New Rules
New Gameplay mechanics
NPC civilizations
Character Application Update
The Map
Resolving conflicts since the Time Skip
Etc.
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:26 pm
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:28 pm
by Orostan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:30 pm
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by G-Tech Corporation » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:35 pm
by Orostan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:37 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:100% for 5 years. We're just firing up player to player contacts in the Mediterranean Basin, and there are plenty of stories which should be RPed out that need done.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:41 pm
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:42 pm
Orostan wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:100% for 5 years. We're just firing up player to player contacts in the Mediterranean Basin, and there are plenty of stories which should be RPed out that need done.
The Imperium has just defeated its biggest enemy in the Commonwealth and the other player empires are relatively far away, right? Wouldn't a much longer time skip make those contacts across the Mediterranean more frequent and also mean the Imperium could have borders and interests with some of the more far off player empires that go beyond curiosity?
by G-Tech Corporation » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:42 pm
Orostan wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:100% for 5 years. We're just firing up player to player contacts in the Mediterranean Basin, and there are plenty of stories which should be RPed out that need done.
The Imperium has just defeated its biggest enemy in the Commonwealth and the other player empires are relatively far away, right? Wouldn't a much longer time skip make those contacts across the Mediterranean more frequent and also mean the Imperium could have borders and interests with some of the more far off player empires that go beyond curiosity?
by Hatzic » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:43 pm
Joohan wrote:If I may, i'd like to start discussing the rise of actual NPC civ's. With the expansion and rise of proper Auth civ's across the world, I think it's time that actual opponents begin to rise against them in the form of native resistance. Places which are able to stand a chance, on account of technological diffusion. A few places I had in mind chiefly:
Seperate civ's in the east and west balkans
A fully realized Egypt
independent maritime cities rising up along the red sea
independent maritime cities rising up along the eastern Mediterranean
the Baltics
the Carpathians
west Germany/Benelux
and perhaps some situation arising in Scandanavia proper.
what do y'all think?
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:46 pm
Hatzic wrote:Joohan wrote:If I may, i'd like to start discussing the rise of actual NPC civ's. With the expansion and rise of proper Auth civ's across the world, I think it's time that actual opponents begin to rise against them in the form of native resistance. Places which are able to stand a chance, on account of technological diffusion. A few places I had in mind chiefly:
Seperate civ's in the east and west balkans
A fully realized Egypt
independent maritime cities rising up along the red sea
independent maritime cities rising up along the eastern Mediterranean
the Baltics
the Carpathians
west Germany/Benelux
and perhaps some situation arising in Scandanavia proper.
what do y'all think?
Still no NPC Civs in the Americas... cringe and ubased.
by Orostan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:47 pm
Joohan wrote:If I may, i'd like to start discussing the rise of actual NPC civ's. With the expansion and rise of proper Auth civ's across the world, I think it's time that actual opponents begin to rise against them in the form of native resistance. Places which are able to stand a chance, on account of technological diffusion. A few places I had in mind chiefly:
Seperate civ's in the east and west balkans
A fully realized Egypt
independent maritime cities rising up along the red sea
independent maritime cities rising up along the eastern Mediterranean
the Baltics
the Carpathians
west Germany/Benelux
and perhaps some situation arising in Scandanavia proper.
what do y'all think?
Joohan wrote:Orostan wrote:The Imperium has just defeated its biggest enemy in the Commonwealth and the other player empires are relatively far away, right? Wouldn't a much longer time skip make those contacts across the Mediterranean more frequent and also mean the Imperium could have borders and interests with some of the more far off player empires that go beyond curiosity?
Dusk Union, Nestos, and crimea are all only like a day or two away at most.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by G-Tech Corporation » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:48 pm
Joohan wrote:Orostan wrote:The Imperium has just defeated its biggest enemy in the Commonwealth and the other player empires are relatively far away, right? Wouldn't a much longer time skip make those contacts across the Mediterranean more frequent and also mean the Imperium could have borders and interests with some of the more far off player empires that go beyond curiosity?
Dusk Union, Nestos, and crimea are all only like a day or two away at most.
Joohan wrote:If I may, i'd like to start discussing the rise of actual NPC civ's. With the expansion and rise of proper Auth civ's across the world, I think it's time that actual opponents begin to rise against them in the form of native resistance. Places which are able to stand a chance, on account of technological diffusion. A few places I had in mind chiefly:
Seperate civ's in the east and west balkans
A fully realized Egypt
independent maritime cities rising up along the red sea
independent maritime cities rising up along the eastern Mediterranean
the Baltics
the Carpathians
west Germany/Benelux
and perhaps some situation arising in Scandanavia proper.
what do y'all think?
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:52 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:I can't see any problems with any of those, minus the west/south Baltics - those were directly annexed by the Imperium out from under the Commonwealth occupation, more or less.
You should probably also consult with Caines about the East Balkans though. He seems to be under the impressions that the settled peoples there, including most of the Tribal Alliance and the Cucuteni, were going to be part of the Associations after the timeskip.
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:55 pm
by G-Tech Corporation » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:56 pm
Joohan wrote:I thought more on the less side from what I was reading. Weren't they just taken over as an emergency measure by the Imperium during the war? I didn't think that the Imperium would actually intend to occupy an area so far out of it's way, and so linked to an enemy civilization.
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:00 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Lazarian wrote:I've thought about bringing Mark back in the wake of the Commonwealth's collapse, though it seems like any state that rose up would inevitably become a client state of the Imperium.
Quite the opposite. I'd wager Scandinavia is going to be a mess of infighting, raiding, warlordism, and generalized chaos for at least a generation or two. We don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole.Joohan wrote:I thought more on the less side from what I was reading. Weren't they just taken over as an emergency measure by the Imperium during the war? I didn't think that the Imperium would actually intend to occupy an area so far out of it's way, and so linked to an enemy civilization.
Ish. More the Imperium sponsored localized uprisings and the local tribes in throwing off the Commonwealth settlers and slavers, after the Commonwealth garrisons were withdrawn to the fighting in Denmark. There's probably an unholy patchwork of Republics and Imperiums where the Great Companies didn't actually set foot, with local tribes aping the customs of their neighbors, but in the areas where the soldiers actually traveled, integration was the rule of thumb. We actually had a good land/river route there up the rivers from the interior of Poland, and with Gdansk settled, also a direct sea route.
by G-Tech Corporation » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:04 pm
Joohan wrote:Integration? Those area's are no doubt more Nordic than they are imperial - certainly the settled areas. Gdansk likewise would be incredible hostile to occupation. Be a bit like Armenia between the Romans and Sassanids, only with less religious cohesion.
by Saxony-Brandenburg » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:09 pm
by Endem » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:12 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Joohan wrote:Integration? Those area's are no doubt more Nordic than they are imperial - certainly the settled areas. Gdansk likewise would be incredible hostile to occupation. Be a bit like Armenia between the Romans and Sassanids, only with less religious cohesion.
Oh they aren't Imperial - but they're more anti-Nordic than anything else. The Commonwealth pursued a process of colonization from Scandinavia, and enslaving, only integrating those who accepted the settlers, if memory serves. That should have made the coast rather happy to be rid of their yoke. Gdansk, also, I don't see being particularly hostile - aside from the city itself. The small area of the Federation was conquered by force and the terror of the Czarts, as well as poison and torture. And I bet the use of an unaccountable terror force within the city itself probably didn't make the government overly popular with the average Gdansker.
That aside, both Gdansk and the integrated Baltics face a demographic problem - being depopulated from war and enslavement. Even if there are hostile elements knocking about in terms of Imperial rule, we're talking a few dozen malcontents. The strategic position of Gdansk easily justifies a garrison capable of keeping a lid on any Czart-sympathizers.
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:13 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Joohan wrote:Integration? Those area's are no doubt more Nordic than they are imperial - certainly the settled areas. Gdansk likewise would be incredible hostile to occupation. Be a bit like Armenia between the Romans and Sassanids, only with less religious cohesion.
Oh they aren't Imperial - but they're more anti-Nordic than anything else. The Commonwealth pursued a process of colonization from Scandinavia, and enslaving, only integrating those who accepted the settlers, if memory serves. That should have made the coast rather happy to be rid of their yoke. Gdansk, also, I don't see being particularly hostile - aside from the city itself. The small area of the Federation was conquered by force and the terror of the Czarts, as well as poison and torture. And I bet the use of an unaccountable terror force within the city itself probably didn't make the government overly popular with the average Gdansker.
That aside, both Gdansk and the integrated Baltics face a demographic problem - being depopulated from war and enslavement. Even if there are hostile elements knocking about in terms of Imperial rule, we're talking a few dozen malcontents. The strategic position of Gdansk easily justifies a garrison capable of keeping a lid on any Czart-sympathizers.
by G-Tech Corporation » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:18 pm
Joohan wrote:But didn't Imperial forces attack specifically those area's settled by the Commonwealth? Unless i'm mistaken, the imperium wasn't going about integrating those people's unassociated with the the Commonwealth. That would leave only those settlements in the far north of the Baltics, and Gdansk. In the case of the former colonies at Estonia and Lativa, of course the Imperium is going to face resistance to occupation, there, as the people are more friendly to the Nords.
The rest of the baltics might be grateful to the Imperium, but they're not being occupied, and indeed, stand at the cross roads between two different civilizations, and would be the beneficiaries to a vast amount of technological diffusion - unless i'm missing something.
by Ralnis » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:36 pm
by Joohan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:39 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Joohan wrote:But didn't Imperial forces attack specifically those area's settled by the Commonwealth? Unless i'm mistaken, the imperium wasn't going about integrating those people's unassociated with the the Commonwealth. That would leave only those settlements in the far north of the Baltics, and Gdansk. In the case of the former colonies at Estonia and Lativa, of course the Imperium is going to face resistance to occupation, there, as the people are more friendly to the Nords.
The rest of the baltics might be grateful to the Imperium, but they're not being occupied, and indeed, stand at the cross roads between two different civilizations, and would be the beneficiaries to a vast amount of technological diffusion - unless i'm missing something.
I might be wrong, but I believe the Commonwealth held, at one point, effective control over the entirety of the Baltics east of Gdansk below the Gulf of Finland. The Imperium expelled those local militias and governments that the Commonwealth had set up, but I doubt there was much in terms of genuine military conflict, given the formal Guards there withdrawn to Denmark.
So, you're right in that the Imperium wouldn't have gone about integrating peoples unassociated with the Commonwealth. I imagine the band of control only extends a few dozens miles from the sea, if that. But it did replace the occupying forces, setting up local entities as Wardens and Firstmen, after the standard Imperial customs. You could probably technically consider it vassalage instead of integration, like most of the Imperium, since we didn't bring in outside people.
If you're talking about the tribes further inland, where the Commonwealth never got to, then yes - those peoples are not under Imperial governance, save where they might have voluntarily integrated. It isn't our way to show up and just start killing until people bow down, at least not most of the time.
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