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Greater Redosia
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Postby Greater Redosia » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:08 pm

Generic Info
Nation Name: American Federation
Symbols: American Federation Flag Federalist Cockade National Anthem
Location: 104 (Number on Map)
Population: 2.16 Million
Capital City: Boston
Civilization Status: Civilized

Government Info
Government Type: Presidential Constitutional Authoritative Federal Republic
Brief Explanation of Government: The Government of the American Federation is much different from what was once the great experiment that was the United States of America. Although having a constitution as the former United States of America should've had, several changes have been made concerning certain subjects within the national politics. First, the house was completely removed in favor of a Unitary Senate which currently holds 60 senators. Federal Law also reigns absolute authority in all shape and form to all the lesser states, no matter the size or the situation, no special treatment or decentralized bickering. All laws are also subject to Federal Review from the Supreme Court of the American Federation, which may interpret the Constitution and choose whether laws follow or do not follow the constitution.

Ideology: Federalism, Abolitionism, Republicanism, Split between Anglophilia and Anglophobia
Leader/s: President Harrison Gray Otis, Majority Representative Daniel Webster
Relations

United Kingdom - The American Federation's relations with the United Kingdom has always split their nation apart. They have existing trade and an unofficial defense agreement that protects the nation from her neighbors. They are also the destination of most of the Federation's exports and students who wish to learn in Europe.

British North America - despite being a colony of the British, the Federation holds good relations with the local Government as well. Trade regularly passes between the two nations and holds most of the British-Federation trade.

Columbian Republic - The American Federation and Columbian Republic have interesting relations, both agree that they don't wish to war against each other but find each other their polar opposites. The Government dislikes the form of Government that the Republic has and finds them their closest naval rival that must be stopped. But many hope one day that perhaps they can reunite and restore America as it should've been.

Commonwealth of America - Many don't see the Commonwealth of America as a threat, but do have existing trade for their cotton in exchange for industrial goods. But many within the Government, mostly holding to the Free Liberal Party who holds absolute abolitionist values find the state morally degenerative and could care less for how they exist.

Georgia - Many within the Government adamantly hate the nation of Georgia for their slave policy and how they treat them, which even includes the Union Party of America who wishes to reunite the USA. If there is a chance to strike a blow against them, many wish to do so even if they must disobey orders.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The American Federation is made of three different types of culture, the Boston Elite, the Vermonter and the Federation people. Firstly, the Boston Elite are what makes up most of the rich and influential people of the city of Boston, the capital of the American Federation. They also have the most control over Massachusetts (including Maine, it never broke apart from Massachusetts) and Rhode Island. With most of their customs relating to that of European Britain, to emulate their success and their upper class. Although not as proper and posh as those in England, they are seen as wealthy elites in the eyes of the people in the American Federation.

Second is the Vermonter. Vermont has been one of the strange parts of the American Federation ever since it broke apart from the United States. Vermont has always had a sense of loyalty to the cause of Republicanism and independence for their once former Republic. They vote mostly Union Party of America and are given a level of autonomy that no other state within the Federation has, which many find outside the ideals of the Federalists but seeing their usability as a needed nation to defend their western holdout, the rampant Republicanism and distrust of the Government has made them an interesting bunch.

The third and final is the average person of the Federation. They are split between the ideals of the Federalist Party, finding their rights secured when giving their representatives powers to make decisions while many are unsatisfied with their ability of independence and right to freedom like the old United States had. Whatever the case it may be, they are religious and fundamentally abolitionist unlike their fellow people in other American nations.
Religion: Congregationalist-Presbyterian Union Church of New England, Roman Catholicism and the Episcopal Church
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Massachusettsans, Vermonter, African American and American
Other Cultures: Native American, New Yorker, British

Military Info
Army:
Federation Standing Army - 7/10 - The Federation Standing Army is the main defending force that the Federation calls upon for their defense. Based of the New Hampshire Rogers' Rangers, they are heavily trained and usually taken up from hunters who shoot for a living. Given rifled guns that although are more expensive and take much longer to reload, they are marksman beyond comparison and as a right of passage into any of the Standing Companies, the one joining must go out and hunt animals for his own coat. Which will then be dyed green and properly fitted for the new joining member. Standing at a size of 20,000 men split into 20 regiments of 1,000 and then split into 4 companies of 250. Ironically, most of those who make up the Federation Standing Army are from Vermont (those part of also ironically named Green Mountain Boy Companies), New Hampshire, Connecticut and Northern Massachusetts (Maine). Many of them believing in less in the Federation and more of their home states.

Federation Militia - 2/10 - The Federation Militia is the main body of soldiers who are called upon to come and support the Federation in case of a hostile invasion. Given muskets from the Springfield Armory, they are given minimal training and are forced to buy their own uniforms, leaving the military mostly made up of those in their own clothes with military gear. Though not uniform in nature, they are not meant to go forth and wage war but to hold the lines at the forts and to protect the homes of the Federation. Many of these boys come from the cities, mostly Boston, Augusta, Providence and Hartford. They find their loyalty towards the Federation itself than their respective states. Though they are a massive reserve force, they are made up in three stages of mobilization. First wave is 50,000 soldiers in 20 regiments of 2,500 and 10 companies of 250 soldiers. Second wave is in case the Federation is losing and more men need to fill the lines, made up of 100,000 men in 40 regiments of 2,500 made up of 10 companies of 250. Finally, third wave mobilization when the very existence of the Federation is at stake. 150,000 more soldiers in 60 regiments of 2,500 of 10 companies of 250 soldiers. In total, the three mobilization phases combined would equal up to 300,000 soldier being brought forward with many needing to be trained and armed for second and third stage of mobilization. If the Federation were to reach phase 3 mobilization....it will not economically survive post war.

Navy:
Quality - 8/10 - The Federation Navy has always been the favored child and most appreciated branch in the entirety of the Federation. A long history of maritime tradition ranging from Augusta Massachusetts, Boston Massachusetts and Providence Rhode island. Strong naval yards that rival that of New York and once challenged the might of the British navy during the War of 1812. The Federation has always favored its navy or the power of the sea than its forces on land. With old ships being refitted such as the FSS Independence and the FSS Constitution undergoing repairs to once again rejoin the fleet, the Federation truly sees itself as a force to be reckoned with. With 30,000 personnel, which are mostly made up of sailors, Federal Dockyard workers and even 5,000 marines. They emulate what the nation wishes to have, to rule the waves.

1 Second Rate Ship of the Line "FSS Independence"
2 Fourth Rate Ships of the Line "FSS Hamilton and FSS Adam"
1 FSS Constitution (currently undergoing repairs)
9 Fifth Rate Frigates
22 Sloop-of-wars
17 Schooners

Other Info
Economic Strength: The Economic strength of the American Federation, can be all thanked upon the backs of the United Kingdom. Having been a close ally since the beginning of the Federation and controlling the great port city of Boston which is south of the United Kingdom's American colonies, it means a lot of European trade tends to run along from north to south where the American Federation usually gets the first picks of the goods. Along with getting great trade lanes of sending goods east. Usually obtaining natural goods from Canada and the Commonwealth of America to be made into finished goods sent eastward. In the end, the economic strength is seen as a solid 15/20
Development: The nation, with the support of a great central Government and small nation size, along with an untold amount of support from Britain has allowed many roads to be build, ports to be expanded. It was also thanks to close British support they managed to support the expansion of railways connecting major cities in the country, but so far plans are made for more expansion of a huge revitalization of road networks and transportation. But until then, it is seen as a great 17/20 for the nation's development
Public Order: This is where the divides of the Federation shows. Due to wishing to preserve the freedoms that were guaranteed by the revolution of 1776, they implemented a constitution which was stronger than the Articles of Confederation ever could be. Giving a powerful state Government with which ensured the freedoms of her citizens were protected, it however has left a divide in the Government on several grounds. First, were how much of this interpretation of the Constitution was to be made towards the Federal Government and her local state Governments. Leaving with Pro-Federal Federalists and Pro-State Federalists. This also doesn't excuse a growing nostalgia for the idea of what the United States was supposed to be, with the Union Party encouraging a sort of Pan-American ideology for the reunification of the east-coast. With the Free Liberal Party advocating for the complete abolition of slavery and the continued high tariffs and boycotting of goods from Georgia. In total, it's around 10/20 for public order.
Goals: Ensure the dominance of Federation Naval Supremacy in the Americas, achieve closer relations with Britain and ensure that the American Federation survives. [Secret 1] Become close enough to become a commonwealth state with the United Kingdom and return to the fold of what was meant to be [secret 2] Support the Pan-American ideology and restore the United States in some form or another.

History:

1776-1803: The United States of America succeeds in its revolution against the British Empire and establishes itself as the great experiment in the Americas. A nation based on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Sadly, these ideals would never truly come into the light as they should've been. After the war, the United States came together underneath the Articles of Confederation, agreeing to the power of the States with a weak central Government to unite them all together. Its weaknesses would not be able to show following Massachusetts' ability to put down the Shays' Rebellion through talks and military crackdown. It would never come apparent the need of a stronger federal system and the Federalists' cause to attempt and bring up a nation under a constitution died as a dream. As such, the Central Government was too poor with its meagre amount of income to be able to purchase the Louisiana Territory from the French, losing it to Fusang.

1803-1811: Nothing of extreme note of happening during these times, excluding growing tension between the states due to ideological differences and cultural divides. With deadlock in the Government and the inability of commerce to properly be organized across states, shows the weakness of the United States of America's Articles of Confederation, but the idea that the Articles brought. Now allowing it to change in time before the next year came.

1812: The War of 1812 begins, with the invasion of Canada.

1813: The war in New England is quiet excluding expeditions and battles in Canada, small scale naval battles between ships and privateers happen off the coast of Maine.

1814: British General Sir John Coape Sherbrooke leads an expedition into Maine and has far greater success than first imaginable. Leading the entire British force of 3,000 men all the way to the city of Augusta and manage to capture the city with little resistance due to the inability for the Massachusetts militia to respond to the more organized British soldiers. Many in the Northeast start protesting against the war, finding it far against their favor especially since they were opposed to the war to begin with. Vermont responds to the British threat quickly, mobilizing the Green Mountain Boys into New Hampshire to support its defense as the American Navy is still stuck in Boston harbor. With this, the Federalists who had supported the idea of a constitution for this very scenario and come to Hartford Connecticut.

The Convention: With the war going far from their favor and the failure of the Government to properly represent the causes of New England and its political, economic and religious sense. The Hartford Convention had come together under the leadership of Caleb Strong. With the states unable to properly wage a war against the United Kingdom, it was deemed that any military victory would be impossible. The entirety of Boston was under a naval blockade and all of Maine had been occupied by British forces, it was deemed that a separate peace was to be made to ensure the independence of New England from a devastating war is never wished to participate in the first place. The Articles of Confederation showed its weakness in supporting the military and as such, would be a basis on why the convention held would not accept further war as the British have been able to win several battles including Washington D.C.

Second, was the economic status of the New England States. With the region being a sort of separate entity in terms of its economic possibilities compared to other states and the cultural and religious ties it held closer towards England than the other states, it was deemed that it would not wage any economic war or encourage any trade embargo at all. Shipping was to remain free and to great effort to destroy the trade with the French in exchange of trade with the British. It was deemed that the strong manufacturing base and naval infrastructure allowed it to become stronger as a nation as compared with others.

Finally, was the subject of Secession. Many hadn't wished to use these sort of words when the nation as a whole would suffer if they left. But their inability to prevent Timothy Pickering from entering the convention and giving many reasons as to why New England must leave. Firstly, there would be no claims west of Pennsylvania for any of the states to obtain once the war is over, they would lose it all and the United States would be weak again. Second, was the Articles of Confederation hampered the state's ability to prosper together and leaves a majority of the other states to allow any sort of enforcement if they ally together, as such New England should ally with each other first forming a strong central Government to carry out the affairs of the states and forming a document securing the rights of the people. Finally, peace should be made with Britain where they would see a favorable peace be made separate from the other portions of the united States of America. They would survive and it would ensure that they would not fall. With support from Josiah Quincy and John Lowell Jr., they pushed the convention away from simply concerns of the United States to an agreement of independence from the United States of America. As such, a letter was sent to Sir John Coape Sherbrooke.

1815: The letter contained what is now known as the Hartford Declaration of Secession and Liberty, stating that the states of New England consisting of Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts are free to leave the United States of America due to the inability to ensure the rights of the people and to carry out its responsibility of what was given. In its stead, they have completely surrendered to the British Forces, allowing all British forces to enter the territory and to enter the ports of New England, effectively ending the war entirely. In its wake, to represent the independent States, it came to the election of all legislatures and her people. Choosing Caleb Strong, Governor of Massachusetts and Edward Manton a man worth of sterling in all relations with his life, to represent the Provisional Government of New England to represent the states to the United Kingdom.

1816: After a year of negotiations and British occupation of New England which introduced many customs back into the New Englander populace and even the Boston Brahmin. What finally resulted with the support of Danial Webster and the British Diplomat Alexander Baring, 1st Baron of Ashburton was the Webster–Ashburton Treaty. The treaty gave the independence of the states of New England and resolved the territorial dispute of Northern Massachusetts, in return favorable trade deals and rights were given to the British and New England would forever remaining extremely close to the United Kingdom's sphere of influence. They had succeeded in obtaining peace, now they had to focus on a new onlook, the formation of the new nation.

1817: While the organization of another convention was underway, the Commonwealth of America wished to work together in destroying the barbary pirates in North Africa. With the navy in an unknown condition, it was agreed to. Arriving with a bit more firepower than the Commonwealth, they made quick work of the remaining pirates. While the Commonwealth stayed behind to make their deal with the Moroccans, a proud naval tradition bloomed from the expedition to the New England states as they sailed back home. Succeeding in their efforts, they came back to a new nation. One that would be ready for a change.

The Boston Convention: With peace succeeding with Britain, the states now independent from the United States of America and the remnants no longer proving their nation a threat. It was time to organize themselves into a new nation with a new Government. With the Federalists solely in power, with little opposition, they have agreed that the nation could never adopt the Articles of Confederation in any sort of magnitude. They would be weak and powerless as the United States of the past was. Instead, the convention agreed that a replacement had to be made. Securing the freedoms of all people and securing the right of a Federal Government to enforce its ability to exist. The convention lasted for months, with arguments over the power of the Federal Government and the rights of the States until it was finally settled that the Government will be given Supreme Authority to ensure the freedom of the people within the States, with the Bill of Rights being adopted albeit altered to represent the new stronger central Government, it ensured the rights of the people to be enforced and allowed the State Governments some degree of freedom to act as they wish. Officially, with the unanimous adoption by the states, the Constitution of the American Federation officially forms and ensures a bright future for New England.

1818-1836: The remaining years following the adoption of the Constitution of the American Federation, the nation waited a full two years afterwards to begin elections starting in the year 1820. William Prescott Jr. was elected based on his experience and his family name and served a full two terms as President for a total of eight years. Preserving the nation's stability and expanding the Federation Navy, along with using his father's journals and experience from the American Revolution to organize the Federation Standing Army with the support of many British officers from Canada. He held the title as the first President and was found one of the best despite the nation's short lifespan. When the end of his term in 1828 came, he stepped down and elections were held again. Nathan Dane won in a landslide against the formed Opposition that rose from Vermont, following a small rebellion against the rule of the Government which was easily put down. Being an experienced lawyer from Harvard Law School and supporting an extremely active Government, he was directly responsible for the explosion of Abolitionist sentiment in the American Federation following his Declaration of the Rights of all thesis which convinced the Government to completely abolish slavery and enforce an embargo against the State of Georgia. His presidency lasting for only four years as elections were held again in 32, electing Harrison Gray Otis who was popular among all people by being chosen by George Washington as U.S Attorney for Massachusetts. Although a Boston Brahmin, he held the nation together for the four years, expanding trade and putting an order in to repair Old Ironsides to ensure her continued service. The times are changing however, as elections draw closer and the nation is reaching a pinnacle on its ability to grow. The people are restless but for what? A return of a idealistic dream, realists who cannot see the bright side of things or perhaps those that wish to ensure that Britain returns in a form greater than just trade ships.

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The Industrial States of Columbia
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Founded: Feb 28, 2014
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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:01 pm

Greater Redosia wrote:
Generic Info
Nation Name: American Federation
Symbols: American Federation Flag Federalist Cockade National Anthem
Location: 104 (Number on Map)
Population: 2.16 Million
Capital City: Boston
Civilization Status: Civilized

Government Info
Government Type: Presidential Constitutional Authoritative Federal Republic
Brief Explanation of Government: The Government of the American Federation is much different from what was once the great experiment that was the United States of America. Although having a constitution as the former United States of America should've had, several changes have been made concerning certain subjects within the national politics. First, the house was completely removed in favor of a Unitary Senate which currently holds 60 senators. Federal Law also reigns absolute authority in all shape and form to all the lesser states, no matter the size or the situation, no special treatment or decentralized bickering. All laws are also subject to Federal Review from the Supreme Court of the American Federation, which may interpret the Constitution and choose whether laws follow or do not follow the constitution.

Ideology: Federalism, Abolitionism, Republicanism, Split between Anglophilia and Anglophobia
Leader/s: President Harrison Gray Otis, Majority Representative Daniel Webster
Relations

United Kingdom - The American Federation's relations with the United Kingdom has always split their nation apart. They have existing trade and an unofficial defense agreement that protects the nation from her neighbors. They are also the destination of most of the Federation's exports and students who wish to learn in Europe.

British North America - despite being a colony of the British, the Federation holds good relations with the local Government as well. Trade regularly passes between the two nations and holds most of the British-Federation trade.

Columbian Republic - The American Federation and Columbian Republic have interesting relations, both agree that they don't wish to war against each other but find each other their polar opposites. The Government dislikes the form of Government that the Republic has and finds them their closest naval rival that must be stopped. But many hope one day that perhaps they can reunite and restore America as it should've been.

Commonwealth of America - Many don't see the Commonwealth of America as a threat, but do have existing trade for their cotton in exchange for industrial goods. But many within the Government, mostly holding to the Free Liberal Party who holds absolute abolitionist values find the state morally degenerative and could care less for how they exist.

Georgia - Many within the Government adamantly hate the nation of Georgia for their slave policy and how they treat them, which even includes the Union Party of America who wishes to reunite the USA. If there is a chance to strike a blow against them, many wish to do so even if they must disobey orders.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The American Federation is made of three different types of culture, the Boston Elite, the Vermonter and the Federation people. Firstly, the Boston Elite are what makes up most of the rich and influential people of the city of Boston, the capital of the American Federation. They also have the most control over Massachusetts (including Maine, it never broke apart from Massachusetts) and Rhode Island. With most of their customs relating to that of European Britain, to emulate their success and their upper class. Although not as proper and posh as those in England, they are seen as wealthy elites in the eyes of the people in the American Federation.

Second is the Vermonter. Vermont has been one of the strange parts of the American Federation ever since it broke apart from the United States. Vermont has always had a sense of loyalty to the cause of Republicanism and independence for their once former Republic. They vote mostly Union Party of America and are given a level of autonomy that no other state within the Federation has, which many find outside the ideals of the Federalists but seeing their usability as a needed nation to defend their western holdout, the rampant Republicanism and distrust of the Government has made them an interesting bunch.

The third and final is the average person of the Federation. They are split between the ideals of the Federalist Party, finding their rights secured when giving their representatives powers to make decisions while many are unsatisfied with their ability of independence and right to freedom like the old United States had. Whatever the case it may be, they are religious and fundamentally abolitionist unlike their fellow people in other American nations.
Religion: Congregationalist-Presbyterian Union Church of New England, Roman Catholicism and the Episcopal Church
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Massachusettsans, Vermonter, African American and American
Other Cultures: Native American, New Yorker, British

Military Info
Army:
Federation Standing Army - 7/10 - The Federation Standing Army is the main defending force that the Federation calls upon for their defense. Based of the New Hampshire Rogers' Rangers, they are heavily trained and usually taken up from hunters who shoot for a living. Given rifled guns that although are more expensive and take much longer to reload, they are marksman beyond comparison and as a right of passage into any of the Standing Companies, the one joining must go out and hunt animals for his own coat. Which will then be dyed green and properly fitted for the new joining member. Standing at a size of 20,000 men split into 20 regiments of 1,000 and then split into 4 companies of 250. Ironically, most of those who make up the Federation Standing Army are from Vermont (those part of also ironically named Green Mountain Boy Companies), New Hampshire, Connecticut and Northern Massachusetts (Maine). Many of them believing in less in the Federation and more of their home states.

Federation Militia - 2/10 - The Federation Militia is the main body of soldiers who are called upon to come and support the Federation in case of a hostile invasion. Given muskets from the Springfield Armory, they are given minimal training and are forced to buy their own uniforms, leaving the military mostly made up of those in their own clothes with military gear. Though not uniform in nature, they are not meant to go forth and wage war but to hold the lines at the forts and to protect the homes of the Federation. Many of these boys come from the cities, mostly Boston, Augusta, Providence and Hartford. They find their loyalty towards the Federation itself than their respective states. Though they are a massive reserve force, they are made up in three stages of mobilization. First wave is 50,000 soldiers in 20 regiments of 2,500 and 10 companies of 250 soldiers. Second wave is in case the Federation is losing and more men need to fill the lines, made up of 100,000 men in 40 regiments of 2,500 made up of 10 companies of 250. Finally, third wave mobilization when the very existence of the Federation is at stake. 150,000 more soldiers in 60 regiments of 2,500 of 10 companies of 250 soldiers. In total, the three mobilization phases combined would equal up to 300,000 soldier being brought forward with many needing to be trained and armed for second and third stage of mobilization. If the Federation were to reach phase 3 mobilization....it will not economically survive post war.

Navy:
Quality - 8/10 - The Federation Navy has always been the favored child and most appreciated branch in the entirety of the Federation. A long history of maritime tradition ranging from Augusta Massachusetts, Boston Massachusetts and Providence Rhode island. Strong naval yards that rival that of New York and once challenged the might of the British navy during the War of 1812. The Federation has always favored its navy or the power of the sea than its forces on land. With old ships being refitted such as the FSS Independence and the FSS Constitution undergoing repairs to once again rejoin the fleet, the Federation truly sees itself as a force to be reckoned with. With 30,000 personnel, which are mostly made up of sailors, Federal Dockyard workers and even 5,000 marines. They emulate what the nation wishes to have, to rule the waves.

1 Second Rate Ship of the Line "FSS Independence"
2 Fourth Rate Ships of the Line "FSS Hamilton and FSS Adam"
1 FSS Constitution (currently undergoing repairs)
9 Fifth Rate Frigates
22 Sloop-of-wars
17 Schooners

Other Info
Economic Strength: The Economic strength of the American Federation, can be all thanked upon the backs of the United Kingdom. Having been a close ally since the beginning of the Federation and controlling the great port city of Boston which is south of the United Kingdom's American colonies, it means a lot of European trade tends to run along from north to south where the American Federation usually gets the first picks of the goods. Along with getting great trade lanes of sending goods east. Usually obtaining natural goods from Canada and the Commonwealth of America to be made into finished goods sent eastward. In the end, the economic strength is seen as a solid 15/20
Development: The nation, with the support of a great central Government and small nation size, along with an untold amount of support from Britain has allowed many roads to be build, ports to be expanded. It was also thanks to close British support they managed to support the expansion of railways connecting major cities in the country, but so far plans are made for more expansion of a huge revitalization of road networks and transportation. But until then, it is seen as a great 17/20 for the nation's development
Public Order: This is where the divides of the Federation shows. Due to wishing to preserve the freedoms that were guaranteed by the revolution of 1776, they implemented a constitution which was stronger than the Articles of Confederation ever could be. Giving a powerful state Government with which ensured the freedoms of her citizens were protected, it however has left a divide in the Government on several grounds. First, were how much of this interpretation of the Constitution was to be made towards the Federal Government and her local state Governments. Leaving with Pro-Federal Federalists and Pro-State Federalists. This also doesn't excuse a growing nostalgia for the idea of what the United States was supposed to be, with the Union Party encouraging a sort of Pan-American ideology for the reunification of the east-coast. With the Free Liberal Party advocating for the complete abolition of slavery and the continued high tariffs and boycotting of goods from Georgia. In total, it's around 10/20 for public order.
Goals: Ensure the dominance of Federation Naval Supremacy in the Americas, achieve closer relations with Britain and ensure that the American Federation survives. [Secret 1] Become close enough to become a commonwealth state with the United Kingdom and return to the fold of what was meant to be [secret 2] Support the Pan-American ideology and restore the United States in some form or another.

History:

1776-1803: The United States of America succeeds in its revolution against the British Empire and establishes itself as the great experiment in the Americas. A nation based on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Sadly, these ideals would never truly come into the light as they should've been. After the war, the United States came together underneath the Articles of Confederation, agreeing to the power of the States with a weak central Government to unite them all together. Its weaknesses would not be able to show following Massachusetts' ability to put down the Shays' Rebellion through talks and military crackdown. It would never come apparent the need of a stronger federal system and the Federalists' cause to attempt and bring up a nation under a constitution died as a dream. As such, the Central Government was too poor with its meagre amount of income to be able to purchase the Louisiana Territory from the French, losing it to Fusang.

1803-1811: Nothing of extreme note of happening during these times, excluding growing tension between the states due to ideological differences and cultural divides. With deadlock in the Government and the inability of commerce to properly be organized across states, shows the weakness of the United States of America's Articles of Confederation, but the idea that the Articles brought. Now allowing it to change in time before the next year came.

1812: The War of 1812 begins, with the invasion of Canada.

1813: The war in New England is quiet excluding expeditions and battles in Canada, small scale naval battles between ships and privateers happen off the coast of Maine.

1814: British General Sir John Coape Sherbrooke leads an expedition into Maine and has far greater success than first imaginable. Leading the entire British force of 3,000 men all the way to the city of Augusta and manage to capture the city with little resistance due to the inability for the Massachusetts militia to respond to the more organized British soldiers. Many in the Northeast start protesting against the war, finding it far against their favor especially since they were opposed to the war to begin with. Vermont responds to the British threat quickly, mobilizing the Green Mountain Boys into New Hampshire to support its defense as the American Navy is still stuck in Boston harbor. With this, the Federalists who had supported the idea of a constitution for this very scenario and come to Hartford Connecticut.

The Convention: With the war going far from their favor and the failure of the Government to properly represent the causes of New England and its political, economic and religious sense. The Hartford Convention had come together under the leadership of Caleb Strong. With the states unable to properly wage a war against the United Kingdom, it was deemed that any military victory would be impossible. The entirety of Boston was under a naval blockade and all of Maine had been occupied by British forces, it was deemed that a separate peace was to be made to ensure the independence of New England from a devastating war is never wished to participate in the first place. The Articles of Confederation showed its weakness in supporting the military and as such, would be a basis on why the convention held would not accept further war as the British have been able to win several battles including Washington D.C.

Second, was the economic status of the New England States. With the region being a sort of separate entity in terms of its economic possibilities compared to other states and the cultural and religious ties it held closer towards England than the other states, it was deemed that it would not wage any economic war or encourage any trade embargo at all. Shipping was to remain free and to great effort to destroy the trade with the French in exchange of trade with the British. It was deemed that the strong manufacturing base and naval infrastructure allowed it to become stronger as a nation as compared with others.

Finally, was the subject of Secession. Many hadn't wished to use these sort of words when the nation as a whole would suffer if they left. But their inability to prevent Timothy Pickering from entering the convention and giving many reasons as to why New England must leave. Firstly, there would be no claims west of Pennsylvania for any of the states to obtain once the war is over, they would lose it all and the United States would be weak again. Second, was the Articles of Confederation hampered the state's ability to prosper together and leaves a majority of the other states to allow any sort of enforcement if they ally together, as such New England should ally with each other first forming a strong central Government to carry out the affairs of the states and forming a document securing the rights of the people. Finally, peace should be made with Britain where they would see a favorable peace be made separate from the other portions of the united States of America. They would survive and it would ensure that they would not fall. With support from Josiah Quincy and John Lowell Jr., they pushed the convention away from simply concerns of the United States to an agreement of independence from the United States of America. As such, a letter was sent to Sir John Coape Sherbrooke.

1815: The letter contained what is now known as the Hartford Declaration of Secession and Liberty, stating that the states of New England consisting of Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts are free to leave the United States of America due to the inability to ensure the rights of the people and to carry out its responsibility of what was given. In its stead, they have completely surrendered to the British Forces, allowing all British forces to enter the territory and to enter the ports of New England, effectively ending the war entirely. In its wake, to represent the independent States, it came to the election of all legislatures and her people. Choosing Caleb Strong, Governor of Massachusetts and Edward Manton a man worth of sterling in all relations with his life, to represent the Provisional Government of New England to represent the states to the United Kingdom.

1816: After a year of negotiations and British occupation of New England which introduced many customs back into the New Englander populace and even the Boston Brahmin. What finally resulted with the support of Danial Webster and the British Diplomat Alexander Baring, 1st Baron of Ashburton was the Webster–Ashburton Treaty. The treaty gave the independence of the states of New England and resolved the territorial dispute of Northern Massachusetts, in return favorable trade deals and rights were given to the British and New England would forever remaining extremely close to the United Kingdom's sphere of influence. They had succeeded in obtaining peace, now they had to focus on a new onlook, the formation of the new nation.

1817: While the organization of another convention was underway, the Commonwealth of America wished to work together in destroying the barbary pirates in North Africa. With the navy in an unknown condition, it was agreed to. Arriving with a bit more firepower than the Commonwealth, they made quick work of the remaining pirates. While the Commonwealth stayed behind to make their deal with the Moroccans, a proud naval tradition bloomed from the expedition to the New England states as they sailed back home. Succeeding in their efforts, they came back to a new nation. One that would be ready for a change.

The Boston Convention: With peace succeeding with Britain, the states now independent from the United States of America and the remnants no longer proving their nation a threat. It was time to organize themselves into a new nation with a new Government. With the Federalists solely in power, with little opposition, they have agreed that the nation could never adopt the Articles of Confederation in any sort of magnitude. They would be weak and powerless as the United States of the past was. Instead, the convention agreed that a replacement had to be made. Securing the freedoms of all people and securing the right of a Federal Government to enforce its ability to exist. The convention lasted for months, with arguments over the power of the Federal Government and the rights of the States until it was finally settled that the Government will be given Supreme Authority to ensure the freedom of the people within the States, with the Bill of Rights being adopted albeit altered to represent the new stronger central Government, it ensured the rights of the people to be enforced and allowed the State Governments some degree of freedom to act as they wish. Officially, with the unanimous adoption by the states, the Constitution of the American Federation officially forms and ensures a bright future for New England.

1818-1836: The remaining years following the adoption of the Constitution of the American Federation, the nation waited a full two years afterwards to begin elections starting in the year 1820. William Prescott Jr. was elected based on his experience and his family name and served a full two terms as President for a total of eight years. Preserving the nation's stability and expanding the Federation Navy, along with using his father's journals and experience from the American Revolution to organize the Federation Standing Army with the support of many British officers from Canada. He held the title as the first President and was found one of the best despite the nation's short lifespan. When the end of his term in 1828 came, he stepped down and elections were held again. Nathan Dane won in a landslide against the formed Opposition that rose from Vermont, following a small rebellion against the rule of the Government which was easily put down. Being an experienced lawyer from Harvard Law School and supporting an extremely active Government, he was directly responsible for the explosion of Abolitionist sentiment in the American Federation following his Declaration of the Rights of all thesis which convinced the Government to completely abolish slavery and enforce an embargo against the State of Georgia. His presidency lasting for only four years as elections were held again in 32, electing Harrison Gray Otis who was popular among all people by being chosen by George Washington as U.S Attorney for Massachusetts. Although a Boston Brahmin, he held the nation together for the four years, expanding trade and putting an order in to repair Old Ironsides to ensure her continued service. The times are changing however, as elections draw closer and the nation is reaching a pinnacle on its ability to grow. The people are restless but for what? A return of a idealistic dream, realists who cannot see the bright side of things or perhaps those that wish to ensure that Britain returns in a form greater than just trade ships.

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Postby Lan Khao Xang Hom Krung Tai » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:18 pm

I, the tuwa, have mimicked Wu's app for Fusang

Generic Info
Nation Name: Great Fusang State | 大扶桑國 | Dà Fúsāng Guó
Symbols:
Banner of Fusang
War Flag

Location: 103
Population: 15,000,000
Capital City: Shèlù | 舍路 (Seattle)
Civilization Status: Civilized

Government Info
Government Type: Oligarchic Noble Republic with Chinese Characteristics
Brief Explanation of Government: Think "Three Departments, Six Ministries" with all three under a strong political leader replacing the Emperor. Members of noble houses often nominate the Chancellor. Because of strong political power in some families, a leader from the same family is often chosen as if they were heirs.
Ideology: No real ideology, but Fusangism, termed by foreign observers based on traditional values merged with the story of Fusang to form a patriotic national identity. This is furthered by the "Decree for All Under Heaven", claiming the expanse of America for Fusang.
Leader/s: Chancellor Wú Yìjūn (吳翊鈞)

Relations
  • Meiguo: Meiguo is a Chinese break-away state from the Mexican Empire. Because of cultural compatibility, as well as many of Meiguo’s people hailing from the same lands, Fusang takes up the mantle of protector of Meiguo. Many within the nation wish to annex Meiguo as part of the ‘Decree for All Under Heaven’
  • Mexico: Mexico and Fusang do not enjoy all that much of positive relations. Both are competitors for domination of the region, and with the blessing of Fusang on Meiguo, a former territory of Mexico, both nations have come to diplomatic blows and relations are not getting much better.
  • Wu and the rest of China: Wu is the main former colonial master of Fusang. Fusang enjoys positive relations with the Empire as part of the Trans-Pacific Trade between Fusang and the rest of Asia.
  • Britain and the rest of North America: Fusang doesn’t have as bad relations with Britain as it does with Mexico. As Britain wishes to enjoy the status quo in the Americas, this proves fruitful for preventing any American states from moving any more westward across the Great River.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Fusang’s people are descended from coastal Asia, predominantly of Wu and Qi, but not just limited to them. Japanese (from before the Sakoku edict) and Korean had also arrived in significant amounts. An amalgamation of these peoples would eventually start to shape the Fusang people as an identity separate from the rest of Asia.
Religion: Religion is not much of a thing to be listed officially as all practice an amalgamation of the Chinese and foreign (i.e. Buddhism) religions all rolled up into one. Following that, Islam also takes a good chunk of the religious population, from Wu's sponsoring of it through merchants and bureaucrats during the colonization periods. Christianity, Catholicism in particular, exists in small amounts concentrated in the East. The indiginous religions are often poised to be assimilated into the Fusang variant of Chinese religion.
Main/Accepted Culture: The Sinic cultures (Han, Min, Wu, Yue, Hakka, Viet, Korean, Japanese, etc)
Other Cultures: The other cultures of Fusang can often be split into three groups; the Immigrant Cultures, the small minorities who joined the Wu colonization but were not of the main cultures (the Mongolic cultures, the Indochinese cultures, the Central Asian Cultures), the Trading Cultures who primarily exist within the cities as traders (the Nusantara, South Asian cultures), and the Other, who don’t fit a certain category, but exist within the nation in significant amounts, (Natives, and European (Predominantly French or Spanish))

Military Info
Army: Great Fusang Army
大扶桑軍 - Dà Fúsāng Lùjūn


Rating: 7.5/10
Number of Active Soldiers: 74,000
Number of Active Reserves: 50,000
Number of Paramilitaries: 400,000

Organization: The armies of Fusang are a relatively exceptionally trained force, with their professional volunteers noted as being exceptional fighters. Unlike some other nations in the Americas, Fusang is also notable for their continued usage of melee weapons with main units. Swords and spears make frequent appearances with the military, though some can chalk it up to the militias, conscripts, and ceremonial units.

The military traditions of Fusang stem partially from those of Wu and Qi, their former colonies making up the entirety of current Fusang. That is where most of the former overlord's influences end. The history of the military stems from both the local militias raised on the frontier and the House-Armies employed by the aristocratic houses of the Vermillion Hibiscus Society. During the Wu-Qi wars in the new world, both nation's aristocrats in the colonies raised armies in the name of their overlords. Once the fighting was over, much of these families maintained their forces officially as servants, mainly as a way to maintain their power.

With the relatively bloodless uprising against Wu winning their freedom, and a large number of mercenary soldiers around the nation, Fusang introduced some military reforms. Their mercenaries transitioned into salaried professionals with the addition of military exams to screen their units, weeding out the illiterate and inefficient. Those of their previous mercenary armies who did not pass were then transitioned into the reserves, while those that did made it to the main army.

Conscription was added to Fusang as a way to supplement the military with a numerical boost. Conscription doesn’t require the passing of the military exams, but it does aid in choosing which to promote to lead conscript units.

  • Guards Army: The Guards Army (Wǔwèijūn - 武衛軍) is the main professional fighting force of the Fusangese military. Because of their professional nature, salaried by the central government, and screened by exams, it is thought that these would be the most loyal units. For this, they are chosen to garrison cities, fortresses, arsenals, shipyards, and guard government buildings.
  • Eastern Peace Army: The Eastern Peace Army (Dōngpíngjūn 東平軍) is the conscript forces of the Fusang Army. Conscription starts at age 20, where forces are trained for a year, then are sent to the frontier, to garrison the provinces alongside the professional army, or as guards for the walled cities. Criminals are allowed into the force, but are made to serve on the frontier to commute their sentence.
  • The Swords and Spears Society: The Swords and Spears Society (Hóngdāoqiānghuì - 紅刀槍會) makes the bulk of the militia paramilitary groups. They were, and still are, the nation’s defense in peacetime, where the army is not mobilized. They are not the best equipped nor the best trained, but they make up for it in numbers and presence throughout the nation. Because of their status, they are often used to keep the peace in the frontier and are only relegated to older model muskets, and the swords and spears of their name. They can often be differentiated by the red horse hair tassel fixed to their weapons.
Navy: Great Fusang Navy
大扶桑海軍 - Dà Fúsāng Haijūn[


Rating: 8/10
Number of Navy Personnel:10,500
Number of Marines: 25,000
Number of Ships:
  • Flagship:Zhūjǐn (朱槿), 無窮花 (Wúqiónghuā)
  • Ships of the Line: 14
  • Frigate: 37
  • Sloop-of-War: 40

Organization: The navy of Fusang is a different matter. The first ships of Fusang were ships seized during the Vermillion Hibiscus Uprising. With a large coastline and trade with the Asian mainland of great importance, Fusang placed great emphasis into the navy, especially with their newly obtained Eastern coastline.

Fusangese shipbuilders and the navy have always looked towards naval development of the Asian and European nations, mimicking their naval development and always trying to implement similar technologies. As part of hopes to keep up with naval developments and to cut costs in preparation for a fleet, the navy of Fusang keeps programs of retrofitting the ships they can and decommissioning the ships they can’t. Because of developments like these, the fleets of Fusang carry an air of tradition and modernization.
  • North Fleet: The Northern Fleet (Běijiànduì 北艦隊) is the fleet that guards the seas surrounding the capital. Because of its location, the Northern Fleet, while it does protect the heart of the nation, its location and distance from hostile waters makes it enough for a smaller fleet to protect the waters around the capital.
  • South Fleet: The Southern Fleet (Nánjiànduì 南艦隊) is currently the largest fleet of Fusang. With increasingly uncomfortable relations with Mexico, Fusang Naval Staff found it unwise to leave a small force protecting Fusang from a Mexican naval attack.
  • Eastern Fleet: The Eastern Fleet (Dōngjiànduì 東艦隊) currently is the smallest naval force of Fusang. Because of difficulties to reach the East Coast, shipyard construction is under way in this area. Mostly, it is a token force of sloops and a handful of frigates.

Other Info
Economic Strength: 17 - Fusang regularly engages in trade with the American nations, with specialized Chinese items to the West as one of the closest to the European nations. This is however, not as demanded as definitely Chinese products. Raw materials in lumber and rare metals are also exported.
  • Trade: Because of the nature of Fusang, the Sinic state makes heavy strides in trading with its American and European descended neighbors. With it’s straight-forward connections to Asia and its close proximity to the Western nations, Fusang is a favorite intermediary for trade between the two old-world societies, trading goods back and forth. Often Fusang will also produce these much wanted Asiatic items domestically.
  • Industrialization: Because of its raw resources in metals, coal, timber, and others, Fusang is put in a very good position for industrialization. Fusang often opts to produce its own goods and materials for trade, selling quality goods, being the only Asian goods manufacturer in the region. Fusang produces many quality products, from textiles and porcelain to quality weapons and tools from its vast mineral resources for its military and militias. Shipbuilding as well, has enjoyed its industrialization with the construction of large ships. And to aid in Fusang’s trade, plans are out to lay down railroads connecting East and West once the borders and frontiers are secured.
  • Agriculture: While the coastal regions boast a healthy amount of industries, agriculture is still the dominant force of the nation’s economy. For it’s growing population and increasing size, agriculture is still top of the list. Millet and rice enjoy popularity as the number one crop for domestic consumption. Asiatic fruits ranging from persimmons to pears to dragon fruit are also cultivated, not just for domestic consumption, but also export to its neighbors and Europe.

Development: 15 - The Coastal areas are the most developed out of anywhere in the nation, rivaling some of that of the Chinese nations. The interior, however, is rather barren, with only small walled towns and forts dotting the plains.

  • Infrastructure: Much of the infrastructure in Fusang is from its days a colonial territory. Everything from administrative buildings, shipyards, and mines, most of these can be attributed to Fusang’s colonial past. Other than that, there are other small things that put Fusang off from the rest. Because of the area Fusang resides in, and with previous Japanese immigration, some architectural techniques exist in making more earth-quake proof buildings. Much of the coastal areas can see this influence in its buildings. Outside the coastal region, there exists not much but plains and the beginnings of walled towns dotting the plains like one would see back in East Asia.
  • Urbanization: Like previously mentioned, most live on the coast. For this reason, much of the area is highly urbanized with many in close proximity in the cities, almost like the metropolises of Korea, Japan, or China. This is, of course, offset by the barren plains of which people mostly live within the walled towns.

Public Order: 15 - Fusang is relatively stable in the form of public order. The populated coastal areas are the most stable in terms of order, with police patrols common. The interior is where things are a bit more messy. The Tusi System is used to govern the native territories through legitimizing certain tribe leaders, and making it a bit more stable for colonization. This in turn has also caused some violence between Fusang settlers, Tusi leaders, and other tribe leaders, so soldiers and militia must patrol the interior constantly.

Goals: Annex Meiguo, protect the route to the Gulf Coast, exert influence across the continent and maybe even back into the Sinosphere
History: Fusang's rise started with the Chinese states exploring into the territories now known as Fusang in 1540. Wu and Qi were the colonial masters on that side of the ocean, watching over and guiding the rise of its fruitful colony. Everyone from the lowly peasant to the aristocratic family flocked to the mythical Fusang in search of many things, starting their own cities where there wasn't any, the first of these, being Shelu, the largest and most prominent of these cities, eventually becoming the administrative and economic heart of the region.

When Wu and Qi clashed against each other, militias fought all over the colonies in control for supremacy, with many aristocratic houses providing their own soldiers to appease their then-colonial masters. While colonial giants fought with their ships in China, Wu militias took the advantage and took chains of Qi cities thorough the war. By the end of 1592, Wu's Fusang now controlled all of Qi's former new-world colonies.

In the next hundred years, Fusang continued to develop under Wu. Safe for a century developing itself while it's master continued to fight relentless wars on the mainland. At home, the families that had raised armies and controlled businesses were now the masters of the realm. In response to curb some of this autonomous power in the name of Wu, governors taxed these houses heavily, restricted their business, all the while Wu siphoned the riches of Fusang to fight wars for a homeland so far from home. By the late 1700s, these families, both from the Wu and former Qi, banded together to form the Zhūjǐnhuì (朱槿會), or the Vermillion Hibiscus Society, a secret society that sought to remove Wu from their proposed country.

In 1787, in response, and inspired by the American Revolt, the Vermillion Hibiscus Society hatched their plan, employing their own Jiading (家丁), or Housemen, soldiers officially employed as household servants, they bloodlessly took over cities, armories, and forts from the Wu garrisons. Wu, unable to militarily retaliate without large amounts of losses and great chance of failure, opted to negotiate a peace with Fusang, which they gladly took.
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Postby Sarderia » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:50 pm

Okay, there are some problems pertaining the History section of the Min app, namely, a blockade wouldn't starve the Wu. The Yangtze River delta has one of the most fertile and productive ricefields in China, if not all Asia. They certainly would sustain the Wu population, as large as they are, and could even able to export it in large numbers. So, they wouldn't starve because of the Min blockade. At best only trade would be stopped.
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Postby The Pearl River » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:50 am

Sarderia wrote:Okay, there are some problems pertaining the History section of the Min app, namely, a blockade wouldn't starve the Wu. The Yangtze River delta has one of the most fertile and productive ricefields in China, if not all Asia. They certainly would sustain the Wu population, as large as they are, and could even able to export it in large numbers. So, they wouldn't starve because of the Min blockade. At best only trade would be stopped.

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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:11 pm

Lan Khao Xang Hom Krung Tai wrote:I, the tuwa, have mimicked Wu's app for Fusang

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@Sarderia @Pearl, I left some comments on discord, mostly relating for navy. I will go over more of both your apps in the morning.
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Postby Da Klan » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:08 pm

Oh one thing for the Wu app (which btw is actually pretty cool though I'm no expert on military numbers so I let the other fellas look at that stuff) I think should be considered is relations between Muslims and the local faiths of Confucianism and Buddhism. IRL a part of the reason why Islamic empires were relatively tolerant towards Christians and Jews was because they were "people of the book" according to the Quran. Of course we can point to the Mughals and the like for Muslims ruling over non-Abrahamic religions with some form of tolerance, but it's important to also consider that the tolerance of the Mughal Empire varied a bit depending on who was emperor. Aurangzeb and Akbar are very different from each other in their approach to governing the non-Muslims, one intentionally pushing sharia and for a more clearly established "Muslim" empire while the other pushed for tolerance and appeasing non-Muslims. You addressed some of this in your history (which was fun to read), but I think something about inter-religious relations should be brought up in the Public Order section of your app.

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Speyland’s app for Brunei is accepted, if we have any other issues we’ll bring it up.
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Da Klan wrote:Oh one thing for the Wu app (which btw is actually pretty cool though I'm no expert on military numbers so I let the other fellas look at that stuff) I think should be considered is relations between Muslims and the local faiths of Confucianism and Buddhism. IRL a part of the reason why Islamic empires were relatively tolerant towards Christians and Jews was because they were "people of the book" according to the Quran. Of course we can point to the Mughals and the like for Muslims ruling over non-Abrahamic religions with some form of tolerance, but it's important to also consider that the tolerance of the Mughal Empire varied a bit depending on who was emperor. Aurangzeb and Akbar are very different from each other in their approach to governing the non-Muslims, one intentionally pushing sharia and for a more clearly established "Muslim" empire while the other pushed for tolerance and appeasing non-Muslims. You addressed some of this in your history (which was fun to read), but I think something about inter-religious relations should be brought up in the Public Order section of your app.

Done and added an inter-religious section in the app. Also fixed the Ship numbers.
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Postby Lan Khao Xang Hom Krung Tai » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:12 am

Dododo, Fusang will rule the east (east relative to China waha)
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Nation Name: The Kingdom of France
Symbols:
Location: 2
Population: 33,567.021
Capital City: Paris
Civilization Status: Great Power

Government Info
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government:
The French Government is a constitutional monarchy. On one hand, there is the Parliament. The Chamber of Peers is in essence of the nobility, it’s members inhering their seats, or being appointed by the King. The Chamber of Deputies is elected, but enfranchisement is not as widespread in the population. In essence, it’s the rich and powerful electing the members of this body. Meanwhile the King is controlling the Government, the Military, and aspects of Foreign Policy.
Ideology: Monarchism, Conservatism/Liberalism
Leader/s: Louis Phillipe the First
Relations

Britain- France maintains an awkward relationship with the UK. It’s not quite the hostility of old, where wars between the two nations were expected. This however, is not to say that the British are friends of the French either. This relationship has seen worse days, that all in mind. Some in France would go further, and say that the two’s best days were ahead. This all said, the opposite could very well be true. It was of the British tendency to not be so keen on the expansionism of other powers, and especially when it came to conflicting interests. Sometimes not even conflicting interests. As such, it was expected that Britain could be an obstacle for French Foreign Policy in India and the Americas.

Central and Eastern Europe- There was a good many things to say about the people’s of Europe, but let’s keep this brief. France didn’t want a unified Germany, and a strong Russia could be a threat to the French position of dominant land power on the continent. The Holy Empire exemplified This worrying trend, however that alliance practice was more to suppress liberal inclinations in those nations. At least France didn’t have to worry about Liberal fervor spreading from abroad. Oh no, it just had to worry about it exploding by itself at home.

Egypt and the Ottomans-
Long gone are the days of the Franco-Ottoman alliance. Napoleon made sure of that. As such, the French find themselves supporting the Egyptians in their stand off with the Ottomans. Russian intervention in their conflict prompted Anglo-French action, and mediation on behalf of the Egyptians. As things stand now, it would be accurate to say Egypt had a supporter out of France. Beyond that, there was something France wanted. It was the possibility of building a canal that would go from the Mediterranean into the Red Sea. Such a construction would be a boon for French trade, and influence. As such, France is in the midst of gradually increasing its local influence.

Spain- France intends to intervene on the side of the Queen, in the Spanish civil war.

The Americas- France doesn’t have the most to say about the Americas, it’s prime in the region gone. But Paris is looking to change that. The Caribbean is an area of interest for France, and the weakness of Spain screams opportunity for French Policy Makers. Beyond that, France enjoys trade with a variety of the nations in the region. From Fusang, to the Anglo settler colonies, to the nations of Latin America. To that’s extent, it will protect its trade. One final note is that Mexico seems to be in continual debt to France, to Paris’s displeasure.

Asia- France has generally amicable relationships with the States of Asia. The competition that might drive conflict isn’t really there. However as the world becomes more connected, and trade deepens, the potential for friends in Asia peaks the interest of some Policy makers.



Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The French are a restless people. They inhabit France, which can be split into two halfs. The Northern, Atlantic part. Then there’s the southern, Mediterranean part. As such, these environments influence French culture. The French heartland is a relatively safe place, given mountainous protection, and oceans, as walls. The main exception being the lowlands.

Religion: Catholic, Protestant, Judaism
Main/Accepted Culture(s): French culture is the main culture,
Other Cultures: Algerian
Military Info
Army:
600,000 Soldiers.
Quality: 9
The French Army is one of the finest, if not the finest, in Europe. If it taking Europe multiple tries to convince you of that, you’ll never be convinced. The arms and munitions of the French Army are modern, and it’s Officers well trained.

The Men of the French Military are professionals, and their service a job. Those who sign up for the French Military are to expect services of long time periods. Conscription was utilized by the First Republic, and Napoleon on their heroic campaigns, but the Monarchy has returned to France’s traditional way of conducting things. As such, the French Army is a mostly voluntary force. There is however some forms of conscription, but that’s mostly for militias.

A notable part of the French Military is the national guard, which supposedly is tasked with suppressing riots and keeping the order. It maintains a presence in French cities, and especially Paris. The National Guard is militarized, and loyal to the Monarchy for now.


Navy:
Number of Ships:

22 Ships of the Line, 36 Frigates, 24 Steam ships.

Quality: 8

The French Navy is an old institution, and one that has seen better days. In older years, the Navy was used to contest the British rule of the seas. It is to be noted that first and foremost France has to be a land power, before it could step into the sea. As seen during the Napoleonic Wars, troubles on land can distract from the coast. As such, recovery from the sound defeat of the French Navy at the hands of the British at the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805.

Gone are the days where the French aspired to but heads with the British on the seas, but the need to do such a thing wasn’t as clear either. The Navy has made a recovery of sorts from the Napoleonic wars, and is prepared to safeguard French expansion abroad. This is notable in the French Navy’s effective assistance during the French Invasion of Algeria.

The French Navy can be divided into three. There are its Naval Force in the Atlantic, the Naval Forces monitoring the Channel, and the ships of the Mediterranean.

The Channel- Ships stationed along the channel protect the Northern parts of France, and from who is obvious. The Naval Superpower on the islands across the channel, and their unpleasant history of crossing it, mandated France had defenses in place.

The Atlantic- In terms of protecting trade, and projecting power, the Atlantic Fleet proves vital. The main expeditionary arm of the French Navy, this Fleet is based in France’s more western ports.

The Mediterranean- France is quite lucky in this regard, being able to excerise power in a greater fashion than most other local powers. This is exemplified during the French Invasion of Algeria. Beyond that, France it protects French trade in the region.


Other Info
Economic Strength:
17- France is a great power, with a large population. It’s on the road to industrialization. It has prestige that allows it access to all sorts of markets. Things could probably be better, with the Napoleonic wars having happened, but it’s fairly solid all things considered. There is however room to improve.

Trade- French Trade relations go all around the world, though it trades with some nations more closely obviously. The European continent is obviously one of France’s biggest trading partners, but the America’s are useful to. That said, it’s most for raw resources. As for Asia, many luxury goods and ideas come from that part of the world, though technology is making trade more and more common.

Industrialization- French Industrialization is a work in progress, as France begins To increasingly recognize the value of the Industrial Revolution. This recognization of course mandates France secure resources for its Industrialization, and make the most of the resources it has at home.

Finance- Paris can safely be said to be the rival of London as a major financial center, Napoleon having opened up this sector with the Central Bank of France. With big names in the industry opening up in France, the Sector is liable to only increase in value as time goes on. Napoleon’s establishment of engineering schools earlier however would ensure that France would be enabled to continue development of it’s internal infrastructure.


Development:
17.

France is a nation that has been able to produce armies that marched across Europe, and the capacity to supply them. With industrialization arriving, railroads are also under construction. This is in addition to French ports, which give it the ability to expand overseas.

Infrastructure- As far as ports go, France has well maintained ports that can export and import goods. France is also in the midst of figuring out how it wants to deploy railroads on a wide-scale. Seeing the importance they provide to the British, it’s only natural to one to develop France’s own systems.


Urbanization: France is a very agricultural nation, with many people living in the countryside. The population center of gravity is around Paris, and Northern France. That all said, the French live on their farms for the most part. This, of course, is subject to change as Industrialization continues,

Public Order:
8-
It honestly could be better. With the overthrow of the British, it displayed the French people were more than willing to act out and dispose a government. For now the government has solidified its position, and there is room to grow. There is, however, room to decline as well.

Goals:
The normalization of Europe’s view of France, the building of alliances in Europe, the outreach to Asia, the pacification of Algeria, the outcome of the Egyptian-Ottoman dispute, and colonial ambitions in India.

History:
Two decades ago, the ending chapters of the Napoleonic wars had been closed. France which had embarrassed the whole of Europe, well, her luck ran out. Ever since, the nation had to come to terms with what it was going to do next. France was to be a great power, but how it went about it was all the more important.

Due to its previous attempt, France now was compelled to take things slower and deal with its internal affairs. With a constitutional monarchy in place, theoretically there was a check on the Bourbon monarchy. There was, but it was a check for the rich and of rank who were given the right to vote. Of course when the July Revolution came, and with it the July monarchy, that reality didn’t change much.

As for its affairs abroad, France walks a tight rope. It looks west, and sees war in Spain. East it sees the grumblings of the Germans. North, a Britain that was intent on building Empire. As for France? Well, it’s invasion of Algeria in the 1830s was its most prominent example of Empire building as of late. However, France wasn’t quite done yet….
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Postby The New Byzantine II » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:02 am

Generic Info
Nation Name: Empire of Ethiopia or Ethiopian Empire vice versa
Symbols:
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Location: 86
Population: 5 million estimate
Capital City: Gondar
Civilization Status: Civilized

Government Info
Government Type: The Ethiopian Empire is under absolute monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: The definition of absolute monarchy is already self-explanatory.
Ideology: Ethiopian nationalism, Ethiopian imperialism (or "African imperialism" as the Ethiopians coined the term), "Ethiopian christianity" and Anti-Islam.
Leader/s: Since the Ethiopian Empire is at the verge of a possible civil war, I will put the faction leaders of their respective factions.
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The supposed picture of the current "Negusa Nagast" Sahle Dengel.


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Relations

Egypt - a clear threat towards Ethiopian sovereignty, the reigning faction are doing diplomatic actions to avoid a possible war with the resurging Egypt in the north.

Aden Protectorate (UK) - friendly relations and trading partners.

Shewa & Kaffa - vassals of the Ethiopian Empire

Warsangali (Somaliland) - A Barbary-type Sultanate that is a pain in the ass because of their annoyance (piracy) which the Imperial economy is always hit by the piracy's collateral damage. In short, Ethiopia despise Warsangali.


Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Citizens under the Ethiopian Empire are really diverse with different ethnicities serving one Empire, making Ethiopia a multicultural empire. The most dominant ethnicity in the Empire are the Oromos who migrated to the Amharic lands during the mid-15th century, the second-most dominant ethnicities are the Amharas which are the "Ethiopians" and the rulers of the Ethiopian Empire. Minor ethnicities such as Somalis, Tigrayans, and Beta Jews are recognized by the Imperial court.
Religion: Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Amharic
Other Cultures: Oromo, Eritrean, Somali, Tigraya, Beta Jew and other hundred minor ethnicities within the Empire

Military Info
Army: The Imperial Army can field up to 500,000 people and they are only equipped with 12,000 rifles, 900 pistols, 20 cannons, 10 mortars and 60 canon shells with most of the forces are equipped with spears. The quality of the Imperial Army is up to 5-6. Currently, the Imperial Army is not centralized due to a possible civil war that is going to occur and that there are specific regiments that have joined the factions already. They will not be centralized anytime soon until the political instability within the Empire is over.
Navy: None, the Empire doesn't have a navy (for now).

Other Info
Economic Strength: Around 10-12, because of the trade treaty with UK - the economy prospers although this'll soon fade away because of the political tensions within the Empire and increased Somali raids from Warsangali. A possible civil war and increased piracy raids would definitely destroy the Imperial economy sometime in the future.
Development: 9-10. Not great but not bad as well, since the Empire has been solely focused on Amharic regions, they are trying to develop Oromo regions to get the sympathy of the Oromo people however due to the political instability that is brewing within the Empire, the development will put into halt if ever civil war ever occurs.
Public Order: 5. Ethiopian Empire is currently not stable. Sahle Dengel is really bad at politics which a lot of advisors are taking advantage of him & the Sultan of Egypt is trying to justify his invasion to Ethiopia as he see Sahle Dengel as a weak Negusa Nagast. Ali II is gathering the military to oust Sahle Dengel and Prince Yohannes III is also gathering his people to restore the Solomonic dynasty.
Goals:
[PUBLIC]
Modernize the Empire in terms of economy, infrastructure and military.
Sort out the political instability first before facing external affairs.
Give equal rights to minor ethnicities to avoid possible rebellions.
Create a navy.
Enter military & economic alliance with the British Empire.

[SECRET]
Invade Horn of Africa
Invade Egypt, reclaim Alexandria and restore Coptic Christianity there.

History: Most of Ethiopia's history stay the same except that they have modern-day Eritrea and Djibouti, possibly taking it from Warsangali years before.
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Postby The Palmetto » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:33 am

We’re kind of cautious about your app, Apror, but you did listen to our suggestions regarding naval/army numbers, so accepted. However, please do not use a casual tone/fourth wall breaks for your posts, and keep in mind we’re wary of you, given your past in Cobalt RPs of wanking.

Your app looks good so far, Byz, but just a note that Ethiopia would still be “uncivilized”. IK that writing the irl history of a nation is boring af, but try to give just 3 short paragraphs, just so we know you understand what your country is like. (BTW, is the army stuff same as irl? IK Ethiopia had at least a few thousand guns in this time period, but I dunno the exact numbers)
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Postby Military Lands of the Scottish People » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:00 am

The Surge Empire wrote:Okay, posting my super WIP app, just so i have the bare bone basics of it down at the least

Generic Info
Nation Name: Kingdom of Spain
Symbols: (ex. Flag, Coat of Arms, National Anthem, personifications, etc.)
Location: 4
Population: 12,286,940 (Circa 1833)
Capital City: Madrid
Civilization Status: Civilized

Government Info
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: Spain is ruled by a Monarch, the Monarch is not bound by a Constitution, however Spain does have a bicameral legislature, the Cortes Generales
Ideology: Conservative liberalism
Leader/s: Queen-Regent Maria Christina of Spain
Relations

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: A Religious People, the Spanish are majority Catholic, the Spanish people are hard working, devoted to their community, and their nation. Spain however is divided between the Conservative Absolutists who wish to see The Carlist Pretender on the Throne, and the Liberals who support the Queen-Regent, and the up and coming Queen Isabella.
Religion: Spain is strongly majority Catholic, though there are a minor amount of Atheists as with all nations. The Catholic Faith is tied to many cultural holidays of Spain, and has cemented the Catholic Faith as the predominate Religion in Spain.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Spanish, Catalan, Basque
Other Cultures:

Military Info
Army: 123K, Quality: 6 - The Spanish Army is split between the Infantry, Artillery, and Calvary, The Infantry is then split between Provincial Militia, organized like Line Infantry, National Militia, Formed during the Peninsula War and affiliated with liberal ideas, and volunteers with Basque Volunteers against the Carlists called Chapelgorris.
Navy: Spanish Navy - 4 - The Spanish Navy was devastated after the 1805 Battle of Trafalgar, and hasn't quite rebuilt up to its former status, no new ships have been build since 1796, and with the construction of 3 ships in 1808 being cancelled under the French Occupation, and the five ships bought from Russia being stricken within 5 years. The Spanish Navy is not in the best state.

Other Info
Economic Strength: 9 - The Spanish Economy has seen Strain, with the nation's lack of industrialization, the loss of its Empire and Navy, and the current ongoing civil war, Spain's Economic Strength has drastically been diminished, but the foundation is there, and Spain can see a revival during the reconstruction period after the civil war.
Development: 11 - Spanish Infrastructure and Industry is not the greatest, as Spain has yet to have anytime to industrialize, and there has been an ongoing civil war for the past 3 years. One that had the rebels nearly capture Madrid. This has damaged the Infrastructure of Spain, not withstanding the damage done by the French occupation, and subsequent uprisings already done to spain.
Public Order: 0 - In the Middle of a Civil War for the past 3 years
Goals: Restore and Maintain some semblance of the Spanish Empire, Restore some powers of the Monarchy, Iberian Union???
History: Spain saw itself grow in the Early 1700s following the Spanish War of Succession, of which saw the Spanish Hapsburg Line go extinct and the House of Bourbon take its place. This was followed by an attempt to retake Italian Lands that belonged to Spain, however despite the Army reaching Italy, the escort fleet was destroyed by the British Navy, and the Spanish Army residing in Italy was pushed out by the Austrians. These Lands would, however, seen their return to Spain during the War of the Polish Succession, following reforms to the Spanish Navy and a shift from long-range escort being the primary focus of Ship design to battles and the firepower of the ship being the focus. The Italian lands would return after the British and Dutch declare their neutrality, and Spain, backed by the French, would be able to push the Austrians back, and stake their Claim to the Italian Lands.

Spain, despite its growth would see it crumble, as time went on, and the Spanish empire in the Americas would be defended, defeat would be leveled at home. While Opposed to the French Revolutionaries, Spain would back Britain's side of the war, but would switch sides in 1796, and would see itself blockaded, albeit not fully successfully. This blockade would be lifted in 1802, but the war that had caused it would recommence in 1804, and within a year would see its Fleet decimated in the Battle of Trafalgar. Spain would invade Portugal in 1807, and would then see itself occupied by the French, leading to an independence war against the French, and an alliance with the British.

The 1820s would see a shift in Spain, with the constitution of 1812 being reestablished for 3 years during 1820-1823, the Loss of most of the Spanish Empire over the course of several decades, and a increasing division of the nation between Liberals and Conservatives. This conflict would come to the forefront in 1833, when the King would pass away, but quickly prior to passing, changed the succession laws, allowing his Daughter to become Queen. This would lead to the Conservatives rallying behind the Carlist Pretender, Infante Carlos, and the Liberals rallying behind the Queen-Regent Maria, as the Late King's daughter was merely 3 years old.
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Okay so first off, please label at the very least the numbers of both the Carlists and Liberals (including quality) as well as going into a bit more detail with them. The Carlists, if I remember correctly, was mostly based off volunteer militias in the North and maybe a few army units. Their high morale however should keep their quality on par with the Liberals. That being said, both are relatively low quality so they should be around 3 or 4. Also, actually provide numbers for the Spanish fleet. DM me if you want help with the Navy and Army on Discord.

Secondly, add a flag.

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Postby Military Lands of the Scottish People » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:44 am

Post incoming. By incoming I mean later today. Mostly about tensions between Jackson and Land Owners, introduction of Davis and Lee into Jacksons inner circle, and the continued development of the Commonwealth Railroad System. Not much for now. Gonna have to build it up haha.
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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:52 pm

Oldenburg, are you on the discord?
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Postby Da Klan » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:57 am

The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:Oldenburg, are you on the discord?

He's Juku on the discord

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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:04 pm

Austria will probably try to pressure the Ottomans a little to see what might happen in the Balkans
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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:10 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:Austria will probably try to pressure the Ottomans a little to see what might happen in the Balkans


Nothing bad could ever happen in the Balkans
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Postby The Palmetto » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:10 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:Austria will probably try to pressure the Ottomans a little to see what might happen in the Balkans


When are the Balkan states joining the Eurozone.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:13 pm

The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Austria will probably try to pressure the Ottomans a little to see what might happen in the Balkans


Nothing bad could ever happen in the Balkans

I am sadly not that well versed in Austrian interests in the Balkans in this time period, mostly because they had very limited interests in the Danubian Principalities, but nothing that I can't improvise :P
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