this up... and guess what? he kept it up.

shit.like this is why I left NS and have stuck to forum roleplays for two years smh. let people have fun, have a normal discussion for once, and stop making every discussion about how your nation is gonna win this and that. it's fucking cringe. like, RP isn't life, and I sincerelu hope that kind of confidence and passion is applied IRL cause it's a waste in an RP game.

so, frankly, good riddance.

Hello. I noticed you have several grievances directed towards the OP and Co-OPs, myself in particular, so I would like to clarify this, respectfully:

We have an arc in progress for Egypt, and one currently in the making for Austria. You might not get the idea (even though the players already had discussions regarding this in the #general-discussions channel), but it involves a lot of internal trouble (primarily being driven by the Hungarian Independence Movement - however, the player left, and so we have no choice but to continue the storyline for the sake of roleplay and to provide other players something to get involved at). That is why, most of all, I urged people not to jump so quick into conclusions based on IRL history (such as Austria presenting a large threat), because this is again meant to be an alternate history roleplay. However, you seemed to get the wrong impression from my statements - and I sincerely apologize if I did say anything that is offending (if I did, it was not meant to be, and certainly not personal). These kinds of appeals are directed towards all players who participate in 1847, not just you alone in particular. (It's not personal).

As for agreements between France and Russia, I can assure you that there is no such thing (in fact, we have not talked about IC matters save for planning the Egypt arc and the Austria arc). We, the GM board, wanted 1847 to be a balanced RP so that no player would feel like they've been singled out by any particular GM, in the IC or the OOC. That is why each GMs picked opposing sides in this RP (I picked France, which is hostile to Dragos' Egypt, and which has a not-so-good relation with UP's Russia) so that every player could be engaged more in international politics by picking sides on preset conflicts (for example, the Egyptian arc).

In the end, 1847 is meant to provide an interesting and enjoyable avenue for participants to write alternate history. This is not a competition; this is instead a collaboration between various participants in order to craft a realistic and good alternate history world based on the premises. If you felt like it was otherwise, I can assure you that it was not meant to, and I apologize on behalf of myself and the GM board regarding any grievances you've experienced in 1847.

Thanks.
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Postby Dragos Bee » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:08 pm

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Postby Dragos Bee » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:22 pm

Quebec and France wrote:Government

Name: The Canadian State (L'État Canadien), or Canada


Accepted.
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Dragos Bee
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Postby Dragos Bee » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:00 am

I am taking a break from IC posting in the RP for a day or two, but I will be available for OOC stuff.
Sorry for my behavior, P2TM.

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Postby Saint-Domingues » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:26 am

I was offline so haven't been following the controversy that emerged last night, but I would like to echo support for the crux of Bluepillar's argument.

I have also had great concerns about powergaming in this RP by France. Iconism expressed frustrations in the Discord about "too much history happening in a short amount of time" and this is exactly what has happened with France. Rather than offer small PoDs the application is heavily overpowered, particularly due to metagaming to avoid every misfortune that struck France in the period and a series of very unrealistic changes in order to make France the mot powerful country in the game. In the original France application, which was accepted, the country had its economy almost double the size of what it was in OTL, something which put it at an absurdly-high level in comparison to even the British player, let alone any of the smaller countries. I've expressed concern about this on multiple occasions to the OP but this detail, along with the many other great advantages and erasure of any disadvantages before a post has even been made does not bode well for a fair RP, for me. Political tensions gone, any economic issues - gone. Debt - doesn't exist despite the mass of loans taken out. When I pointed out a few issues that France may face in this period the app was merely edited to erase them and also met with a pretty cold resposne.

Furthermore, the hostile way in which Sarderia addresses other players, shooting down their chances and being overly stringent on other player's plans because of such factors as low population due to the bad harvest (which in their app had totally circumvented) and the constant insistence on the superiority of France does not, for me, bode well for a fair RP. As Sarderia is co-OP and I am a newcomer to the NS scene I did not feel comfortable expressing these concerns publicly as I thought I would be reprimanded, but seeing as someone else has made these concerns known I would like to also state mine.

To me it seems like one of the co-OPs has no interest in playing fair in this game, and it does not appear like they are going to cut back on this. As one player has already been banned for publicly stating this, I would like to resign from the RP.

I hope everyone else still has an enjoyable time writing! Goodbye.

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Ard al Islam
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1145
Founded: Apr 14, 2019
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Ard al Islam » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:21 pm

I would like to declare my interest in this application as suspended until further notice, due to real-life issues.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Or, you know, you're welcome, if you're happier with me out of the picture.

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Dragos Bee
Minister
 
Posts: 2735
Founded: Jul 17, 2017
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Dragos Bee » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:01 pm

Saint-Domingues wrote:I was offline so haven't been following the controversy that emerged last night, but I would like to echo support for the crux of Bluepillar's argument.

I have also had great concerns about powergaming in this RP by France. Iconism expressed frustrations in the Discord about "too much history happening in a short amount of time" and this is exactly what has happened with France. Rather than offer small PoDs the application is heavily overpowered, particularly due to metagaming to avoid every misfortune that struck France in the period and a series of very unrealistic changes in order to make France the mot powerful country in the game. In the original France application, which was accepted, the country had its economy almost double the size of what it was in OTL, something which put it at an absurdly-high level in comparison to even the British player, let alone any of the smaller countries. I've expressed concern about this on multiple occasions to the OP but this detail, along with the many other great advantages and erasure of any disadvantages before a post has even been made does not bode well for a fair RP, for me. Political tensions gone, any economic issues - gone. Debt - doesn't exist despite the mass of loans taken out. When I pointed out a few issues that France may face in this period the app was merely edited to erase them and also met with a pretty cold resposne.

Furthermore, the hostile way in which Sarderia addresses other players, shooting down their chances and being overly stringent on other player's plans because of such factors as low population due to the bad harvest (which in their app had totally circumvented) and the constant insistence on the superiority of France does not, for me, bode well for a fair RP. As Sarderia is co-OP and I am a newcomer to the NS scene I did not feel comfortable expressing these concerns publicly as I thought I would be reprimanded, but seeing as someone else has made these concerns known I would like to also state mine.

To me it seems like one of the co-OPs has no interest in playing fair in this game, and it does not appear like they are going to cut back on this. As one player has already been banned for publicly stating this, I would like to resign from the RP.

I hope everyone else still has an enjoyable time writing! Goodbye.


I don't think either Sard or I are in the wrong for this. Goodbye indeed.
Sorry for my behavior, P2TM.

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Dragos Bee
Minister
 
Posts: 2735
Founded: Jul 17, 2017
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Dragos Bee » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:56 pm

Things are back to normal now. Let's move on with the game.
Sorry for my behavior, P2TM.

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The Order of the Sovereign Heavens
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Founded: Oct 19, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby The Order of the Sovereign Heavens » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:30 pm

I'm sorry, I also feel I have to tender my resignation for this RP. It's been good, and there's potential here, but I can't stay.
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This nation is not Catholic
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