NATION

PASSWORD

Tales of Two Horizons OOC 1.4 OPEN

For all of your non-NationStates related roleplaying needs!

Advertisement

Remove ads

Favorite Region to RP in

North Africa
2
12%
South Africa
1
6%
The Americas
2
12%
East Asia
3
18%
South Asia
0
No votes
Europe
4
24%
Indonesia
1
6%
The Middle East
1
6%
Oceania
0
No votes
Global Empire
3
18%
 
Total votes : 17

User avatar
The Industrial States of Columbia
Senator
 
Posts: 4109
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Mother Knows Best State

Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:16 pm

Zedeshia wrote:
Generic Info
Nation Name: Kingdom of Spain
Symbols: National Anthem of Spain: Marcha Real, Official Flag of the Kingdom of Spain, Cross of Burgundy
Location: 4
Population: 12,345,000
Capital City: Madrid
Civilization Status: Civilized

Government Info
Government Type: Semi-Constitutional Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: Following a period of immense unrest and instability, it proved important for the rulers of Spain to regain control following four years of power struggles for the Spanish Throne. Soon after his ascension as King of Spain, the ruling monarch Carlos de Borbón declared a state of national emergency, claiming that it was necessary for order to be restored in the country. The structure of the kingdom was radically changed, shifting power from autonomous feudal lords to an absolute monarch. Attempting to guarantee that the power of himself and his closest allies among the Spanish nobility and clergy would be secured, the King purged the nation's bureaucracy of any opposition, and then granted friendly noble families guaranteed membership as part of the Spanish High Council. The Spanish High Council (Consejo Superior de España) is the second most powerful body within the Spanish government, only surpassed by the ruling monarch. The Council is made up of 150 seats, of which 70 are members of the nobility, 30 are high-ranking members of the Catholic Church in Spain, and 50 are elected "people's representatives". The High Council functions simultaneously as a group of advisors for the King, who holds the ability to make unquestionable declarations, as well as the main force organizing matters that are viewed as unimportant at the time. The concentration of power within the Spanish government has shifted greatly, as the autonomy of Spanish nobles has overall been drastically lessened, with most of their power now being held within the High Council and dominionship over their territories mainly ceremonial, the clergy remaining prominent in Spanish society but claiming to be under represented in the High Council, and for the first time a limited idea of democracy being introduced on a greater scale.
Ideology: Carlism, Monarchism, Conservativism, Spanish Nationalism
Leader: King Carlos María Isidro Benito de Borbón
Relations Following the "Reign of Chaos" Spain slowly entered into a diplomatically isolated and self-recovering state, yet still holds complicated relations with many of their neighbors. To the north there is the Kingdom of France, which following the rise of Carlos to power relations have grown somewhat strained. The Bourbons in France did not show any support to the Carlists during the four years of conflict that raged through the country, instead backing the right of Isabella II to become the Queen of Spain in due time. Though never directly intervening, Bourbonist militias were often supplied by the French to the north, causing the Carlist government to view the French Kingdom with much suspicion. The general population of France and Spain however are generally on good terms, with friendly trade often passing over the Pyrenees. Meanwhile over the Atlantic there lies the many states that gained their independence from Spain in the Americas, in which relations range from somewhat cordial to distant. With exception to the Free State of Spanish Florida and the United Mexican States, Spain did not officially recognize the sovereignty of the independent nations in the New World until very recently, and still holds claims over some lands in the region. This naturally has caused tensions between the kingdom and the newly formed governments of such states.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The Spanish population in recent history has proven itself to be highly divided and dissatisfied with the current system set in place in the kingdom. Spain always has been and still is a place of immense diversity, with a wide array of different cultures and ethnic groups within its borders, from the Basques to natives of the Spanish West Indies. However, as political tensions rise and fall and the new Carlist monarchy lasts on there has been an alarming increase of conflict between different groups in the Kingdom.
Religion: Spain is largely Christian and Catholic, with Roman Catholicism being recognized as the official religion of the state. However, there are some notable Protestant and Jewish minorities that reside in the Kingdom.
Main/Accepted Cultures: Castilian Spanish, Aragonese Spanish
Other Cultures: Galician, Basque, Catalan,

Military Info
Army: 6.5/10 - The Spanish Army, like much of the nation's recent history, has entered a state of decline overall. Though still competent and of reasonable size, fielding approximately 250,000 men in total, the army has continuously suffered from issues with supply and an incompetent leadership that has only recently fallen under criticism by those in the government. The army itself is divided into two major branches: the General Army which consists mainly of conscripted troops, and the Royal Guards, which are made up of highly trained and loyal Carlist soldiers.
Navy: 7/10 - The Spanish Navy has fared perhaps slightly better than the army. Containing a relatively smaller amount of ships overall, what Spain does possess is considered of high quality and fine craft. The Spanish navy is made up of 56 ships in total, 12 of which are stationed in the Spanish West Indies. Spain also controls a force of 3,500 marines, who are largely based on British designs.

Other Info
Economic Strength: 12/20

Where other European states have seen a massive wave of industrialization and growth, Spain has time and time again lagged behind economically. Though industrialization efforts have begun to take place in major cities such as Madrid or Barcelona the country remains widely rural in many places, with peasants tending to focus mainly on farming and fishing. Worsening this issue is the fact that Spain lacks much of the necessary connections either on land or overseas to neighboring states, which has limited potential growth. Trade to and from Spain was at one point in history immensely profitable, but as time passed and interests moved elsewhere in the world, this faded. The slow decline of the Spanish colonial empire has exasperated this issue even further, as the widescale revolutions across what was once New Spain, and later Florida led to lucrative resources ceasing to reach the homeland. Now only the Spanish West Indies remain, their contribution to Spain's current wealth notable but far from what once was. However, change is coming soon, as since much of the former feudal control over Spanish lands has been stripped away capitalist businesses have begun to take their place. Industrialization, when embraced, has brought forward great results in the nation. Though the economic situation in Spain is currently less than desirable, the future still holds promise.

Development: 14.5/20

Perhaps one of the few saving graces of the current Spanish regime among the population of the country is its efforts on rebuilding and expanding infrastructure. Following the period of unrest that eventually ended with the official succession of a new monarch, many major ports, harbors, roads, and even railways had been partially destroyed. However, this damage would soon be reversed through reconstruction efforts, and using newly acquired funds from the Spanish High Council many local governments even were able to expand infrastructure beyond what was once before. There is much yet to be desired, with railways not fully implemented and many rural areas of the country having only access to dirt roads and paths, but this is quickly improving.

Public Order: 6/20

Following the struggle for power by multiple factions of the ruling class of Spain and the eventual victory of the Carlists, the general population of the country has grown to be deeply bitter, to say the very least. Though most opponents of King Carlos were removed from power, popular support of their movements continued, and with new problems arising from the monarch's absolute rule, soon began to grow. It is not uncommon for one to encounter a Bourbonist, a Spanish Bonapartist, and other non-Carlist royalists among the people of France, much to the dismay of any supporters of the current dynasty. Not only that, but following increasing frustrations with the Spanish monarchy as a whole, revolutionary republican, separatist, and similar movements have grown greatly in prominence, inspired by the French Revolution of recent history. Overall, the people of Spain are far from supportive of the current government, and public unrest, though slowly improving from the previous four years of chaos, is still widespread.

Goals: Secure and expand control in the Caribbean, establish colonies in Africa, rapidly industrialize, replace monarchist government (My focus is not exactly on preserving the power of the Carlists but rather exploring a Spanish Revolution and what would follow).

History:

Fate had not been kind to Spain in the new century. Once a great power that none in the world could question, the kingdom had slowly entered a state of decline. When or where this began is a matter of controversial discussion. Some scholars have speculated that the effect of this truly came with the brutal invasion by Napoleon to the north, others have claimed that it occurred naturally starting from the early 18th century, while those more pessimistic point to the Spanish defeat in the Philippines. Whatever the case truly be, it was clear following the end of the Napoleonic Wars that the Kingdom was damaged in a way never before thought to be possible. Within only a few centuries Spain had devolved from the home of extravagant nobility and royalty wealthier beyond one's wildest fantasies to a new backwater among Western Europe, lacking both the industrial power of Britain and the militaristic infamy of France or Prussia. With the temporary overthrow of the rightful Spanish ruler and the establishment of a Bonapartist puppet Spain's colonies in the New World found ample opportunity to separate themselves with their masters over the Atlantic, which they quickly pursued. States from across New Spain declared their independence, from the Argentine Confederation to Florida. When the Spanish line of the Bourbon Dynasty was restored the country that remained had lost much of its former glory. Many believed that Spain would at last recover when Ferdinand VII returned to power, but this was not to be.

Ferdinand VII's health had proven to be unsteady at best in the past, and this would come once again to strike the newly restored monarch. The King soon fell into poor health, and despite the best efforts of the physicians who attempted to heal him, entered into a coma in 1824. As he was unable to rule many local lords and other members of the nobility soon took advantage of the situation, and seized greater control of their estates, taking every opportunity to further their own power. Ferdinand's closest family attempted to organize a temporary government with the King's brother Carlos at its head to combat these efforts, but this failed. Finally, after two years of entering an unresponsive state the Spanish King passed away, and a new conflict would soon arise. Tensions between different factions in the country had grown greater and greater as time moved on, and following the death of the King conflicts over the crown's successor would grow volatile. Various factions soon arose claiming that they were the rightful heir of the Spanish throne. The two most notable of these factions were the Carlists and the Bourbonists, who dominated this struggle for power. The Bourbonists supported the official succession of the young Isabel II (Born in 1823 and of Ferdinand's third wife Maria Josepha Amalia of Saxony rather than in 1830 by Ferdinand's fourth wife) as Queen of Spain, with a regency set in place until she was of age, while the Carlists claimed that Isabel's claim to the throne was illegitimate due the nature of Spain's Salic succession laws, and wished to establish the King's brother Carlos as the next monarch. However, the Carlists and Bourbonists were far from the only factions claiming legitimacy in Spain, as some wished for the leaders of major noble families to become the new monarch, while others wished for the restoration of those with much more dubious claims such as those of the Houses Bonaparte and Von Hapsburg.

With each faction vying to gain power in Spain no agreement over who would officially become the next ruler could be reached, and as tensions grew violence in the streets of Madrid became a common occurrence. This politically inspired violence spread rapidly across the Kingdom of Spain, as militias and similar groups began to arm themselves and clash bloodily. This situation would quickly devolve into what would eventually become known as the "Reign of Chaos", where the official government of Spain held little power and civil conflict was common. Though never considered an outright civil war the Reign of Chaos often was treated as such throughout the four years that it lasted until it finally ended with the assassination of a young Isabel II on November 19th, 1830 and the subsequent succession of Carlos V as King of Spain. Resistance to this was powerful in certain areas of the country, but with a reorganization of the remaining Spanish military such resistance was soon suppressed. The Carlists had last achieved their goal, but if this was to last was yet to be seen.

Carlos V of Spain was able to consolidate his control over the kingdom with a brutal efficiency that few would have expected. Following his incompetent handling of the crisis soon after the death of his brother, many believed that the new King of Spain would lose his power as quickly he had gained it. But despite all expectations Carlos was able to regain full control of Spain extremely quickly. Many families among the Spanish nobility had revealed themselves to be disloyal to the current monarch, either actively supporting Carlo's opponents during the Reign of Chaos or openly claiming that they themselves had the right to rule. These families were essentially purged from the Spanish government, revoked of their titles and at times even imprisoned and executed under charges of treason. To ensure that such nobles would never again step out of line and attempt to seize control for themselves, the autonomy and power of feudal lords in the country was greatly weakened. Carlos then proceeded to grant himself complete authority over matters of government, bringing a return of absolutism. But following protests among many by this he soon realized that it was necessary to grant some concessions. His solution to this was at first unclear, but allegedly after many days of reflection led to the official establishment of the Spanish High Council, which would act as a group of governors and advisors. Among this new council Carlos selected his closest allies among the nobility and clergy, promising to grant them power there in exchange for a smooth transition to more centralized control, as well as a sizeable number of "people's representatives", who were to be democratically elected every six years among the general population of Spain as a sign of public support. These changes passed without much opposition, and with a temporary return of stability reconstruction efforts began and were continued until 1833. The current system set in place in Spain is by no means popular, with many in the country opposed to its absolute monarchy and extreme centralism. However there is still hope left for the Carlists in power. What will occur in the future is yet to be seen, but the people of Spain are prepared for what must be done.

429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.


So I like what I see so far, one thing I would say though is your navy should be far weaker. From what I have read, the Spanish Navy was pretty oofed in this period. Granted this is alternate history, but Europe is meant to stay somewhat close to the course it took irl, and making a really strong Spanish navy is probably best saved for an IC project. More clarification on some of the ships might be asked for, but as Spain is not a Great Power it isn't required. Clarification on army composition would also be appreciated while on the military topic.

Once those two are addressed, your app will be accepted.
Cobalt Network Signups-|-Cobalt Network Main Page
A Fan of Type II alternate history
-Dom Pedro II
-Queen Elizabeth I
-Our Current Pope
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Joan of Arc
-Giovanni Belzoni
-Nikola Tesla
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.

User avatar
Tales of Two Horizons OP
Secretary
 
Posts: 27
Founded: Oct 14, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Tales of Two Horizons OP » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:06 am

Also, poll up for you guys. Feel free to say why you voted for what.

User avatar
Kargintina the Third
Senator
 
Posts: 4070
Founded: Dec 17, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Kargintina the Third » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:19 am

1890s for the aesthetic
Representative Earl Tenson (R-MT-All)

Senate candidate Christina Mudale (R-AL)

Senator Nickolai Dernilski (D-OH)

Houston Mayor Harold Baines (D-TX)

User avatar
The Industrial States of Columbia
Senator
 
Posts: 4109
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Mother Knows Best State

Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:55 am

Kargintina the Third wrote:1890s for the aesthetic


If I had to choose one other than the 50-60 period I would go for the 90s myself
Cobalt Network Signups-|-Cobalt Network Main Page
A Fan of Type II alternate history
-Dom Pedro II
-Queen Elizabeth I
-Our Current Pope
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Joan of Arc
-Giovanni Belzoni
-Nikola Tesla
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.

User avatar
Tracian Empire
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26890
Founded: Mar 01, 2014
Father Knows Best State

Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:26 pm

To be honest, personally I'd choose 1848-1860

The 1848 Revolutions are full of possible divergences and can be a really fun period all around, and regardless of their end, moving into the 50's means that this is the era of great unrest in the Middle East and of a potential Crimean War
I'm a Romanian, a vampire, an anime enthusiast and a roleplayer.
Hello there! I am Tracian Empire! You can call me Tracian, Thrace, Thracian, Thracr, Thracc or whatever you want. Really.

User avatar
The Palmetto
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5216
Founded: Feb 05, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Palmetto » Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:27 pm

Though I’ll be staying as an IEC and possibly rejoining with a different nation, I’m going to be dropping Prussia. Running a DND campaign has taken up most of my motivation & creative energy, so playing as Prussia feels like an uninteresting chore to me. Hopefully we can find someone else to fill that gap, I’m sure there’s someone more motivated than I am.

Can’t wait to rejoin as a shithole in Southeast Asia and trigger a nuclear war.
A rowdy redneck from South Carolina who tries to RP every now and again.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."

User avatar
Da Klan
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1139
Founded: Feb 08, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Da Klan » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:00 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:1890s for the aesthetic

80s-90s for me as well tbh. I'm not sure why I think it's because we can really see the world take a big pivot to a new direction beginning at this time.

User avatar
Zedeshia
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 173
Founded: Sep 25, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Zedeshia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:03 pm

Edited application for Spain:

Generic Info
Nation Name: Kingdom of Spain
Symbols: National Anthem of Spain: Marcha Real, Official Flag of the Kingdom of Spain, Cross of Burgundy
Location: 4
Population: 12,345,000
Capital City: Madrid
Civilization Status: Civilized

Government Info
Government Type: Semi-Constitutional Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: Following a period of immense unrest and instability, it proved important for the rulers of Spain to regain control following four years of power struggles for the Spanish Throne. Soon after his ascension as King of Spain, the ruling monarch Carlos de Borbón declared a state of national emergency, claiming that it was necessary for order to be restored in the country. The structure of the kingdom was radically changed, shifting power from autonomous feudal lords to an absolute monarch. Attempting to guarantee that the power of himself and his closest allies among the Spanish nobility and clergy would be secured, the King purged the nation's bureaucracy of any opposition, and then granted friendly noble families guaranteed membership as part of the Spanish High Council. The Spanish High Council (Consejo Superior de España) is the second most powerful body within the Spanish government, only surpassed by the ruling monarch. The Council is made up of 150 seats, of which 70 are members of the nobility, 30 are high-ranking members of the Catholic Church in Spain, and 50 are elected "people's representatives". The High Council functions simultaneously as a group of advisors for the King, who holds the ability to make unquestionable declarations, as well as the main force organizing matters that are viewed as unimportant at the time. The concentration of power within the Spanish government has shifted greatly, as the autonomy of Spanish nobles has overall been drastically lessened, with most of their power now being held within the High Council and dominionship over their territories mainly ceremonial, the clergy remaining prominent in Spanish society but claiming to be under represented in the High Council, and for the first time a limited idea of democracy being introduced on a greater scale.
Ideology: Carlism, Monarchism, Conservativism, Spanish Nationalism
Leader: King Carlos María Isidro Benito de Borbón
Relations Following the "Reign of Chaos" Spain slowly entered into a diplomatically isolated and self-recovering state, yet still holds complicated relations with many of their neighbors. To the north there is the Kingdom of France, which following the rise of Carlos to power relations have grown somewhat strained. The Bourbons in France did not show any support to the Carlists during the four years of conflict that raged through the country, instead backing the right of Isabella II to become the Queen of Spain in due time. Though never directly intervening, Bourbonist militias were often supplied by the French to the north, causing the Carlist government to view the French Kingdom with much suspicion. The general population of France and Spain however are generally on good terms, with friendly trade often passing over the Pyrenees. Meanwhile over the Atlantic there lies the many states that gained their independence from Spain in the Americas, in which relations range from somewhat cordial to distant. With exception to the Free State of Spanish Florida and the United Mexican States, Spain did not officially recognize the sovereignty of the independent nations in the New World until very recently, and still holds claims over some lands in the region. This naturally has caused tensions between the kingdom and the newly formed governments of such states.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The Spanish population in recent history has proven itself to be highly divided and dissatisfied with the current system set in place in the kingdom. Spain always has been and still is a place of immense diversity, with a wide array of different cultures and ethnic groups within its borders, from the Basques to natives of the Spanish West Indies. However, as political tensions rise and fall and the new Carlist monarchy lasts on there has been an alarming increase of conflict between different groups in the Kingdom.
Religion: Spain is largely Christian and Catholic, with Roman Catholicism being recognized as the official religion of the state. However, there are some notable Protestant and Jewish minorities that reside in the Kingdom.
Main/Accepted Cultures: Castilian Spanish, Aragonese Spanish
Other Cultures: Galician, Basque, Catalan,

Military Info
Army: 6.5/10 - The Spanish Army, like much of the nation's recent history, has entered a state of decline overall. Though still competent and of reasonable size, fielding approximately 250,000 men in total, the army has continuously suffered from issues with supply and an incompetent leadership that has only recently fallen under criticism by those in the government. The army itself is divided into two major branches: the General Army which consists mainly of conscripted troops, and the Royal Guards, which are made up of highly trained and loyal Carlist soldiers. The General Army is made up of a standing army of 180,000 personnel both off and on duty, all of which come from a large variety of backgrounds, and 55,000 militiamen who largely backed Carlos during the Reign of Chaos. The Royal Guard meanwhile is 15,000 strong, highly trained, and fanatically loyal to the Spanish king. They unlike their more mundane counterparts in the General Army are very well equipped and are seen by many as the best of Spain. Overall Spanish forces consist mainly of infantry, with cavalry and artillery units serving a mostly supportive role.
Navy: 6/10 - The Spanish Navy has in a way fared both well and poorly in recent years, with the entirety of Spanish naval forces totaling to a measly 26 ships in 1833, 7 of which are stationed in the Spanish West Indies. These vessels however are considered of fine craft, many of which being of relatively modern technology following purchases from former Spanish colonies. However any efforts by Spain to utilize this has been nearly nonexistent, with most funds from the Spanish government focusing on the nation's might on land rather than on the sea. The navy of Spain lacks the skilled leadership and finances needed to pursue any endeavors beyond limited protection of trade and the occasional skirmish against independent Caribbean nations with their small marine force of 2,000 men.

List of Current Spanish Vessels

Frigates (11 Total): El Fernando VII, Santa Ana, Valencia, La Antorcha Blanca, Aragón, El Semblante, Gran Princessa, San José, El Serpiente Escarlata, Murcia, San Felipe

Steam Ships (7 Total): Castilla, León, La Fortaleza, El Carlista, San Sebastián, Plutón, Santa Fortuna

Sloops (5 Total): El Sable, Heroísmo, Tridente, Victorioso, La Determinación

Ships of the Line (3 Total): San Leandro, Carlos V, Hispania

Other Info
Economic Strength: 12/20

Where other European states have seen a massive wave of industrialization and growth, Spain has time and time again lagged behind economically. Though industrialization efforts have begun to take place in major cities such as Madrid or Barcelona the country remains widely rural in many places, with peasants tending to focus mainly on farming and fishing. Worsening this issue is the fact that Spain lacks much of the necessary connections either on land or overseas to neighboring states, which has limited potential growth. Trade to and from Spain was at one point in history immensely profitable, but as time passed and interests moved elsewhere in the world, this faded. The slow decline of the Spanish colonial empire has exasperated this issue even further, as the widescale revolutions across what was once New Spain, and later Florida led to lucrative resources ceasing to reach the homeland. Now only the Spanish West Indies remain, their contribution to Spain's current wealth notable but far from what once was. However, change is coming soon, as since much of the former feudal control over Spanish lands has been stripped away capitalist businesses have begun to take their place. Industrialization, when embraced, has brought forward great results in the nation. Though the economic situation in Spain is currently less than desirable, the future still holds promise.

Development: 14.5/20

Perhaps one of the few saving graces of the current Spanish regime among the population of the country is its efforts on rebuilding and expanding infrastructure. Following the period of unrest that eventually ended with the official succession of a new monarch, many major ports, harbors, roads, and even railways had been partially destroyed. However, this damage would soon be reversed through reconstruction efforts, and using newly acquired funds from the Spanish High Council many local governments even were able to expand infrastructure beyond what was once before. There is much yet to be desired, with railways not fully implemented and many rural areas of the country having only access to dirt roads and paths, but this is quickly improving.

Public Order: 6/20

Following the struggle for power by multiple factions of the ruling class of Spain and the eventual victory of the Carlists, the general population of the country has grown to be deeply bitter, to say the very least. Though most opponents of King Carlos were removed from power, popular support of their movements continued, and with new problems arising from the monarch's absolute rule, soon began to grow. It is not uncommon for one to encounter a Bourbonist, a Spanish Bonapartist, and other non-Carlist royalists among the people of France, much to the dismay of any supporters of the current dynasty. Not only that, but following increasing frustrations with the Spanish monarchy as a whole, revolutionary republican, separatist, and similar movements have grown greatly in prominence, inspired by the French Revolution of recent history. Overall, the people of Spain are far from supportive of the current government, and public unrest, though slowly improving from the previous four years of chaos, is still widespread.

Goals: Secure and expand control in the Caribbean, establish colonies in Africa, rapidly industrialize, replace monarchist government (My focus is not exactly on preserving the power of the Carlists but rather exploring a Spanish Revolution and what would follow).

History:

Fate had not been kind to Spain in the new century. Once a great power that none in the world could question, the kingdom had slowly entered a state of decline. When or where this began is a matter of controversial discussion. Some scholars have speculated that the effect of this truly came with the brutal invasion by Napoleon to the north, others have claimed that it occurred naturally starting from the early 18th century, while those more pessimistic point to the Spanish defeat in the Philippines. Whatever the case truly be, it was clear following the end of the Napoleonic Wars that the Kingdom was damaged in a way never before thought to be possible. Within only a few centuries Spain had devolved from the home of extravagant nobility and royalty wealthier beyond one's wildest fantasies to a new backwater among Western Europe, lacking both the industrial power of Britain and the militaristic infamy of France or Prussia. With the temporary overthrow of the rightful Spanish ruler and the establishment of a Bonapartist puppet Spain's colonies in the New World found ample opportunity to separate themselves with their masters over the Atlantic, which they quickly pursued. States from across New Spain declared their independence, from the Argentine Confederation to Florida. When the Spanish line of the Bourbon Dynasty was restored the country that remained had lost much of its former glory. Many believed that Spain would at last recover when Ferdinand VII returned to power, but this was not to be.

Ferdinand VII's health had proven to be unsteady at best in the past, and this would come once again to strike the newly restored monarch. The King soon fell into poor health, and despite the best efforts of the physicians who attempted to heal him, entered into a coma in 1824. As he was unable to rule many local lords and other members of the nobility soon took advantage of the situation, and seized greater control of their estates, taking every opportunity to further their own power. Ferdinand's closest family attempted to organize a temporary government with the King's brother Carlos at its head to combat these efforts, but this failed. Finally, after two years of entering an unresponsive state the Spanish King passed away, and a new conflict would soon arise. Tensions between different factions in the country had grown greater and greater as time moved on, and following the death of the King conflicts over the crown's successor would grow volatile. Various factions soon arose claiming that they were the rightful heir of the Spanish throne. The two most notable of these factions were the Carlists and the Bourbonists, who dominated this struggle for power. The Bourbonists supported the official succession of the young Isabel II (Born in 1823 and of Ferdinand's third wife Maria Josepha Amalia of Saxony rather than in 1830 by Ferdinand's fourth wife) as Queen of Spain, with a regency set in place until she was of age, while the Carlists claimed that Isabel's claim to the throne was illegitimate due the nature of Spain's Salic succession laws, and wished to establish the King's brother Carlos as the next monarch. However, the Carlists and Bourbonists were far from the only factions claiming legitimacy in Spain, as some wished for the leaders of major noble families to become the new monarch, while others wished for the restoration of those with much more dubious claims such as those of the Houses Bonaparte and Von Hapsburg.

With each faction vying to gain power in Spain no agreement over who would officially become the next ruler could be reached, and as tensions grew violence in the streets of Madrid became a common occurrence. This politically inspired violence spread rapidly across the Kingdom of Spain, as militias and similar groups began to arm themselves and clash bloodily. This situation would quickly devolve into what would eventually become known as the "Reign of Chaos", where the official government of Spain held little power and civil conflict was common. Though never considered an outright civil war the Reign of Chaos often was treated as such throughout the four years that it lasted until it finally ended with the assassination of a young Isabel II on November 19th, 1830 and the subsequent succession of Carlos V as King of Spain. Resistance to this was powerful in certain areas of the country, but with a reorganization of the remaining Spanish military such resistance was soon suppressed. The Carlists had last achieved their goal, but if this was to last was yet to be seen.

Carlos V of Spain was able to consolidate his control over the kingdom with a brutal efficiency that few would have expected. Following his incompetent handling of the crisis soon after the death of his brother, many believed that the new King of Spain would lose his power as quickly he had gained it. But despite all expectations Carlos was able to regain full control of Spain extremely quickly. Many families among the Spanish nobility had revealed themselves to be disloyal to the current monarch, either actively supporting Carlo's opponents during the Reign of Chaos or openly claiming that they themselves had the right to rule. These families were essentially purged from the Spanish government, revoked of their titles and at times even imprisoned and executed under charges of treason. To ensure that such nobles would never again step out of line and attempt to seize control for themselves, the autonomy and power of feudal lords in the country was greatly weakened. Carlos then proceeded to grant himself complete authority over matters of government, bringing a return of absolutism. But following protests among many by this he soon realized that it was necessary to grant some concessions. His solution to this was at first unclear, but allegedly after many days of reflection led to the official establishment of the Spanish High Council, which would act as a group of governors and advisors. Among this new council Carlos selected his closest allies among the nobility and clergy, promising to grant them power there in exchange for a smooth transition to more centralized control, as well as a sizeable number of "people's representatives", who were to be democratically elected every six years among the general population of Spain as a sign of public support. These changes passed without much opposition, and with a temporary return of stability reconstruction efforts began and were continued until 1833. The current system set in place in Spain is by no means popular, with many in the country opposed to its absolute monarchy and extreme centralism. However there is still hope left for the Carlists in power. What will occur in the future is yet to be seen, but the people of Spain are prepared for what must be done.

429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.
Last edited by Zedeshia on Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:00 pm, edited 2 times in total.
What happens when one combines the Baltic States, interstellar technology, vast amounts of wealth, and moderate Social Democratic policies?
Well besides an absolute mess, Zedeshia!


Factbooks | Region | Overview
In Prosperity, We Stand United
We do not use NationStates Stats.
This nation in no way reflects my actual political views.

User avatar
The Industrial States of Columbia
Senator
 
Posts: 4109
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Mother Knows Best State

Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:19 pm

Zedeshia wrote:Edited application for Spain:

Generic Info
Nation Name: Kingdom of Spain
Symbols: National Anthem of Spain: Marcha Real, Official Flag of the Kingdom of Spain, Cross of Burgundy
Location: 4
Population: 12,345,000
Capital City: Madrid
Civilization Status: Civilized

Government Info
Government Type: Semi-Constitutional Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: Following a period of immense unrest and instability, it proved important for the rulers of Spain to regain control following four years of power struggles for the Spanish Throne. Soon after his ascension as King of Spain, the ruling monarch Carlos de Borbón declared a state of national emergency, claiming that it was necessary for order to be restored in the country. The structure of the kingdom was radically changed, shifting power from autonomous feudal lords to an absolute monarch. Attempting to guarantee that the power of himself and his closest allies among the Spanish nobility and clergy would be secured, the King purged the nation's bureaucracy of any opposition, and then granted friendly noble families guaranteed membership as part of the Spanish High Council. The Spanish High Council (Consejo Superior de España) is the second most powerful body within the Spanish government, only surpassed by the ruling monarch. The Council is made up of 150 seats, of which 70 are members of the nobility, 30 are high-ranking members of the Catholic Church in Spain, and 50 are elected "people's representatives". The High Council functions simultaneously as a group of advisors for the King, who holds the ability to make unquestionable declarations, as well as the main force organizing matters that are viewed as unimportant at the time. The concentration of power within the Spanish government has shifted greatly, as the autonomy of Spanish nobles has overall been drastically lessened, with most of their power now being held within the High Council and dominionship over their territories mainly ceremonial, the clergy remaining prominent in Spanish society but claiming to be under represented in the High Council, and for the first time a limited idea of democracy being introduced on a greater scale.
Ideology: Carlism, Monarchism, Conservativism, Spanish Nationalism
Leader: King Carlos María Isidro Benito de Borbón
Relations Following the "Reign of Chaos" Spain slowly entered into a diplomatically isolated and self-recovering state, yet still holds complicated relations with many of their neighbors. To the north there is the Kingdom of France, which following the rise of Carlos to power relations have grown somewhat strained. The Bourbons in France did not show any support to the Carlists during the four years of conflict that raged through the country, instead backing the right of Isabella II to become the Queen of Spain in due time. Though never directly intervening, Bourbonist militias were often supplied by the French to the north, causing the Carlist government to view the French Kingdom with much suspicion. The general population of France and Spain however are generally on good terms, with friendly trade often passing over the Pyrenees. Meanwhile over the Atlantic there lies the many states that gained their independence from Spain in the Americas, in which relations range from somewhat cordial to distant. With exception to the Free State of Spanish Florida and the United Mexican States, Spain did not officially recognize the sovereignty of the independent nations in the New World until very recently, and still holds claims over some lands in the region. This naturally has caused tensions between the kingdom and the newly formed governments of such states.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The Spanish population in recent history has proven itself to be highly divided and dissatisfied with the current system set in place in the kingdom. Spain always has been and still is a place of immense diversity, with a wide array of different cultures and ethnic groups within its borders, from the Basques to natives of the Spanish West Indies. However, as political tensions rise and fall and the new Carlist monarchy lasts on there has been an alarming increase of conflict between different groups in the Kingdom.
Religion: Spain is largely Christian and Catholic, with Roman Catholicism being recognized as the official religion of the state. However, there are some notable Protestant and Jewish minorities that reside in the Kingdom.
Main/Accepted Cultures: Castilian Spanish, Aragonese Spanish
Other Cultures: Galician, Basque, Catalan,

Military Info
Army: 6.5/10 - The Spanish Army, like much of the nation's recent history, has entered a state of decline overall. Though still competent and of reasonable size, fielding approximately 250,000 men in total, the army has continuously suffered from issues with supply and an incompetent leadership that has only recently fallen under criticism by those in the government. The army itself is divided into two major branches: the General Army which consists mainly of conscripted troops, and the Royal Guards, which are made up of highly trained and loyal Carlist soldiers. The General Army is made up of a standing army of 180,000 personnel both off and on duty, all of which come from a large variety of backgrounds, and 55,000 militiamen who largely backed Carlos during the Reign of Chaos. The Royal Guard meanwhile is 15,000 strong, highly trained, and fanatically loyal to the Spanish king. They unlike their more mundane counterparts in the General Army are very well equipped and are seen by many as the best of Spain. Overall Spanish forces consist mainly of infantry, with cavalry and artillery units serving a mostly supportive role.
Navy: 6/10 - The Spanish Navy has in a way fared both well and poorly in recent years, with the entirety of Spanish naval forces totaling to a measly 26 ships in 1833, 7 of which are stationed in the Spanish West Indies. These vessels however are considered of fine craft, many of which being of relatively modern technology following purchases from former Spanish colonies. However any efforts by Spain to utilize this has been nearly nonexistent, with most funds from the Spanish government focusing on the nation's might on land rather than on the sea. The navy of Spain lacks the skilled leadership and finances needed to pursue any endeavors beyond limited protection of trade and the occasional skirmish against independent Caribbean nations with their small marine force of 2,000 men.

List of Current Spanish Vessels

Frigates (9 Total): El Fernando VII, Santa Ana, Valencia, La Antorcha Blanca, Aragón, El Semblante, Gran Princessa, San José, San Felipe

Steam Ships (7 Total): Castilla, León, La Fortaleza, El Carlista, San Sebastián, Plutón, Santa Fortuna

Schooners (3 Total): Victorioso, El Heroísmo, Murcia

Ships of the Line (7 Total): San Leandro, Carlos V, Tridente, El Serpiente Escarlata, El Sable, La Determinación, Hispania

Other Info
Economic Strength: 12/20

Where other European states have seen a massive wave of industrialization and growth, Spain has time and time again lagged behind economically. Though industrialization efforts have begun to take place in major cities such as Madrid or Barcelona the country remains widely rural in many places, with peasants tending to focus mainly on farming and fishing. Worsening this issue is the fact that Spain lacks much of the necessary connections either on land or overseas to neighboring states, which has limited potential growth. Trade to and from Spain was at one point in history immensely profitable, but as time passed and interests moved elsewhere in the world, this faded. The slow decline of the Spanish colonial empire has exasperated this issue even further, as the widescale revolutions across what was once New Spain, and later Florida led to lucrative resources ceasing to reach the homeland. Now only the Spanish West Indies remain, their contribution to Spain's current wealth notable but far from what once was. However, change is coming soon, as since much of the former feudal control over Spanish lands has been stripped away capitalist businesses have begun to take their place. Industrialization, when embraced, has brought forward great results in the nation. Though the economic situation in Spain is currently less than desirable, the future still holds promise.

Development: 14.5/20

Perhaps one of the few saving graces of the current Spanish regime among the population of the country is its efforts on rebuilding and expanding infrastructure. Following the period of unrest that eventually ended with the official succession of a new monarch, many major ports, harbors, roads, and even railways had been partially destroyed. However, this damage would soon be reversed through reconstruction efforts, and using newly acquired funds from the Spanish High Council many local governments even were able to expand infrastructure beyond what was once before. There is much yet to be desired, with railways not fully implemented and many rural areas of the country having only access to dirt roads and paths, but this is quickly improving.

Public Order: 6/20

Following the struggle for power by multiple factions of the ruling class of Spain and the eventual victory of the Carlists, the general population of the country has grown to be deeply bitter, to say the very least. Though most opponents of King Carlos were removed from power, popular support of their movements continued, and with new problems arising from the monarch's absolute rule, soon began to grow. It is not uncommon for one to encounter a Bourbonist, a Spanish Bonapartist, and other non-Carlist royalists among the people of France, much to the dismay of any supporters of the current dynasty. Not only that, but following increasing frustrations with the Spanish monarchy as a whole, revolutionary republican, separatist, and similar movements have grown greatly in prominence, inspired by the French Revolution of recent history. Overall, the people of Spain are far from supportive of the current government, and public unrest, though slowly improving from the previous four years of chaos, is still widespread.

Goals: Secure and expand control in the Caribbean, establish colonies in Africa, rapidly industrialize, replace monarchist government (My focus is not exactly on preserving the power of the Carlists but rather exploring a Spanish Revolution and what would follow).

History:

Fate had not been kind to Spain in the new century. Once a great power that none in the world could question, the kingdom had slowly entered a state of decline. When or where this began is a matter of controversial discussion. Some scholars have speculated that the effect of this truly came with the brutal invasion by Napoleon to the north, others have claimed that it occurred naturally starting from the early 18th century, while those more pessimistic point to the Spanish defeat in the Philippines. Whatever the case truly be, it was clear following the end of the Napoleonic Wars that the Kingdom was damaged in a way never before thought to be possible. Within only a few centuries Spain had devolved from the home of extravagant nobility and royalty wealthier beyond one's wildest fantasies to a new backwater among Western Europe, lacking both the industrial power of Britain and the militaristic infamy of France or Prussia. With the temporary overthrow of the rightful Spanish ruler and the establishment of a Bonapartist puppet Spain's colonies in the New World found ample opportunity to separate themselves with their masters over the Atlantic, which they quickly pursued. States from across New Spain declared their independence, from the Argentine Confederation to Florida. When the Spanish line of the Bourbon Dynasty was restored the country that remained had lost much of its former glory. Many believed that Spain would at last recover when Ferdinand VII returned to power, but this was not to be.

Ferdinand VII's health had proven to be unsteady at best in the past, and this would come once again to strike the newly restored monarch. The King soon fell into poor health, and despite the best efforts of the physicians who attempted to heal him, entered into a coma in 1824. As he was unable to rule many local lords and other members of the nobility soon took advantage of the situation, and seized greater control of their estates, taking every opportunity to further their own power. Ferdinand's closest family attempted to organize a temporary government with the King's brother Carlos at its head to combat these efforts, but this failed. Finally, after two years of entering an unresponsive state the Spanish King passed away, and a new conflict would soon arise. Tensions between different factions in the country had grown greater and greater as time moved on, and following the death of the King conflicts over the crown's successor would grow volatile. Various factions soon arose claiming that they were the rightful heir of the Spanish throne. The two most notable of these factions were the Carlists and the Bourbonists, who dominated this struggle for power. The Bourbonists supported the official succession of the young Isabel II (Born in 1823 and of Ferdinand's third wife Maria Josepha Amalia of Saxony rather than in 1830 by Ferdinand's fourth wife) as Queen of Spain, with a regency set in place until she was of age, while the Carlists claimed that Isabel's claim to the throne was illegitimate due the nature of Spain's Salic succession laws, and wished to establish the King's brother Carlos as the next monarch. However, the Carlists and Bourbonists were far from the only factions claiming legitimacy in Spain, as some wished for the leaders of major noble families to become the new monarch, while others wished for the restoration of those with much more dubious claims such as those of the Houses Bonaparte and Von Hapsburg.

With each faction vying to gain power in Spain no agreement over who would officially become the next ruler could be reached, and as tensions grew violence in the streets of Madrid became a common occurrence. This politically inspired violence spread rapidly across the Kingdom of Spain, as militias and similar groups began to arm themselves and clash bloodily. This situation would quickly devolve into what would eventually become known as the "Reign of Chaos", where the official government of Spain held little power and civil conflict was common. Though never considered an outright civil war the Reign of Chaos often was treated as such throughout the four years that it lasted until it finally ended with the assassination of a young Isabel II on November 19th, 1830 and the subsequent succession of Carlos V as King of Spain. Resistance to this was powerful in certain areas of the country, but with a reorganization of the remaining Spanish military such resistance was soon suppressed. The Carlists had last achieved their goal, but if this was to last was yet to be seen.

Carlos V of Spain was able to consolidate his control over the kingdom with a brutal efficiency that few would have expected. Following his incompetent handling of the crisis soon after the death of his brother, many believed that the new King of Spain would lose his power as quickly he had gained it. But despite all expectations Carlos was able to regain full control of Spain extremely quickly. Many families among the Spanish nobility had revealed themselves to be disloyal to the current monarch, either actively supporting Carlo's opponents during the Reign of Chaos or openly claiming that they themselves had the right to rule. These families were essentially purged from the Spanish government, revoked of their titles and at times even imprisoned and executed under charges of treason. To ensure that such nobles would never again step out of line and attempt to seize control for themselves, the autonomy and power of feudal lords in the country was greatly weakened. Carlos then proceeded to grant himself complete authority over matters of government, bringing a return of absolutism. But following protests among many by this he soon realized that it was necessary to grant some concessions. His solution to this was at first unclear, but allegedly after many days of reflection led to the official establishment of the Spanish High Council, which would act as a group of governors and advisors. Among this new council Carlos selected his closest allies among the nobility and clergy, promising to grant them power there in exchange for a smooth transition to more centralized control, as well as a sizeable number of "people's representatives", who were to be democratically elected every six years among the general population of Spain as a sign of public support. These changes passed without much opposition, and with a temporary return of stability reconstruction efforts began and were continued until 1833. The current system set in place in Spain is by no means popular, with many in the country opposed to its absolute monarchy and extreme centralism. However there is still hope left for the Carlists in power. What will occur in the future is yet to be seen, but the people of Spain are prepared for what must be done.

429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.


Looking glorious. One more thing I will note on the navy, if you want to maintain the quality edge even with the size of the navy, I would strongly recommend switching over your ships of the line mostly to frigates and sloops. Historically, Spain did not build any further Ships of the Line till the 50s, and frigates probably would serve your cause better than the money pits that are Ships of the Line (You have 700-800 crew for a good SoTL, compared to about 150 for a decent frigate that will serve your cause better.) Sloops are even better if you want a small, professional navy that isn't hitting the budget books as hard.

I am happily accepting your app with the assumption that this will be addressed.
Cobalt Network Signups-|-Cobalt Network Main Page
A Fan of Type II alternate history
-Dom Pedro II
-Queen Elizabeth I
-Our Current Pope
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Joan of Arc
-Giovanni Belzoni
-Nikola Tesla
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.

User avatar
Krugmar
Minister
 
Posts: 2248
Founded: May 06, 2012
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Krugmar » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:04 pm

Tales of Two Horizons OP wrote:Also, poll up for you guys. Feel free to say why you voted for what.


1800-1810, largely because of the Napoleonic War, so 1810-1820 would have been the second choice.

I will try to get a post up for Qian on Saturday.
Liec made me tell you to consider Kylaris

User avatar
The Industrial States of Columbia
Senator
 
Posts: 4109
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Mother Knows Best State

Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:53 pm

Krugmar wrote:
Tales of Two Horizons OP wrote:Also, poll up for you guys. Feel free to say why you voted for what.


1800-1810, largely because of the Napoleonic War, so 1810-1820 would have been the second choice.

I will try to get a post up for Qian on Saturday.


v noice
Cobalt Network Signups-|-Cobalt Network Main Page
A Fan of Type II alternate history
-Dom Pedro II
-Queen Elizabeth I
-Our Current Pope
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Joan of Arc
-Giovanni Belzoni
-Nikola Tesla
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.

User avatar
Senkaku
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26711
Founded: Sep 01, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:57 pm

Now there's a name I've not heard in a long, long time...

Might get an app for something up in a few days. ;)
Last edited by Senkaku on Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Biden-Santos Thought cadre

User avatar
Da Klan
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1139
Founded: Feb 08, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Da Klan » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:59 pm

Senkaku wrote:Now there's a name I've not heard in a long, long time...

Might get an app for something up in a few days. ;)

Hell yeah another player in the Americas.

User avatar
The Industrial States of Columbia
Senator
 
Posts: 4109
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Mother Knows Best State

Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:00 pm

Da Klan wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Now there's a name I've not heard in a long, long time...

Might get an app for something up in a few days. ;)

Hell yeah another player in the Americas.


4 now methinks, 5 if you count my schemes
Cobalt Network Signups-|-Cobalt Network Main Page
A Fan of Type II alternate history
-Dom Pedro II
-Queen Elizabeth I
-Our Current Pope
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Joan of Arc
-Giovanni Belzoni
-Nikola Tesla
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.

User avatar
The Traansval
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9300
Founded: Jun 26, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby The Traansval » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:08 pm

Generic Info
Nation Name: Royaume de France (Kingdom of France)
Symbols: French Tricolor is the official flag. For all state business, the Coat of Arms of Louis-Phillipe is used.
Location: 2
Population: 33,567,021 Citizens across Metropolitan France and her Colonies.
Capital City: Paris
Civilization Status: Great Power

Government Info
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: The French government is dictated by the Charter of 1830, a constitution adopted by Louis-Philippe after his ascension following the 1830 Revolution. The Charter declared that the king was Head of State and chief executive: the King appoints public officials, issues the ordinances and regulations necessary "for the execution of the laws of France", commands the army and navy, declares war, and makes "treaties of peace, alliance, and commerce". In addition, the King has great influence over the legislative process, since he possesses the sole right to present draft laws to Parliament, and the right to grant or withhold assent to laws passed by the Parliament. The King summons and prorogues Parliament and has the right to dissolve the Chamber of Deputies and call new elections. The King also appoints the members of the Chamber of Peers, although Hereditary Peerage was abolished. Finally, the King appoints judges and has the power to pardon those convicted. Technically, the leadership of the government rests with the King, however, the informal position of "Presidents of the Council of Ministers" serves as the French equivalent to the British First Secretary/Prime Minister, leading the government and setting policy. The President is always one of the King's ministers and is selected by the King.

The French Parliament was established with two houses, modeled on the British parliament. The Chamber of Deputies is popularly elected, with those 25 and over allowed to vote after paying a 200 Franc poll tax, and those 30 and over allowed to run after paying a 500 Franc poll tax; these poll taxes were reduced from the previously high ones under the Bourbon restoration, and mostly serve to limit the voting population to the middle class who can afford the tax. The upper house, the Chamber of Peers, is composed of Life Peers appointed by the King. Proposed laws must be passed by both houses of Parliament in order to be enacted into law, once it receives Royal assent. The President of the Chamber of Deputies is elected by the Deputies, while the Chamber of Peers is overseen by the Royally appointed Chancellor of France.

Ideology: Liberal-Conservativism. Due to the poll taxes limiting suffrage and ability to run for office to the bourgeoisie and the upper class, Parliament is mostly dominated by two Orleanist parties; the Party of Movement and the Party of Resistance, serving as the center-left and center-right respectively, alongside the fringe Republican opposition and Legitmatist Bourbon supporters. Both the Movement and Resistance parties broadly support a policy of Liberal economics but tend to disagree on questions of suffrage, with the more Liberal Movement party wanting to increase Democratic means while the Resistance more so supports keeping power within the upper class. Both, however, support the Monarchy and the Industrial bourgeoisie and tend to support progressive policies towards industrialization and centralization.

Leader/s: Roi des Français, King of the French, Louis Philippe d'Orléans, and President of the Council of Ministers Adolphe Thiers.

Relations:

Britain - France maintains an awkward relationship with the UK. It’s not quite the hostility of old, where wars between the two nations were expected. This, however, is not to say that the British are friends of the French either. This relationship has seen worse days, that all in mind. Some in France would go further and say that the two’s best days were ahead. This all said the opposite could very well be true. It was of the British tendency to not be so keen on the expansionism of other powers, and especially when it came to conflicting interests. Sometimes not even conflicting interests. As such, it was expected that Britain could be an obstacle for French Foreign Policy in India and the Americas.

Central and Eastern Europe - There are a good many things to say about the people of Europe, but let’s keep this brief. France didn’t want a unified Germany, and a strong Russia could be a threat to the French position of dominant land power on the continent. The Holy Empire exemplified This worrying trend, however, that alliance practice was more to suppress liberal inclinations in those nations. At least France didn’t have to worry about Liberal fervor spreading from abroad. Oh no, it just had to worry about it exploding by itself at home.

Egypt and the Ottomans - Long gone are the days of the Franco-Ottoman alliance. Napoleon made sure of that. As such, the French find themselves supporting the Egyptians in their standoff with the Ottomans. Russian intervention in their conflict prompted Anglo-French action and mediation on behalf of the Egyptians. As things stand now, it would be accurate to say Egypt had a supporter out of France. Beyond that, there was something France wanted. It was the possibility of building a canal that would go from the Mediterranean into the Red Sea. Such a construction would be a boon for French trade and influence. As such, France is in the midst of gradually increasing its local influence.

The Americas - France doesn’t have the most to say about the Americas, it’s prime in the region gone. But Paris is looking to change that. The Caribbean is an area of interest for France, and the weakness of Spain screams opportunity for French Policy Makers. Beyond that, France enjoys trade with a variety of nations in the region. From Fusang to the Anglo settler colonies, to the nations of Latin America. To that’s the extent, it will protect its trade. One final note is that Mexico seems to be in continual debt to France, to Paris’s displeasure.

Asia - France has generally amicable relationships with the States of Asia. The competition that might drive conflict isn’t really there. However as the world becomes more connected, and trade deepens, the potential for friends in Asia piques the interest of some Policymakers.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Born out of the convergence of the Gauls, Romans, and Germanic Franks, the French people are renowned for their scholarship, their cooking, and their love making. The birthplace of Republicanism, French people are divided geographically between the more urbanized and industrial north and the agricultural and rural south, and this divide colors their politics as the South more readily supports the Monarchy while the North, with its largely Bourgeoisie population, is more Liberal, even Republican in Paris.
Religion: France is majority Catholic with minority religions of Protestants, known as Hugeonauts, and Jews.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): French
Other Cultures: Basque, Corsican, Alsatian, Algerian, etc.

Military Info
Army: Armée Royale Française, or Royal Army of France, is the professional army of the French monarchy. Numbering 336,000 enlisted and commissioned soldiers serving in the numbered Regiments of the army. These Regiments can then be organized under Divisions who form Corps, the key units of French Armies. These regiments have three battalions; two of Line infantry, one of Light infantry. Additionally, there are multiple cavalry regiments, which are smaller than their infantry counterparts and usually organized in to brigades, and special units such as the Foreign Legion, a unit of foreign soldiers made by consolidating the foreign regiments of the Bourbon monarchy. Soldiers are equipped with the Charlesville Musket, a smoothbore flintlock typical of the age, and dress in the Blue and Red uniforms made famous by the Napoleon armies with alterations to better fit the new monarchy.

The quality of the French army is much diminished from its Napoleonic heights; after the Bourbon restoration, Napoleonic officers were purged and aristocratic officers appointed in droves. Many enlisted and NCO personnel who had served under Napoleon refused to re-enlist, and many more were forcibly disbanded in the effort of De-Napoleonizing the army in order to protect the monarchy from a coup. Louis-Philippe has made amends with many former Bonapartist officers and has seen a small resurgence in the army, although it is still rife with aristocratic influence and corruption. However, the quality of the equipment and drill of the French army still makes it one of Europe's foremost fighting forces. (Quality - 7)

In addition to the Royal Army, France has the Garde Nationale, a force of mostly well off citizens who volunteered for a type of reserve duty within the Kingdom. Numbering close to 300,000 men organized similarly to the Army; it is almost entirely an infantry formation. A reserve formation that exists to provide for the security of metropolitan France, it exists as an extension of the power of the middle class; wealthy citizens who often clash with the landed and titled aristocracy.

Navy: Quality: 7

La Royale, the French Navy, is an old institution and one that has seen better days. With 22 Ships of the Line, 36 Frigates, 24 Steamships, and many assorted smaller ships; along with over 40,000 enlisted and commissioned persons, the French navy might have lost the ability to butt heads with the British on the seas, but it can still hold it's own. The Navy has made a recovery of sorts from the Napoleonic Wars and is prepared to safeguard French expansion abroad. This is notable in the French Navy’s effective assistance during the French Invasion of Algeria.

Other Info
Economic Strength: 15 - France is a major industrial and agricultural producer and one of Europe's great colonial powers. Ranging from the cloth mills and coal mines of the north to the vineyards and orchards of the south, France is not only a great producer but a great exporter and mercantile nation, doing trade as far west as the Americas and as far east as the Orient.
Development: 17 - The Metropol is a very urbanized and built-up area. With a strong infrastructure of roads, ports, and cities, France is one of Europe's most developed nations, rivaled only by Britain. The north in particular with its strong industrial base is largely built up, with Paris being one of Europes most modern cities.
Public Order: 6 - France has perhaps never been stable since Louis lost his head, but in the year of our lord 1836 France is as stable as it has ever been since the Empire. With the loss of major labor and republican uprisings in 1832 and 1834, the Republican and Radical opposition is mostly sidelined and kept quiet as the public debates now revolve around the fight between the Party of Movement and the Party of Resistance. If the King loses his popularity among the middle class, his main support base, it could turn the public against the monarchy.
Goals: To restore the glory of the Kingdom.

History: Old King Louis lost his head to the mob and up rose a Republic that sparked a continent-wide revolution. In the midst of Chaos, Napoleon rose up and established himself as Emperor of France and ruler of Europe. The grand coalition rose up and defeated him, restoring the Bourbon monarchy only to see Napoleon return briefly until he was defeated once more at Waterloo.

With the Bourbons restored once more, they ruled France with a careful hand until 1830, when they attempted to crack down on the civil liberties of the French press and middle class, leading the National Guard and popular organization to revolt. The Bourbons fled, and the Parliament proclaimed the Duke of Orleans, Louis-Philipe, as the new King of the Orleanist Monarchy of France. Louis-Philipe has based himself largely with the Liberal middle class of the north, although his politics are more centrist and often clash with actual liberal politicians. His popularity among the middle class and non-aristocrats (he is nicknamed "The Citizen-King) has kept him afloat, even in the face of multiple revolts including the 1832 Parisian revolt and others.

Under the rule of Louis-Philipe and his cabinet of ministers, France is currently under the eye of the storm, feeling a sense of calm floating above the underlayer of seething rebellion brewing, and growing resentment of the King by the liberal middle class, that is threating to boil over.
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.
Last edited by The Traansval on Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:21 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Zedeshia
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 173
Founded: Sep 25, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Zedeshia » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:24 pm

First post in the IC made. Its unfortunately much shorter than I originally would have preferred, but hopefully it will allow for a proper introduction for Spain into the wider RP.
Last edited by Zedeshia on Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
What happens when one combines the Baltic States, interstellar technology, vast amounts of wealth, and moderate Social Democratic policies?
Well besides an absolute mess, Zedeshia!


Factbooks | Region | Overview
In Prosperity, We Stand United
We do not use NationStates Stats.
This nation in no way reflects my actual political views.

User avatar
The Industrial States of Columbia
Senator
 
Posts: 4109
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Mother Knows Best State

Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:46 pm

Zedeshia wrote:First post in the IC made. Its unfortunately much shorter than I originally would have preferred, but hopefully it will allow for a proper introduction for Spain into the wider RP.


Noice
Cobalt Network Signups-|-Cobalt Network Main Page
A Fan of Type II alternate history
-Dom Pedro II
-Queen Elizabeth I
-Our Current Pope
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Joan of Arc
-Giovanni Belzoni
-Nikola Tesla
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.

User avatar
Senkaku
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26711
Founded: Sep 01, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:49 pm

Generic Info
Nation Name: Mexican Republic
Symbols: Same Mexican flag and whatnot as IRL, methinks
Location: 101
Population: Roughly 7M (reliable population data for this time is unsurprisingly difficult to find, to say the least)
Capital City: Mexico City
Civilization Status: Civilized? I'm not sure what this is supposed to be or mean, but I do feel my SJW senses tingling

Government Info
Government Type: Federal Presidential Republic (Revolutionary Military Dictatorship)
Brief Explanation of Government: Vicente Guerrero took power in an 1832 coup d'etat after leading a long-running rebellion around Acapulco, after the government of Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna fell in the wake of his defeat by the Meiguo rebellion. Guerrero was ostensibly appointed by Congress after marching into Mexico City, but in reality was just a military dictator, though he subsequently organized elections at the start of 1834 and seems to have won them legitimately (or as close to legitimately as one can when one is a revolutionary caudillo and military leader in a country with low levels of public order).

The government he now leads can be seen in many ways as a reconstitution of that which was created between 1810 and 1818 and between 1819 and 1831, under Father Hidalgo, Presidents Morelos and Victoria, and during Guerrero's previous tenure as president. It has revived a radical program of democratic republicanism and sweeping social reform, and increasingly has displayed anticlerical and nationalistic tendencies-- in short, it significantly parallels the Jacobin radicalism of the First French Republic. Mexico has a unicameral Congress whose members are directly elected from constituencies within their states, and a president who is elected (or supposed to be elected) by national popular vote for a five-year term, and who appoints judges to the Supreme Court. In practice, all institutions are subordinate to the president, or whoever else controls the loyalties of the army units in the capital at any given time.
Ideology: Over the years Guerrero has steadily become fairly Jacobin in his political beliefs, even aligning with some proto-socialist ideas from Europe, and remains staunchly supportive of the radical tendencies of Hidalgo and his ideological heirs towards the racial caste system of old New Spain and its stratified aristocracy and ecclesiastic authorities.
Leader/s: President Vicente Guerrero
Relations: Tension with Fusang, Spain, and France, extreme tension with Meiguo, mostly good relations with the American remnant states

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Pretty diverse bunch ranging from pretty much pure-blooded Iberians to the indigenous descendants of the Aztecs or the raiding tribes of the northern frontier to the descendants of African slaves to Chinese, British, French, Korean, Fusangese, South American, Nusantaran, Yankee, and other European, American, and Asian merchants (and, of course, literally every gradation in between)
Religion: Overwhelmingly Catholic, but there is ostensibly freedom of religion, and there have been some moves towards irreligion, atheism, or indigenous polytheistic traditions becoming more mainstream, especially now that President Guerrero and the liberals/radicals are back in power.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Spanish, various indigenous, other European and Asian
Other Cultures: various indigenous, Chinese (esp. North American)

Military Info
Army: I'm gonna say probably 75,000 permanent or semi-permanent troops, with more in militia units or reserves and paramilitary political organizations
Navy: A few sloops and frigates (a few of which probably have steam screws or paddle wheels), a larger collection of assorted brigs and schooners, mostly stationed on the Atlantic coast and mainly in Veracruz, with only a smaller squadron in the Pacific and mainly concentrated in Acapulco.

Other Info
Economic Strength: 9? It's not quite as in the shitter as it was IRL, but it's not doing well and could easily be pushed into a truly devastated condition
Development: Gonna go with 9, there's an okay amount in the core regions, but practically nothing in huge swathes of the outer ones
Public Order: I'll say... 8? The core regions are doing okay for now, but a huge chunk of the northern interior has literally zero state presence, as does some of the far southeast
Goals: Either retake Meiguo or reach some sort of acceptable accommodation with it and Fusang (probably at least reclaiming the Colorado Delta and Baja California), repair the Mexican economy and bring growth and prosperity to the country, establish good public order and stable government (first in the core states, but also in the northern and southern peripheries), continue the revolutionary democratic project and... perhaps even... export the revolution to the Caribbean colonies still laboring under the Spanish yoke?
History:

In September 1810, Father Hidalgo began the Mexican War of Independence with the cry of Dolores, amassing a huge peasant army which took the city of Guanajato by storm, massacred its defenders, and began marching on Mexico City, meeting the meager viceregal forces at Monte de las Cruces and defeating them with sheer numbers.

IRL, he subsequently retreated towards Guadalajara and defeat. ITTL, in addition to young Agustin de Iturbide accepting Hidalgo's offer of a generalship rather than sticking with the viceroyalty and helping lead the rebel forces at Monte de las Cruces, in the wake of the battle, Hidalgo heeds the advice of Ignacio Allende and marches on Mexico City.

Hidalgo takes Mexico City, though his army takes huge casualties and massacres peninsulares not unlike Guanajato. The city is sacked for two days and the situation is a complete bloodbath for both sides, but lots of viceregal forces successfully execute a fighting retreat and make it to Veracruz.

The capture of Mexico City by a huge peasant army basically sets the country on fire as the momentum spreads, Hidalgo declares independence and forms a Provisional Government backed by his huge mob/army while Allende makes some efforts to train and arm the soldiers, and the rebels send men up to the US to buy more weapons as the north also begins to see mass rebellion.

Jose Maria Morelos (with Vicente Guerrero as one of his main lieutenants) gets a huge groundswell of support down south as a result of the revolutionary wave, and takes Acapulco swiftly and with minimal bloodshed, at least compared to Hidalgo's capture of Mexico City, thanks to his tactical competency and more disciplined forces. Guerrero leads a successful campaign to the southeast and captures Oaxaca City and some areas to the east. Other RL revolutionary leaders (like Galeana, Matamoros, Victoria, Quintana Roo, Bravo, Rayon, and others) also acquit themselves well leading swelling forces to capture objectives all around the country.

By the end of 1812, despite fierce royalist resistance and many creole elites siding with royalist troops, Spanish forces hold little besides Veracruz and some Atlantic coastal regions, which are jammed with refugees thanks to the increasingly revolutionary social violence across the country. Hidalgo, Morelos, Guerrero, Iturbide, and other revolutionary leaders convene in Mexico City to begin formulating a constitution.

In 1813, Morelos, Guerrero, and other republicans, swaying Hidalgo away from the views of more conservative creole allies like Iturbide, spearhead the formulation of a revolutionary republican constitution not unlike that of the First French Republic. The caste system is formally abolished along with aristocratic titles, indigenous tribute payments, and slavery, while major haciendas and large areas of Church land are requisitioned by the state for redistribution to the people, and Spanish monopolies are abolished (with Hidalgo reviving his old plans to teach peasants how to farm crops like grapes and olives). The Mexican Republic is proclaimed, with a federal system creating states out of the old intendancies, but a reasonably strong central government (not unlike the RL US).

In response to the triumph of the radicals, Iturbide and other conservative erstwhile revolutionaries flee Mexico City for Veracruz, defecting back to the royalists and prompting a new phase in the war. The start of this new phase is clarified at the end of the year by the return of Ferdinand VII the Desired One to the throne of Spain upon the fall of Napoleon, and his dispatch of large Spanish armies to the New World to retake his dominions.

In spring 1814, Hidalgo is starting to get a little megalomaniacal/have his position as revolutionary leader go to his head, and decides to crush Iturbide and the royalists at Veracruz, departing Mexico City with a large army and then running headlong into a royalist attack on the road as they approach Orizaba. Despite vastly superior numbers, Hidalgo's own tactical ineptitude and the relative lack of training and high-quality weaponry among the revolutionary troops mean a surprise cavalry attack led by Iturbide turns into a total rout. Hidalgo is captured, taken to Veracruz, and executed, while the royalists launch extensive counterattacks that briefly bring them to the gates of Puebla before Victoria, Morelos, and other commanders are able to stabilize the situation (temporarily).

The arrival of reinforcements from Spain greatly strengthen the royalist army by that fall, while there are concerns in the north that Fusang could intervene in support of the Spanish, and broader worries that Britain's devastating reprisals against its rebellious North American colonies may be about to be repeated in Mexico. Royalist forces defeat the revolutionaries several times and are able to re-open the siege of Puebla, taking it in the start of 1815 and leaving the road to Mexico City open. The revolutionary leaders react with increasing radicalism, with a more moderate faction being purged and a number of peninsular aristocrats, high-ranking ecclesiastical officials, and suspected royalist spies being executed. This is subsequently referred to as the Mexican Reign of Terror, though most executions are conducted by firing squad rather than guillotine. Guerrero and some other radicals become more well-read and identifiably ideological around this time, reading some stuff from Revolutionary France about the Jacobins and Gracchus Babeuf, and probably also stuff about contemporaneous events Haiti and the South American revolutions. Planned elections in the states are cancelled, and a new emergency government is formed, the Supreme Executive Power. Facing an imminent royalist attack on the capital, the revolutionary government prepares for a siege, summoning armies from across the country to come help relieve it, and evacuates many civilians from Mexico City to Toluca.

The expected royalist assault comes, but the Spanish army is forced to lift its siege after being attacked by the relief forces and with constant guerrilla harassment of its supply lines. Over the next few months, it is harried most of the way back to Veracruz, and the revolutionary junta lays siege to the city, but is unable to cut off its supplies from the sea and lifts the siege. Additions to the constitution are added, most importantly universal manhood suffrage and progressive taxation. By this point, the economy is in deep trouble, since silver is Mexico's main commodity and silver production relies on Spanish mercury imports (which have obviously been blocked), and the war has cut off a great deal of trade (though some, especially Pacific trade with the Far East, continues). The government parallels an innovation from the French Revolution and issues a paper currency backed by the value of requisitioned Church lands and haciendas, which sort of works for a little but eventually collapses.

Spanish attempts to break the deadlock with landings in Tampico and the coast of Tabasco are driven off, as are attempts to march on Cordoba and through to Mexico City. Revolutionary forces also launch several more unsuccessful attempts to besiege Veracruz, but fail. While the stalemate continues, the government makes attempts to carry out land reform, especially in the Bajio, and hold elections at the start of 1817. Jose Maria Morelos becomes the first official president of the Mexican Republic, and several years into his tenure, the mutiny of Cadiz leads most of the creole royalists and conservatives helping defend Veracruz to throw in the towel. Iturbide welcomes Morelos into the city, the viceroy signs the Treaty of Veracruz, and Mexico gains her independence.

In 1818, however, Iturbide leads a conservative coup in which Morelos is killed, subsequently declaring himself Emperor Agustin I. This is too much even for some conservatives and prompts revolts all across the country, which swiftly drive Iturbide from power by 1819. New elections are held, with Guadalupe Victoria being elected president at the end of 1819 and serving his full term into 1824. During his tenure, Mexico takes out some large loans from French and other European bankers to pay for military equipment and the development of some economic infrastructure, but its economy continues to struggle as Spain continues to withhold mercury exports and Comanche, Apache, and Navajo raids damage the northern ranching economy. Under his tenure, Fusangese settlers are invited to some of Mexico's northern territories in the hopes that they could provide a buffer population against Indian raids (especially against Navajo and Yaqui attacks across Sonora and Sinaloa), but they mostly settle on the coast of Alta California and the hospitable tip of Baja California.

Following Guadalupe Victoria, Manuel Gomez Pedraza ran as a moderate candidate, as many elites feared Guerrero's radicalism. The election was extremely tight and each man declared himself the winner, but Guerrero launched a successful coup d'etat and took power by the end of 1824. By the end of 1825, however, conservative Vice-President Bustamante went into revolt, and then ousted Guerrero when he left Mexico City to fight. (A few other men also serve for weeks or months in here as interim presidents between elections, rebellions, coups, and counter-coups.) Guerrero returned to his power base in the south and continued fighting, while Bustamante also struggled to put down revolts in that hotbed of radicalism the Bajio, where people were very unhappy with the brakes being put on the revolutionary project. In 1827, after a string of setbacks, Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna launches a successful coup and topples Bustamante, offering Guerrero amnesty and the vice-presidency and offering concessions to various rebel factions running around in the Bajio. He attempts to thread the moderate needle to avoid conservative revolt or liberal/radical insurrection, though in practice is mostly just an absentee president uninterested in administration, and organizes (crooked) elections in 1828 which he handily wins.

At the end of 1831, Fusangese settlers in Meiguo launch a breakaway attempt, unhappy after the central government ended incentive programs in 1829 after becoming frustrated that the Fusangese were not settling where they were needed and yet were being exempted from many taxes. Santa Anna leads an expedition in 1832 to pacify the region, but is instead defeated and forced to sign a treaty which in theory only allows the Meiguo settlers to plead their case to the government in Mexico City but which in practice grants them de facto independence. Returning home in disgrace after being held prisoner, he is swiftly toppled and sent into exile by Guerrero, who seizes the day to re-instate the radical social program of Hidalgo and the original radical clique. Reasonably fair elections are held near the end of 1833, but by this point the conservative forces have been greatly weakened, and Guerrero wins with a fairly clear majority, mostly untainted by meddling or the threat of military force.

429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.
Biden-Santos Thought cadre

User avatar
The Industrial States of Columbia
Senator
 
Posts: 4109
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Mother Knows Best State

Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:36 am

Senkaku wrote:snip


Accepted
Cobalt Network Signups-|-Cobalt Network Main Page
A Fan of Type II alternate history
-Dom Pedro II
-Queen Elizabeth I
-Our Current Pope
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Joan of Arc
-Giovanni Belzoni
-Nikola Tesla
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.

User avatar
Greater Liverpool
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1701
Founded: Apr 13, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Greater Liverpool » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:01 am

I noticed that you need someone to play the Shu, I can do that if anyone cares to give me a quick round-up of what has happenedd
An orthodox convert who doesn't support Russia

Slava Ukraini

User avatar
The Industrial States of Columbia
Senator
 
Posts: 4109
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Mother Knows Best State

Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:55 am

Greater Liverpool wrote:I noticed that you need someone to play the Shu, I can do that if anyone cares to give me a quick round-up of what has happenedd


There is a rough history document below the Great Power listings, besides that, most of the drama has been in Europe. Min is working on a centralization process, Wu is trying to get an Islamic sphere going, Qian is preparing for intervention in the Zhou Civil War. Discord side Joseon has a meeting about to go down with Shogunate Japan, while the German Confederation is in a shouting match about the Zollverien, Russia is L O O M I N G over central asia, both Spain and Austria are starting to get some diplomatic schemes going.
Cobalt Network Signups-|-Cobalt Network Main Page
A Fan of Type II alternate history
-Dom Pedro II
-Queen Elizabeth I
-Our Current Pope
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Joan of Arc
-Giovanni Belzoni
-Nikola Tesla
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.

User avatar
Intermountain States
Minister
 
Posts: 2339
Founded: Oct 12, 2014
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Intermountain States » Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:31 pm

The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:I noticed that you need someone to play the Shu, I can do that if anyone cares to give me a quick round-up of what has happenedd


There is a rough history document below the Great Power listings, besides that, most of the drama has been in Europe. Min is working on a centralization process, Wu is trying to get an Islamic sphere going, Qian is preparing for intervention in the Zhou Civil War. Discord side Joseon has a meeting about to go down with Shogunate Japan, while the German Confederation is in a shouting match about the Zollverien, Russia is L O O M I N G over central asia, both Spain and Austria are starting to get some diplomatic schemes going.

To be honest, I don't know if I'm going to expect a meeting with the Shogun or an ambush by a bunch of samurais.
Last edited by Intermountain States on Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I find my grammatical mistakes after I finish posting
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm a third party voter. Trust me when I say this: Not even a lifetime supply of tacos could convince me to vote for either Hillary or Trump. I suspect I'm not the only third party voter who feels that way. I cost Hillary nothing. I cost Trump nothing. If I didn't vote for third party, I would have written in 'Batman'.

If you try to blame me, I will laugh in your face. I'm glad she lost. I got half my wish. :)
Search boxes are your friends

User avatar
The Industrial States of Columbia
Senator
 
Posts: 4109
Founded: Feb 28, 2014
Mother Knows Best State

Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:42 pm

Intermountain States wrote:
The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:
There is a rough history document below the Great Power listings, besides that, most of the drama has been in Europe. Min is working on a centralization process, Wu is trying to get an Islamic sphere going, Qian is preparing for intervention in the Zhou Civil War. Discord side Joseon has a meeting about to go down with Shogunate Japan, while the German Confederation is in a shouting match about the Zollverien, Russia is L O O M I N G over central asia, both Spain and Austria are starting to get some diplomatic schemes going.

To be honest, I don't know if I'm going to expect a meeting with the Shogun or an ambush by a bunch of samurais.


Maybe both? Dunno, time will tell

*In hindsight, it seems the latter
Last edited by The Industrial States of Columbia on Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
Cobalt Network Signups-|-Cobalt Network Main Page
A Fan of Type II alternate history
-Dom Pedro II
-Queen Elizabeth I
-Our Current Pope
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Joan of Arc
-Giovanni Belzoni
-Nikola Tesla
Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished.

User avatar
The Palmetto
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5216
Founded: Feb 05, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Palmetto » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:20 pm

The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:
Intermountain States wrote:To be honest, I don't know if I'm going to expect a meeting with the Shogun or an ambush by a bunch of samurais.


Maybe both? Dunno, time will tell

*In hindsight, it seems the latter


Looking at the discord, definitely the latter.
A rowdy redneck from South Carolina who tries to RP every now and again.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."

User avatar
Da Klan
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1139
Founded: Feb 08, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Da Klan » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:13 pm

The Palmetto wrote:
The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:
Maybe both? Dunno, time will tell

*In hindsight, it seems the latter


Looking at the discord, definitely the latter.


Can not wait to see samurai gunned down

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to Portal to the Multiverse

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Based Illinois, Cessarea

Advertisement

Remove ads