1970s: Global Wrath (Early MT/OOC/OPEN)

[Mathuvan Union]

1) you realise east Pakistan was Bangladesh
2) wait, so West Bromwich Holme gets to decide what happens in my borders?

Berlin isn't in West Germany at all in this RP....

Somehow I managed to see ‘West Germany’
I question my sanity.

[Mathuvan Union]

Berlin isn't in West Germany at all in this RP....

Also it's not like the lives of every citizen in a country can or really should be dictated by one sole player. It helps to spice things up a bit and clearly in this case wasn't godmodding.

Yeah, but it’s not like a soldier would go up and randomly shoot someone Chinese. This isn’t the US.

[Monsone]

1) you realise east Pakistan was Bangladesh
2) wait, so West Bromwich Holme gets to decide what happens in my borders?

1) Not yet. East Pakistan is still East Pakistan in Pakistani eyes but there is an ongoing war and independence movement to free East Pakistan and form Bangladesh. IRL Bangladesh came into being in 1971. It's 1970 at the moment.

2) I mean, you can claim East Germany as you're land, but it's de-jure independent and it's own country.

[Monsone]

Also it's not like the lives of every citizen in a country can or really should be dictated by one sole player. It helps to spice things up a bit and clearly in this case wasn't godmodding.

Yeah, but it’s not like a soldier would go up and randomly shoot someone Chinese. This isn’t the US.

I'll admit that it's highly unlikely that an East German soldier would shoot someone in the middle of Berlin. Though it's possible the person was trying to attack someone or possibly was ploting some other malicious act. Though in this case I'd say racial discrimination wouldn't be the case for the shooting since an East German soldier would have no reason to do so unless there was a threat to the lives of the people of East Germany and/or the soldier.

[Mathuvan Union]

1) you realise east Pakistan was Bangladesh
2) wait, so West Bromwich Holme gets to decide what happens in my borders?

1) Not yet. East Pakistan is still East Pakistan in Pakistani eyes but there is an ongoing war and independence movement to free East Pakistan and form Bangladesh. IRL Bangladesh came into being in 1971. It's 1970 at the moment.

2) I mean, you can claim East Germany as you're land, but it's de-jure independent and it's own country.

1) face palm
2) facepalm

[Monsone]

Home Fleet (Metropolitan France, French Guyana, and New Caledonia)

1 Clemenceau Class Aircraft Carrier
1 Jeanne d’Arc Class Helicopter Cruiser
1 Richelieu Class Battleship
1 De Grasse Class Cruiser
7 T 47 Class Destroyers
5 T 53 Class Destroyers
5 Commandant Riviere Class Frigates
8 Le Normand Class Frigates
10 Bay Class Minesweepers
1 Ouragan Class Landing Platform Dock
10 EDIC Class Large Landing Craft
4 Daphne Class Diesel-Electric Attack Submarines
5 Narval Class Diesel-Electric Attack Submarines
3 Arethuse Class Attack Submarines

Algerian Fleet (Algeria)

1 Clemenceau Class Aircraft Carrier
1 Jeanne d’Arc Class Helicopter Cruiser
1 Richelieu Class Battleship
1 De Grasse Class Cruiser
5 T 47 Class Destroyers
2 T 53 Class Destroyers
5 Le Corse Class Frigates
5 Commandant Riviere Class Frigates
5 Le Normand Class Frigates
5 Bay Class Minesweepers
1 Ouragan Class Landing Platform Dock
5 EDIC Class Large Landing Craft
4 Daphne Class Diesel-Electric Attack Submarines
2 Narval Class Diesel-Electric Attack Submarines
3 Arethuse Class Attack Submarines

Red Sea Fleet (Djibouti)

2 T 47 Class Destroyers
2 Le Corse Class Frigates
2 Commandant Riviere Class Frigates
3 Le Normand Class Frigates
5 Bay Class Minesweepers
1 Ouragan Class Landing Platform Dock
5 EDIC Class Large Landing Craft
4 Daphne Class Diesel-Electric Attack Submarines
3 Arethuse Class Attack Submarines

French Air Force

Aircraft:

225 Dassault Mirage IIIE/D (Multirole Fighters)
75 Dassault Mirage IIIC/B (Multirole Fighters)
75 Dassault Mirage 5F (Ground Attack Fighters)
75 Dassault Super Mystere (Multirole Fighter Aircraft)
75 North American F-100D/F (Multirole Fighter Aircraft)
75 Dassault Mirage IV (Supersonic Bomber)
15 Nord 260 (Transport Aircraft)
45 Aerospatiale N262 (Transport Aircraft)
45 Transall C-160F (Transport Aircraft)
30 Lockheed C-130H (Transport Aircraft)
15 Cessna 310 (Transport/Trainer Aircraft)
15 Cessna 411 (Transport/Trainer Aircraft)
15 Dassault Falcon 20 (Transport Aircraft)
5 707-320B (Transport Aircraft)
10 Sud Aviation Caravelle VI-R
15 Breguet 941 (Transport Aircraft)
150 Max Holste MH.1521 Broussard (Transport Aircraft)
30 KC-135F (Aerial Refueling Aircraft)
45 Nord 3202B1B (Basic Trainer Aircraft)
45 Nord Noralpha (Basic Trainer Aircraft)
45 Morane-Saulnier MS.760 Paris (Jet Trainer Aircraft)
75 Fouga CM.170-1 Magister

Helicopters:

75 Aerospatiale SA 330B (Transport Helicopters)
150 Sikorsky S-58T (Multi-Purpose Helicopters)
225 Aerospatiale Alouette III (Multi-Purpose Helicopters)
225 Aerospatiale Alouette II (Multi-Purpose Helicopters)

Air Defence Equipment:

150 R440 Crotale Launchers (Short Range SAM)
150 RSE Kriens (Short Range SAM)
150 MIM-23 Hawk Launchers (Medium Range SAM)
150 MIM-14 Nike Hercules Launchers (Long Range SAM)(10 Sights)

French Army

Equiptment

Small Arms:

MAC Mle 1950 (Service Pistol)
FN FAL (Service Rifle)
MAS-49 (Reserve Use Only)(In 7.62 NATO)
FR F1 (Service Sniper Rifle)(In 7.5 French)
MAT-49 (Service Submachine Gun)
FN MAG (Service GPMG)
AA-52 (Reserve GPMG)(In 7.62 NATO)
Browning M2HB (Service HMG)
M20A1 Super Bazooka (Service Anti-Tank Weapon)

Mortars:

5,500 Brandt Mle 1935 (60mm)
3,500 Brandt Mle 27/31 (81mm)

Artillery:

1,500 M101A1 105mm (Towed Howitzer)
1,500 Obusier de 155mm Modele 50 (Towed Howitzer)
900 Mk 62 105mm (Self-Propelled Artillery)
750 Mk F3 155mm (Self-Propelled Artillery)
750 Batignolles Chatillon 155mm (Self-Propelled Artillery)
450 MGR-1B Honest John Launchers (Unguided Rocket Artillery)(Nuclear Capable)

Vehicles:

1,500 AMX-30B (MBT)
900 M47 Patton (MBT)(Fitted with French 105mm gun)
2,500 AMX-13/90 (Light Tank)
750 Panhard AML-90 (Armored Car)
750 Panhard AML-60-20 (Armored Car)
750 Panhard EBR Modele 1963 (Armored Car)
4,500 AMX-VCI (APC)
2,500 M113A1 (APC)
450 AMX-13 DCA (Self-Propelled Anti-Air)

Organization:

Army of France (Metropolitan France, French Guyana, and New Caledonia)

[225,000 Troops]

Army of Algeria (Algeria):

[150,000 Troops]

Army of Djibouti (Djibouti):

[75,000 Troops]

[Chewion]

Any tips on sites for my ORBAT?

[Monsone]

Any tips on sites for my ORBAT?

Wikipedia is a suprisingly good source for ORBATs.

[Bentus]

Any tips on sites for my ORBAT?

Wikipedia is a suprisingly good source for ORBATs.

Finding historical lists is a pain in the arse, though. WIkipedia doesn't offer much in the way of an Indian ORBAT from 1970, for example, even if it is pretty good for the modern military. The best source I ended up finding was a declassified document from the CIA: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom ... 0003-0.pdf. There might be something similar on the US?

[Mathuvan Union]

Wikipedia is a suprisingly good source for ORBATs.

Finding historical lists is a pain in the arse, though. WIkipedia doesn't offer much in the way of an Indian ORBAT from 1970, for example, even if it is pretty good for the modern military. The best source I ended up finding was a declassified document from the CIA: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom ... 0003-0.pdf. There might be something similar on the US?

I wish west Germany had one of those.

[Arvenia]

Why hasn't Kenobot answered my TG in the IC thread?

[Kenobot]

Why hasn't Kenobot answered my TG in the IC thread?

I'm putting together a larger IC post that responds to you and more. There is a 3 paragraph rule after all

[Mathuvan Union]

Why hasn't Kenobot answered my TG in the IC thread?

I'm putting together a larger IC post that responds to you and more. There is a 3 paragraph rule after all

I hate that rule and now I have to deal with terrorists torturing my emperor.

[Union Princes]

I hate that rule and now I have to deal with terrorists torturing my emperor.

If you don't like that rule, then why are you playing? Three paragraphs is the requirement to be active here.

[Mathuvan Union]

I hate that rule and now I have to deal with terrorists torturing my emperor.

If you don't like that rule, then why are you playing? Three paragraphs is the requirement to be active here.

No, I’m saying it’s a bit annoying but I can handle it.

[West Bromwich Holme]

Also it's not like the lives of every citizen in a country can or really should be dictated by one sole player. It helps to spice things up a bit and clearly in this case wasn't godmodding.

Yeah, but it’s not like a soldier would go up and randomly shoot someone Chinese. This isn’t the US.

I apologise for that. I was trying to add some historical realism on anti-Chinese sentiment after trying to do the research, but this was a bit of an epic fail here. I wasn't trying to godmode in any way.

[Mathuvan Union]

Yeah, but it’s not like a soldier would go up and randomly shoot someone Chinese. This isn’t the US.

I apologise for that. I was trying to add some historical realism on anti-Chinese sentiment after trying to do the research, but this was a bit of an epic fail here. I wasn't trying to godmode in any way.

No, I’m aware there was sinophobia in West Germany but my soldiers wouldn’t do that...

[Monsone]

I apologise for that. I was trying to add some historical realism on anti-Chinese sentiment after trying to do the research, but this was a bit of an epic fail here. I wasn't trying to godmode in any way.

No, I’m aware there was sinophobia in West Germany but my soldiers wouldn’t do that...

Again. Berlin is East Germany.

[Mathuvan Union]

No, I’m aware there was sinophobia in West Germany but my soldiers wouldn’t do that...

Again. Berlin is East Germany.

I. Hate. Berlin.

[American Pere Housh]

How is that going to work?

Well remember the last two Arab-Israeli wars? That went swimmingly, hey?
But also there's no point as long as the Israelis also respect the rights of Palestinians inside their borders. Besides, there's bigger fish to fry and we'd like to not make unnecessary enemies

EDIT: Also IC post is up!

In this Israel, Palestinians are Israeli citizens and thus have equal rights to their Jewish,Christian and Druze counterparts. I am willing to be friends with you but wouldn't that piss off your other Arab allies?

[Kenobot]

Well remember the last two Arab-Israeli wars? That went swimmingly, hey?
But also there's no point as long as the Israelis also respect the rights of Palestinians inside their borders. Besides, there's bigger fish to fry and we'd like to not make unnecessary enemies

EDIT: Also IC post is up!

In this Israel, Palestinians are Israeli citizens and thus have equal rights to their Jewish,Christian and Druze counterparts. I am willing to be friends with you but wouldn't that piss off your other Arab allies?

They aren't big fans of us given we are more a socialist-social democracy leaning republic whereas they are reactionary monarchies. Plus we are comprised of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and occupied Saudi Arabia, so we already control the good and important parts of the Arab world.
But peace between us is ideal given our ambitions

[Greater Liverpool]

So who here is ready to get involved in Mexican politics.

[American Pere Housh]

In this Israel, Palestinians are Israeli citizens and thus have equal rights to their Jewish,Christian and Druze counterparts. I am willing to be friends with you but wouldn't that piss off your other Arab allies?

They aren't big fans of us given we are more a socialist-social democracy leaning republic whereas they are reactionary monarchies. Plus we are comprised of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and occupied Saudi Arabia, so we already control the good and important parts of the Arab world.
But peace between us is ideal given our ambitions

IC post up. If we can become allies, I can assist you in taking the remaining independent Arab nations and maybe together we can take out Gaddafi in Libya.

[American Pere Housh]

So who here is ready to get involved in Mexican politics.

Israel has no interest in Mexican politics.

[Monsone]

IC post up. If we can become allies, I can assist you in taking the remaining independent Arab nations and maybe together we can take out Gaddafi in Libya.

Gaddafi was pro-Nasserist and is also pro-UAR. He was that way IRL and since he is an NPC he is also that way in this RP. There would be no need to go to war over Libya to take it.

Tunisia and Lebanon are whole other stories though, as are the Trucial States.