Land of The Free: American Political Roleplay (OOC V)

[New Cobastheia]

I have a question, how long ago did the Republican party stop trying to help the environment? Was is Bush I or Bush II or did it happen with Trump?

Around Bush II and Obama IIRC

[Bruke]

I have a question, how long ago did the Republican party stop trying to help the environment? Was is Bush I or Bush II or did it happen with Trump?

Bush I was okay with the US joining one of the first international climate change treaties. Up to Bush II there was talk of climate change within the GOP (McCain talked about climate in 2008.)

So... between Bush II and Trump, climate change became more... polarized.

[Louisianan]

I have a question, how long ago did the Republican party stop trying to help the environment? Was is Bush I or Bush II or did it happen with Trump?

Bush I was okay with the US joining one of the first international climate change treaties. Up to Bush II there was talk of climate change within the GOP (McCain talked about climate in 2008.)

So... between Bush II and Trump, climate change became more... polarized.

I know that Tricky Dick was in favor of saving the climate and so was Reagan. its strange that the Bushes don't care about the bushes XDDDD. I know trump doesn't believe in it. I really think that Trump changed the Republican Party in good ways and bad ways.

[Bruke]

Bush I was okay with the US joining one of the first international climate change treaties. Up to Bush II there was talk of climate change within the GOP (McCain talked about climate in 2008.)

So... between Bush II and Trump, climate change became more... polarized.

I know that Tricky Dick was in favor of saving the climate and so was Reagan. its strange that the Bushes don't care about the bushes XDDDD. I know trump doesn't believe in it. I really think that Trump changed the Republican Party in good ways and bad ways.

Reagan? I think there was discussion of climate issues as far back as... LBJ if memory serves me right. But that didn’t go anywhere.

There we go... so from what I gather, Reagan wasn’t as gung ho about government action on climate change, and Carter was uniquely qualified to understand the issue.

https://grist.org/article/scientists-to ... e-in-1965/

https://time.com/5894179/jimmy-carter-climate-change/

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Jimmy Carter is a good guy, but did not possess the ruthlessness required to be a good President.

[Bruke]

Jimmy Carter is a good guy, but did not possess the ruthlessness required to be a good President.

I agree and disagree with you at the same time...

As our head of state, not just our head of government, the President ought to embody the best of America.

On the other hand... a lot of shady stuff was done to make sure America became a superpower

[Louisianan]

Jimmy Carter is a good guy, but did not possess the ruthlessness required to be a good President.

Kinda like Mayor Pete, he's too smart for that office XD

[Louisianan]

So much political change has happened within the past two decades, at this point I think America needs stability.

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

So much political change has happened within the past two decades, at this point I think America needs stability.

I expect the GOP will realize their mistake in opposing/seeding doubt in climate change in the early 2030's

[New Cobastheia]

So much political change has happened within the past two decades, at this point I think America needs stability.

I expect the GOP will realize their mistake in opposing/seeding doubt in climate change in the early 2030's

Right in time for the intranational refugee crises to start

[Bruke]

I love that the Reapportionment Act gives representation to the territories, they need to be represented too.

Now if only there could be a bill handling reorganizing certain territories (excluding PR)...

Credit to CGP Grey’s video “American Empire” for calling this to my attention...

American Samoa should be organized as a proper territory instead of being unorganized.

[New Cobastheia]

I love that the Reapportionment Act gives representation to the territories, they need to be represented too.

Now if only there could be a bill handling reorganizing certain territories (excluding PR)...

Credit to CGP Grey’s video “American Empire” for calling this to my attention...

American Samoa should be organized as a proper territory instead of being unorganized.

Have Karel call up Nez if that's the case, I mean she really should try and focus writing legislation on something else, but reorganizing the territories and elections is just so easy to write up in bill form

[Bruke]

I love that the Reapportionment Act gives representation to the territories, they need to be represented too.

Now if only there could be a bill handling reorganizing certain territories (excluding PR)...

Credit to CGP Grey’s video “American Empire” for calling this to my attention...

American Samoa should be organized as a proper territory instead of being unorganized.

Have Karel call up Nez if that's the case, I mean she really should try and focus writing legislation on something else, but reorganizing the territories and elections is just so easy to write up in bill form

This is me, OOC, saying I like all of this and wish it happened in real life.

[New Cobastheia]

Have Karel call up Nez if that's the case, I mean she really should try and focus writing legislation on something else, but reorganizing the territories and elections is just so easy to write up in bill form

This is me, OOC, saying I like all of this and wish it happened in real life.

I am very tired and could not tell

[Bruke]

This is me, OOC, saying I like all of this and wish it happened in real life.

I am very tired and could not tell

Get some sleep!

Idk how interested Karel would be in this, but given that there’s a sizable Caribbean population in New York, and how much he respect Nez, he’d be willing to push that through the Senate.

[Jovuistan]

I need to write AWJ's campaign announcement but I'm not sure how to approach it.

[Bruke]

I need to write AWJ's campaign announcement but I'm not sure how to approach it.

He’s running in Idaho right?

[New Cobastheia]

I need to write AWJ's campaign announcement but I'm not sure how to approach it.

I can TG you what I have for Eliza so far if you think it'll give you inspiration

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

So much political change has happened within the past two decades, at this point I think America needs stability.

I expect the GOP will realize their mistake in opposing/seeding doubt in climate change in the early 2030's

Burgun will never realize the error of his ways, as North Dakota isn't sinking into the sea or will be adversely affected by climate change. He will view as a "owning the libs" moment

[Bruke]

I expect the GOP will realize their mistake in opposing/seeding doubt in climate change in the early 2030's

Burgun will never realize the error of his ways, as North Dakota isn't sinking into the sea or will be adversely affected by climate change. He will view as a "owning the libs" moment

Slim will be happy to gently nudge the GOP in the right direction.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Put up Clay's wiki page.

https://land-of-the-free.fandom.com/wiki/Crawford_Clay

[Lavan Tiri]

Put up Clay's wiki page.

https://land-of-the-free.fandom.com/wiki/Crawford_Clay

I will smooch you if you make pages for my characters

[Emazia]

Jimmy Carter is a good guy, but did not possess the ruthlessness required to be a good President.

Well he did prop up a regime that killed half a million political opponents and genocided half a million more...

[Lavan Tiri]

Burgun will never realize the error of his ways, as North Dakota isn't sinking into the sea or will be adversely affected by climate change. He will view as a "owning the libs" moment

Slim will be happy to gently nudge the GOP in the right direction.

Evander will kick Burgun in the balls until he dies if it saves a single farm in South Dakota.

[Sarenium]

So much political change has happened within the past two decades, at this point I think America needs stability.

I expect the GOP will realize their mistake in opposing/seeding doubt in climate change in the early 2030's

They'll realize it when 'Florida is drowning' translates into millions in water damage as 'Florida is flooded annually as a tradition', also when 'Cyclones are in Alabama' becomes fact on the yearly. Voters won't blame them for it because the average American voter does not understand the link between intensified natural disasters, pollution, climate change and why their house just got crushed so I suspect while the party will realize, the constituencies which suffer won't.

Also, to answer the question, Bush II began it and then after Obama took office, climate/environment was until 2009 an area where both parties were generally in sync, it's good economics, it's insanely good foreign policy and it benefits farmers and city-dwellers to address it, like there wasn't any political blowback except from the oil and gas lobby. After McConnell went full "we will not give Obama the traditional bipartisan candor that we've all come to appreciate" (for the first two years of Bush II, the Senate was a volatile and narrowly controlled chamber by the Republicans, and this at a time when moderate northern Republicans and conservative Democrats existed so it was literally a volatile uncontrollable institution which still gave Bush some credence), McConnell tacked to the right and monopolized the oil and gas money by converting the party into a group of climate denialists. By inciting the love of the oil and gas lobby, McConnell was able to convert the Dakotas into 'vote D and lose your oil well job', which is where he picked up a few extra seats over the next few years (to offset losses in more moderate states), and the party also embraced the Tea Party's views in full ahead of 2010.

To this day there are Republicans at all levels who do want to address climate change, they don't want to name it climate change and instead prefer to view it through the energy independence side and 'local jobs' side, where both parties lost their way is discussing energy, environmental, conservational and climate change all in one. Yes they're linked but 95% of voters, across both parties will associate each term with a different set of policies, energy policy tends to focus on my power and fuel expenses, environment is vague but sounds like something vegan, conservation sounds like national parks and monitored sport hunting while climate change sounds like a buzz phrase used to encompass a list of potential occurrences. I do not understand why Democrats aren't campaigning on 'cheaper power bills, cleaner air and you in charge of your energy use' or something of the sort, addressing the climate emergency is an urban/young/left chant and does not win you elections so much as it wins you arguments. None of this forgives Republicans blatantly permitting misinformation and literal fake news from hijacking the conversation but it conveniently let them avoid talking wage depression and a broken union movement as the cause for the decline of blue collar America and blame 'overregulation'.

In conclusion, Reagan set the scene when he expressed contempt for the then-green revolution taking place by associating it with 'Washington bureaucrats', then Bush II tried but failed to tack to the middle and Bush I did nothing because by the time of signing the Kyoto Agreement, there was an economy with cracks showing (this is 2004/05) and Bush viewed it as regulation at a time of economic uncertainty which he'd rather avoid. If Joe Lieberman had shut his piehole and accepted a public option then by mid-2010 Democrats COULD have passed an environmental bill as well as everything else, but thanks to Republicans scorched earth tactics AND internal divisions over healthcare, Obama had a stunted first two years. Also, Fox News did the Fox News thing of ratcheting out voters for 2010 and with Republicans in the House, they'd rather do nothing than give Obama a victory. By Trump's time, environmentalists in the Republican Party retired in 2018/killed themselves or shut their mouth. Environmental issues also stopped being a problem, mostly because as I said, Americans don't attach extreme disasters to environmental/energy/climate policy or California would be protesting and Florida would have voted Biden 55-45.