Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:43 am
The death of EPIC Chinese nationalism makes me cringe.
中国第一
中国第一
Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
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Tales of Two Horizons OP wrote:
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For everyone elses benefit, I have put up the great power descriptors above the roster, I will also be putting up the core population of the Chinese Great Powers in that area, if anyone needs population for a Chinese nation, let me know
-Columbia
Tracian Empire wrote:Tales of Two Horizons OP wrote:
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For everyone elses benefit, I have put up the great power descriptors above the roster, I will also be putting up the core population of the Chinese Great Powers in that area, if anyone needs population for a Chinese nation, let me know
-Columbia
If you could correct the Prussian propaganda in the Prussian section and say that Prussia competes with the Austrian Empire and not with the Kingdom of Austria that would be great
Tracian Empire wrote:Tales of Two Horizons OP wrote:
: P
For everyone elses benefit, I have put up the great power descriptors above the roster, I will also be putting up the core population of the Chinese Great Powers in that area, if anyone needs population for a Chinese nation, let me know
-Columbia
If you could correct the Prussian propaganda in the Prussian section and say that Prussia competes with the Austrian Empire and not with the Kingdom of Austria that would be great
Generic Info
Nation Name: Empire of the Great Qian
Symbols: rawr
Location: 72
Population: 48,000,000
Capital City: Beijing
Civilization Status: GP, baby
Government Info
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: In part a run-of-the-mill Confucian-style Chinese monarchy, but with some European characteristics diffused through Russia. Notably, that the Beijing Church has ingratiated itself into the political life of the country, so that the Patriarch (usually) has the ear of the Emperor.
Ideology: Conservative Orthodoxy, neoconfucianism, absolutism
Leader/s: Emperor Leontius, given name Biru Jiànshēn
Relations Qian's strongest ally and biggest trading partner is certainly Tsarist Russia, the 'big brother' from which Qian adopted the Orthodox Church. On-again, off-again relations with the Mughals, with whom Qian has both traded peacefully and skirmished over the Pamirs. Guarded neutrality towards Joseon after the status quo ante bellum conclusion to their 1817-1821 war. Historically, Qian has remained aloof of the affairs of the Chinese states, but has taken a more active role in the past half century, and may yet intervene in Zhou's civil war in order to establish its sphere of influence in the north. Commercial relationships ongoing with the Dutch and British.
Population Info
Brief Description of your people:
Religion: Qian has been a Christian state since the adoption of Eastern Orthodoxy by the Emperor Biru Taiji in 1652. At present, a little under half the population follows the Beijing Church, although the Qian continue to proselytize the faith, though less brutally than they did before. Most of the common people who follow Orthodoxy have incorporated some elements of traditional Chinese folk religion (such as ancestor reverance) into the new faith, a phenomenon which the emperors have indulged in the name of conversion. About a third of Qian subjects follow Tibetan Buddhism, especially in Outer Mongolia. Most of the remainder profess Sunni Islam, a faith with a far more turbulent and violent relationship to the Qian state. Persecution of Muslims has continued on and off for some time, with the Chang'an Massacre of 1743 capping one of the most egregious and brutal internal campaigns against them. The current emperor, Leontius, has scaled back the violence, but Islam is still not widely tolerated in the Empire.
hodox Main/Accepted Culture(s): Manchu, Han, Mongol
Other Cultures: Hui, Uyghur, Tibetan
Military Info
Army: The Army of Qian is among China's largest and most powerful, with 450,000 active troops. Though it has taken well over a century, and several defeats, for the banner-style traditional army to be reformed into a western-style war machine, it seems the empire has finally arrived in this regard. Qian troops are drilled relentlessly in modern tactics until they are capable of switching maneuvers on a dime. And though the Army's armaments are perhaps not the most cutting-edge to be found on Earth, they are certainly on par with much of Europe, thanks to the efforts of the Qian emperors to develop an organic arms industry, with Russian help. While issues of aristocratic patronage might still sometimes hamper the promotion of the most deserving officers, new practices in recruitment have clamped down on the problem to some degree. One relic of the past that the Army has found more useful to retain than discard is the use of Mongol cavalry, who now rain fire down on the enemy with carabines rather than bows before closing with the blade, shrieking all the while.
Of the regular army, the most elite troops of the empire are the Kheshig regiments, elite shock troops that have evolved from the old Imperial Guard. Although some Kheshig still guard the Emperor's person and family at all times, the corps has expanded to 50,000 men. These soldiers are taken from only the most exceptional candidates of the regular regiments, then drilled still further until they are deemed ready. The timely deployment of the Kheshig has turned the tide of many a battle and siege for the Qian emperors.
If necessary, the efficient Qian bureaucracy could theoretically squeeze out another nearly half-million peasant militia, but militia units are always poorly armed and have far inferior morale and leadership as compared to the regular army, so this would only be an action of the very last resort, if the empire faced an existential invasion.
In sum, the Army has evolved into a powerful, modern force. Its weapons are not the most advanced in the world, but its size, discipline and training regimes make Great Qian the supreme power in North China. 7.5/10.
Navy: 45,000 men, including 8,000 Marines. Qian is a land, not a naval power, so it has few maritime ambitions beyond the ability to prevent a foreign power from blockading the coast. The Navy has developed modern ship design from the Dutch and is even more the province of meritocracy than the Army, however it is held back by the relative unimportance of maritime culture in the empire, which has contributed to the small size of the officer corps. Additionally, budgetary priority is always given to the Army, which has always been the real hammer of the Emperor. 5/10.
Naval Yards at Tianjin: 14 ships of the line, 10 frigates
Naval Yards at Zhaocheng (OTL Vladivostok): 6 ships of the line, 7 frigates, 1 steam vessel
Other Info
Economic Strength: 12 - In the field of industrialization, Great Qian is a little behind most of the Chinese powers but is rapidly catching up, helped along to some degree by Russian expertise. The Empire may not have quite as much or as modern infrastructure as some of the southern states in the aggregate, but massive deposits of coal and iron, as well as a large labor force, ensure that Qian has a strong manufacturing capability, one that gets stronger with every passing year. In a handful of years, the court mandarins project, the empire will be able to churn out arms and munitions at an incredible rate. On the commercial front, overland trade with Russia and maritime trade with the Dutch, British and Japanese has contributed to the recent growth of a mercantile, somewhat educated bourgeoisie class. Still, there remains much room for growth and improvement. Most of Qian is still overwhelmingly rural, and the nomadic populations of some outlying provinces do not participate in the modern economy to the extant that they could.
Development: 12 - There are two Qians: one is a modern, industrialized state with well-developed infrastructure. The other Qian is representative of a remote, rural backwater that has yet to depart the middle ages in some regions. Generally, the Empire's development depends on its proximity to the coast and to the rest of China; the southern borderlands, Beijing, and much of Manchuria are linked by a web of well-kept imperial highways. Qian's port facilities are among the most advanced in East Asia, though not the largest. Urbanization proceeded slowly for much of the 18th century, but has erupted in the past twenty or so years. In remote provinces, however, such as Dzungaria, Outer Mongolia and the regions north of the Amur, many folk still keep to the nomadic lifestyle. A casual traveler might have no inkling that he was in a large, autocratic state.
Public Order: 15 - No dynasty is ever devoid of bad rulers - however, the Qian have been lucky to only have a handful. Historically, the dynasty has prided itself on good governance and the ability to balance the Empire's diverse ethnic groups without too much violence or undue brutality. On the question of religious toleration, the Christian emperors have been very indulgent of the Buddhist population and of traditional Chinese folk religion, even giving the former full toleration in the 1804 Hohhot Declaration. State attitudes towards the Muslim population have varied from ruler to ruler, but have turned sour in the last twenty years. Qian's Confucian-style bureaucracy is as ingrained as any other Chinese state, however the Emperors have imported a particularly useful Russian innovation: the secret police. The Xizuo are the Emperor's personal intelligence and police force, having become very adept at infiltrating dissenting groups and either exposing them or misdirecting their efforts.
Goals: See the Zhou Civil War conclude in favor of Qian interests, establish influence/dominance in northern China, vassalize or conquer Tibet, contain Joseon, industrialize further, promote expansion of Chinese Orthodoxy
History:
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.
Rodez wrote:Generic Info
Nation Name: Empire of the Great Qian
Symbols: rawr
Location: 72
Population: (population of everyone considered a citizen)
Capital City: Beijing
Civilization Status: GP, baby
Government Info
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: In part a run-of-the-mill Confucian-style Chinese monarchy, but with some European characteristics diffused through Russia. Notably, that the Beijing Church has ingratiated itself into the political life of the country, so that the Patriarch (usually) has the ear of the Emperor.
Ideology: Conservative Orthodoxy, neoconfucianism, absolutism
Leader/s: Emperor Leontius, given name Biru Jiànshēn
Relations Qian's strongest ally and biggest trading partner is certainly Tsarist Russia, the 'big brother' from which Qian adopted the Orthodox Church. On-again, off-again relations with the Mughals, with whom Qian has both traded peacefully and skirmished over the Pamirs. Guarded neutrality towards Joseon after the status quo ante bellum conclusion to their 1817-1821 war. Historically, Qian has remained aloof of the affairs of the Chinese states, but has taken a more active role in the past half century, and may yet intervene in Zhou's civil war in order to establish its sphere of influence in the north. Commercial relationships ongoing with the Dutch and British.
Population Info
Brief Description of your people: (Optional fluff text)
Religion: Qian has been a Christian state since the adoption of Eastern Orthodoxy by the Emperor Biru Taiji in 1652. At present, a little under half the population follows the Beijing Church, although the Qian continue to proselytize the faith, though less brutally than they did before. Most of the common people who follow Orthodoxy have incorporated some elements of traditional Chinese folk religion (such as ancestor reverance) into the new faith, a phenomenon which the emperors have indulged in the name of conversion. About a third of Qian subjects follow Tibetan Buddhism, especially in Outer Mongolia. Most of the remainder profess Sunni Islam, a faith with a far more turbulent and violent relationship to the Qian state. Persecution of Muslims has continued on and off for some time, with the Chang'an Massacre of 1743 capping one of the most egregious and brutal internal campaigns against them. The current emperor, Leontius, has scaled back the violence, but Islam is still not widely tolerated in the Empire.
hodox Main/Accepted Culture(s): Manchu, Han, Mongol
Other Cultures: Hui, Uyghur, Tibetan
Military Info
Army: (branches, number of troops, quality of army, etc, 1-10 slider for quality, at least a 1 paragraph description)
Navy: (branches, number of troops, quality of navy, number of ship, types of ships, etc, 1-10 slider for quality, at least a 1 paragraph supporting description)
Other Info
Economic Strength: 12 - In the field of industrialization, Great Qian is a little behind most of the Chinese powers but is rapidly catching up, helped along to some degree by Russian expertise. The Empire may not have quite as much or as modern infrastructure as some of the southern states in the aggregate, but massive deposits of coal and iron, as well as a large labor force, ensure that Qian has a strong manufacturing capability, one that gets stronger with every passing year. In a handful of years, the court mandarins project, the empire will be able to churn out arms and munitions at an incredible rate. On the commercial front, overland trade with Russia and maritime trade with the Dutch, British and Japanese has contributed to the recent growth of a mercantile, somewhat educated bourgeoisie class. Still, there remains much room for growth and improvement. Most of Qian is still overwhelmingly rural, and the nomadic populations of some outlying provinces do not participate in the modern economy to the extant that they could.
Development: 12 - There are two Qians: one is a modern, industrialized state with well-developed infrastructure. The other Qian is representative of a remote, rural backwater that has yet to depart the middle ages in some regions. Generally, the Empire's development depends on its proximity to the coast and to the rest of China; the southern borderlands, Beijing, and much of Manchuria are linked by a web of well-kept imperial highways. Qian's port facilities are among the most advanced in East Asia, though not the largest. Urbanization proceeded slowly for much of the 18th century, but has erupted in the past twenty or so years. In remote provinces, however, such as Dzungaria, Outer Mongolia and the regions north of the Amur, many folk still keep to the nomadic lifestyle. A casual traveler might have no inkling that he was in a large, autocratic state.
Public Order: 14 - No dynasty is ever devoid of bad rulers - however, the Qian have been lucky to only have a handful. Historically, the dynasty has prided itself on good governance and the ability to balance the Empire's diverse ethnic groups without too much violence or undue brutality. On the question of religious toleration, the Christian emperors have been very indulgent of the Buddhist population and of traditional Chinese folk religion, even giving the former full toleration in the 1804 Hohhot Declaration. State attitudes towards the Muslim population have varied from ruler to ruler, but have turned sour in the last twenty years. Qian's Confucian-style bureaucracy is as ingrained as any other Chinese state, however the Emperors have imported a particularly useful Russian innovation: the secret police. The Xizuo are the Emperor's personal intelligence and police force, having become very adept at infiltrating dissenting groups and either exposing them or misdirecting their efforts.
Goals: See the Zhou Civil War conclude in favor of Qian interests, establish influence/dominance in central China, vassalize or conquer Tibet, contain Joseon, industrialize further, promote expansion of Chinese Orthodoxy
History:
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.
App is approaching the finish line. I'll wait on population stats to fill out the military section, though.
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Generic Info
Nation Name: Grand Duchy of Oldenburg, Großherzogtum Oldenburg
Symbols:
Location: 17
Population: 67,200
Capital City: Oldenburg City
Civilisation Status: Civilised
Government Info
Government Type: Grand Duchy
Brief Explanation of Government: Headed by the royal authority of the Grand Duke of the House of Oldenburg, executive decisions declared by Grand Duke's consent.
Ideology: Conservative Monarchist
Leader/s: Grand Duke Augustus of Oldenburg
Relations Member of the German Confederation, generally positive relations with neighbouring Hanseatic cities and German regional powers.
Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Low-German culturally, mixed Saxon and Frisian descendants
Religion: Evangelical Lutheran Church of Oldenburg, South-Western counties are Catholic due to the historic influence of the bishopric of Münster
Main/Accepted Culture(s): North German, South German
Other Cultures: Ashkenazi
Military Info
Army: One land army branch, presided over by the Grand Duke in times of peace. With the ever increasing presence of Prussia in the German confederation and it's extending sphere of influence, military matters are ever increasingly neglected by the nobility that rule Oldenburg. Due to the previous Napoleonic wars and occupation under France, Oldenburg's military staff and officers are well versed in European land warfare due to experiences in the conflict. A small, yet professional, force of 3,700 are in service to protect the small German Duchy. 7/10.
Navy: Being a coastal trading German Duchy, Oldenburg's admirals have had lifelong experience out at sea. Navigation, experiencing adverse circumstances in terms of weather, for some have been the day to day life in the North Sea and the Baltic. The Duchy itself owns two wooden frigates and five transports. Despite the potential, Oldenburg hasn't fully exploited it's coastal status and has relied on the comfort of easy European trade. The navy also hasn't served a practical use in their domestic safe waters. 6/10.
Other Info
Economic Strength: 13/20. Oldenburg is economically reliant on the happenings of the German Confederation and it's market needs, as a German duchy it has developed metallurgy to continental European standards. It's urban centres employ a specialised workforce, with many professions such as Artisans in employment, up to the average European standard. It's a minor economic power, eclipsed by other German Confederation members such as Hanover and Prussia. Agricultural and fishing communities make up the main bulk of the primary, producing, sector with industrialisation not being fully realised.
Development: 17/20. Being a member of the German Confederation, in relative security, Oldenburg can spare to develop some rural carriageways. The city of Oldenburg itself has paved streets and a prominent port, urban infrastructure is well developed. Scandinavian kings have commonly held Oldenburg's territories, developing maritime facilities that could be comparable to the those of the Nordic region.
Public Order: 18/20. Pan-Germanism hasn't fully developed, liberal ideals have not been in mass circulation. The power of the Grand-Duke remains unquestioned as has been the centuries long standard held in the territory inhabited by Oldenburg. There aren't radically unfavourable conditions for any demographic or class of class of people as of yet.
Goals: Establish several international maritime trade routes, establish colonies and several coastal communities, conduct trade with the Far-East, expansion of dynasty, attain wealth and well being, reduce bureaucracy related to the German Confederation.
History: Oldenburg apparently started as a county headed by Elimar I, a claimed descendant of Widukind who opposed Charlemagne in his Saxon Campaigns, in 1091. In it's early medieval history, the Counts of Oldenburg consolidated power through continuous conflicts and wars with it's neighbours. By warring against the Frisian lords in the West and the neighbouring City of Bremen, Oldenburg acquired most if it's territory seen in 1836. In 1444, the city became and enclave of the Danish into Europe. In 1777 the county was promoted to a Duchy due to continuous and long winded dynastic dealings between several monarchs of leading European powers.
In 1806 Oldenburg was occupied by the French and the Dutch, the duke and the regent having to lead troops. In 1807, after a Duke Peter was revoked in favour of Duke William, Oldenburg joined the Confederation of the Rhine. In 1810 Napoleon revoked Duke William's land after refusing to cede territory, forcing his hand to join the allies. After a period of financial hardship and war against prevailing Napoleonic France, the decision would eventually pay off in the favour of the Duke.
After the Congress of Vienna had been settled, Duke William was granted of the principality of Birkenfeld which essentially meant that Oldenburg was granted the status of Grand-Duchy de-jure. Currently the House of Oldenburg rules over the Grand Duchy, the nobility being firmly rooted in medieval European history and tied to several past kings and prestigious royal families.
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.
Democratic East-Asia wrote:Guys does Ulm still exist as an independent city?
Fossia wrote:Democratic East-Asia wrote:Noooooooo Ulm
ur tears bring me happiness austrian scum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ulm