New Civilizations III ( OOC, Always Open )

[Joohan]

Yes, since Burma was known in ancient times for vast gold deposits (the ancient Indians called it Suvarṇabhūmi ー Land of Gold).

Not being overly familiar with the topic, my dive of academia seems to agree that gold exploitation in Myanmar mirrors the development of civilization in the Ganges River Valley. They were mining gold in ~600 BCE, so you might be able to stretch it to 1000 BCE, but that's a fair ways out. Myanmar is solidly Neolithic, and the best source I saw claimed most gold in the region is in the less inhabited uplands.

So, you'll probably see some rare gold jewelry - the type that could be made by chance discoveries of particularly large gold nuggets washed free into rivers. Bracelets, necklaces, that sort of stuff. But probably only on the richest chiefs, who can command significant economic clout otherwise.

I think she means, more like, that Gold deposits are frequent and easy enough to get to that she'll be able to exploit them on her own.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Not being overly familiar with the topic, my dive of academia seems to agree that gold exploitation in Myanmar mirrors the development of civilization in the Ganges River Valley. They were mining gold in ~600 BCE, so you might be able to stretch it to 1000 BCE, but that's a fair ways out. Myanmar is solidly Neolithic, and the best source I saw claimed most gold in the region is in the less inhabited uplands.

So, you'll probably see some rare gold jewelry - the type that could be made by chance discoveries of particularly large gold nuggets washed free into rivers. Bracelets, necklaces, that sort of stuff. But probably only on the richest chiefs, who can command significant economic clout otherwise.

I think she means, more like, that Gold deposits are frequent and easy enough to get to that she'll be able to exploit them on her own.

Oh, for sure. I mean, some rivers in upper Myanmar have dozens of economically viable surface level gold placer deposits even in the present day - and that's after millenia of exploitation. I can only guess at how much gold there must have been in antiquity, but the deposits must have been truly gigantic.

[UniversalCommons]

The Varna of the Imperium is not on the Black Sea, it is further inland past Singidun. The Varna of the Nestos League is on the Black Sea. There are two Varna's if I remember. The Varna of the Imperium should be on the Danube leading to the Black Sea.

[Joohan]

Not gonna lie, clicked the submit button instead of preview but... eh, it works ending there too.

Alright, fine, you guys were right on - it is plague. shut up, no one's impressed.

As for the specifics of how, why, and what is going on:

I've modeled the plague, which has just entered into the Imperium through Varna, off of the Justinian plague in terms of scale. How badly it affects a civilization ( because though starting in the Imperium, it will effect every nation that also borders or trades with them too ) will depend upon the actions taken. The worst case scenario, if you handle this disastrously, will be equivalent to the devastation that the actual Justinian plague wrecked - i.e., 20% of your population is wiped out in a matter of years.

Mind you, this isn't bubonic plague. If you thought that killing rats might save you here, you're quite mistaken. You all have a terrible habit of getting rid of event problems as quickly as possible ( just suddenly figuring out that doves were spreading the disease and killing them all, are you kidding me? ), so this plague is spread via near contact with other people. It causes failure of the kidney's and liver, resulting in the blood becoming less oxygen rich, and eventually putting the brain into a state of shock, inducing brain death. Not that any of you would know this, or have any practical way of figuring that out, but just some info to put in your back pocket.

Symptoms include: fainting, light headedness, nausea, vertigo, lethargy, bloody urine, narcolepsy, and hallucinations. If fatal, can take anywhere from a week to a month to kill. Can be overcame within a month - yes, you can get it more than once.

You are not all going to be suddenly aware of the disease the moment a few dozen people get sick. Plagues happen all the time in this world - it's not going to be until people starting dropping like flies that this all comes to your attention.

This is a multi faceted event - I will be watching actions in handling the plague very carefully. Depending on what you do, plague might not be your only worry - handle things very poorly, and it will probably be the least of your worries.

Have fun y'all

Edit: i'm so glad i'm not in Europe anymore.

[Joohan]

The Varna of the Imperium is not on the Black Sea, it is further inland past Singidun. The Varna of the Nestos League is on the Black Sea. There are two Varna's if I remember. The Varna of the Imperium should be on the Danube leading to the Black Sea.

Which city touches the mouth of the Danube?

Edit: It's that one. Doesn't really matter if it's Imperial or Nestoian honestly.

[UniversalCommons]

This is the link to the Varna of the Imperium. This causes a little confusion. One is further up river. One down river. It probably causes occasional confusion and interest.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi ... 999999&z=8

If we are dealing with the Danube, it works almost perfectly because it would spread through both the Imperium and the Nestos League because there are river travelers and trade.

[Suriyanakhon]

Have fun y'all

Edit: i'm so glad i'm not in Europe anymore.

Absolute petty queen.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Cool, cool.

So, based on the camels, I’m betting a disease that made the zoonotic shift?

[Joohan]

Cool, cool.

So, based on the camels, I’m betting a disease that made the zoonotic shift?

Hmm? Oh, I didn't have anything specific in mind. One of the crew picked it up from someone in Palestine - it's human in origin.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Cool, cool.

So, based on the camels, I’m betting a disease that made the zoonotic shift?

Hmm? Oh, I didn't have anything specific in mind. One of the crew picked it up from someone in Palestine - it's human in origin.

Ah, I see. Very good. This is where all my pointless investment in healthcare and sanitation pays off

[Joohan]

Hmm? Oh, I didn't have anything specific in mind. One of the crew picked it up from someone in Palestine - it's human in origin.

Ah, I see. Very good. This is where all my pointless investment in healthcare and sanitation pays off

Hmm, what did you say a long while back? Your medicine knowledge was equivalent to the Romans? Well... the Justinian plague nearly wiped the Romans out.

Not really sure what you could do here, but feel free to try.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ah, I see. Very good. This is where all my pointless investment in healthcare and sanitation pays off

Hmm, what did you say a long while back? Your medicine knowledge was equivalent to the Romans? Well... the Justinian plague nearly wiped the Romans out.

Not really sure what you could do here, but feel free to try.

Oh you’ll see, you’ll see.

But that wasn’t my claim - that was Universal. My healthcare knowledge is mainly about public health, less medicines.

[Joohan]

Hmm, what did you say a long while back? Your medicine knowledge was equivalent to the Romans? Well... the Justinian plague nearly wiped the Romans out.

Not really sure what you could do here, but feel free to try.

Oh you’ll see, you’ll see.

But that wasn’t my claim - that was Universal. My healthcare knowledge is mainly about public health, less medicines.

Hmm, I see. Well then

[Endem]

If a plague from Imperium also makes its way to the middle east, I am so using it as a start for my religion

( also, I have written a whooping two paragraphs on my post! Progress?! )

[G-Tech Corporation]

If a plague from Imperium also makes its way to the middle east, I am so using it as a start for my religion

( also, I have written a whooping two paragraphs on my post! Progress?! )

There’s like a solid 1% chance this doesn’t move back east along the Nestos trade routes. Sumeria gonna be depopulated af, with her population already consolidated, her intelligentsia butchered, and her resources exhausted.

[UniversalCommons]

We would die in large numbers at first. If this is really at Varna, we might not realize what was happening for a while. It might travel by trading ship first down the Danube into the Imperium, then along the Black Sea. It would probably hit the settlements on either side of the Danube river, lots of dead halbardiers. Then there is the coast road which leads down the edge of the Nestos League into the Single Market, and the road through the Cucuteni lands, which could eventually lead to Aren. Initially, I don't think we could do much. We would not know what it was. We might be able to use some herbs to make the effects a little less pronounced while the plague takes effect. If it is a pneumonic plague spread through cats, people, and rodents, we could isolate people after a while. Take them to the Temple of the Body Parts and Keep them in separate cells. We would probably try washing people. Also giving them natural antibiotics like garlic, honey, herbs, etc. This would only have a small effect for story purposes maybe 10% more might survive.

We had a major plague with the pigeons. We would use what we learned from the first plague. There was a cure, probably a kind of antibiotic beer made by the Egyptians and Nubians, which produced tetracycline. Den who was Egyptian found the cure.

[Joohan]

We would die in large numbers at first. If this is really at Varna, we might not realize what was happening for a while. It might travel by trading ship first down the Danube into the Imperium, then along the Black Sea. It would probably hit the settlements on either side of the Danube river, lots of dead halbardiers. Then there is the coast road which leads down the edge of the Nestos League into the Single Market, and the road through the Cucuteni lands, which could eventually lead to Aren. Initially, I don't think we could do much. We would not know what it was. We might be able to use some herbs to make the effects a little less pronounced while the plague takes effect. If it is a pneumonic plague spread through cats, people, and rodents, we could isolate people after a while. Take them to the Temple of the Body Parts and Keep them in separate cells. We would probably try washing people. Also giving them natural antibiotics like garlic, honey, herbs, etc. This would only have a small effect for story purposes maybe 10% more might survive.

We had a major plague with the pigeons. We would use what we learned from the first plague. There was a cure, probably a kind of antibiotic beer made by the Egyptians and Nubians, which produced tetracycline. Den who was Egyptian found the cure.

You just killed all the pigeons. Am I to believe that you'll be using similar methods?

I know new Issac is a lot nicer guy, but the old Issac in me is cackling at the idea.

Spicey stuff Commons, I like it

[Suriyanakhon]

Does anyone know how big China is right now? I'm assuming not close enough to where I would hear about them.

[Joohan]

Does anyone know how big China is right now? I'm assuming not close enough to where I would hear about them.

Look on the pretty map.

Yeah, you'll have heard nothing about them

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

God damn camels. I'm glad we've been living around them for a while, taking in their stink. Maybe we'll be free from the camel plague for a while.

[Joohan]

God damn camels. I'm glad we've been living around them for a while, taking in their stink. Maybe we'll be free from the camel plague for a while.

It's not camels. Pathogen was human borne. I just needed to think of a native Palestinian ware for the trader to sell.

[Suriyanakhon]

Does anyone know how big China is right now? I'm assuming not close enough to where I would hear about them.

Look on the pretty map.

Yeah, you'll have heard nothing about them

It's good to know that the floppy bird that is the Imperium on the map hasn't changed.

Also, nice. This is a Maoist free zone.

[Alaroma]

So in our latest episode of “Aksum” we have “Man gets librarians to help his re education programs”, “Peace loving descendant of slaves takes slaves for forced labor” and my favorite “Libertarian Business man goes about creating a Monarcho-Capitalist society.”

[UniversalCommons]

We would die in large numbers at first. If this is really at Varna, we might not realize what was happening for a while. It might travel by trading ship first down the Danube into the Imperium, then along the Black Sea. It would probably hit the settlements on either side of the Danube river, lots of dead halbardiers. Then there is the coast road which leads down the edge of the Nestos League into the Single Market, and the road through the Cucuteni lands, which could eventually lead to Aren. Initially, I don't think we could do much. We would not know what it was. We might be able to use some herbs to make the effects a little less pronounced while the plague takes effect. If it is a pneumonic plague spread through cats, people, and rodents, we could isolate people after a while. Take them to the Temple of the Body Parts and Keep them in separate cells. We would probably try washing people. Also giving them natural antibiotics like garlic, honey, herbs, etc. This would only have a small effect for story purposes maybe 10% more might survive.

We had a major plague with the pigeons. We would use what we learned from the first plague. There was a cure, probably a kind of antibiotic beer made by the Egyptians and Nubians, which produced tetracycline. Den who was Egyptian found the cure.

You just killed all the pigeons. Am I to believe that you'll be using similar methods?

I know new Issac is a lot nicer guy, but the old Issac in me is cackling at the idea.

Spicey stuff Commons, I like it

We will have to isolate a lot of people. We'll send them to the Temple of the Bodyparts where we send people with incurable conditions. Pray for them.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Look on the pretty map.

Yeah, you'll have heard nothing about them

It's good to know that the floppy bird that is the Imperium on the map hasn't changed.

Also, nice. This is a Maoist free zone.

Fear the goose.