1970s: Global Wrath (Early MT/OOC/OPEN)

[Chewion]

Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.

[Wasi State]

Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.

I'm surprised he even is considering fulfilling their demands, I won't go into details but it won't end too well for West Germany, like really not well for them in both the short and long term. Unless Math really wants GOOD IDEAS (they're not good ideas, unless you want drama and chaos I guess).

[Monsone]

Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.

I'm surprised he even is considering fulfilling their demands, I won't go into details but it won't end too well for West Germany, like really not well for them in both the short and long term. Unless Math really wants GOOD IDEAS (they're not good ideas, unless you want drama and chaos I guess).

Is Flanders-Wallonia going to accept Mitterrand's offer of aid?

[Wasi State]

Is Flanders-Wallonia going to accept Mitterrand's offer of aid?

Yes I was going to be addressed in my upcoming post, though given the situation at hand in Brussels, there's an obvious concern that the sight of a heavy presence of foreign soldiers (even NATO ones) in the capital might end up inciting more unrest as the locals end up possibly losing more confidence in the Government's ability to handle the situation. However inviting security experts, advisors, and intelligence officers and NATO MPs to the capital would likely do more good as the issue in the capital isn't a manpower one, but rather one of intel and ability to enforce with clear authority.

Actual French ground forces would likely be instructed to help build on the Benelux-German border with the Flemish-Walloon forces already there.

[Mathuvan Union]

Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.

I'm surprised he even is considering fulfilling their demands, I won't go into details but it won't end too well for West Germany, like really not well for them in both the short and long term. Unless Math really wants GOOD IDEAS (they're not good ideas, unless you want drama and chaos I guess).

Why have I not been nicknamed chaos yet
I don’t really have a good option because there aren’t.
I doubt that the BND is even in a state that they can do covert operations like one taking the Kaiser.

[Mathuvan Union]

You will quickly find yourself ecomically sanctioned and at war.

West Germany gave up it's economic leverage by leaving the EEC and NATO. Your sanctions are going to be pretty useless (oh the horror, there are no more Mercedes-Benz), and declaring war on Israel deson't have good optics for Germany.

Actually there’s no more Messerschmitt either because they haven’t bellied up yet.
I’m still in the EEC, by the way. I would find it good leverage for the UAR so I can get some oil.

[Mathuvan Union]

You will quickly find yourself ecomically sanctioned and at war.

Do you really think the United States is going to let you do anything to Israel? Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world even in 1970 so we can easily hide who assassinated your fascists.

I mean, do you think they would do much to us?
They have every right to be annoyed, but so do we.
Assassinating anyone in German territory (either part) the Kaiserreich would declare to be a violation of our sovereignty and demand the UN to take action.
Along with a nice condemnation

[Greater Liverpool]

Do you really think the United States is going to let you do anything to Israel? Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world even in 1970 so we can easily hide who assassinated your fascists.

I mean, do you think they would do much to us?
They have every right to be annoyed, but so do we.
Assassinating anyone in German territory (either part) the Kaiserreich would declare to be a violation of our sovereignty and demand the UN to take action.
Along with a nice condemnation

Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.

[Mathuvan Union]

I mean, do you think they would do much to us?
They have every right to be annoyed, but so do we.
Assassinating anyone in German territory (either part) the Kaiserreich would declare to be a violation of our sovereignty and demand the UN to take action.
Along with a nice condemnation

Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.

I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals

[Greater Liverpool]

Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.

I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals

Well if you going to threaten a country but do nothing to try and follow it up they can do what they like

[Sao Nova Europa]

Cough

Britain, Greece (me) has made an offer on Cyprus

Cough

[Mathuvan Union]

I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals

Well if you going to threaten a country but do nothing to try and follow it up they can do what they like

Who said I wouldn’t though?

[The Palmetto]

Sorry if I missed this in the OP, but is there any equivalent to the EEC/WEU in Europe right now? I'm contemplating doing something in Europe or Africa, but I wanna know the dynamic going on in Western Europe before I reserve anything.

[Wasi State]

Sorry if I missed this in the OP, but is there any equivalent to the EEC/WEU in Europe right now? I'm contemplating doing something in Europe or Africa, but I wanna know the dynamic going on in Western Europe before I reserve anything.

There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.

[The Palmetto]

Sorry if I missed this in the OP, but is there any equivalent to the EEC/WEU in Europe right now? I'm contemplating doing something in Europe or Africa, but I wanna know the dynamic going on in Western Europe before I reserve anything.

There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.

I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.

[Wasi State]

There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.

I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.

I mean that isn't the biggest stretch with the POD I've seen here, for one thing there's 4th German Reich in terms of their still being a monarchy, an Imperial Federation from the British Isles. And the SS still lurking around as a terrorist organization decades after WWII.

[The Palmetto]

I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.

I mean that isn't the biggest stretch with the POD I've seen here, for one thing there's 4th German Reich in terms of their still being a monarchy, an Imperial Federation from the British Isles. And the SS still lurking around as a terrorist organization decades after WWII.

Fair enough, I'll reserve my idea if the OP approves it, just to be sure.

[Monsone]

There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.

I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.

I like the idea, but the main issue is overcoming some tensions between Spain and Portugal as well as deposing two of Europe's most paranoid dictators.

[The Palmetto]

I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.

I like the idea, but the main issue is overcoming some tensions between Spain and Portugal as well as deposing two of Europe's most paranoid dictators.

That's fair, I was contemplating something specific/unlikely, like them being paranoid of the West & USSR, so them further integrating their political and economic systems to try and become more self-sufficient. I was potentially thinking something would've happened to make Portugal a puppet of Spain, potentially Salazar dying in the 50s and Spain orchestrating a coup in the chaos, but that's a very unlikely and specific set of circumstances. I'd imagine that wouldn't be good for stability in either nation, though, which would've lead to a coup/revolution in the late 60s, with 1970 serving as a period of transition and instability. Like the Carnation Revolution come earlier.

It really depends on how much you're willing to stretch, I like the idea of being a political mess trying to reform itself into something viable, but I won't do anything you feel doesn't fit with the setting.

[American Pere Housh]

Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.

I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals

Do you really think I'm gonna announce that I have spies in Germany? No I am not. You seem to forget that I have German Jews who can blend flawlessly into West German society. Israel will not allow fascism to run rampant like it did over 25 years ago.

[Chewion]

Japan I’m sorry I forgot to reply to you. Can you DM me and we can discuss doing a summit over it and I can add in a reply into my post.

[Mathuvan Union]

I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals

Do you really think I'm gonna announce that I have spies in Germany? No I am not. You seem to forget that I have German Jews who can blend flawlessly into West German society. Israel will not allow fascism to run rampant like it did over 25 years ago.

Why on earth not? What the hell did fascism do to make it that bad that such a tiny irrelevant country must send spies to Germany?

[Kenobot]

Do you really think I'm gonna announce that I have spies in Germany? No I am not. You seem to forget that I have German Jews who can blend flawlessly into West German society. Israel will not allow fascism to run rampant like it did over 25 years ago.

Why on earth not? What the hell did fascism do to make it that bad that such a tiny irrelevant country must send spies to Germany?

Are you trolling? Because that's really not something to joke about

[Mathuvan Union]

Why on earth not? What the hell did fascism do to make it that bad that such a tiny irrelevant country must send spies to Germany?

Are you trolling? Because that's really not something to joke about

that wasn't fascism that was national socialism with lashings of fascism

[Kenobot]

Are you trolling? Because that's really not something to joke about

that wasn't fascism that was national socialism with lashings of fascism

Hmmm could it have to do with fascist collaboration with National Socialism during the Second World War like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_war_crimes_in_Italy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Hungary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... _Holocaust