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by Wasi State » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:12 pm
Chewion wrote:Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.
by Monsone » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:30 pm
Wasi State wrote:Chewion wrote:Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.
I'm surprised he even is considering fulfilling their demands, I won't go into details but it won't end too well for West Germany, like really not well for them in both the short and long term. Unless Math really wants GOOD IDEAS (they're not good ideas, unless you want drama and chaos I guess).
by Wasi State » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:46 pm
Monsone wrote:Is Flanders-Wallonia going to accept Mitterrand's offer of aid?
by Mathuvan Union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:46 am
Wasi State wrote:Chewion wrote:Look refuse the demands and I’ll help find the Kaiser.
I'm surprised he even is considering fulfilling their demands, I won't go into details but it won't end too well for West Germany, like really not well for them in both the short and long term. Unless Math really wants GOOD IDEAS (they're not good ideas, unless you want drama and chaos I guess).
by Mathuvan Union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:48 am
Monsone wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:You will quickly find yourself ecomically sanctioned and at war.
West Germany gave up it's economic leverage by leaving the EEC and NATO. Your sanctions are going to be pretty useless (oh the horror, there are no more Mercedes-Benz), and declaring war on Israel deson't have good optics for Germany.
by Mathuvan Union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:52 am
American Pere Housh wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:You will quickly find yourself ecomically sanctioned and at war.
Do you really think the United States is going to let you do anything to Israel? Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world even in 1970 so we can easily hide who assassinated your fascists.
by Greater Liverpool » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:22 am
Mathuvan Union wrote:American Pere Housh wrote:Do you really think the United States is going to let you do anything to Israel? Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world even in 1970 so we can easily hide who assassinated your fascists.
I mean, do you think they would do much to us?
They have every right to be annoyed, but so do we.
Assassinating anyone in German territory (either part) the Kaiserreich would declare to be a violation of our sovereignty and demand the UN to take action.
Along with a nice condemnation
by Mathuvan Union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:15 am
Greater Liverpool wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:I mean, do you think they would do much to us?
They have every right to be annoyed, but so do we.
Assassinating anyone in German territory (either part) the Kaiserreich would declare to be a violation of our sovereignty and demand the UN to take action.
Along with a nice condemnation
Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.
by Greater Liverpool » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:08 am
Mathuvan Union wrote:Greater Liverpool wrote:
Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.
I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals
by Sao Nova Europa » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:45 am
by Mathuvan Union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:23 pm
by The Palmetto » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:26 pm
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
by Wasi State » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:28 pm
The Palmetto wrote:Sorry if I missed this in the OP, but is there any equivalent to the EEC/WEU in Europe right now? I'm contemplating doing something in Europe or Africa, but I wanna know the dynamic going on in Western Europe before I reserve anything.
by The Palmetto » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:38 pm
Wasi State wrote:The Palmetto wrote:Sorry if I missed this in the OP, but is there any equivalent to the EEC/WEU in Europe right now? I'm contemplating doing something in Europe or Africa, but I wanna know the dynamic going on in Western Europe before I reserve anything.
There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
by Wasi State » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:50 pm
The Palmetto wrote:Wasi State wrote:There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.
I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.
by The Palmetto » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:54 pm
Wasi State wrote:The Palmetto wrote:
I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.
I mean that isn't the biggest stretch with the POD I've seen here, for one thing there's 4th German Reich in terms of their still being a monarchy, an Imperial Federation from the British Isles. And the SS still lurking around as a terrorist organization decades after WWII.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
by Monsone » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:10 pm
The Palmetto wrote:Wasi State wrote:There is such a equivalent, called the EEC, or the as the Union Flemish-Walloon insist on calling it, the Euro-Pakt.
I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.
by The Palmetto » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:00 pm
Monsone wrote:The Palmetto wrote:
I'm contemplating doing an Iberian Union in the EEC, having recently had a peaceful transition to democracy. My history would be Spain and Portugal having unified while under their authoritarian regimes, but them not yet splitting apart after going democratic. Of course, there's a lot of internal conflict over this. It somewhat stretches the boundaries of realism given the POD, though, so I don't know if the OP would be fine with it.
I like the idea, but the main issue is overcoming some tensions between Spain and Portugal as well as deposing two of Europe's most paranoid dictators.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
by American Pere Housh » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:39 pm
Mathuvan Union wrote:Greater Liverpool wrote:
Come to think of it, since you did leave NATO you are pretty much on your own. Even if somehow Israel managed to do something to you. There isn't much you could do in return, go to war and you will have no real way of even making it to Israel. Yes the UN could do something but if you look at most of the UN actions they are not effective unless you have considerable sway in the security council which you do not. Math you don't really have anything to go with if you go against Israel like. If you were to get close with the US you might be able to have some sort of backing to at least try to get some sort of mediation but as it stands the situation would not look good if you was to go through with something like this.
I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals
by Chewion » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:19 am
by Mathuvan Union » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:17 am
American Pere Housh wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:I never said I would do anything I just threatened it—I don’t want Israeli spies in my country.
They could be just as bad as Soviet Illegals
Do you really think I'm gonna announce that I have spies in Germany? No I am not. You seem to forget that I have German Jews who can blend flawlessly into West German society. Israel will not allow fascism to run rampant like it did over 25 years ago.
by Kenobot » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:44 am
Mathuvan Union wrote:American Pere Housh wrote:Do you really think I'm gonna announce that I have spies in Germany? No I am not. You seem to forget that I have German Jews who can blend flawlessly into West German society. Israel will not allow fascism to run rampant like it did over 25 years ago.
Why on earth not? What the hell did fascism do to make it that bad that such a tiny irrelevant country must send spies to Germany?
by Mathuvan Union » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:52 am
by Kenobot » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:56 am
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