New Civilizations III ( OOC, Always Open )

[Ralnis]

You know this whole Red Plague was Luther's fault since he through half of the Middle East in a 20 year war. So if Luther figured that out then I don't know if devastated would be the word I would use.

Think of it this way - Europe will be too devastated to hold up against the Sumerian invasion

I don't know about that, the Imperium already had a cure so that idea had been thrown out. Israel and Hiberia are untouched, just like Norse land. Only benefit is that the Levant can be firmly in Sumerian influence now.

[Endem]

Ok, so, I'm a bit stumped, I have no idea how to really establish the religion I'm making, especially since the current plan involves converting the young adults and teens of the tribe Aleksander is in and going from there, but, I have no idea how to do it, especially aince I'm going in broader strokes, so, I wanted to ask, how can it be written more naturally then "uh, they listened to him, and got somewhat convinced, and after a couple meetings they've converted".

Aleksander has to be convinced of it first. Last we left off, he was just pondering on the unlikelyness of his happening upon safe haven in the desert, no? What event has inspired him of the divine? Before he himself can make others believe, he'll have to convince himself. Proclaiming oneself a servant of the divine or some supernatural mission requires a lot of characterization.

Then, if you plan on converting others that requires a mission statement for them to believe in. For Christian's, its theosis, for muslims its paradise, for Buddhists it is nirvana, for Hindus it is to achieve Samsarra, for Daoists it is The Way.

Most pagan Faith's ( Hellens, Shinto, virtue cults ) just want a good mortal life and a pleasant after life ( Elysium or apotheosis if you're a go getter).

Good theology has logic and motive behind it

I'm currently writing a post, also, I believe you've missed a post, but I believe what you interpret as pondering was actually the convincing. The current post is about rescuing a irresponsible tribe member, attributing doing it to being given the ability to do so by his God ( promptly named Abu Sakra [ translation: Father of the Desert ), thus convincing said tribe member towards Aleksander's religion, and it spiralling from there to quietly converting most of the young adult population of the tribe. I'm currently stumped at the last stage however thank you for saying that faiths have missions, does a mission of self-betterment ( honing and improving skills, with slight emphasis put on martial skill ) to be granted a better afterlife fit?

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[Joohan]

Think of it this way - Europe will be too devastated to hold up against the Sumerian invasion

I don't know about that, the Imperium already had a cure so that idea had been thrown out.

Um... sort of. Their cure is based upon a handful of people who've had the less lethal cousin virus, specifically, using their bodily fluids and distributing them to others in hopes that they catch the virus as well. They're using like 6 dudes and their mucus to try and immunize over 300,000 people. That's going to take a rather long amount of time, and a lot of people are going to die in the interim. Just saying, a go getter warlord could really make something of thiiiiiis....

[Joohan]

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I'll drop the format you're supposed to copy below. Just hit the quote button and delete everything I wrote above it, and delete the little bracket at the bottom that says [/quote]. A writing sample is just a sample of your writing. Give us a short story. We want to know if you're a competent writer or not. ( A least a paragraph or more ). I would also ask that you look at previous apps, such as listed on the link which says, Author List, on the first page. We want more specific and encompassing detail. As for skills, I would suggest you look at rule 10. Did you really just finish highschool at 15? Does Ben have a last name?

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[Joohan]

Aleksander has to be convinced of it first. Last we left off, he was just pondering on the unlikelyness of his happening upon safe haven in the desert, no? What event has inspired him of the divine? Before he himself can make others believe, he'll have to convince himself. Proclaiming oneself a servant of the divine or some supernatural mission requires a lot of characterization.

Then, if you plan on converting others that requires a mission statement for them to believe in. For Christian's, its theosis, for muslims its paradise, for Buddhists it is nirvana, for Hindus it is to achieve Samsarra, for Daoists it is The Way.

Most pagan Faith's ( Hellens, Shinto, virtue cults ) just want a good mortal life and a pleasant after life ( Elysium or apotheosis if you're a go getter).

Good theology has logic and motive behind it

I'm currently writing a post, also, I believe you've missed a post, but I believe what you interpret as pondering was actually the convincing. The current post is about rescuing a irresponsible tribe member, attributing doing it to being given the ability to do so by his God ( promptly named Abu Sakra [ translation: Father of the Desert ), thus convincing said tribe member towards Aleksander's religion, and it spiralling from there to quietly converting most of the young adult population of the tribe. I'm currently stumped at the last stage however thank you for saying that faiths have missions, does a mission of self-betterment ( honing and improving skills, with slight emphasis put on martial skill ) to be granted a better afterlife fit?

Yeah, that will convince laymen. But a pleasant afterlife isn't much in way of theology. If you want people to really catch onto the religion you're attempting to set up, you'll need an ethos, a way of superior thinking. What's the difference between your faith and any other pagan religion with a nice afterlife?

[Ralnis]

I don't know about that, the Imperium already had a cure so that idea had been thrown out.

Um... sort of. Their cure is based upon a handful of people who've had the less lethal cousin virus, specifically, using their bodily fluids and distributing them to others in hopes that they catch the virus as well. They're using like 6 dudes and their mucus to try and immunize over 300,000 people. That's going to take a rather long amount of time, and a lot of people are going to die in the interim. Just saying, a go getter warlord could really make something of thiiiiiis....

I mean my march into Turkey for their resources and making the Sumerian greed machine become even more powerful? Only thing that are nuisances are the two Arab freedom fighters which are just pirates and a tribe with delusions of grandeur.

[Endem]

I'm currently writing a post, also, I believe you've missed a post, but I believe what you interpret as pondering was actually the convincing. The current post is about rescuing a irresponsible tribe member, attributing doing it to being given the ability to do so by his God ( promptly named Abu Sakra [ translation: Father of the Desert ), thus convincing said tribe member towards Aleksander's religion, and it spiralling from there to quietly converting most of the young adult population of the tribe. I'm currently stumped at the last stage however thank you for saying that faiths have missions, does a mission of self-betterment ( honing and improving skills, with slight emphasis put on martial skill ) to be granted a better afterlife fit?

Yeah, that will convince laymen. But a pleasant afterlife isn't much in way of theology. If you want people to really catch onto the religion you're attempting to set up, you'll need an ethos, a way of superior thinking. What's the difference between your faith and any other pagan religion with a nice afterlife?

Uuuh, well, there's monotheism for starters, and uh, emphasis on tribal relationships, like, I wanted to introduce a sort of hierarchy ( family: clan. brother/sister of blood: any Arab, or if the worshipper is Sumerian, any Sumer, if the worshipper is from Elam, any Elamite, and so on. brother/sister of faith: any worshipper ), and a worshipper would need to treat any of the above groups like family but aiding them to varying degrees ( family takes precedence over faith, faith takes precedence over blood ). Aside from that the aforementioned emphasis on individual skill. Lastly a guaranteed freedom, in that, you will not be chained or freedom taken away from you, and freeing people who are chained would then be considered a virtue, and freedom a goal. Aside from that a reverence for water, assigning it semi-sacred quality, while still permitting its use on a daily basis. Uh, a form of praying by turning towards the nearest church tower and laying on the ground so that only the arms and the legs touch the ground ( sort of like one of the Tibetan sleep postures ) and reciting one of 12 prayers corresponding to a month, but I wanted to introduce that element after I actually have churches. Oh right, one of the virtues would be considered spreading the religion itself by proselytizing.

Is that enough or should I add more?

[UniversalCommons]

I am curious before I do it. I would like to have plague sniffing dogs come out of Salt. They have successfully quarantined, cleaned and sealed off Salt. Now they are going to patrol in quarantine armor (an armored protective suit) on horseback and on foot with plague sniffing dogs.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I am curious before I do it. I would like to have plague sniffing dogs come out of Salt. They have successfully quarantined, cleaned and sealed off Salt. Now they are going to patrol in quarantine armor (an armored protective suit) on horseback and on foot with plague sniffing dogs.

Not sure honestly how you could train a dog to sniff for one disease in the age of diseases. Even in the modern day such efforts are very dubious.

Also, yay, raiders. This should be fun.

[Joohan]

I am curious before I do it. I would like to have plague sniffing dogs come out of Salt. They have successfully quarantined, cleaned and sealed off Salt. Now they are going to patrol in quarantine armor (an armored protective suit) on horseback and on foot with plague sniffing dogs.

Not sure honestly how you could train a dog to sniff for one disease in the age of diseases. Even in the modern day such efforts are very dubious.

Also, yay, raiders. This should be fun.

Bit of extra nuisance about the dudes attacking the quarantined section of the Imperium. They're cowards. They're not going to fight opened pitch battles, or throw themselves against sturdy stone walls if they can help it. They're here to get laid and get paid, by bullying all the settlements that are too sick to really stop them. That isnt to say though that they're just a bunch of savages - most of these dudes are coming down from the Balkan hills and mountains, and are thus a fairly advanced NPC civ in their own right, with robust discipline, tactics, hierarchy, and a fair understanding of iron and primitive steel work ( in addition to all the stuff that they've traded and stole from the Imperium ). These guys are a pretty serious threat, riding high on stolen riches, and with enough brain and brawn to defend themselves from most threats.

Edit: oh yes, and of course, the hostages. Trading kidnapped civilians ( mostly women and children ) with first men and local elite in exchange for weapons or wealth. Kind of a self perpetuating cycle there

[G-Tech Corporation]

Not sure honestly how you could train a dog to sniff for one disease in the age of diseases. Even in the modern day such efforts are very dubious.

Also, yay, raiders. This should be fun.

Bit of extra nuisance about the dudes attacking the quarantined section of the Imperium. They're cowards. They're not going to fight opened pitch battles, or throw themselves against sturdy stone walls if they can help it. They're here to get laid and get paid, by bullying all the settlements that are too sick to really stop them. That isnt to say though that they're just a bunch of savages - most of these dudes are coming down from the Balkan hills and mountains, and are thus a fairly advanced NPC civ in their own right, with robust discipline, tactics, hierarchy, and a fair understanding of iron and primitive steel work ( in addition to all the stuff that they've traded and stole from the Imperium ). These guys are a pretty serious threat, riding high on stolen riches, and with enough brain and brawn to defend themselves from most threats.

Edit: oh yes, and of course, the hostages. Trading kidnapped civilians ( mostly women and children ) with first men and local elite in exchange for weapons or wealth. Kind of a self perpetuating cycle there

Sure, about what I figured. Generic bandits emboldened by breakdown of order, wielding repurposed tools as weapons alongside local reproductions. Mind if I put some Norse in their ranks, men who couldn’t acclimatize to civilized life in Dacia?

[Ralnis]

Not sure honestly how you could train a dog to sniff for one disease in the age of diseases. Even in the modern day such efforts are very dubious.

Also, yay, raiders. This should be fun.

Bit of extra nuisance about the dudes attacking the quarantined section of the Imperium. They're cowards. They're not going to fight opened pitch battles, or throw themselves against sturdy stone walls if they can help it. They're here to get laid and get paid, by bullying all the settlements that are too sick to really stop them. That isnt to say though that they're just a bunch of savages - most of these dudes are coming down from the Balkan hills and mountains, and are thus a fairly advanced NPC civ in their own right, with robust discipline, tactics, hierarchy, and a fair understanding of iron and primitive steel work ( in addition to all the stuff that they've traded and stole from the Imperium ). These guys are a pretty serious threat, riding high on stolen riches, and with enough brain and brawn to defend themselves from most threats.

Edit: oh yes, and of course, the hostages. Trading kidnapped civilians ( mostly women and children ) with first men and local elite in exchange for weapons or wealth. Kind of a self perpetuating cycle there

You mean they're as advanced as Sumeria? Well shit, guess I should change my name to Caesar's Legion then.

[Joohan]

Bit of extra nuisance about the dudes attacking the quarantined section of the Imperium. They're cowards. They're not going to fight opened pitch battles, or throw themselves against sturdy stone walls if they can help it. They're here to get laid and get paid, by bullying all the settlements that are too sick to really stop them. That isnt to say though that they're just a bunch of savages - most of these dudes are coming down from the Balkan hills and mountains, and are thus a fairly advanced NPC civ in their own right, with robust discipline, tactics, hierarchy, and a fair understanding of iron and primitive steel work ( in addition to all the stuff that they've traded and stole from the Imperium ). These guys are a pretty serious threat, riding high on stolen riches, and with enough brain and brawn to defend themselves from most threats.

Edit: oh yes, and of course, the hostages. Trading kidnapped civilians ( mostly women and children ) with first men and local elite in exchange for weapons or wealth. Kind of a self perpetuating cycle there

Sure, about what I figured. Generic bandits emboldened by breakdown of order, wielding repurposed tools as weapons alongside local reproductions. Mind if I put some Norse in their ranks, men who couldn’t acclimatize to civilized life in Dacia?

I'd liken them more to goths than simple bands of bandits, in that they have the support ( either outright or implicit) of their tribal entities.

You wanna add some rogue norsemen go for it - old habits die hard.

[Bortslovakia]

Bit of extra nuisance about the dudes attacking the quarantined section of the Imperium. They're cowards. They're not going to fight opened pitch battles, or throw themselves against sturdy stone walls if they can help it. They're here to get laid and get paid, by bullying all the settlements that are too sick to really stop them. That isnt to say though that they're just a bunch of savages - most of these dudes are coming down from the Balkan hills and mountains, and are thus a fairly advanced NPC civ in their own right, with robust discipline, tactics, hierarchy, and a fair understanding of iron and primitive steel work ( in addition to all the stuff that they've traded and stole from the Imperium ). These guys are a pretty serious threat, riding high on stolen riches, and with enough brain and brawn to defend themselves from most threats.

Edit: oh yes, and of course, the hostages. Trading kidnapped civilians ( mostly women and children ) with first men and local elite in exchange for weapons or wealth. Kind of a self perpetuating cycle there

Sure, about what I figured. Generic bandits emboldened by breakdown of order, wielding repurposed tools as weapons alongside local reproductions. Mind if I put some Norse in their ranks, men who couldn’t acclimatize to civilized life in Dacia?

I for one think several of their leaders should be old Norse raiders trying to relive the glory days. It'd make for good writing

[G-Tech Corporation]

Sure, about what I figured. Generic bandits emboldened by breakdown of order, wielding repurposed tools as weapons alongside local reproductions. Mind if I put some Norse in their ranks, men who couldn’t acclimatize to civilized life in Dacia?

I for one think several of their leaders should be old Norse raiders trying to relive the glory days. It'd make for good writing

Indeed. Plus thats basically one of the few established facts about the local populace - there be Norsemen here.

[Joohan]

I for one think several of their leaders should be old Norse raiders trying to relive the glory days. It'd make for good writing

Indeed. Plus thats basically one of the few established facts about the local populace - there be Norsemen here.

I could see a kind Arminius situation in that. Norsemen commanders using their time served with the imperials as a tool to fight utilize against them.

However you wanna handle it, it's up to you, so long as it's not something waved away in a few posts or you make them absolutely gullible and incompetent.

The, round 2, event comes later

[Ralnis]

Now I wish I was there being a raider. Would've been more fun then Luther being what he is now.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Indeed. Plus thats basically one of the few established facts about the local populace - there be Norsemen here.

I could see a kind Arminius situation in that. Norsemen commanders using their time served with the imperials as a tool to fight utilize against them.

However you wanna handle it, it's up to you, so long as it's not something waved away in a few posts or you make them absolutely gullible and incompetent.

The, round 2, event comes later

Oh they won’t live long. But then again, c’est la vie. Plus I think the fact I’ve spent the better part of a dozen posts dealing with this Red Plague speaks to my willingness to RP out events.

Now I wish I was there being a raider. Would've been more fun then Luther being what he is now.

You can have another civil war, if you want. Peasants versus the elites who enslave them and had them slaughtered in wars of petty religion and power.

[Ralnis]

I could see a kind Arminius situation in that. Norsemen commanders using their time served with the imperials as a tool to fight utilize against them.

However you wanna handle it, it's up to you, so long as it's not something waved away in a few posts or you make them absolutely gullible and incompetent.

The, round 2, event comes later

Oh they won’t live long. But then again, c’est la vie. Plus I think the fact I’ve spent the better part of a dozen posts dealing with this Red Plague speaks to my willingness to RP out events.

Now I wish I was there being a raider. Would've been more fun then Luther being what he is now.

You can have another civil war, if you want. Peasants versus the elites who enslave them and had them slaughtered in wars of petty religion and power.

And cause another Red Plague upon the world? No thanks, I'll take Sumeria taking advantage of the crisis than another 20 years of warfare.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

https://youtu.be/P5ZJui3aPoQ
I'm having a moment at 3:30 am

[Endem]

https://youtu.be/P5ZJui3aPoQ
I'm having a moment at 3:30 am

Are ya going on some kind of a war


Also,

Answer me Joohan

Yeah, that will convince laymen. But a pleasant afterlife isn't much in way of theology. If you want people to really catch onto the religion you're attempting to set up, you'll need an ethos, a way of superior thinking. What's the difference between your faith and any other pagan religion with a nice afterlife?

Uuuh, well, there's monotheism for starters, and uh, emphasis on tribal relationships, like, I wanted to introduce a sort of hierarchy ( family: clan. brother/sister of blood: any Arab, or if the worshipper is Sumerian, any Sumer, if the worshipper is from Elam, any Elamite, and so on. brother/sister of faith: any worshipper ), and a worshipper would need to treat any of the above groups like family but aiding them to varying degrees ( family takes precedence over faith, faith takes precedence over blood ). Aside from that the aforementioned emphasis on individual skill. Lastly a guaranteed freedom, in that, you will not be chained or freedom taken away from you, and freeing people who are chained would then be considered a virtue, and freedom a goal. Aside from that a reverence for water, assigning it semi-sacred quality, while still permitting its use on a daily basis. Uh, a form of praying by turning towards the nearest church tower and laying on the ground so that only the arms and the legs touch the ground ( sort of like one of the Tibetan sleep postures ) and reciting one of 12 prayers corresponding to a month, but I wanted to introduce that element after I actually have churches. Oh right, one of the virtues would be considered spreading the religion itself by proselytizing.

Is that enough or should I add more?

[Joohan]

https://youtu.be/P5ZJui3aPoQ
I'm having a moment at 3:30 am

Are ya going on some kind of a war


Also,

Answer me Joohan

Uuuh, well, there's monotheism for starters, and uh, emphasis on tribal relationships, like, I wanted to introduce a sort of hierarchy ( family: clan. brother/sister of blood: any Arab, or if the worshipper is Sumerian, any Sumer, if the worshipper is from Elam, any Elamite, and so on. brother/sister of faith: any worshipper ), and a worshipper would need to treat any of the above groups like family but aiding them to varying degrees ( family takes precedence over faith, faith takes precedence over blood ). Aside from that the aforementioned emphasis on individual skill. Lastly a guaranteed freedom, in that, you will not be chained or freedom taken away from you, and freeing people who are chained would then be considered a virtue, and freedom a goal. Aside from that a reverence for water, assigning it semi-sacred quality, while still permitting its use on a daily basis. Uh, a form of praying by turning towards the nearest church tower and laying on the ground so that only the arms and the legs touch the ground ( sort of like one of the Tibetan sleep postures ) and reciting one of 12 prayers corresponding to a month, but I wanted to introduce that element after I actually have churches. Oh right, one of the virtues would be considered spreading the religion itself by proselytizing.

Is that enough or should I add more?

I mean, not really what I had in mind in terms of theology, but what you want to create is up to you. I'm not going to tell you that your religion wont be inspiring - the story is yours to make.

I will say though that ritual has purpose and history behind it. Things like praying several times a day and reverance of water should probably have a solid basis behind them. Christian's dont simply celebrate the eucharist because it's cool, but because there is a purpose which can be traced back in history, to during the 1st supper. Jews celebrate passover and in the way they do for a specific reason. So on and so forth.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ah, war! A good word, an honest word. The Arab warriors will burn your cities and take your heads. A pity you are not a handsome folk.

[Endem]

Are ya going on some kind of a war


Also,

Answer me Joohan

I mean, not really what I had in mind in terms of theology, but what you want to create is up to you. I'm not going to tell you that your religion wont be inspiring - the story is yours to make.

I will say though that ritual has purpose and history behind it. Things like praying several times a day and reverance of water should probably have a solid basis behind them. Christian's dont simply celebrate the eucharist because it's cool, but because there is a purpose which can be traced back in history, to during the 1st supper. Jews celebrate passover and in the way they do for a specific reason. So on and so forth.

Alright, understood, will do so.
Also, please tell me what you had in mind so that I can readjust what I'm doing wrong.