Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:07 pm
Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.
Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
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Chewion wrote:Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.
Wasi State wrote:Chewion wrote:Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.
I'm surprised he even is considering fulfilling their demands, I won't go into details but it won't end too well for West Germany, like really not well for them in both the short and long term. Unless Math really wants GOOD IDEAS (they're not good ideas, unless you want drama and chaos I guess).
Monsone wrote:Is Flanders-Wallonia going to accept Mitterrand's offer of aid?
Wasi State wrote:Chewion wrote:Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.
I'm surprised he even is considering fulfilling their demands, I won't go into details but it won't end too well for West Germany, like really not well for them in both the short and long term. Unless Math really wants GOOD IDEAS (they're not good ideas, unless you want drama and chaos I guess).
Monsone wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:You will quickly find yourself ecomically sanctioned and at war.
West Germany gave up it's economic leverage by leaving the EEC and NATO. Your sanctions are going to be pretty useless (oh the horror, there are no more Mercedes-Benz), and declaring war on Israel deson't have good optics for Germany.
American Pere Housh wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:You will quickly find yourself ecomically sanctioned and at war.
Do you really think the United States is going to let you do anything to Israel? Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world even in 1970 so we can easily hide who assassinated your fascists.
Mathuvan Union wrote:American Pere Housh wrote:Do you really think the United States is going to let you do anything to Israel? Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world even in 1970 so we can easily hide who assassinated your fascists.
I mean, do you think they would do much to us?
They have every right to be annoyed, but so do we.
Assassinating anyone in German territory (either part) the Kaiserreich would declare to be a violation of our sovereignty and demand the UN to take action.
Along with a nice condemnation
Greater Liverpool wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:I mean, do you think they would do much to us?
They have every right to be annoyed, but so do we.
Assassinating anyone in German territory (either part) the Kaiserreich would declare to be a violation of our sovereignty and demand the UN to take action.
Along with a nice condemnation
Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.
Mathuvan Union wrote:Greater Liverpool wrote:
Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.
I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals
The Palmetto wrote:Sorry if I missed this in the OP, but is there any equivalent to the EEC/WEU in Europe right now? I'm contemplating doing something in Europe or Africa, but I wanna know the dynamic going on in Western Europe before I reserve anything.
Wasi State wrote:The Palmetto wrote:Sorry if I missed this in the OP, but is there any equivalent to the EEC/WEU in Europe right now? I'm contemplating doing something in Europe or Africa, but I wanna know the dynamic going on in Western Europe before I reserve anything.
There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.
The Palmetto wrote:Wasi State wrote:There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.
I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.
Wasi State wrote:The Palmetto wrote:
I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.
I mean that isn't the biggest stretch with the POD I've seen here, for one thing there's 4th German Reich in terms of their still being a monarchy, an Imperial Federation from the British Isles. And the SS still lurking around as a terrorist organization decades after WWII.
The Palmetto wrote:Wasi State wrote:There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.
I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.
Monsone wrote:The Palmetto wrote:
I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.
I like the idea, but the main issue is overcoming some tensions between Spain and Portugal as well as deposing two of Europe's most paranoid dictators.
Mathuvan Union wrote:Greater Liverpool wrote:
Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.
I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals
American Pere Housh wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals
Do you really think I'm gonna announce that I have spies in Germany? No I am not. You seem to forget that I have German Jews who can blend flawlessly into West German society. Israel will not allow fascism to run rampant like it did over 25 years ago.
Mathuvan Union wrote:American Pere Housh wrote:Do you really think I'm gonna announce that I have spies in Germany? No I am not. You seem to forget that I have German Jews who can blend flawlessly into West German society. Israel will not allow fascism to run rampant like it did over 25 years ago.
Why on earth not? What the hell did fascism do to make it that bad that such a tiny irrelevant country must send spies to Germany?