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Postby Bolslania » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:35 am

Orostan wrote:Would anyone like to be involved in the kidnapping of a planetary governor and his ransoming, by the way?

You're more than welcome to try

And @Sarderia, I used the name "Soviet" to describe Uri because that's who he represents, I haven't spoken to Uri at all this whole time. And I was under the impression that Valeria was in the main recess room with everyone else, I am more than willing to edit if I am incorrect on anything
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Postby Union Princes » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:41 am

Althyandse wrote:Once my character is accepted, kidnap me so that you kidnap a sub-empire, but mine is 1,000 feet and 6 inches

Your app was rejected so you are gonna have to remake it entirely
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And @Sarderia, I used the name "Soviet" to describe Uri because that's who he represents, I haven't spoken to Uri at all this whole time. And I was under the impression that Valeria was in the main recess room with everyone else, I am more than willing to edit if I am incorrect on anything

The meeting was entirely between the OP, Tau, and Sarderia. You weren't supposed to be part of it.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:45 am

Union Princes wrote:
Althyandse wrote:Once my character is accepted, kidnap me so that you kidnap a sub-empire, but mine is 1,000 feet and 6 inches

Your app was rejected so you are gonna have to remake it entirely
Bolslania wrote:
And @Sarderia, I used the name "Soviet" to describe Uri because that's who he represents, I haven't spoken to Uri at all this whole time. And I was under the impression that Valeria was in the main recess room with everyone else, I am more than willing to edit if I am incorrect on anything

The meeting was entirely between the OP, Tau, and Sarderia. You weren't supposed to be part of it.


My impression was that the Princess is in her own viewing box, effectively.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:55 am

Ah, I saw a bunch of new apps getting reviewed and accepted and wanted to ask again if this edited version of Líszt is fine and acceptable?
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Postby Segmentia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:22 am

If you guys wanted to more or less ensure this new tax was defeated, you should have tried to get to the Rosewoods on board. They have a not insignificant amount of leverage and allies in the Senate :p
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:42 am

Segmentia wrote:If you guys wanted to more or less ensure this new tax was defeated, you should have tried to get to the Rosewoods on board. They have a not insignificant amount of leverage and allies in the Senate :p


Eh. There are allies, and then there are allies. In terms of politics in the Senate you're dealing more with macropolitical forces than individual Houses, given the number of voting bodies. House Rosewood might be able to pull in a few dozen votes one way or another, but set against a few thousand Houses casting their ballots, it'll be largely up to Imp and the NPCs either way.
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Postby Segmentia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:52 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Segmentia wrote:If you guys wanted to more or less ensure this new tax was defeated, you should have tried to get to the Rosewoods on board. They have a not insignificant amount of leverage and allies in the Senate :p


Eh. There are allies, and then there are allies. In terms of politics in the Senate you're dealing more with macropolitical forces than individual Houses, given the number of voting bodies. House Rosewood might be able to pull in a few dozen votes one way or another, but set against a few thousand Houses casting their ballots, it'll be largely up to Imp and the NPCs either way.


House Rosewood might not have a voting bloc of thousands, but it is certainly likely to be more then a few dozen. Not saying it would be easy to get their support either, to muster their full voting power they'd have to call in favors, etc, so those seeking their help would have to offer something substantial in return. You have to remember that this is a Great House literally as old as the Imperium itself, they have allies, favors, secrets, and economic leverage they can use to not outright defeat or win a vote on the Senate floor, but present a significant amount of votes for one side or the other.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:56 am

Segmentia wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Eh. There are allies, and then there are allies. In terms of politics in the Senate you're dealing more with macropolitical forces than individual Houses, given the number of voting bodies. House Rosewood might be able to pull in a few dozen votes one way or another, but set against a few thousand Houses casting their ballots, it'll be largely up to Imp and the NPCs either way.


House Rosewood might not have a voting bloc of thousands, but it is certainly likely to be more then a few dozen. Not saying it would be easy to get their support either, to muster their full voting power they'd have to call in favors, etc, so those seeking their help would have to offer something substantial in return. You have to remember that this is a Great House literally as old as the Imperium itself, they have allies, favors, secrets, and economic leverage they can use to not outright defeat or win a vote on the Senate floor, but present a significant amount of votes for one side or the other.


Sure, sure. But which of these allies are going to consider a minor tariff on a single trade route an important enough matter to vote with the Rosewoods?
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Postby Lunas Legion » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:00 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Segmentia wrote:
House Rosewood might not have a voting bloc of thousands, but it is certainly likely to be more then a few dozen. Not saying it would be easy to get their support either, to muster their full voting power they'd have to call in favors, etc, so those seeking their help would have to offer something substantial in return. You have to remember that this is a Great House literally as old as the Imperium itself, they have allies, favors, secrets, and economic leverage they can use to not outright defeat or win a vote on the Senate floor, but present a significant amount of votes for one side or the other.


Sure, sure. But which of these allies are going to consider a minor tariff on a single trade route an important enough matter to vote with the Rosewoods?


Which of them are going to view it as so important as not to? It gets some goodwill points for potentially zero loss depending on the ally.
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Postby Segmentia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:01 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Segmentia wrote:
House Rosewood might not have a voting bloc of thousands, but it is certainly likely to be more then a few dozen. Not saying it would be easy to get their support either, to muster their full voting power they'd have to call in favors, etc, so those seeking their help would have to offer something substantial in return. You have to remember that this is a Great House literally as old as the Imperium itself, they have allies, favors, secrets, and economic leverage they can use to not outright defeat or win a vote on the Senate floor, but present a significant amount of votes for one side or the other.


Sure, sure. But which of these allies are going to consider a minor tariff on a single trade route an important enough matter to vote with the Rosewoods?


Besides the votes they have who simply vote their way regardless, your post itself mentioned the reason could be as petty as hurting other Houses with the increased taxation. And as I mentioned, those Houses who want to avoid the tax who might have sought out the Rosewoods influence would have to give something in return. Favors in place of favors, etc. The Rosewoods are not a guarantee of success by any means, I doubt any single voting bloc is, but they are a significant modifier.
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Postby The Hierophancy » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:05 am

The Hierophancy wrote:I've been writing a several thousand word post about Nova Terra and byzantine Imperial Bureaucracy and what not to conclude with Alojs realizing he can't wander from extremely specific Imperial ministry to extremely specific Imperial ministry hoping for funding / time on the Imperial senate floor and thus deciding to seek some sort of sponsor. Just now I've realized it would probably be easier and more elegant to just start writing from that point - so, that said, any delegate or senator or what not whose Nova Terran office would humor a 7 foot tall weirdo who speaks like a historic holodrama long enough to get an audience w/ someone who knows something about esoteric and advanced AI technology (or someone who has staff who know about that sort of stuff) and cut a deal?

Repostin this before I send my paper into Imp for peer review

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Postby Segmentia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:07 am

The Hierophancy wrote:
The Hierophancy wrote:I've been writing a several thousand word post about Nova Terra and byzantine Imperial Bureaucracy and what not to conclude with Alojs realizing he can't wander from extremely specific Imperial ministry to extremely specific Imperial ministry hoping for funding / time on the Imperial senate floor and thus deciding to seek some sort of sponsor. Just now I've realized it would probably be easier and more elegant to just start writing from that point - so, that said, any delegate or senator or what not whose Nova Terran office would humor a 7 foot tall weirdo who speaks like a historic holodrama long enough to get an audience w/ someone who knows something about esoteric and advanced AI technology (or someone who has staff who know about that sort of stuff) and cut a deal?

Repostin this before I send my paper into Imp for peer review


House Rosewood is always open to cutting deals for tech and knowledge.
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Postby Revlona » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:39 am

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Postby Astarten » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:41 am

Ah screw it. Sorry but since I haven't posted ICly yet, would it be fine if I re-create another app? Just feel more inspired to play a great house all of a sudden :oops:
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Postby Imperialisium » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:41 am

Astarten wrote:Ah screw it. Sorry but since I haven't posted ICly yet, would it be fine if I re-create another app? Just feel more inspired to play a great house all of a sudden :oops:


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Revlona wrote:Oh boy oh boy, looks like Shara gets to kill some cultist

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 pm

Segmentia wrote:
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Sure, sure. But which of these allies are going to consider a minor tariff on a single trade route an important enough matter to vote with the Rosewoods?


Besides the votes they have who simply vote their way regardless, your post itself mentioned the reason could be as petty as hurting other Houses with the increased taxation. And as I mentioned, those Houses who want to avoid the tax who might have sought out the Rosewoods influence would have to give something in return. Favors in place of favors, etc. The Rosewoods are not a guarantee of success by any means, I doubt any single voting bloc is, but they are a significant modifier.


Hm, well, perhaps. I think it is difficult to overstate how insignificant individual Houses are.

Think of it this way. There are fifty million inhabited worlds in the Imperium. Better than half are Imperial, and perhaps half of those SASs and the like. So, only 12.5 million Great House holdings. Rosewood has 500 of these, and is without a doubt, based on your portrayal, abnormally well endowed. The average Great House might hold a few dozen. That means there are, oh, ~250,000 voting members of the Raumsraad. Even if House Rosewood commands the alliegance of a hundred other Great Houses, she only commands 1% of 1% of the total votes, no?
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:19 pm

Oh Orostan? One thing that should probably be clarified about tactical FTL - it isn’t, as a generality, workable. This setting’s FTL engines rely on complex calculations to avoid slamming into objects at superluminal velocities, unless I am much mistaken. Jumping into a planet’s gravity well without a Guild Navigator is going to very likely turn both warship and a good percentage of the planet’s surface into radioactive vapor.
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Postby The Hierophancy » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:22 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Oh Orostan? One thing that should probably be clarified about tactical FTL - it isn’t, as a generality, workable. This setting’s FTL engines rely on complex calculations to avoid slamming into objects at superluminal velocities, unless I am much mistaken. Jumping into a planet’s gravity well without a Guild Navigator is going to very likely turn both warship and a good percentage of the planet’s surface into radioactive vapor.

Yet more proof that the pathetic jump drive is no match for the superior Alcubierre warp

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Postby Segmentia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:23 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Segmentia wrote:
Besides the votes they have who simply vote their way regardless, your post itself mentioned the reason could be as petty as hurting other Houses with the increased taxation. And as I mentioned, those Houses who want to avoid the tax who might have sought out the Rosewoods influence would have to give something in return. Favors in place of favors, etc. The Rosewoods are not a guarantee of success by any means, I doubt any single voting bloc is, but they are a significant modifier.


Hm, well, perhaps. I think it is difficult to overstate how insignificant individual Houses are.

Think of it this way. There are fifty million inhabited worlds in the Imperium. Better than half are Imperial, and perhaps half of those SASs and the like. So, only 12.5 million Great House holdings. Rosewood has 500 of these, and is without a doubt, based on your portrayal, abnormally well endowed. The average Great House might hold a few dozen. That means there are, oh, ~250,000 voting members of the Raumsraad. Even if House Rosewood commands the alliegance of a hundred other Great Houses, she only commands 1% of 1% of the total votes, no?


If she commands the vote of a hundred Great Houses, she commands the votes of hundreds of Lesser Houses who in turn owe their allegiance to those Great Houses.

So, again, not a vote deciding bloc, but not an insignificant bloc to simply dismiss on crucial votes.
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Postby Orostan » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:23 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Oh Orostan? One thing that should probably be clarified about tactical FTL - it isn’t, as a generality, workable. This setting’s FTL engines rely on complex calculations to avoid slamming into objects at superluminal velocities, unless I am much mistaken. Jumping into a planet’s gravity well without a Guild Navigator is going to very likely turn both warship and a good percentage of the planet’s surface into radioactive vapor.

Then how did you get so close to the planet? Did you have a navigator? Also i was using an Alcubierre engine if that makes a difference.
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Postby Sarderia » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:32 pm

Bolslania wrote:
Orostan wrote:Would anyone like to be involved in the kidnapping of a planetary governor and his ransoming, by the way?

You're more than welcome to try

And @Sarderia, I used the name "Soviet" to describe Uri because that's who he represents, I haven't spoken to Uri at all this whole time. And I was under the impression that Valeria was in the main recess room with everyone else, I am more than willing to edit if I am incorrect on anything

He represented the Tianju Dominion as one of the Emperor's noble vassals. In the eyes of other nobles and senators he is to be seen as one of them; not a revolutionary, not a socialist leader, a noble. Also, from my knowledge, the Crown Princess was in her own, recess room (the Gallery) and that the meeting was between her, Uri, Polan, and the Praetorians - however if the OP wishes that any other character would know about this meeting, then I comply; if not, I don't think anybody else would know.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:49 pm

Segmentia wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Hm, well, perhaps. I think it is difficult to overstate how insignificant individual Houses are.

Think of it this way. There are fifty million inhabited worlds in the Imperium. Better than half are Imperial, and perhaps half of those SASs and the like. So, only 12.5 million Great House holdings. Rosewood has 500 of these, and is without a doubt, based on your portrayal, abnormally well endowed. The average Great House might hold a few dozen. That means there are, oh, ~250,000 voting members of the Raumsraad. Even if House Rosewood commands the alliegance of a hundred other Great Houses, she only commands 1% of 1% of the total votes, no?


If she commands the vote of a hundred Great Houses, she commands the votes of hundreds of Lesser Houses who in turn owe their allegiance to those Great Houses.

So, again, not a vote deciding bloc, but not an insignificant bloc to simply dismiss on crucial votes.


Sure, sure. As do the other Great Houses. My point is simply that even a notable Great House will only be one of several hundred pieces required to win or lose a vote.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:50 pm

Orostan wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Oh Orostan? One thing that should probably be clarified about tactical FTL - it isn’t, as a generality, workable. This setting’s FTL engines rely on complex calculations to avoid slamming into objects at superluminal velocities, unless I am much mistaken. Jumping into a planet’s gravity well without a Guild Navigator is going to very likely turn both warship and a good percentage of the planet’s surface into radioactive vapor.

Then how did you get so close to the planet? Did you have a navigator? Also i was using an Alcubierre engine if that makes a difference.


Indeed! That's what the Guild Heighliners are for. They're the easy way to get both men and materiel to a planet without cruising in from the edge of a gravity well for a few hours.
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Postby Orostan » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:51 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Orostan wrote:Then how did you get so close to the planet? Did you have a navigator? Also i was using an Alcubierre engine if that makes a difference.


Indeed! That's what the Guild Heighliners are for. They're the easy way to get both men and materiel to a planet without cruising in from the edge of a gravity well for a few hours.

Alright, I'll have to be more creative then. I will edit my post.
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