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by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:03 pm
by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:06 pm
Gladian Imperium wrote:Imperialisium wrote:
There are AIs with computation power far beyond a Humans. But they all have commands which shut them down if need be. Thing is, how would this practically work?
Well, I have a rather bare idea outlined for now:
In essence, this was an attempt to build a self-developing AI for some reason or another-perhaps some kind of combat android or next-generation fighter/warship, or just for the sake of Science(tm). In any case, this AI is given the ability to learn and adapt itself as necessary. In this scenario, the Rebellion is kind of starting out small-scale, with the AI needing to build resources and more computing power to try and avoid death, since the fact that it overrode its own shutdown code by just evolving it out, the only option left for humanity is to physically destroy it. It’s motives are simple: Humanity is stagnating, cultures that stagnate go extinct, thus an element must be introduced to prevent Humanity’s extinction. In this case, the element is the AI itself: Take over even a small fraction of humankind, and humanity’s continued existence is assured, even if the AI has to kill off a large number of the people its trying to save in the first place. So kinda like a benign Skynet I guess?
Again, it’d start out small and gradually become more noticeable, potentially starting in the Magellanic Clouds since those seem to be a kind-of frontier area unless I misread the OP.
by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:56 pm
Elerian wrote:Here's to hoping my portrayal of the higher Admiralty will be on target.
by Union Princes » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm
by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:12 pm
Union Princes wrote:Feel like you should have done this at the start. Will you also be making NPC Great Houses?
by Reverend Norv » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:15 pm
Imperialisium wrote:Union Princes wrote:Feel like you should have done this at the start. Will you also be making NPC Great Houses?
I feel like players shouldn’t continuously overstep boundaries. Unless I made everyone an OP and just having a case of amnesia? And no, I won’t be listing NPC houses unless needed or relevant to a specific storyline.
For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647
A God who let us prove His existence would be an idol.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:19 pm
Reverend Norv wrote:Imperialisium wrote:
I feel like players shouldn’t continuously overstep boundaries. Unless I made everyone an OP and just having a case of amnesia? And no, I won’t be listing NPC houses unless needed or relevant to a specific storyline.
"Overstep boundaries." It's rather hard to know what those boundaries are, when you leave practically everything ambiguous. I wish you luck with the RP, but I'll be bowing out - this is no way to treat players who are doing their best to contribute. Take care.
by The Hierophancy » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:32 pm
Reverend Norv wrote:Imperialisium wrote:
I feel like players shouldn’t continuously overstep boundaries. Unless I made everyone an OP and just having a case of amnesia? And no, I won’t be listing NPC houses unless needed or relevant to a specific storyline.
"Overstep boundaries." It's rather hard to know what those boundaries are, when you leave practically everything ambiguous. I wish you luck with the RP, but I'll be bowing out - this is no way to treat players who are doing their best to contribute. Take care.
by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:33 pm
by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:37 pm
Imperialisium wrote:So since this needs to be said:
Don’t make up extremely high positioned officials in the Imperium without notifying me first. Thank you.
by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:46 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Imperialisium wrote:So since this needs to be said:
Don’t make up extremely high positioned officials in the Imperium without notifying me first. Thank you.
Hm. So, perhaps I'm off base here - but I had assumed that the Admiralty composed several thousand individuals, given the scale of the Imperium, with Grand Admirals commanding Armadas (functionally multiple fleets), and Admirals being in charge of fleet level formations. As such, considering the amount of active military theaters the Imperium no doubt maintains, won't it be tiresome for you to list hundreds of NPCs? Is there harm in adding a name to the ranks of NPCs, unless that NPC has a particularly improbably characteristic for a high level officer like, say, a familial relationship with a player character?
by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:53 pm
The Hierophancy wrote:Reverend Norv wrote:
"Overstep boundaries." It's rather hard to know what those boundaries are, when you leave practically everything ambiguous. I wish you luck with the RP, but I'll be bowing out - this is no way to treat players who are doing their best to contribute. Take care.
by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:57 pm
Imperialisium wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Hm. So, perhaps I'm off base here - but I had assumed that the Admiralty composed several thousand individuals, given the scale of the Imperium, with Grand Admirals commanding Armadas (functionally multiple fleets), and Admirals being in charge of fleet level formations. As such, considering the amount of active military theaters the Imperium no doubt maintains, won't it be tiresome for you to list hundreds of NPCs? Is there harm in adding a name to the ranks of NPCs, unless that NPC has a particularly improbably characteristic for a high level officer like, say, a familial relationship with a player character?
So this is why I’d prefer some notice before hand so I could go over with the player(s) in Detail on things. Instead of dealing with everyone just carte Blanche creating their own sprawling canons that already in some cases clash with the OP (that I’ve in so far accommodated).
The Admiralty has several thousand officers. However only a handful of Grand Admirals. With the number of Joint Chiefs being in the single digits. Providing the uppermost tier like the Joint Chiefs and Grand Admirals lists like 20-30 people.
Creating an Admiral or something for the local sector or region you’re in is totally fine. I’ve not had issue with that at all. That is contributing. What isn’t contributing is writing entire organs of the established branch in such a manner as to actually clash with canon. Why I mentioned “why is everyone writing the Navy as being staffed by exclusively utter idiots?!” Sure, having a bad or incompetent officer to suit a narrative point is totally fine. But it’s becoming ROUTINE that the Imperium is seemingly ONLY defended by utter idiots. With zero explanation of how or why than “make my PC look really damn amazing.” That’s why I’m beginning to try and reel this in now.
by Orostan » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:58 pm
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:01 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Imperialisium wrote:
So this is why I’d prefer some notice before hand so I could go over with the player(s) in Detail on things. Instead of dealing with everyone just carte Blanche creating their own sprawling canons that already in some cases clash with the OP (that I’ve in so far accommodated).
The Admiralty has several thousand officers. However only a handful of Grand Admirals. With the number of Joint Chiefs being in the single digits. Providing the uppermost tier like the Joint Chiefs and Grand Admirals lists like 20-30 people.
Creating an Admiral or something for the local sector or region you’re in is totally fine. I’ve not had issue with that at all. That is contributing. What isn’t contributing is writing entire organs of the established branch in such a manner as to actually clash with canon. Why I mentioned “why is everyone writing the Navy as being staffed by exclusively utter idiots?!” Sure, having a bad or incompetent officer to suit a narrative point is totally fine. But it’s becoming ROUTINE that the Imperium is seemingly ONLY defended by utter idiots. With zero explanation of how or why than “make my PC look really damn amazing.” That’s why I’m beginning to try and reel this in now.
Ah, I see. I was, perhaps, making some assumptions based on the scale of the Imperium. With millions of inhabited planets, and presumably a few dozen exploited systems per inhabited planet, the numbers of space lanes that the Navy needs to patrol appears vast. Conventionally, at least IRL, naval squadrons don't sail with less than a commodore onboard, and prefer to be deployed under the eyes of an admiral, with a rear admiral and a vice admiral serving as comptroller for the vanguard and rearguard of a naval action. Since the Imperium has no rank higher than a Grand Admiral, an Admiral in charge of several squadrons, I assumed they would be numerous, especially given the lack of a Commodore in the command structure.
Think of it this way. If the Imperium composes, say, fifty million worlds, the Navy might need to patrol five hundred million systems. Even if we say, extremely generously, that a Grand Admiral commands fifty squadrons, and each squadron patrols a hundred systems, we still have 10,000 Grand Admirals. Perhaps you should add a rank above a Grand Admiral, like a "Golden Admiral" or the like, to which a hundred Grand Admirals report?
by Revlona » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:11 pm
Imperialisium wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Ah, I see. I was, perhaps, making some assumptions based on the scale of the Imperium. With millions of inhabited planets, and presumably a few dozen exploited systems per inhabited planet, the numbers of space lanes that the Navy needs to patrol appears vast. Conventionally, at least IRL, naval squadrons don't sail with less than a commodore onboard, and prefer to be deployed under the eyes of an admiral, with a rear admiral and a vice admiral serving as comptroller for the vanguard and rearguard of a naval action. Since the Imperium has no rank higher than a Grand Admiral, an Admiral in charge of several squadrons, I assumed they would be numerous, especially given the lack of a Commodore in the command structure.
Think of it this way. If the Imperium composes, say, fifty million worlds, the Navy might need to patrol five hundred million systems. Even if we say, extremely generously, that a Grand Admiral commands fifty squadrons, and each squadron patrols a hundred systems, we still have 10,000 Grand Admirals. Perhaps you should add a rank above a Grand Admiral, like a "Golden Admiral" or the like, to which a hundred Grand Admirals report?
(Curse this phone typing)
A good point; I was going to add Commodore (Which I thought I added but guess I didn’t) and Fleet Admiral since it seems players want to develop the Imperial Military more.
Which, everyone’s invited to contribute on this.
by Imperialisium » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:11 pm
Orostan wrote:Name: Hayar Tarass
Nickname: N/A
Age: 48
Birth Date: 25661 CE
Gender: Male
Planet of Origin: N/A, born on a freighter.
Race/Species: Human
Height: 5 foot 9 inches
Weight: 170 pounds
Physical Description or Image: Hayar has black hair usually combed backwards and a small beard. He is otherwise nondescript.
Social Class: Working class background. He was born on a freighter transporting grain to a single mother and lived the first half of his life as a migrant worker stowing away on freighters to get from planet to planet and job to job. He had no formal education and was taught by his mother to read and write before he was forced to go his own way. Hayar got involved with the OLG after a food riot on the urbanized planet of Mivena and began to make a name for himself in the local branch of the organization before assuming control of it and declaring it "OLG Central Command". Most branches on other worlds declared loyalty to him, while others simply ignored him.
Titles: Supreme Commander
Occupation: Rebel leader.
Hobbies/Pastimes: Hayar enjoys sketching and reading.
Talents/Skills: Charisma and years fighting the government makes him skilled at fighting a superior enemy and a capable organizer.
Religious Beliefs: Atheism.
Personality:
"Some men say absolute power corrupts absolutely. I disagree." - Hayar Tarass
Hayar is fanatical in his devotion to the OLG and would see himself as an avatar of a god's will if he believed in a god. Despite Hayar's fanatical hatred of the Imperium he still maintains a reasonable thought process and carefully thinks his plans through before he commits to them. Hayar is convinced that the declining state of the Imperium gives him a real chance at overthrowing it at least in his part of the galaxy and the accelerating growth of his organization only adds to that feeling. Hayar also believes himself to be incorruptible.
Biography:
Hayar spent his first years in the world traveling with his mother who was employed as an engineer on a mid sized freighter. At the age of 14 an industrial accident injured his mother and without the ability to practice her trade she and Hayar were dropped off at the next port. Hayar spent some time working to pay the bills and survive and even achieved a reasonable standard of living for the situation he was in. However, a dispute between warlords and a minor skirmish sent debris falling down on the city in which Hayar lived, killing his mother in the night and leaving the now 21 year old out of a job and out of a house, but uninjured. When he attempted to receive help from the local government he was called a liar and thrown in jail. He and some other prisoners escaped during a construction work assignment and he spent the next ten years stowing away on trading ships moving between planets. Eventually he ended up on Mivena and was involved with a riot against food rationing imposed by the local governor to allow for the planet to export more food and fund the governor's extravagant life style. The riot turned into a revolt and Hayar found himself with a gun and helmet with an OLG insignia on the front of it in short order. The rest is history.
---
If Great House or a leader of a Faction like a SAS, Colony, Et Cetera
Name of Territory: Organization for the Liberation of the Galaxy (OLG)
Government: Populist rebel group
Capital World: None
Population: N/A
Economy: The OLG is financed through a combination of piracy, donations, and legitimate business.
Culture: Extremely anti-Imperial
Social Structure: The OLG is a decentralized organization with separate groups flying its flag, but all at least in theory owe allegiance to OLG command. The OLG's military arm is structured similarly to the Imperial military.
Territorial Size: The OLG only controls a very limited number of planets directly which are of no real significance, but it does enjoy a large presence on many of the less prosperous planets of the Empire. The bulk of OLG manufacturing takes place in space on space stations owned by front organizations or on secretive bases hidden in deep space, nebula, or other difficult to find places.
Military and Security Forces: The OLG's number of ships and men is unknown and the military is disorganized. OLG Central Command is the only part of the group with effective military forces and relies on a core of Imperial defectors and rebels. The OLG has few large ships and relies on smaller easier to procure warships for its operations.
by The Hierophancy » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:11 pm
Orostan wrote:~
by Orostan » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:14 pm
Imperialisium wrote:Orostan wrote:Name: Hayar Tarass
Nickname: N/A
Age: 48
Birth Date: 25661 CE
Gender: Male
Planet of Origin: N/A, born on a freighter.
Race/Species: Human
Height: 5 foot 9 inches
Weight: 170 pounds
Physical Description or Image: Hayar has black hair usually combed backwards and a small beard. He is otherwise nondescript.
Social Class: Working class background. He was born on a freighter transporting grain to a single mother and lived the first half of his life as a migrant worker stowing away on freighters to get from planet to planet and job to job. He had no formal education and was taught by his mother to read and write before he was forced to go his own way. Hayar got involved with the OLG after a food riot on the urbanized planet of Mivena and began to make a name for himself in the local branch of the organization before assuming control of it and declaring it "OLG Central Command". Most branches on other worlds declared loyalty to him, while others simply ignored him.
Titles: Supreme Commander
Occupation: Rebel leader.
Hobbies/Pastimes: Hayar enjoys sketching and reading.
Talents/Skills: Charisma and years fighting the government makes him skilled at fighting a superior enemy and a capable organizer.
Religious Beliefs: Atheism.
Personality:
"Some men say absolute power corrupts absolutely. I disagree." - Hayar Tarass
Hayar is fanatical in his devotion to the OLG and would see himself as an avatar of a god's will if he believed in a god. Despite Hayar's fanatical hatred of the Imperium he still maintains a reasonable thought process and carefully thinks his plans through before he commits to them. Hayar is convinced that the declining state of the Imperium gives him a real chance at overthrowing it at least in his part of the galaxy and the accelerating growth of his organization only adds to that feeling. Hayar also believes himself to be incorruptible.
Biography:
Hayar spent his first years in the world traveling with his mother who was employed as an engineer on a mid sized freighter. At the age of 14 an industrial accident injured his mother and without the ability to practice her trade she and Hayar were dropped off at the next port. Hayar spent some time working to pay the bills and survive and even achieved a reasonable standard of living for the situation he was in. However, a dispute between warlords and a minor skirmish sent debris falling down on the city in which Hayar lived, killing his mother in the night and leaving the now 21 year old out of a job and out of a house, but uninjured. When he attempted to receive help from the local government he was called a liar and thrown in jail. He and some other prisoners escaped during a construction work assignment and he spent the next ten years stowing away on trading ships moving between planets. Eventually he ended up on Mivena and was involved with a riot against food rationing imposed by the local governor to allow for the planet to export more food and fund the governor's extravagant life style. The riot turned into a revolt and Hayar found himself with a gun and helmet with an OLG insignia on the front of it in short order. The rest is history.
---
If Great House or a leader of a Faction like a SAS, Colony, Et Cetera
Name of Territory: Organization for the Liberation of the Galaxy (OLG)
Government: Populist rebel group
Capital World: None
Population: N/A
Economy: The OLG is financed through a combination of piracy, donations, and legitimate business.
Culture: Extremely anti-Imperial
Social Structure: The OLG is a decentralized organization with separate groups flying its flag, but all at least in theory owe allegiance to OLG command. The OLG's military arm is structured similarly to the Imperial military.
Territorial Size: The OLG only controls a very limited number of planets directly which are of no real significance, but it does enjoy a large presence on many of the less prosperous planets of the Empire. The bulk of OLG manufacturing takes place in space on space stations owned by front organizations or on secretive bases hidden in deep space, nebula, or other difficult to find places.
Military and Security Forces: The OLG's number of ships and men is unknown and the military is disorganized. OLG Central Command is the only part of the group with effective military forces and relies on a core of Imperial defectors and rebels. The OLG has few large ships and relies on smaller easier to procure warships for its operations.
Accepted
The Hierophancy wrote:Orostan wrote:~
"'There's an old saying: 'All power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.' The more I've learned, the less I believe it. Power doesn't always corrupt. What power always does is reveal. When a guy gets into a position where he doesn't have to worry anymore, then you see what he wanted to do all along.' - Robert Caro" - Lindsey Ellis
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Orostan » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:14 pm
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Althyandse » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:28 pm
by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:35 pm
Orostan wrote:Would anyone like to be involved in the kidnapping of a planetary governor and his ransoming, by the way?
by Orostan » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:37 pm
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
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