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Orostan
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Orostan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:57 pm

Ralnis wrote:
Orostan wrote:China is severely underpopulated. I need labor to be as productive as possible, I also want to start the industrial revolution simply because if I can do it I get to skip the worst parts of human history.

By how much? Because China still has more manpower than about two or three countries put together.

According to Joohan China has 162,000 people in it total. The Zhou dynasty of similar size had an estimated population of thirty million.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.

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Ralnis
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ralnis » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:07 pm

Orostan wrote:
Ralnis wrote:By how much? Because China still has more manpower than about two or three countries put together.

According to Joohan China has 162,000 people in it total. The Zhou dynasty of similar size had an estimated population of thirty million.

Understandable, won't ask anymore questions and join the YRS as the spy master if you'll have me.
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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Northern Socialist Council Republics
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:14 pm

“China is severely underpopulated”

laughs in Norse

I don’t think my population ever broke 6 figures during my entire time in this RP
Call me "Russ" if you're referring to me the out-of-character poster or "NSRS" if you're referring to me the in-character nation.
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Saxony-Brandenburg
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Founded: Mar 07, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Saxony-Brandenburg » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:22 pm

Please, Yanbu has a population of less than 4,000 lmao and our allies total another 15,000. You wanna talk about underpopulated? Heheheh
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Orostan
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Orostan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:23 pm

Ralnis wrote:
Orostan wrote:According to Joohan China has 162,000 people in it total. The Zhou dynasty of similar size had an estimated population of thirty million.

Understandable, won't ask anymore questions and join the YRS as the spy master if you'll have me.

based, help me conquer all of central asia. If G-Tech says I can't do boats very well I will simply walk to Europe and kill him that way.

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:“China is severely underpopulated”

laughs in Norse

I don’t think my population ever broke 6 figures during my entire time in this RP

you should have simply relocated the population of france to norway.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.

Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”

Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"



#FreeNSGRojava
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Ralnis
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ralnis » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:27 pm

That's fine Oorstan, my plan of doing anything as a criminal would be meant in failure anyway. Luther shouldn't be leading anything anyway not after what happened in Sumeria.
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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G-Tech Corporation
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 62474
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:29 pm

Speyland wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
When you say you’d probably list them after I mention that a few classes isn’t normally enough to qualify, I get confused :P

Not to be lazy about it, but I can't seem to develop some useful skills for Shingo. And since he hasn't graduated from senior high school yet, how about he starts with no useful skills at all. Will you be okay with that?


Certainly. Ain't nothing wrong with working from the ground up.
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Speyland
Diplomat
 
Posts: 626
Founded: May 19, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Speyland » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:26 pm

Author Applicaiton
Name: Shingo Osaka
Age: 19
Height and Weight: "5'9, 89 lbs
Skin, hair, and eye description: Shingo is a young man of medium height with brown hair and brown eyes. His skin is fair, and his face is pleasant to see.
( Optional ) Picture:
Image


Prior Profession: Student
Level of education ( specify degrees or note worthy classes ): Secondary education
Physique description: Besides going to a gym class at school before then, Shingo's body is in good shape. Otherwise, his physique is good.
Useful skills: N/A

National Origin: Japan
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Shingo was working on homework before accidentally falling asleep.
Description of personality: As a result of being bullied by his classmates, Shingo used to have a loving personality at first, but he evolved into being cruel, brutal, unstable, manipulative, psychopathic, relentless, bloody, and sadistic from being a victim of bullying. While acting to be loyal and sympathetic, he tends to keep his intention to attain something bigger a secret. He will use that advantage to get what he wants, such as pledging allegiance to a chieftain and then betraying them afterward when the time is right for him. But only time will tell when the opportunity comes around, as it'll take a while to get to that point, nor is it likely to transpire. Before then, he dreams of becoming a member of the nobility, possessing mass wealth, and that he doesn't have to suffer through bullying anymore. Well, that dream is yet to come true.
Where in the world are you landing?: Kerala, India

Autobiography/Biography ( paragraph minimum ): Shingo was born and raised in Uruma, Okinawa, to a single mother on January 2, 2002. It's unknown who his biological father was, nor has his mother brought it up whenever Shingo asked her about him. In 2008, he attended an elementary school and met some bullies along the way, which continues to senior high school; he was considered an outcast. In 2017, Shingo attended a kendo class in the hopes of defending himself against his bullies, but nothing worked the way as expected. The same year, his mother bought him a book called Sun Tzu's The Art of War for Christmas, and he read it within a week, gaining knowledge about the principles of war strategy but not to an expert degree.

In 2019, his mother was diagnosed with motor neuron disease, causing him to feel depressed but not suicidal. In 2020, he got into a fight with one of the bullies after they threatened him to commit suicide, and he got held back for a year but not suspended. The same year, the bullying continues and has worsened his reputation with other classmates. Today, Shingo was working on homework before accidentally falling asleep, and his dream of becoming the most distinguished person who has ever lived begins in the past.

Writing Sample: N/A


( Optional on down)
What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?: I'm not sure at the moment, but I'll say that it has something to do with treachery and achieving glory.
What people or places are you taking inspiration from?: Probably this one. Or this.
Why did you chose to land where you did?: N/A
What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?: Either this one or this.
What are your character's motivations?: To gain a chieftain's trust and to be respected by everyone.
Theme Song?: N/A
What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?: N/A
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Endem
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Founded: Aug 19, 2018
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Endem » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:27 pm

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:“China is severely underpopulated”

laughs in Norse

I don’t think my population ever broke 6 figures during my entire time in this RP

Me, who's territory will only have 36k people at best *sweats nervously*
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Northern Socialist Council Republics
Minister
 
Posts: 3103
Founded: Dec 13, 2020
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:49 pm

Orostan wrote:you should have simply relocated the population of france to norway.

What, and spark off the Scandinavian immigration crisis five thousand years early? :p
Call me "Russ" if you're referring to me the out-of-character poster or "NSRS" if you're referring to me the in-character nation.
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Social-democrat and hardline secularist.
Come roleplay with us. We have cookies.

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G-Tech Corporation
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 62474
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:37 pm

Speyland wrote:Author Applicaiton
Name: Shingo Osaka
Age: 19
Height and Weight: "5'9, 89 lbs
Skin, hair, and eye description: Shingo is a young man of medium height with brown hair and brown eyes. His skin is fair, and his face is pleasant to see.
( Optional ) Picture:

Prior Profession: Student
Level of education ( specify degrees or note worthy classes ): Secondary education
Physique description: Besides going to a gym class at school before then, Shingo's body is in good shape. Otherwise, his physique is good.
Useful skills: N/A

National Origin: Japan
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Shingo was working on homework before accidentally falling asleep.
Description of personality: As a result of being bullied by his classmates, Shingo used to have a loving personality at first, but he evolved into being cruel, brutal, unstable, manipulative, psychopathic, relentless, bloody, and sadistic from being a victim of bullying. While acting to be loyal and sympathetic, he tends to keep his intention to attain something bigger a secret. He will use that advantage to get what he wants, such as pledging allegiance to a chieftain and then betraying them afterward when the time is right for him. But only time will tell when the opportunity comes around, as it'll take a while to get to that point, nor is it likely to transpire. Before then, he dreams of becoming a member of the nobility, possessing mass wealth, and that he doesn't have to suffer through bullying anymore. Well, that dream is yet to come true.
Where in the world are you landing?: Kerala, India

Autobiography/Biography ( paragraph minimum ): Shingo was born and raised in Uruma, Okinawa, to a single mother on January 2, 2002. It's unknown who his biological father was, nor has his mother brought it up whenever Shingo asked her about him. In 2008, he attended an elementary school and met some bullies along the way, which continues to senior high school; he was considered an outcast. In 2017, Shingo attended a kendo class in the hopes of defending himself against his bullies, but nothing worked the way as expected. The same year, his mother bought him a book called Sun Tzu's The Art of War for Christmas, and he read it within a week, gaining knowledge about the principles of war strategy but not to an expert degree.

In 2019, his mother was diagnosed with motor neuron disease, causing him to feel depressed but not suicidal. In 2020, he got into a fight with one of the bullies after they threatened him to commit suicide, and he got held back for a year but not suspended. The same year, the bullying continues and has worsened his reputation with other classmates. Today, Shingo was working on homework before accidentally falling asleep, and his dream of becoming the most distinguished person who has ever lived begins in the past.

Writing Sample: N/A


( Optional on down)
What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?: I'm not sure at the moment, but I'll say that it has something to do with treachery and achieving glory.
What people or places are you taking inspiration from?: Probably this one. Or this.
Why did you chose to land where you did?: N/A
What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?: Either this one or this.
What are your character's motivations?: To gain a chieftain's trust and to be respected by everyone.
Theme Song?: N/A
What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?: N/A


This all looks fine to me. J'accept. Welcome to the RP! Happy to see another lad settling down in the Indian subcontinent, it is criminally unexplored in this project.
TG if you have questions about RP. If I don't know the answer, I know someone who does.

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UniversalCommons
Senator
 
Posts: 4792
Founded: Jan 24, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby UniversalCommons » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:52 pm

I am curious how do you capture 20 armed men with incendiaries without a fight? Why would we put armed men in a fishing boat? Nestosian incendiaries are the work of combined research with Ur. They are fairly sophisticated.

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G-Tech Corporation
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 62474
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:57 pm

UniversalCommons wrote:I am curious how do you capture 20 armed men with incendiaries without a fight? Why would we put armed men in a fishing boat? Nestosian incendiaries are the work of combined research with Ur. They are fairly sophisticated.


Well, incendiaries are coming into Varna somehow, based on you setting them off - unless she had a vast supply of incendiaries that were just disappeared without the central government noticing their armories being raided. Most men are not suicidal, and faced with being discovered when unprepared and confronted with imminent death prefer surrender to said imminent death. Rock up to men walking off of a ship pretending to be refugees when they are unarmed and unprepared with swords and spears, and taking them alive is pretty good odds.

Edit: Though I should be clear that this is a minor plot point for me, mainly intended to illustrate that smuggling soldiers into even a city like Varna is fraught with peril. If you want to have a dozen of the men spitted before the rest surrender, or self-immolate with their firebombs, I don't mind flexing on that point.
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TG if you have questions about RP. If I don't know the answer, I know someone who does.

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Orostan
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Founded: May 02, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Orostan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:19 pm

Ralnis wrote:That's fine Oorstan, my plan of doing anything as a criminal would be meant in failure anyway. Luther shouldn't be leading anything anyway not after what happened in Sumeria.

I don't want to push you into doing anything you don't want to do. Be a criminal if you like!
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.

Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”

Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"



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Ralnis
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28558
Founded: Aug 06, 2012
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ralnis » Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:27 pm

Orostan wrote:
Ralnis wrote:That's fine Oorstan, my plan of doing anything as a criminal would be meant in failure anyway. Luther shouldn't be leading anything anyway not after what happened in Sumeria.

I don't want to push you into doing anything you don't want to do. Be a criminal if you like!

It ain't you, it's me. Just me, don't worry.
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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Joohan
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Founded: Jan 11, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Joohan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:42 pm

Orostan wrote:
Ralnis wrote:By how much? Because China still has more manpower than about two or three countries put together.

According to Joohan China has 162,000 people in it total. The Zhou dynasty of similar size had an estimated population of thirty million.


Which makes you the fourth largest nation on the planet. Underpopulated implies struggling because of not having adequate numbers - China is not underpopulated.
If you need a witness look to yourself

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UniversalCommons
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Founded: Jan 24, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby UniversalCommons » Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:48 pm

Mixer Carl made the incendiaries. It is not hard a mix of refined lamp oil, aksumite soap, and strong alcohol will make something sticky, tar, alcohol, and baking soda or other compounds will make throwables. Pitch, resin, and sulfur might be added. He destroyed the lab when it was no longer safe and moved to a new location. He would be one of the scholars who stayed behind. We need the ingredients.

It is a nice red herring to be searching for people coming in when he is making things. They might find a few people with weapons, but most would come in without and Aesop would arm them. There are plenty of weapons in Varna, half the guard have died as well as a large chunk of the fighting men. There probably aren't enough men to cover the harbor. With the recent civil fighting before the takeover by the Imperium, it would be very easy to get standard weapons. The problem wouldn't be swords and spears, but sites for bows, aconite for arrows, armor repair kits, and similar things. The specialized stuff like flamethrowers from Ur would be the problem, also some of the ingredients and equipment to make things.

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Orostan
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Founded: May 02, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Orostan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:40 pm

Joohan wrote:
Orostan wrote:According to Joohan China has 162,000 people in it total. The Zhou dynasty of similar size had an estimated population of thirty million.


Which makes you the fourth largest nation on the planet. Underpopulated implies struggling because of not having adequate numbers - China is not underpopulated.

China is far below its carrying capacity - that’s what makes it underpopulated.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.

Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”

Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"



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Ralnis
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Founded: Aug 06, 2012
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ralnis » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:46 pm

Orostan wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Which makes you the fourth largest nation on the planet. Underpopulated implies struggling because of not having adequate numbers - China is not underpopulated.

China is far below its carrying capacity - that’s what makes it underpopulated.

That means you should murder more tribes?
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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Orostan
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Founded: May 02, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Orostan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 pm

Ralnis wrote:
Orostan wrote:China is far below its carrying capacity - that’s what makes it underpopulated.

That means you should murder more tribes?

No, it means they should come live in China where they can dig iron for the empire, and get free stuff in exchange.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.

Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”

Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"



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Ralnis
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Founded: Aug 06, 2012
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ralnis » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:56 pm

Orostan wrote:
Ralnis wrote:That means you should murder more tribes?

No, it means they should come live in China where they can dig iron for the empire, and get free stuff in exchange.

I think you should scatter more tribes.
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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Orostan
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Founded: May 02, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Orostan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:59 pm

Ralnis wrote:
Orostan wrote:No, it means they should come live in China where they can dig iron for the empire, and get free stuff in exchange.

I think you should scatter more tribes.

wait until I invade southern China. That will scratch your genocide itch.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.

Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”

Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"



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Ralnis
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28558
Founded: Aug 06, 2012
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ralnis » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:07 pm

Orostan wrote:
Ralnis wrote:I think you should scatter more tribes.

wait until I invade southern China. That will scratch your genocide itch.

I mean there's tribes in your lands.
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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Joohan
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Ex-Nation

Postby Joohan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:27 pm

Orostan wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Which makes you the fourth largest nation on the planet. Underpopulated implies struggling because of not having adequate numbers - China is not underpopulated.

China is far below its carrying capacity - that’s what makes it underpopulated.


The entire planet is under it's carrying capacity
If you need a witness look to yourself

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism!


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Orostan
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6593
Founded: May 02, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Orostan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:30 pm

Joohan wrote:
Orostan wrote:China is far below its carrying capacity - that’s what makes it underpopulated.


The entire planet is under it's carrying capacity

That’s true. We should encourage the martians to migrate to earth.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.

Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”

Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"



#FreeNSGRojava
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