New Civilizations III ( OOC, Always Open )

[G-Tech Corporation]

eh you g - you check the collab recently?

Unfortunately nay. Busy weekend, and clonking through a multi-army battle in Different World. Tomorrow, with luck.

[Joohan]

Mind you, that’s not to say those conditions are absolutely necessary. Nomadic forces with many horses, for instance, might fight mounted anyway because of the availability of the beasts, heavy armor and specialized weaponry be damned.

As of this point in history, the use of horses in combat will be severely limited due to the still relatively wild nature of the beasts. We often neglect just how much of an affect we've made on the evolutionary process of the horse - but the great muscle bound beasts of today would not likely be found during this time period. It has been theorized that the reason for why chariots were so common during the bronze age was because of the still relatively underdeveloped nature of most horse breeds.

In the east ( read the steppe ) horses have been bred for about 500 years now; and in the West, Icedonia and the Imperium have only been breeding them for like 30 years now. Horses at this point in time are shock weapons, meant to rapidly surprise an opponent - not to be utilized for overly long amounts of time.

Camels do naturally posses the physical attributes we desire in well breed horses - save for one really important one, passivity. As i've demonstrated in my posts, camels are very mean spirited creatures, and are typically more intelligent than horses. It was because of these attributes that European nations typically veered away from any such ideas of utilizing them over horses. Camel cav can be done, but it's difficult.

of course, anyone who doesn't have some kind of an equestrian background should be taking years to figure these things out.

[Alaroma]

Mind you, that’s not to say those conditions are absolutely necessary. Nomadic forces with many horses, for instance, might fight mounted anyway because of the availability of the beasts, heavy armor and specialized weaponry be damned.

As of this point in history, the use of horses in combat will be severely limited due to the still relatively wild nature of the beasts. We often neglect just how much of an affect we've made on the evolutionary process of the horse - but the great muscle bound beasts of today would not likely be found during this time period. It has been theorized that the reason for why chariots were so common during the bronze age was because of the still relatively underdeveloped nature of most horse breeds.

In the east ( read the steppe ) horses have been bred for about 500 years now; and in the West, Icedonia and the Imperium have only been breeding them for like 30 years now. Horses at this point in time are shock weapons, meant to rapidly surprise an opponent - not to be utilized for overly long amounts of time.

Camels do naturally posses the physical attributes we desire in well breed horses - save for one really important one, passivity. As i've demonstrated in my posts, camels are very mean spirited creatures, and are typically more intelligent than horses. It was because of these attributes that European nations typically veered away from any such ideas of utilizing them over horses. Camel cav can be done, but it's difficult.

of course, anyone who doesn't have some kind of an equestrian background should be taking years to figure these things out.

The two things such as:

1) I don’t have many horses available
2) I have years to work it out

So count me lucky

[Joohan]

LETS FRIGGIN GOOOOOO

The post for Phobalhan took me waaaaay too long to make. Be advice, when i say red skin, just know that that is in reference to dravidians - nothing to do with the epithet for native americans.

Sax, imma read your nomad post in a sec.

Edit: I like your use of the word, sus

Also, totally embracing the mystical paganism and fetishism of your region - not looking to just recreate some monotheistic old religion. I dig, much approve

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

LETS FRIGGIN GOOOOOO

The post for Phobalhan took me waaaaay too long to make. Be advice, when i say red skin, just know that that is in reference to dravidians - nothing to do with the epithet for native americans.

Sax, imma read your nomad post in a sec.

Edit: I like your use of the word, sus

Also, totally embracing the mystical paganism and fetishism of your region - not looking to just recreate some monotheistic old religion. I dig, much approve

Thanks Johan! I’m really trying!

[Endem]

Ok, so, I'm a bit stumped, I have no idea how to really establish the religion I'm making, especially since the current plan involves converting the young adults and teens of the tribe Aleksander is in and going from there, but, I have no idea how to do it, especially aince I'm going in broader strokes, so, I wanted to ask, how can it be written more naturally then "uh, they listened to him, and got somewhat convinced, and after a couple meetings they've converted".

[Ralnis]

Ok, so, I'm a bit stumped, I have no idea how to really establish the religion I'm making, especially since the current plan involves converting the young adults and teens of the tribe Aleksander is in and going from there, but, I have no idea how to do it, especially aince I'm going in broader strokes, so, I wanted to ask, how can it be written more naturally then "uh, they listened to him, and got somewhat convinced, and after a couple meetings they've converted".

You could write about specific parts of your religion? Have posts develop it so we know just how people get converted?

[UniversalCommons]

I made a mistake, it is not Carthage where we are building it is Cyrene. search.php?keywords=cyrene&t=460193&sf=msgonly
Posted twice about Cyrene. So we would not be in Carthage. Cyrene would have grown though.
It would be an interesting point because we would use it for further exploration. Victor could visit there.
We would be experimenting to see if we could reproduce silphium which the Romans failed at.

[Joohan]

Ok, so, I'm a bit stumped, I have no idea how to really establish the religion I'm making, especially since the current plan involves converting the young adults and teens of the tribe Aleksander is in and going from there, but, I have no idea how to do it, especially aince I'm going in broader strokes, so, I wanted to ask, how can it be written more naturally then "uh, they listened to him, and got somewhat convinced, and after a couple meetings they've converted".

Aleksander has to be convinced of it first. Last we left off, he was just pondering on the unlikelyness of his happening upon safe haven in the desert, no? What event has inspired him of the divine? Before he himself can make others believe, he'll have to convince himself. Proclaiming oneself a servant of the divine or some supernatural mission requires a lot of characterization.

Then, if you plan on converting others that requires a mission statement for them to believe in. For Christian's, its theosis, for muslims its paradise, for Buddhists it is nirvana, for Hindus it is to achieve Samsarra, for Daoists it is The Way.

Most pagan Faith's ( Hellens, Shinto, virtue cults ) just want a good mortal life and a pleasant after life ( Elysium or apotheosis if you're a go getter).

Good theology has logic and motive behind it

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Ok, so, I'm a bit stumped, I have no idea how to really establish the religion I'm making, especially since the current plan involves converting the young adults and teens of the tribe Aleksander is in and going from there, but, I have no idea how to do it, especially aince I'm going in broader strokes, so, I wanted to ask, how can it be written more naturally then "uh, they listened to him, and got somewhat convinced, and after a couple meetings they've converted".

Aleksander has to be convinced of it first. Last we left off, he was just pondering on the unlikelyness of his happening upon safe haven in the desert, no? What event has inspired him of the divine? Before he himself can make others believe, he'll have to convince himself. Proclaiming oneself a servant of the divine or some supernatural mission requires a lot of characterization.

Then, if you plan on converting others that requires a mission statement for them to believe in. For Christian's, its theosis, for muslims its paradise, for Buddhists it is nirvana, for Hindus it is to achieve Samsarra, for Daoists it is The Way.

Most pagan Faith's ( Hellens, Shinto, virtue cults ) just want a good mortal life and a pleasant after life ( Elysium or apotheosis if you're a go getter).

Good theology has logic and motive behind it

tfw my culture has no afterlife

[Joohan]

Aleksander has to be convinced of it first. Last we left off, he was just pondering on the unlikelyness of his happening upon safe haven in the desert, no? What event has inspired him of the divine? Before he himself can make others believe, he'll have to convince himself. Proclaiming oneself a servant of the divine or some supernatural mission requires a lot of characterization.

Then, if you plan on converting others that requires a mission statement for them to believe in. For Christian's, its theosis, for muslims its paradise, for Buddhists it is nirvana, for Hindus it is to achieve Samsarra, for Daoists it is The Way.

Most pagan Faith's ( Hellens, Shinto, virtue cults ) just want a good mortal life and a pleasant after life ( Elysium or apotheosis if you're a go getter).

Good theology has logic and motive behind it

tfw im making my culture have no afterlife

Not all Faith's require one, case in point - hindu atheism, or confucianism

Edit: heck, the point of jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism is to not exist anymore

[Suriyanakhon]

tfw my culture has no afterlife

That actually isn't completely out of the ordinary, since Josephus describes the Sadducees as not believing in the existence of one.

Edit: heck, the point of jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism is to not exist anymore

My dude, no.

[Joohan]

Edit: heck, the point of jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism is to not exist anymore

My dude, no.

My dude, how else am I supposed to interpret Nirvana given that this is the wiki explanation?

" The state of nirvana is also described in Buddhism as cessation of all afflictions, cessation of all actions, cessation of rebirths and suffering that are a consequence of afflictions and actions.[44] Liberation is described as identical to anatta (anatman, non-self, lack of any self).[50][51] In Buddhism, liberation is achieved when all things and beings are understood to be with no Self.[51][52] Nirvana is also described as identical to achieving sunyata (emptiness), where there is no essence or fundamental nature in anything, and everything is empty "

Edit: yeah, but I was off the mark for Jainism - where the goal is just to get to nerd Elysium - and Hinduism - which is just a kind of pantheistic theosis

[Joohan]

Explanation for the event:

With the imperial southeast being quarantined from the rest of the empire, and being ravaged by the red death, it's made itself an excellent target from the go getting war bands of the Balkans and Romania. That tribe who asked to swear the oaths in exchange for the cure - the exception. What happened in the post is a small snap shot of what is happening all across the southeastern quadrant of the Imperium right now. They are ransacking villages whole sale, they are steeling weapons and other advanced items, and they will be attempting to negotiate in exchange for hostages.

This concludes info on Pioneer.exe.

[Suriyanakhon]

My dude, no.

My dude, how else am I supposed to interpret Nirvana given that this is the wiki explanation?

" The state of nirvana is also described in Buddhism as cessation of all afflictions, cessation of all actions, cessation of rebirths and suffering that are a consequence of afflictions and actions.[44] Liberation is described as identical to anatta (anatman, non-self, lack of any self).[50][51] In Buddhism, liberation is achieved when all things and beings are understood to be with no Self.[51][52] Nirvana is also described as identical to achieving sunyata (emptiness), where there is no essence or fundamental nature in anything, and everything is empty "

Edit: yeah, but I was off the mark for Jainism - where the goal is just to get to nerd Elysium - and Hinduism - which is just a kind of pantheistic theosis

The wiki page is referring to an extremely broad concept which there was never a general consensus on and which existence has been debated for some time around 2,500 years more or less. The idea of annihilation wouldn't apply to the Mahayana because of their concept of the three bodies, where the Buddha possesses an unlimited and immortal form along with his earthly body, or the Theravada where the concept was addressed early on.

Again, it should not be said that Nibbána does not exist. Why not? Because it then follows that the way would be futile. [508] For if Nibbána were non- existent, then it would follow that the right way, which includes the three aggregates beginning with virtue and is headed by right understanding, would be futile. And it is not futile because it does reach Nibbána.

[Joohan]

My dude, how else am I supposed to interpret Nirvana given that this is the wiki explanation?

" The state of nirvana is also described in Buddhism as cessation of all afflictions, cessation of all actions, cessation of rebirths and suffering that are a consequence of afflictions and actions.[44] Liberation is described as identical to anatta (anatman, non-self, lack of any self).[50][51] In Buddhism, liberation is achieved when all things and beings are understood to be with no Self.[51][52] Nirvana is also described as identical to achieving sunyata (emptiness), where there is no essence or fundamental nature in anything, and everything is empty "

Edit: yeah, but I was off the mark for Jainism - where the goal is just to get to nerd Elysium - and Hinduism - which is just a kind of pantheistic theosis

The wiki page is referring to an extremely broad concept which there was never a general consensus on and which existence has been debated for some time around 2,500 years more or less. The idea of annihilation wouldn't apply to the Mahayana because of their concept of the three bodies, where the Buddha possesses an unlimited and immortal form along with his earthly body, or the Theravada where the concept was addressed early on.

Again, it should not be said that Nibbána does not exist. Why not? Because it then follows that the way would be futile. [508] For if Nibbána were non- existent, then it would follow that the right way, which includes the three aggregates beginning with virtue and is headed by right understanding, would be futile. And it is not futile because it does reach Nibbána.

Thank you, you nerd.

[Suriyanakhon]

The wiki page is referring to an extremely broad concept which there was never a general consensus on and which existence has been debated for some time around 2,500 years more or less. The idea of annihilation wouldn't apply to the Mahayana because of their concept of the three bodies, where the Buddha possesses an unlimited and immortal form along with his earthly body, or the Theravada where the concept was addressed early on.

Thank you, you nerd.

You're welcome, friend.

[Joohan]

Thank you, you nerd.

You're welcome, friend.

How well read up are you on Indian history: I gotta a question, and I haven't found too many answers.

[Suriyanakhon]

You're welcome, friend.

How well read up are you on Indian history: I gotta a question, and I haven't found too many answers.

Wouldn't claim to be an expert, but depending on what it's about, I might know.

[Joohan]

How well read up are you on Indian history: I gotta a question, and I haven't found too many answers.

Wouldn't claim to be an expert, but depending on what it's about, I might know.

Pre-vedic India. I get vague references to the Dravidians hanging out in the South, and Tibeto-Burmese round the Himalaya's, but east of the Indus valley and before the aryans get there, it's like we've got no idea what's going on.

[Ralnis]

You know this whole Red Plague was Luther's fault since he through half of the Middle East in a 20 year war. So if Luther figured that out then I don't know if devastated would be the word I would use.

[Joohan]

You know this whole Red Plague was Luther's fault since he through half of the Middle East in a 20 year war. So if Luther figured that out then I don't know if devastated would be the word I would use.

Think of it this way - Europe will be too devastated to hold up against the Sumerian invasion

[Suriyanakhon]

Wouldn't claim to be an expert, but depending on what it's about, I might know.

Pre-vedic India. I get vague references to the Dravidians hanging out in the South, and Tibeto-Burmese round the Himalaya's, but east of the Indus valley and before the aryans get there, it's like we've got no idea what's going on.

I'm not entirely sure, but based on the evidence, we know that some of the peoples (such as the Shakyans) who inhabited this region in the 6th century BCE were considered intermixed between the Aryans and the indigenous peoples, and that they had cultural features which were against the norms of Brahmanical society such as a lack of caste distinctions, worship of nāgas, marriage between siblings, etc. It might be safe to conclude that they were Austroasiatic, such as the Munda people.