New Civilizations III ( OOC, Always Open )

[Joohan]

It was an idea I had, I read the books to see if I could actually do it. Without going into a lot of detail, the triggering mechanism wouldn't actually be that difficult to make - but it was erratic. My base for the naval mines was off of David Bushnell's contact torpedo's, used in the Revolutionary war.

Oh sure - but who is going to manufacture clockwork for those? You'd probably be better off working with the flint-triggered models from Britain, if you know of those. Unreliable, sure, but inexpensive to manufacture, also sure.

Anyway! I digress. My main question was about firearms. One of the King's Guard is going to demonstrate an Icedonian model in my next post, so I was curious what you actually decided was logical to develop over the last timeskip.

Bushnell's design was flint triggered - half the time, it worked, every time.

Anyhow, I'm not sure what much there is to say - as I couldn't build a perfect replica of any particular model of flint lock. Essentially though: It's chambered in about .40 caliber, using bullets ( not balls ) which travel through the barrel's inner rifling. The rifling is down via a wheel operated lathe for uniformity and consistence. Barrel length is about 40 inches. Obviously muzzle fed: rip the top off a black powder cartridge and pour it in, then the cloth, then the bullet, tamp it down and rod it through. Standard flintlock triggering mechanism.

One deficiency which it definitely would have, and I couldn't figure a work around for, was the frizzen spring. Not so much in that we couldn't make one that worked properly ( properly enough anyway ) it's just that making wire ( as you know ) is a long and tedious task. That alone would be the most expensive piece of the weapon, and not cheap to produce.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh sure - but who is going to manufacture clockwork for those? You'd probably be better off working with the flint-triggered models from Britain, if you know of those. Unreliable, sure, but inexpensive to manufacture, also sure.

Anyway! I digress. My main question was about firearms. One of the King's Guard is going to demonstrate an Icedonian model in my next post, so I was curious what you actually decided was logical to develop over the last timeskip.

Bushnell's design was flint triggered - half the time, it worked, every time.

Anyhow, I'm not sure what much there is to say - as I couldn't build a perfect replica of any particular model of flint lock. Essentially though: It's chambered in about .40 caliber, using bullets ( not balls ) which travel through the barrel's inner rifling. The rifling is down via a wheel operated lathe for uniformity and consistence. Barrel length is about 40 inches. Obviously muzzle fed: rip the top off a black powder cartridge and pour it in, then the cloth, then the bullet, tamp it down and rod it through. Standard flintlock triggering mechanism.

One deficiency which it definitely would have, and I couldn't figure a work around for, was the frizzen spring. Not so much in that we couldn't make one that worked properly ( properly enough anyway ) it's just that making wire ( as you know ) is a long and tedious task. That alone would be the most expensive piece of the weapon, and not cheap to produce.

Hmm. I see.

So:
Slow firing - based on the close fit to tamp a bullet into a rifle, that’s a lot of shoving.
Hella expensive - tight manufacturing tolerances for rifling, bullets, and high quality metallurgy to prevent blowback
Very short usable life - blackpowder fouling in a rifled barrel barrel is going to cause serious risk of jams and catastrophic failure, not to mention serious maintenance demands

Still, should be useful here and there.

[Alaroma]

Bushnell's design was flint triggered - half the time, it worked, every time.

Anyhow, I'm not sure what much there is to say - as I couldn't build a perfect replica of any particular model of flint lock. Essentially though: It's chambered in about .40 caliber, using bullets ( not balls ) which travel through the barrel's inner rifling. The rifling is down via a wheel operated lathe for uniformity and consistence. Barrel length is about 40 inches. Obviously muzzle fed: rip the top off a black powder cartridge and pour it in, then the cloth, then the bullet, tamp it down and rod it through. Standard flintlock triggering mechanism.

One deficiency which it definitely would have, and I couldn't figure a work around for, was the frizzen spring. Not so much in that we couldn't make one that worked properly ( properly enough anyway ) it's just that making wire ( as you know ) is a long and tedious task. That alone would be the most expensive piece of the weapon, and not cheap to produce.

Hmm. I see.

So:
Slow firing - based on the close fit to tamp a bullet into a rifle, that’s a lot of shoving.
Hella expensive - tight manufacturing tolerances for rifling, bullets, and high quality metallurgy to prevent blowback
Very short usable life - blackpowder fouling in a rifled barrel barrel is going to cause serious risk of jams and catastrophic failure, not to mention serious maintenance demands

Still, should be useful here and there.

“ Though I made sure to assure the royal smiths “A spear tip is a spear tip, and they kill all the same”. As such, the royal guard would go into battle with Aksumite Iron. However the message was clear. Someone, somewhere, was far smarter than I was. Another one from my world, I could only assume.”

-Andrew having no fucking clue how right he is.

[Joohan]

Bushnell's design was flint triggered - half the time, it worked, every time.

Anyhow, I'm not sure what much there is to say - as I couldn't build a perfect replica of any particular model of flint lock. Essentially though: It's chambered in about .40 caliber, using bullets ( not balls ) which travel through the barrel's inner rifling. The rifling is down via a wheel operated lathe for uniformity and consistence. Barrel length is about 40 inches. Obviously muzzle fed: rip the top off a black powder cartridge and pour it in, then the cloth, then the bullet, tamp it down and rod it through. Standard flintlock triggering mechanism.

One deficiency which it definitely would have, and I couldn't figure a work around for, was the frizzen spring. Not so much in that we couldn't make one that worked properly ( properly enough anyway ) it's just that making wire ( as you know ) is a long and tedious task. That alone would be the most expensive piece of the weapon, and not cheap to produce.

Hmm. I see.

So:
Slow firing - based on the close fit to tamp a bullet into a rifle, that’s a lot of shoving.
Hella expensive - tight manufacturing tolerances for rifling, bullets, and high quality metallurgy to prevent blowback
Very short usable life - blackpowder fouling in a rifled barrel barrel is going to cause serious risk of jams and catastrophic failure, not to mention serious maintenance demands

Still, should be useful here and there.

I wouldn't say their usability to be very short - each rifle would come with a specialized cleaning kit to work out residue from the rifling as best as possible. After a couple hundred shots though, of course, is when it's usefulness as a serious weapon of war would be near it's end.

Other than that though, pretty much - that's why we gave them to the black company. Their only practical purpose was to punch holes into any Imperial troops who might be wearing steel plate - if anything were to happen in terms of damage, they could quickly drop them for more standard melee gear ( they being our elite expeditionary infantry and all ).

[Endem]

*me looking suspiciously at the conversations going on, while also trying to finalize the technical plans for a firearm I want to develop for this RP*

[Joohan]

*me looking suspiciously at the conversations going on, while also trying to finalize the technical plans for a firearm I want to develop for this RP*

where did you drop again? I don't think I put you on the map?

[Endem]

*me looking suspiciously at the conversations going on, while also trying to finalize the technical plans for a firearm I want to develop for this RP*

where did you drop again? I don't think I put you on the map?

I dropped my second author near the city of Al-Hofuf

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm. I see.

So:
Slow firing - based on the close fit to tamp a bullet into a rifle, that’s a lot of shoving.
Hella expensive - tight manufacturing tolerances for rifling, bullets, and high quality metallurgy to prevent blowback
Very short usable life - blackpowder fouling in a rifled barrel barrel is going to cause serious risk of jams and catastrophic failure, not to mention serious maintenance demands

Still, should be useful here and there.

I wouldn't say their usability to be very short - each rifle would come with a specialized cleaning kit to work out residue from the rifling as best as possible. After a couple hundred shots though, of course, is when it's usefulness as a serious weapon of war would be near it's end.

Other than that though, pretty much - that's why we gave them to the black company. Their only practical purpose was to punch holes into any Imperial troops who might be wearing steel plate - if anything were to happen in terms of damage, they could quickly drop them for more standard melee gear ( they being our elite expeditionary infantry and all ).

Hrm. So, not to contradict you too harshly... but my impression from the Ren folks is that you might get four or five shots off with even good black powder before ramming a ball is pretty much impossible and you have to pull out your pick and start scraping for probably a minute or three, if not longer. That’s useful, sure. But fouling is even worse in wet weather/humidity, and incomplete combustion, which I’d hazard even the finest Icedonian powder suffers from far more than modern replica blends.

I mean, it was your decision. I can work with what you made. I’m just thinking of how to portray these things responsibly. Rifled blackpowder armaments have their uses.

[Joohan]

I wouldn't say their usability to be very short - each rifle would come with a specialized cleaning kit to work out residue from the rifling as best as possible. After a couple hundred shots though, of course, is when it's usefulness as a serious weapon of war would be near it's end.

Other than that though, pretty much - that's why we gave them to the black company. Their only practical purpose was to punch holes into any Imperial troops who might be wearing steel plate - if anything were to happen in terms of damage, they could quickly drop them for more standard melee gear ( they being our elite expeditionary infantry and all ).

Hrm. So, not to contradict you too harshly... but my impression from the Ren folks is that you might get four or five shots off with even good black powder before ramming a ball is pretty much impossible and you have to pull out your pick and start scraping for probably a minute or three, if not longer. That’s useful, sure. But fouling is even worse in wet weather/humidity, and incomplete combustion, which I’d hazard even the finest Icedonian powder suffers from far more than modern replica blends.

I mean, it was your decision. I can work with what you made. I’m just thinking of how to portray these things responsibly. Rifled blackpowder armaments have their uses.

Oh, I thought you meant short lifespan - not firing time. Yeah yeah, this is only going to get a couple of shots off before it needs to get cleaned. It's focus is precision, not volume of fire, for which we have bows.

[Suriyanakhon]

Kind of surprised that the Commonwealth is still on the map, I thought the war with the Imperium had caused them to disintegrate?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Kind of surprised that the Commonwealth is still on the map, I thought the war with the Imperium had caused them to disintegrate?

‘tis a useful blob for remembering things. And Svea Rike may or may not be a thing.

[Alaroma]

Kind of surprised that the Commonwealth is still on the map, I thought the war with the Imperium had caused them to disintegrate?

‘tis a useful blob for remembering things. And Svea Rike may or may not be a thing.

Whats the state of Christianity in the north?

[G-Tech Corporation]

‘tis a useful blob for remembering things. And Svea Rike may or may not be a thing.

Whats the state of Christianity in the north?

A minor cult in Europa. C’est la vie.

[Alaroma]

Whats the state of Christianity in the north?

A minor cult in Europa. C’est la vie.

I cant wait for a real contact between the two branches. Andrew knows imperialChristianityis out there vaguely

[G-Tech Corporation]

A minor cult in Europa. C’est la vie.

I cant wait for a real contact between the two branches. Andrew knows imperialChristianityis out there vaguely

'twill be an interesting juxtaposition

[Joohan]

Patrick II?

You are aware that it's Patrick's wife who is currently High Queen yes? I think that i've made mention of it before in one of my 2970 posts - she'll be attending my funeral anyway.

[Endem]

Sleep be dammed I made a post!

How is the post, any good?

[Orostan]

A minor cult in Europa. C’est la vie.

I cant wait for a real contact between the two branches. Andrew knows imperialChristianityis out there vaguely

Religion in China will be a lot of fun. Right now I'm not messing with religion at all - when I have to deal with missionary religions a lot will change.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Patrick II?

You are aware that it's Patrick's wife who is currently High Queen yes? I think that i've made mention of it before in one of my 2970 posts - she'll be attending my funeral anyway.

You may want to read the IC

[Alaroma]

I cant wait for a real contact between the two branches. Andrew knows imperialChristianityis out there vaguely

Religion in China will be a lot of fun. Right now I'm not messing with religion at all - when I have to deal with missionary religions a lot will change.

Sup browskie, its I, missionary religions.

Sumer is next.

[Endem]

Religion in China will be a lot of fun. Right now I'm not messing with religion at all - when I have to deal with missionary religions a lot will change.

Sup browskie, its I, missionary religions.

Sumer is next.

*strings bow with malicious intent*

[Joohan]

Patrick II?

You are aware that it's Patrick's wife who is currently High Queen yes? I think that i've made mention of it before in one of my 2970 posts - she'll be attending my funeral anyway.

You may want to read the IC

ew, I just did - and I seriously doubt it's realism.

For starters - the Hibernians would never just bend their knee to the Imperials. The whole point of the Dusk Union was to prevent an Imperial invasion; something that would be made imminently manifest upon the sight of several imperial warships approaching Dublin. A message from the kings guard as opposed to the Queen be immediately suspect, and something which Icedonian advisors ( who are quite prevalent throughout the Hibernian military ) would point out. Plenty of information, discerned from Icedonians within Dublin itself would also filter out of the city into allied hands, making the situation imminently clear within a matter of days - further supported by the fact that Imperial warships would attempt to cross so far into the Channel and into the Western Sea ( which of course, would be met by Icedonian and Hibernian naval forces ).

The threat of Imperial has been made real, as it would take very little for most to realize this as a coup. loyal Hibernians, and stationed Icedonian elements would quickly move to secure, or at least, isolate Dublin - not merely a few rebels resisting in the countryside.

From there, as news is then quickly sent into Icedonia - the Service's entire military will be mobilized to retake Dublin, destroy the traitors, secure the Channel, and prepare for war across the whole of Northern Europe. To think we would do anything less would be an extreme miscalculation on your part. To think that most Hibernians would approve of the coup against the man who gave them their empire, is also an uncanny stretch of the imagination.

The moment your warships would attempt to orbit in Hibernia's waters, would be the moment you proved Patrick's worst fears. For those in Hibernia who perhaps felt warmth towards the Imperium, you just proved the Imperial Boogyman was real, and that the alliance with Icedonia was justified.

In your IC posts, I should expect to see much, MUCH, bigger conflict.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Sleep be dammed I made a post!

How is the post, any good?

Ima give it a read give me a sec uwu

[Suriyanakhon]

A minor cult in Europa. C’est la vie.

I cant wait for a real contact between the two branches. Andrew knows imperialChristianityis out there vaguely

This sounds like it will be Jan Huss 2.0.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

I liked your post endem! I think it has potential for a fun question of divine or mundane. Its something I try to practice to - both being plausibly a miracle and happenstance. I think its the best route to take in these sorts of narratives.