Apocalypse: 1936 (PT/OOC/OPEN)

[Strala]

Aserais can I get an exact number of what you supplied to the SDF and the CPC? I'm planning on editing my app and ORBAT later tonight when I'm free.

250 Medium tanks
250 Heavy Tanks
300 Fighter Planes, disassembled
150 Bombers, disassembled
150 DC-3 converted cargo planes, disassembled
300 Artillery Pieces, ranging from mortars to 14" guns, disassembled
150,000 Small arms, ranging from service rifles to LMGs
1.5 million units of ammunition
20,000 gallons of gasoline

1st Pacific Carrier Group
ARSM Gloria, Valor-Class Aircraft Carrier, Compliment of 10 Fighters, 5 Dive Bombers, 15 Torpedo Bombers
ARSM Guadalajara, Tempestad-Class Battleship, Four main batteries, three 14" cannons each
ARSM Victoria, Tempestad-Class Battleship
4 Heavy Cruisers
6 Destroyers
12 Patrol Boats
3 Submarines

13th Battalion of the People's Army
20,000 Soldiers

Nice! I will disassemble one of the heavy tanks to study it, and form another three or four divisions or brigades attached to the SDF, 1st Route Army, and 2nd Route Army.

[Monsone]

Mexico is imperialist. The USSR is pretty anti-Imperialist. Also, if I can get fancy tech from the capitalists, that certainly is beneficial for the USSR. And since there seems to be no Spanish Flu vaccine in this timeline, creating one would really boost the USSR's prestige and prove that Soviet communisim is best.

How is Mexico imperialist? We absorbed some states that were in total anarchy, and are retaking states that were a part of Mexico originally before the economic collapse and revolution. We have spoken out against an aggressive, expansionist, fascist state that is moving into Mexican territory. Columbia and Venezuela underwent revolution and Mexico absorbed them with their consent, and have been helping rebuild those nations since. The only "expansionist" moves they've taken is pressuring the US to give up Panama, which they view as part of the central american people and, as such, under their protection.

Here is the dictionary definition of imperialism:

Imperialism, state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.

Mexico fits the definition perfectly. Venezuela and Colombia where never Mexican. Sure all the nations share the same language and have similar cultures. Yet Venezuela and Colombia are Mexican now, and Mexico is gaining political and economic control in those nations. Now taking rightful Mexican that broke away is fine, but you have to admit that taking Venezuela and Colombia is an imperialist move.

So is the USSR imperialist? Not really since the USSR is only taking back land that belonged to the Russian Empire, the USSR's predecessor state. So while the USSR is expansionist, it's not really imperialist since it's playing a role similar to that of the North in the American Civil War. Mexico is basically playing the role of theUSA in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by claiming to not be imperialist, yet still acting in imperialist manners.

[Monsone]

250 Medium tanks
250 Heavy Tanks
300 Fighter Planes, disassembled
150 Bombers, disassembled
150 DC-3 converted cargo planes, disassembled
300 Artillery Pieces, ranging from mortars to 14" guns, disassembled
150,000 Small arms, ranging from service rifles to LMGs
1.5 million units of ammunition
20,000 gallons of gasoline

1st Pacific Carrier Group
ARSM Gloria, Valor-Class Aircraft Carrier, Compliment of 10 Fighters, 5 Dive Bombers, 15 Torpedo Bombers
ARSM Guadalajara, Tempestad-Class Battleship, Four main batteries, three 14" cannons each
ARSM Victoria, Tempestad-Class Battleship
4 Heavy Cruisers
6 Destroyers
12 Patrol Boats
3 Submarines

13th Battalion of the People's Army
20,000 Soldiers

Nice! I will disassemble one of the heavy tanks to study it, and form another three or four divisions or brigades attached to the SDF, 1st Route Army, and 2nd Route Army.

Good luck getting those 14" artillery pieces anywhere.

[Aserais]

Nice! I will disassemble one of the heavy tanks to study it, and form another three or four divisions or brigades attached to the SDF, 1st Route Army, and 2nd Route Army.

Good luck getting those 14" artillery pieces anywhere.

Well the 14" guns are in pieces, they have to be assembled.

[Strala]

Nice! I will disassemble one of the heavy tanks to study it, and form another three or four divisions or brigades attached to the SDF, 1st Route Army, and 2nd Route Army.

Good luck getting those 14" artillery pieces anywhere.

Maybe set up some gun emplacements near Shanghai? I honestly don't know what to do with them other than make them costal defense batteries or using them to shell nearby warlords.

[Aserais]

Good luck getting those 14" artillery pieces anywhere.

Maybe set up some gun emplacements near Shanghai? I honestly don't know what to do with them other than make them costal defense batteries or using them to shell nearby warlords.

Well I mean if you're expanding towards Shanghai, having 14" guns pointed at the people who's natural instinct will be to retreat to the coast should dissuade them from trying to invade Shanghai

[Monsone]

Good luck getting those 14" artillery pieces anywhere.

Well the 14" guns are in pieces, they have to be assembled.

I get that. I mean getting them to a usable position since 14" guns aren't really all that mobile. The best options are either to make them coastal artillery guns (my personal choice), or make them into railroad guns. But the latter has many more drawbacks that make it a meh option at best.

[Monsone]

Maybe set up some gun emplacements near Shanghai? I honestly don't know what to do with them other than make them costal defense batteries or using them to shell nearby warlords.

Well I mean if you're expanding towards Shanghai, having 14" guns pointed at the people who's natural instinct will be to retreat to the coast should dissuade them from trying to invade Shanghai

152mm and 155mm guns could to the job just as effectively with a higher rate of fire and a greater ease of transport. Sure in range they'll suffer, but if you need to hit something at +15km, it's just as easy to send in aircraft to drop bombs instead of trying to hit something with what is compared to a bomb, a highly inaccurate weapon.

[Strala]

Maybe set up some gun emplacements near Shanghai? I honestly don't know what to do with them other than make them costal defense batteries or using them to shell nearby warlords.

Well I mean if you're expanding towards Shanghai, having 14" guns pointed at the people who's natural instinct will be to retreat to the coast should dissuade them from trying to invade Shanghai

Most of them are probably going to be converted to Costal defense batteries. Some might be used to do what you suggested. I'm planning to edit my ORBAT and raise a new route army or two to act as garrison troops. I'll be modernizing the 2nd also. Jiangsu and Yunan here I come. I will attempt to assimilate Yunan peacefully since I have a major base in Yunan.

[Aserais]

Well I mean if you're expanding towards Shanghai, having 14" guns pointed at the people who's natural instinct will be to retreat to the coast should dissuade them from trying to invade Shanghai

Most of them are probably going to be converted to Costal defense batteries. Some might be used to do what you suggested. I'm planning to edit my ORBAT and raise a new route army or two to act as garrison troops. I'll be modernizing the 2nd also. Jiangsu and Yunan here I come. I will attempt to assimilate Yunan peacefully since I have a major base in Yunan.

And keep in mind this is a range of artillery pieces, there's a few of everything. from mortars up to 14", not just that.

[New Sriker]

Later tonight I'm going to post about the first push to liberate Montana, hopefully it's good.

[Union Princes]

Later tonight I'm going to post about the first push to liberate Montana, hopefully it's good.

Its already June, what a sight to behold: Silver Legionnaires and Minutemen fighting alongside Red Guards and Revolutionaries against the rogue states.

[New Sriker]

Later tonight I'm going to post about the first push to liberate Montana, hopefully it's good.

Its already June, what a sight to behold: Silver Legionnaires and Minutemen fighting alongside Red Guards and Revolutionaries against the rogue states.

Don't forget the Fruits of Islam

Edit: Oh no the All American Coalition, hopefully some Social Democrats join the NRP and hopefully I can get more support from the people by launching the attack into Montana

[Aserais]

With the collapse of the German state, and the open offer from Mexico to any scientist who wants funding to pursue their research, can I have Wernher von Braun emigrate to Mexico?

[Wasi State]

With the collapse of the German state, and the open offer from Mexico to any scientist who wants funding to pursue their research, can I have Wernher von Braun emigrate to Mexico?

I think he'd still be in Germany. Now assuming he hasn't been killed by Polish Partisans, it's also possible he might have still joined the SS in Bavaria as he did in OTL.

[Union Princes]

alright, posted. this is where the fun begins

[Monsone]

With the collapse of the German state, and the open offer from Mexico to any scientist who wants funding to pursue their research, can I have Wernher von Braun emigrate to Mexico?

I think he'd still be in Germany. Now assuming he hasn't been killed by Polish Partisans, it's also possible he might have still joined the SS in Bavaria as he did in OTL.

Can I have Klaus Fuchs emigrate to the USSR since he was an IRL Soviet mole and he also did flee the Nazis in 1933 IRL? It would make sense that Fuchs would move to the USSR since there are Soviet agents in Germany buying up whatever possible, so Fuchs might just follow along with the Soviets and leave that way with his family. I think it would also make sense for Jürgen Kuczynski to flee/emigrate to the USSR since he too was a communist. And I'm certain there are other Germans besides just scientists and politicians who would likely flee to the USSR (i.e. maybe communists in Nazi-controlled areas).

[Wasi State]

I think he'd still be in Germany. Now assuming he hasn't been killed by Polish Partisans, it's also possible he might have still joined the SS in Bavaria as he did in OTL.

Can I have Klaus Fuchs emigrate to the USSR since he was an IRL Soviet mole and he also did flee the Nazis in 1933 IRL? It would make sense that Fuchs would move to the USSR since there are Soviet agents in Germany buying up whatever possible, so Fuchs might just follow along with the Soviets and leave that way with his family. I think it would also make sense for Jürgen Kuczynski to flee/emigrate to the USSR since he too was a communist. And I'm certain there are other Germans besides just scientists and politicians who would likely flee to the USSR (i.e. maybe communists in Nazi-controlled areas).

He certainly would've gotten the hell out of dodge by the time of the German Civil War. Though depending on when he left he may have some trouble reaching the USSR given multiple recent events.

[Domerstresseistan]

alright, posted. this is where the fun begins

Indeed.

[Union Princes]

Hold up, how come the weather is foggy all of the sudden?

[Domerstresseistan]

Hold up, how come the weather is foggy all of the sudden?

I'm presuming you're marching through a forest. That, and also I thought it would be a good setting to symbolize the nature of this war.

[Strala]

Wait how long has the federal coalition army been marching? How did the Phalanx have enough time to organize a ambush with nearly 3500 troops waiting to ambush them? Assuming that these generals in this timeline aren't horrible, then why would they not send scouts or a vanguard force to scout out their path?

[Union Princes]

Striker, what the heck happened to our coalition? We're supposed to be meeting up and planning an organized assault

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

Arizona megapost made, with a surprisingly invigorating speech from Timothy Grant.

[Strala]

Striker, what the heck happened to our coalition? We're supposed to be meeting up and planning an organized assault

I'm honestly confused by this entire scenario. Wasn't the coalition just beginning to push into Montana with them sticking together?