New Civilizations III ( OOC, Always Open )

[Alaroma]

Sup browskie, its I, missionary religions.

Sumer is next.

*strings bow with malicious intent*

hey hey hey brother, no need to pull out the 9- i mean bow.

I cant wait for a real contact between the two branches. Andrew knows imperialChristianityis out there vaguely

This sounds like it will be Jan Huss 2.0.

pardon?

[Joohan]

*strings bow with malicious intent*

hey hey hey brother, no need to pull out the 9- i mean bow.

This sounds like it will be Jan Huss 2.0.

pardon?

Look up Bohemia during the Religious wars

[Alaroma]

hey hey hey brother, no need to pull out the 9- i mean bow.


pardon?

Look up Bohemia during the Religious wars

doesn't sound fun.

[G-Tech Corporation]

For starters - the Hibernians would never just bend their knee to the Imperials.

Hm, I think you misunderstand. Hibernia is not an Imperial vassal - oh no - but her alliance with Icedonia is dissolved.

A message from the kings guard as opposed to the Queen be immediately suspect, and something which Icedonian advisors ( who are quite prevalent throughout the Hibernian military ) would point out. Plenty of information, discerned from Icedonians within Dublin itself would also filter out of the city into allied hands, making the situation imminently clear within a matter of days - further supported by the fact that Imperial warships would attempt to cross so far into the Channel and into the Western Sea ( which of course, would be met by Icedonian and Hibernian naval forces ).

'tis my understanding that, ICly, Patrick was still 'ruling', but the Queen was issuing orders in Patrick's name - something which didn't sit well with those who want Hibernia as Patrick wishes, not as Icedonia wishes. If you mean by the situation that Patrick's death has been reported, and that the Queen has gone into mourning, why that's just good practice. You must remember, of course, that this is not a nation with a history of any sort of coup, or politicking really - nor is Icedonia. Icedonian advisors won't suspect falsehood behind such a proclamation, because they have no context for such a thought.

As for "Imperial warships being met by naval forces", faugh. The Imperium is not at war with Icedonia, and certainly is not at war with Hibernia. Even supposing either power had the capability to monitor the English Channel or the Irish Sea to such a degree that no ship could pass unnoticed, which I very much doubt, a patrol squadron isn't going to be met by military force in any universe, given neither party knows of their intent. Sure, if a flotilla of a dozen ships was encountered, things might be suspicious. But if two or three Imperial ships in a place that is next to Imperial possessions are cause for scrambling of combined naval assets from the Dusk Union, I'll eat my hat.

The threat of Imperial has been made real, as it would take very little for most to realize this as a coup. loyal Hibernians, and stationed Icedonian elements would quickly move to secure, or at least, isolate Dublin - not merely a few rebels resisting in the countryside.

I'll again re-emphasize the lack of concept for a 'coup', not to mention the speed of movement of information. If a trusted man such as the captain of the King's Own reports the king's death, and the queen's sequestration, that will be trusted over rumors of such a nonsensical thing as a full invasion, vis a vis Occam's Razor and the king's own apparent advancing age which has made him unable to appear in public for many years.

I should also point out that this is not a coup - this is the pro-Imperial faction, or rather pro-Hibernia faction, within Hibernia, moving to against the pro-Icedonian faction in Hibernia. It is coordinated with multiple of the stronger houses of Hibernia, and with both their political and military support that Patrick II is crowned the new King. He enjoys popular support as a man trusted by Patrick, and an experienced leader in war, as well as one seen as above the corruption of Icedonian sympathies. Those who oppose him are those most closely wedded to Icedonia, certainly, precisely why those elements were isolated and made to bend the knee within a week of Patrick's "death".

From there, as news is then quickly sent into Icedonia - the Service's entire military will be mobilized to retake Dublin, destroy the traitors, secure the Channel, and prepare for war across the whole of Northern Europe. To think we would do anything less would be an extreme miscalculation on your part. To think that most Hibernians would approve of the coup against the man who gave them their empire, is also an uncanny stretch of the imagination.

The moment your warships would attempt to orbit in Hibernia's waters, would be the moment you proved Patrick's worst fears. For those in Hibernia who perhaps felt warmth towards the Imperium, you just proved the Imperial Boogyman was real, and that the alliance with Icedonia was justified.

In your IC posts, I should expect to see much, MUCH, bigger conflict.

Ah, but you see, Icedonia is pragmatic if nothing else. Will she fling her fleet across the Irish Sea to invade her former ally, hoping to fire sparks of resistance where all but perhaps a few have been snuffed out? Will she leave remove her military from restive regions in the midst of a crisis to put conscripted men into poorly-supplied and hostile countrysides against local forces? Will she send those same men against prepared Imperial garrisons across the Channel and merely hope that their deaths do not ignite the tinderbox that is Icedonia?

None of these things sound pragmatic. Certainly Icedonia might wish to maintain her ally - but soaking Hibernia in blood will not earn her the allegiance of a king who does not necessarily owe her antipathy, but instead seeks to steer a middle course balanced between the powers at his doors. Patrick II is not an Imperial syncophant, but neither is he a patsy for Icedonia, as you made Hibernia after Bort's departure.

[Joohan]

You must remember, of course, that this is not a nation with a history of any sort of coup, or politicking really - nor is Icedonia. Icedonian advisors won't suspect falsehood behind such a proclamation, because they have no context for such a thought.

I'll again re-emphasize the lack of concept for a 'coup',

Actually, you'll be forgiven for having forgotten this, as it was so long ago - but Icedonia actually does have quite a bit of experience with coups. Our war in the west, the one which placed Haston as the chief of the Danarran, was started by an Icedonian orchestrated coup. Like you intend to, after we bribed a shaman in declaring Haston the rightful heir over his brother, we quickly moved military forces into Danarran land to squash resistance.

And then, of course, the day of discord during our, black rain event, was just a cover for massive purges we used to kill disloyal members of society and supplant their positions with more loyal ones.

We're like farmers insurance - we know a thing or two, because we've seen a thing or two. Coups have been in our tackle box for at least twenty one years. The fact that an unannounced military parade to the royal estate proceeded a message by a member of the royal guard and known imperial sympathizer declaring Patrick dead, the queen in dispose, and calling for a council of the lords to elect a new king - we'd figure it out by the end of the day. Hell, a lot of the guys who are serving as advisors in Hibernia would likely be veterans of both the war in the west and the day of discord purges - so they personally would know what a coup looks like, seeing as how they'd orchestrated a few themselves.

As for "Imperial warships being met by naval forces", faugh. The Imperium is not at war with Icedonia, and certainly is not at war with Hibernia. Even supposing either power had the capability to monitor the English Channel or the Irish Sea to such a degree that no ship could pass unnoticed, which I very much doubt, a patrol squadron isn't going to be met by military force in any universe, given neither party knows of their intent. Sure, if a flotilla of a dozen ships was encountered, things might be suspicious. But if two or three Imperial ships in a place that is next to Imperial possessions are cause for scrambling of combined naval assets from the Dusk Union, I'll eat my hat.

Not so much mere imperial warships in the channel would trigger suspicions ( you have colonies along the coast after all ), it's more when they begin to veer up into the western sea. Imperial warships wouldn't make sense there - seeing as how they've no outpost there. Traffic being common enough in the western sea between Heims and Dublin, naval forces would hear of their appearance within a few hours, and likely set sail to try and tail them. Actions taken from there in would vary depending on actions taken by the Imperials. The channel wouldn't be shut down, but the Western Sea would be quickly swarming with boats once news from Dublin and approaching Imperial warships began filtering out.

that will be trusted over rumors of such a nonsensical thing as a full invasion,

Nonsensical, until your ships begin attempting to unload imperial troops onto beach heads and into Dublin's harbor - then it's made quite apparent.

He enjoys popular support as a man trusted by Patrick, and an experienced leader in war, as well as one seen as above the corruption of Icedonian sympathies. Those who oppose him are those most closely wedded to Icedonia, certainly, precisely why those elements were isolated and made to bend the knee within a week of Patrick's "death".

Those most closely wedded to Icedonia... oh, you mean: the Hibernian military, the Hibernian Navy, the Hibernian ship building industry, the Hibernian weapons manufacturers, the Hibernian black powder producers, the Diplomatic corps, every merchant and ship apart of the Callonia Company?

All of whom operate extremely closely with the Service? I am sure that a few rebel clan leaders are something quite considerable themselves - but Icedonia and Hibernia have been marrying their industries and military's quite closely over the last decade. You might have a few nobles on your side - but they have the guns, the ships, the factories, the colonies, and the money on theirs.

Ah, but you see, Icedonia is pragmatic if nothing else. Will she fling her fleet across the Irish Sea to invade her former ally,

The alternative being that they allow the Imperium to surround them on both coasts. Unlike the last Imperial invasion, the Dusk Union would have homefield, logistical, and numerical superiority. Through a combined effort, they could very easily repel any landed forces out of Hibernia - her western coast being not even a day away from the second biggest port in the Empire. Considerations for invasion of Imperial colonies upon the mainland would almost certainly be put off for much later ( not wanting to overextend ), but absolutely Hibernia would be fought for. Issac would view it as being no less than his version of Cuba.

[Suriyanakhon]

I cant wait for a real contact between the two branches. Andrew knows imperialChristianityis out there vaguely

Religion in China will be a lot of fun. Right now I'm not messing with religion at all - when I have to deal with missionary religions a lot will change.

I'm slowly building the foundations for my civilization's new religion, which will be centered around 33 Devatā (Goddesses) who are personifications of abstract concepts such as pāramī (perfections), jhāna (meditation), and bhūmi (elements) along with natural phenomenon, music, and health. It might potentially spread into lower China or Vietnam.

[Orostan]

Religion in China will be a lot of fun. Right now I'm not messing with religion at all - when I have to deal with missionary religions a lot will change.

I'm slowly building the foundations for my civilization's new religion, which will be centered around 33 Devatā (Goddesses) who are personifications of abstract concepts such as pāramī (perfections), jhāna (meditation), and bhūmi (elements) along with natural phenomenon, music, and health. It might potentially spread into lower China or Vietnam.

I think it spreading into both of those areas is an inevitability if you set up an empire to back it up.

Right now Yunnan and a lot of the area near it is hunter-gatherers, with agriculture being very uncommon in Yunnan especially. The geography of Yunnan also lends itself to more contact with China than Myanmar, so in ten years by the time China is rubbing up against the area there will probably be a well organized state there. A fun scenario might be the leaders of that state converting to your religion and making it the official religion of Yunnan in an attempt to get your support to fight off a Chinese invasion.

[Alaroma]

Think i knowthe formula i want for orphanages. state run farms, with poor families who need somewhere to lay roots to act as parents/guardians. trade schools nearby as well.

edit: by far the most frustrating thing is population. Im sure all but a selectf few feel that.

[Endem]

I liked your post endem! I think it has potential for a fun question of divine or mundane. Its something I try to practice to - both being plausibly a miracle and happenstance. I think its the best route to take in these sorts of narratives.

Thank you!

*strings bow with malicious intent*

hey hey hey brother, no need to pull out the 9- i mean bow.

I mean, I'l be sending missionaries there too so, there might be some friction ( once I actually establish my religion )

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

I liked your post endem! I think it has potential for a fun question of divine or mundane. Its something I try to practice to - both being plausibly a miracle and happenstance. I think its the best route to take in these sorts of narratives.

Thank you!

hey hey hey brother, no need to pull out the 9- i mean bow.

I mean, I'l be sending missionaries there too so, there might be some friction ( once I actually establish my religion )[/quote]

M-Missionaries?!? You mean I have another group of foreigners to do a rap battle with?

[Joohan]

My post's almost over, i'll finish it tomorrow. Got a title in the works:

The Children-Kicking-Camels of the Kester-Ana

[Endem]

Thank you!



I mean, I'l be sending missionaries there too so, there might be some friction ( once I actually establish my religion )

M-Missionaries?!? You mean I have another group of foreigners to do a rap battle with?

Well, in my case it might well be an actual duel because my missionaries will be much more different than the standard image of a hooded old scholar

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Good to see that this RP is still going strong in my absence. :p

I’m still exhausted from the last time I got hammered by G-Tech, but here’s a tentative tag so that in the event I decide to throw in another author in the future, I’ll at least know what’s going on.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Actually, you'll be forgiven for having forgotten this, as it was so long ago - but Icedonia actually does have quite a bit of experience with coups. Our war in the west, the one which placed Haston as the chief of the Danarran, was started by an Icedonian orchestrated coup. Like you intend to, after we bribed a shaman in declaring Haston the rightful heir over his brother, we quickly moved military forces into Danarran land to squash resistance.

And then, of course, the day of discord during our, black rain event, was just a cover for massive purges we used to kill disloyal members of society and supplant their positions with more loyal ones.

We're like farmers insurance - we know a thing or two, because we've seen a thing or two. Coups have been in our tackle box for at least twenty one years. The fact that an unannounced military parade to the royal estate proceeded a message by a member of the royal guard and known imperial sympathizer declaring Patrick dead, the queen in dispose, and calling for a council of the lords to elect a new king - we'd figure it out by the end of the day. Hell, a lot of the guys who are serving as advisors in Hibernia would likely be veterans of both the war in the west and the day of discord purges - so they personally would know what a coup looks like, seeing as how they'd orchestrated a few themselves.

Hm. I had forgotten the Danarran bit. I was, however, mainly referring to the Hibernians - who don't have any such concept. Having an outsider be suspicious about a government proclamation is one thing. But the Hibernians have only ever dealt with not-a-coup, which would make it quite the task to even explain to them what the concept is in your not-shared language, let alone convince them one is in the offing.

I should also note that Patrick Bryne, the captain of the King's Own, is hardly an Imperial sympathizer. He's a Hibernian, first and foremost. He might have a reputation as a guy-suspicious-of-Icedonia, but those are doubtless a dime a dozen in Eire.

Not so much mere imperial warships in the channel would trigger suspicions ( you have colonies along the coast after all ), it's more when they begin to veer up into the western sea. Imperial warships wouldn't make sense there - seeing as how they've no outpost there. Traffic being common enough in the western sea between Heims and Dublin, naval forces would hear of their appearance within a few hours, and likely set sail to try and tail them. Actions taken from there in would vary depending on actions taken by the Imperials. The channel wouldn't be shut down, but the Western Sea would be quickly swarming with boats once news from Dublin and approaching Imperial warships began filtering out.

I think you're a bit off base here. Icedonia has, at best, forty thousand inhabitants - probably more like thirty given her purges and generalized good times. Since Icedonia bases her military off of a professionalism principle supported by reserves, let's guesstimate that a normal 1% elite military force is in the field at any given time - four hundred men.

Now, a galley under sail requires somewhere in the vicinity of forty crewmen, barebones. No rowers, no marines, no nada. Double that for a reasonable marine complement and a few rowers, eight men. If we assume generously that 50% of Icedonia's military has been incorporated into the new navy, we're looking at three galleys worth of sailors/soldiers, if one is a bit understaffed.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume those ships are logically distributed where Icedonia needs them - along the southern English coast, protecting the route to Rotterdam, and patrolling the eastern seaboard for raiders.

That leaves, uh, nobody to patrol the Irish Sea, aside from the Irish. But let's be super generous and fudge that number, just to make sure I'm giving you said doubting benefits - perhaps a ship in the Irish Sea. What do you think the chances are that that ship happens to run into the Imperial expeditionary force in a body of water several thousand square kilometers in area? And if it does, how is it getting away?

Warning is almost certainly coming several days late, from loyalists smuggling information out of Hibernia - not from any naval patrols. And even once that warning is received, we are talking weeks to redeploy naval vessels, let alone raise reservists.

Nonsensical, until your ships begin attempting to unload imperial troops onto beach heads and into Dublin's harbor - then it's made quite apparent.

Sure, if you happen to be standing there.

Those most closely wedded to Icedonia... oh, you mean: the Hibernian military, the Hibernian Navy, the Hibernian ship building industry, the Hibernian weapons manufacturers, the Hibernian black powder producers, the Diplomatic corps, every merchant and ship apart of the Callonia Company?

All of whom operate extremely closely with the Service? I am sure that a few rebel clan leaders are something quite considerable themselves - but Icedonia and Hibernia have been marrying their industries and military's quite closely over the last decade. You might have a few nobles on your side - but they have the guns, the ships, the factories, the colonies, and the money on theirs.

I'm going to slap a big skepticism on this whole statement. Hibernia isn't an Icedonian vassal. Trainers, commercial orders, and trade relationships do not make instant political bedfellows - especially in the light of the normal trends of political maneuvering, whereby more established entities move less swiftly to exploit opportunities. Sure, Icedonia has support from some Hibernian clans - I've noted as much in my post. But those clans are the nouveau riche, the risk takers who embraced Icedonia fulsomely in order to gain power where they had little before. No doubt there is a cultural juxtaposition in Hibernia at present between those who have become more culturally Icedonian, and are viewed as progressives, and those who are uneasy with this level of collaboration, the conservatives with entrenched power who the landing was coordinated with.

I'm not worried about a dozen men with guns. Icedonia got her ships from Hibernia, not vice-versa, and her colonies of her own accord. Icedonia is a recent addition to the Hibernian political scene - one with influence, certainly, but hardly the most influence compared to the greater clans.

The alternative being that they allow the Imperium to surround them on both coasts. Unlike the last Imperial invasion, the Dusk Union would have homefield, logistical, and numerical superiority. Through a combined effort, they could very easily repel any landed forces out of Hibernia - her western coast being not even a day away from the second biggest port in the Empire. Considerations for invasion of Imperial colonies upon the mainland would almost certainly be put off for much later ( not wanting to overextend ), but absolutely Hibernia would be fought for. Issac would view it as being no less than his version of Cuba.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on Isaac's reaction, sure. As for 'easily repelling' landed forces at Dublin, that's a chuckler.

Icedonia has her forced dispersed throughout the Isles, holding down the Shetlands, Rotterdam, the Callonia Company, the restive parts of Britain recently integrated, Calais, Le Havre, even that ridiculous fort near Westpoint. Slice her garrisons up between those areas and we're talking a dozen or two dozen men at any given point, even assuming she doesn't leave a single soldier for home defense in Israel or her other vulnerable coastlines, which is madness.

If Icedonia sends the garrison at, say, Liverpool, across the Irish Sea with whatever local reserves they can scrape together in an afternoon, we're talking about a dozen men and one ship against the conservative Irish navy and the Imperial expeditionary force - even on pure numbers, not looking at their likelihood of being sunk at sea, those are very long odds.

[Alaroma]

M-Missionaries?!? You mean I have another group of foreigners to do a rap battle with?

Well, in my case it might well be an actual duel because my missionaries will be much more different than the standard image of a hooded old scholar

Bruh, most my initial missionaries are merchants. They’re armed ofc tho, it’s a dangerous world.

[Endem]

Well, in my case it might well be an actual duel because my missionaries will be much more different than the standard image of a hooded old scholar

Bruh, most my initial missionaries are merchants. They’re armed ofc tho, it’s a dangerous world.

How 'bout fully fledged warriors?

[Alaroma]

Bruh, most my initial missionaries are merchants. They’re armed ofc tho, it’s a dangerous world.

How 'bout fully fledged warriors?

Idk about that one chief, the whole warrior monk thing isn’t a thing outside the Royal Guard.

[Endem]

How 'bout fully fledged warriors?

Idk about that one chief, the whole warrior monk thing isn’t a thing outside the Royal Guard.

Well, if that's how you want to do stuff, I'll meanwhile be training a order of warrior monks ( and more ) here

[Alaroma]

How I’m the only one getting art for this place got me down bad bad. Except the maps, those are treasures

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

How I’m the only one getting art for this place got me down bad bad. Except the maps, those are treasures

art is mega expensive

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Idk about that one chief, the whole warrior monk thing isn’t a thing outside the Royal Guard.

Well, if that's how you want to do stuff, I'll meanwhile be training a order of warrior monks ( and more ) here

... wanna do a poetry battle?

[Alaroma]

How I’m the only one getting art for this place got me down bad bad. Except the maps, those are treasures

art is mega expensive

Well as long as y’all are happy with the art being mostly Aksum centric, it doesn’t matter to me.

[G-Tech Corporation]

art is mega expensive

Well as long as y’all are happy with the art being mostly Aksum centric, it doesn’t matter to me.

'fraid I don't got no art skills. The best things I do are, like, lineart.

[Endem]

How I’m the only one getting art for this place got me down bad bad. Except the maps, those are treasures

I mean, I can draw stickfigures, but I doubt that is what you would consider, high art

Well, if that's how you want to do stuff, I'll meanwhile be training a order of warrior monks ( and more ) here

... wanna do a poetry battle?

*draws blade* normal battle?

[Joohan]

Hm. I had forgotten the Danarran bit. I was, however, mainly referring to the Hibernians - who don't have any such concept. Having an outsider be suspicious about a government proclamation is one thing. But the Hibernians have only ever dealt with not-a-coup, which would make it quite the task to even explain to them what the concept is in your not-shared language, let alone convince them one is in the offing.

Just because it's not something that they'd personally experienced before, on a national level, they would be able to determine a power grab well enough.

1. Why is the King's Guard sending this message, instead of the Queen? Certainly as well, he has no authority to declare for a moot - something which, presumably, would be the sole right of Patrick's successor, his wife.

2. Hibernia isn't a big country, and even then, her population is very densely packed along the eastern coast. It would take only a day to walk from Dublin to the very south of the island, and only two to the north. News here, travels very quickly. Close the gates all you will, the whole town would have seen the kings guard marching toward Patrick's estate, and news would have gotten out before you could shut everything down. That shortly after such an event, Patrick was declared dead, the rightful queen in dispose, and some jumped up captain declaring for a moot would be - to put it mildly, extremely suspicious.

3. Compound these suspicions with the fact that their military advisors are telling them - ' hey, this is probably a power grab, we've seen marches like this before. "

" Really, where? "

" When our Sevrant did this exact same thing when he marched his Army into Stranix. "

Icedonian advisors almost certainly speak Hibernian as well - we did do cross training with their diplomatic corps, and it would be weird to send people without some native skill, or at the very least a translator.

4. All that combined, if there were any room left for doubt, the same day, or very nearly the same day, as the king was declared dead, the queen disposed, and a captain with no political authority declaring for a moot - Imperial soldiers were seen offloading onto Hibernian beaches. Presumably landing somewhere in the populous east, as there is practically no infrastructure in the west. Again, a densely packed small nation, news travels quickly.

Now, maybe the landed chiefs and nobles of Hibernia are deaf, dumb, and blind - but i'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt in this instance, and believe that they could piece this together without much difficulty.

Warning is almost certainly coming several days late, from loyalists smuggling information out of Hibernia - not from any naval patrols. And even once that warning is received, we are talking weeks to redeploy naval vessels, let alone raise reservists.

I don't mean a military patrol spotting them - I mean just civilian traffic enough would spot them. The Western Sea is the main focul point for commerce and transport between Icedonia and Hibernia. Fishing ships, trading vessels, transports, etc. Upon any given day, there are loads of people traveling those waters. Something like three imperial warships being where they are not supposed to be, would be quickly reported on both sides.

Even if Dublin proper has been shut down, the Hibernian navy has no idea what going on - save that they're receiving reports of incoming imperial warships docking on their shores. Heims ( read Cardiff ) is only eight hours away from Dublin - and not only is it the second biggest port in Icedonia ( behind Avergoine ), it is also home to the West Army Marine.

As for the matter of our navy and being able to man ships, you're relatively close to our professional army - though standing at around 1.5% at 500. We're not so disperse as you might believe. Our colonies with the Callonia company aren't manned by either full Icedonian or Hibernian garrisons. I can't speak on Hibernia's behalf, but the biggest Icedonian colonies of Callion fair and Rotterdam only have about 100 people in them. Their security is handled by the company, who in turn hires mercenaries from across the Dusk Union: Icedonian and Hibernian veterans, Callonian or Sinolan natives, diaspora northmen. These aren't very big settlements, and given an advantageous position - a decent fort with a robust timber wall, a watch tower or two, and some kind of artillery could very well defend those settlements from most threats with only a handful of men - save a serious army. The great majority of Icedonia's Army is still stationed in the Virtuous Land, namely around their home forts.

As for the manning of our navy, it really wouldn't be much a problem - though not for the reason you might think. Icedonia doesn't really have a martial navy - they've just never had the manpower for one. What it does have, and was the system used during the first imperial invasion, is the Meshantri reserve fleet. The Meshantri, as you may or may not recall, is the commercial arm of the Service, and as such deals a great bit with boats. They keep several warships on standby in the harbors of Heims and Avergoine, which remain unused until called upon by the Army. As for crew, sailors from the Meshantri are pressed into the emergency service of manning the boats - and as for marines, that is handled by the East and West army Marines.

The East and West Army Marines are both, first and foremost, a land fighting force. What marks them different from their northern, central, and southern counterparts is the extra training they received for amphibious operations. Were as the other armies know practically nothing about boats, save for how to sit in them, the East and West armies actually have had a bit of training ( and in the case of the East Army, combat experience from the first invasion ).

It would be these Armies and emergency vessels which would land in Hibernia to repel the Imperial invasion force, leading the way for the North, South, and presumably Central armies to follow - reserve armies ( those men who passed three months of basic training, as opposed to the standard six, would be called up to man the defensive home forts ).

The West Army, at the very least, would be in Hibernia at least within two days following news of the coup and invasion - and not far behind them the East Army, and all the rest to follow.

Sure, if you happen to be standing there.

Which, as previously stated, very small and densely packed country - not a lot of viable places to land beyond the east - yeah, a lot of people are going to see.

Hibernia isn't an Icedonian vassal. Trainers, commercial orders, and trade relationships do not make instant political bedfellows

Sure, we may not be bedfellows with everyone... but, neither are the rebels here. And, certainly, not the invading Imperials. Simply because certain clans don't like the Icedonians ( and again, there are lots throughout the military, navy, and industry who do ) that doesn't mean that they're suddenly going to support an obvious power grab by traitors in Dublin, and the invaders they invited with them. Conservative clans might not like Icedonia, but as this would be so plainly and obviously a coup for the knowledgeable men of the country, they're not going to support some ambitious usurping murderer who invited the Imperials into their nation - at least with Icedonia, their high king had made an alliance. The Imperial just showed up ready for war on their shores one day - just like what happened during the Imperial invasion of Icedonia ten years ago, and what scarred them into joining the Dusk Union in the first place.

Reverse the situation here, and envision the blackguard murdering Vladimir and Viktor, sending a message across the Imperium that a council was being called to elect the new Hegemon - and not even a few hours later, an Icedonian Army lands in Hannover and begins marching through the German countryside. Would those frustrated and conservative pagan first men suddenly flip allegiances and support the traitors and his invading allies? Of course not - that is ridiculous and unbelievable concept. Convenient for the Icedonians and the coupists, but not realistic.