Apocalypse: 1936 (PT/OOC/OPEN)

[Aserais]

Sure! I'm also heading for sonora once I'm on the map. I appreciate you not claiming over my app regardless, and I'm fine with tensions because this state was sort of made for it.

Perfect! Honestly I can see our two nations going to war very quickly over a combo of ideological differences and territory disputes, it'll be interesting to play it out!

[Plzen]

IC post is up. Nordisk Sønderjylland!

[Aserais]

Been reading through the IC and OOC, and just realized how much a communist Mexico would feed the America First party in the south

[Dahyan]

Been reading through the IC and OOC, and just realized how much a communist Mexico would feed the America First party in the south

The NOI would probably reach out to you and see if we can cooperate in the future.

[Arvenia]

I might join as a religious sect.

[Union Princes]

Been reading through the IC and OOC, and just realized how much a communist Mexico would feed the America First party in the south

of course, any controversy in the communist party of Mexico can and will be used against the communist party and the NRA in America. If there is even a remote hint of Mexico wanting Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California back, Huey can easily whip up the nationalist sentiment to win his election in a landslide

[Plzen]

I normally use Paradox game files to quickly fill out region shapes in a map, but the next map I'm working on is too low-scale for that to be viable.

I hate tracing pictures of maps. I really, really do.

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Hello, how'd a super Armenia sound.

[New Sriker]

How's the Election going, the link I got didn't work for me for some reason

[Plzen]

Area of Operations: South Jutland

Key:
In dark grey: seas, inlets, and other areas of water cover
In lighter grey: land not included in the area of operations
In blue: land included in the area of operations
In red lines: internal and external borders of the area of operations
In white squares: towns and cities of significant population

Background
The Commonwealth of Northern Socialist States have consistently viewed itself not only as an advocate for the international socialist movement, but also a strong advocate for the interests and freedoms of the so-called "northern peoples". As such, it has always been highly interested in the welfare of Scandinavian and Finnic cultural minorities abroad, including the Danish minority of Schleswig-Holsten, a province of the German Empire. With the collapse of the German Empire into civil war in 1936, the NSRS believed that a military intervention in the area could not only secure the safety of the Danish minority in the region from the terrors of the civil war, but also improve the Commonwealth's negotiating position with regards to any territorial demands it may wish to make on the German Empire. Thus, troops were deployed into South Jutland, the area of operations through the period 29th April - 1st May 1936 with the intent to stay and assist with security during the German Civil War.

Region A (alt. Region of Danish Cultural Settlement)
Region A, between the Northern-German border and the modified Clausen Line, is home to an estimated 170,000 inhabitants. While significant German-speaking populations do exist in the region, mostly in major towns and especially in Tønder/Tondern, such towns are economically dependent on their Danish-speaking countryside and the region is otherwise almost entirely Danish-speaking, with perhaps 80~90% of the total population of the region self-identifying as ethnically or culturally Scandinavian. We believe any loyalties harboured by the inhabitants of this region to the German Empire to be questionable at best, and we expect overwhelming popular support for any future annexation of the region by the Commonwealth.

Region B (alt. Region of Mixed Cultural Settlement)
Region B, between the modified Clausen Line and the Flensburg Line, is home to an estimated 80,000 inhabitants. Cultural and linguistic preferences of the inhabitants of the area are mixed, with the major towns and villages being mostly German while Danish speakers constitute probably a fairly slim majority in the countryside. Until quite recently, for reasons that are beyond the scope of this discussion, the region was firmly loyal to the German Empire despite the prevalence of Danish speakers in the area. Due to certain social and political changes that have occurred in the past twenty years which will be further discussed with Region C, however, we believe that popular preference has likely shifted in the last two decades and that the region today probably feels a strong affinity towards the Commonwealth.

Region C (alt. Region of German Cultural Settlement)
Region C, between the Flensburg Line and the Eider Line, is home to c. 200,000 inhabitants. Culturally and linguistically, the region is predominantly German. Nonetheless, despite this, after some deliberation the NSRS Army Home Command has decided to include this region in the area of operations for several reasons. First, while minority populations in this region are small, they do exist. There is a small Danish minority in Region C, estimated at c. 2,000 people, mostly industrial working class families in major towns. There is also a much more significant Frisian minority, estimated at c. 6,000 people, which although not culturally Scandinavian nor heavily associated with the Commonwealth, have often looked northwards in their political and national orientations. Second, because of the devastation of the Great War which have made significant numbers of people strongly averse towards the monarchist regime of the German Empire, because of the traditionally internationalist socialist leaning political preferences of the region's inhabitants, and because of the region's historical and geographical ties to Scandinavia as well as agitation by the small cultural minorities, we believe that a significant minority of the German-speaking population of this area will feel some affinity towards the NSRS and be receptive to protection by the Commonwealth, perhaps even independence from Germany later. Finally, the region is home to the Dannevirke system of fortifications which, while heavily outdated, will nonetheless be useful in improving the NSRS' ability to secure its southern border at a time when the German Empire is in chaos if we are able to get a garrison on this line.

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I'm kind of surprised that the SPD doesn't mention our incursion into South Jutland at all in their last IC post. I mean, I'm not complaining if they want to offer no response, but... I did expect something, even if it's just a few politicians in Berlin discussing it.

Commentary on the above map and description welcome. :p I spend half the afternoon tracing a blurry screenshot of a map pixel-by-pixel to make the coastlines there...

IRL, in the 1920 plebiscites, Region A voted to return to Denmark while Region B voted to stay with Germany and Region C did not hold a referendum at all, the result being a foregone conclusion for the overwhelming German majority. But given that Germany just spent the last two decades tearing itself apart in the Great War and is about to take a few more months or possibly even years tearing itself apart even harder in Civil War, I think the NSRS in this timeline has a fairly good shot of also getting Region B returned to it, with Region C maybe breaking off into an independent buffer state. The Felan Federation, you're the only player in Germany, so let me know what you think about all that. Ehehehehe...

[Wasi State]

-snip-

This is pretty good, having Venezuela and Columbia might be a little bit of a stretch for Trotsky given the nature of those countries and politics, so I'd imagine control to be definitely looser and on the verge of revolts often, so just keep that in mind. Otherwise your app is Accepted.

[Wasi State]

Current Projections for the 1936 US Election map.

I assume this has worked in the fact that the NOI has called on Black people to vote for the CPUSA or NPR?

Working under that assumption yes, guaranteeing a heavy voter base in the Rust Belt.

I might join as a religious sect.

Interesting, what sect were you thinking you had in mind?

Hello, how'd a super Armenia sound.

Sounds super . Feel free to app it.

[Strala]

The CSR has a nominal strength of 2,696,335


The Chinese Workers' and Peasants' Red Army (3 armies with a nominal strength of 2,448,200)
>> 1st Route Army (38 units for a total of 558,550)
-----1st Motorised Division (14,000 men)
-----2nd Motorised Division (14,000 men)
-----3rd Rifle Division (14,000 men)
-----4th Rifle Division(14,000 men)
-----5th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----6th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----7th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----8th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----9th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----10th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----11th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----12th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----13th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----14th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----37th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----38th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----39th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----130th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----46th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----50th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----8th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----9th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----10th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----12th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----13th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----14th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----122nd Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----112th Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----99th Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----82nd Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----84th Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----1st Army Fighter Group (180 fighters, 2600 men)
-----1st Army Bomber Wing (58 bombers, 820 men)
-----1st Armored Division (163 tanks, 14,500 men)
-----2nd Armored Division (163 tanks, 14,500 men)
-----3rd Armored Division (163 tanks, 14,500 men(50 heavy tanks))
----1st Tank Brigade(130 tanks, 1800 men)
----8th Tank Brigade(130 tanks, 1800 men(50 heavy tanks))
The 1st Route Army was formed in 1928 and would be formed out of the ranks of former Communist and Left KMT members of the NRA. The soldiers of this and the 2nd Route Army would be formed out of the veterans that served during the Northern Expedition or even earlier. The officer corps of the 1st and 2nd Route Armies would be filled primarily with Whampoa and The Peasant Movement Training Institute. The 1st Route Army is the most modernized and motorized division in the CSR and completely uses Reorganized Divisions.
>> 2nd Route Army (40 units for a total of 540,950)
-----3rd Motorised Division (14,000 men)
-----4th Motorised Division (14,000 men)
-----11th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----12th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----13th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----14th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----14th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----14th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----15th Rifle Division (14,000 men)
-----16th Rifle Division (14,000 men)
-----17th Rifle Division (14,000 men)
-----18th Rifle Division (14,000 men)
-----19th Rifle Division (14,000 men)
-----20th Rifle Division (14,000 men)
-----21st Rifle Division (14,000 men)
-----22nd Rifle Division (14,000 men)
-----23rd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----24th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----25th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----26th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----27th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----28th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----29th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----15th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----16th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----17th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----18th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----19th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----20th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----123rd Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----121st Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----97th Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----92nd Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----85th Reconnaissance Brigade (2,600 men)
-----2nd Army Fighter Wing(50 fighters, 800 men)
-----1st Army Bomber Wing (44 bombers, 700 men)
-----5th Armored Division (163 tanks, 14,500 men)
----4th Tank Brigade(130 tanks, 1800 men)
----5th Tank Brigade(130 tanks, 1800 men)
----10th Tank Brigade(130 tanks, 1800 men(50 heavy tanks))
The Second Route Army was formed in 1929 out of the remnants of former Workers and Peasant guards, former NRA forces, and local recruits.
>>3rd Route Army (33 units for a total of 469,450)
-----31st Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----32nd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----33rd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----34th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----35th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----36th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----37th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----38th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----40th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----41st Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----42nd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----43rdRifle Division (14,100 men)
-----44th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----45th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----47th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----48th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----49thRifle Division (14,100 men)
-----51st Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----44th Independent Motorized Regiment (5000 men)
-----43rd Independent Motorized Regiment (5000 men)
-----42nd Independent Motorized Regiment (5000 men)
-----15th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----21st Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----22nd Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----23rd Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----24th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----125th Reconnaissance Brigade (2,500 men)
-----101st Reconnaissance Brigade (2,500 men)
-----22nd Army Fighter Wing(50 fighters, 800 men)
-----12th Army Bomber Wing (40 bombers, 700 men)
----6th Tank Brigade(130 tanks, 1800 men)
----7th Tank Brigade(130 tanks, 1800 men)
----11th Tank Brigade(130 tanks, 1800 men(50 heavy tanks))
----12th Tank Brigade(130 tanks, 1800 men(50 heavy tanks))

The Third Route Army is formed out of the former SDF and newer recruits from Jaingsu and Zhejiang

>>4th Route Army (22 units for a total of 440,300)
-----52nd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----53rd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----54th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----55th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----56th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----57th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----58th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----59th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----60th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----61st Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----62nd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----63rd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----64th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----65th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----66th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----67th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----68th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----44th Independent Infantry Regiment (5000 men)
-----43rd Independent Infantry Regiment (5000 men)
-----42nd Independent Infantry Regiment (5000 men)
-----25th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----26th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----27th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----28th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----29th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----115th Reconnaissance Brigade (2,500 men)
-----151st Reconnaissance Brigade (2,500 men)
-----26nd Army Fighter Wing(50 fighters, 800 men)
-----17th Army Bomber Wing (30 bombers, 500 men)


>>5th Route Army (20 units for a total of 438,950)
-----69th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----70th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----71st Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----72nd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----73rd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----74th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----75th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----76th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----77th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----78th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----79th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----80th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----81st Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----82nd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----83rd Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----84th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----85th Rifle Division (14,100 men)
-----45th Independent Infantry Regiment (5000 men)
-----33rd Independent Infantry Regiment (5000 men)
-----32nd Independent Infantry Regiment (5000 men)
-----30th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----31st Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----32nd Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----33rd Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----34th Cavalry Division (6,500 men)
-----117th Reconnaissance Brigade (2,500 men)
-----81st Reconnaissance Brigade (2,500 men)


CSR Workers’ and Peasants’ Navy (9 ships of 9,300 personnel)
>> Shanghai Defense Fleet(9 ships and 11 coastal defense guns of 9,300 personnel)
----- 7 Coastal Defence Ships
----- 2 Light Cruiser(1 Ninghai class cruiser)
-----The 1-11th Coastal Gun Batteries

CSR Revolutionary Forces outside of CSR nominal control(Three regions for a total of 230,135 men)
----- Northern China(189,025 men with 30000 near Shanxi due to the close proximity to Shaanxi)
----- Western China(50,110 men)

Reorganized Infantry Division
Division headquarters troops:
1 Artillery battalion:
3 Artillery companies (24 x 75-millimeter mountain artillery guns in batteries of 4)
1 Anti-tank artillery battalion:
3 Anti-tank Artillery companies ( 8 x 37mm AT gun)
1 Anti-aircraft gun battalion:
3 Anti-aircraft gun companies (8 x 20mm anti-aircraft guns)
1 Military Engineer Battalion
1 Signal battalion
2 Wire communications companies
1 Wireless correspondence platoon
1 Heavy Transport Battalion
1 Special duty Battalion (Special Operations Battalion)
1 medical team (usually is a Division hospital)
2 Infantry Brigades of:
each with 2 infantry regiments, Each Regiment consisted of:
Regimental headquarters troops:
1 Mortar company (6 x 81-millimeter mortars)
1 Small artillery company (6 x 20-millimeter autocannon)
1 Communications company
1 Regimental recon company
3 infantry battalions each of:
Infantry battalion headquarters troops
3 Infantry companies of:
3 rifle platoons of
3 squads (each of 2 light machine gun, 8 rifles)
1 heavy Machinegun company (15 heavy machine guns, 10 x 82-millimeter mortars)
Armored Division
The division was organized into an armored regiment with two tank battalions and 2 regiments of infantry, each with 2 battalions, along with various supporting units (reconnaissance, engineer, signal, etc.) With a total of 163 tanks. In addition to its tanks, the division was armed with 77 guns (ranging from 75mm to 150mm); 70 mortars; 33 anti-tank guns; and 500 machine guns; and some 40 anti-aircraft guns. 40 of the 163 tanks are Type 001 medium tanks the rest are Type 002 light tanks.
Cavalry Division

It comprises three regiments each totaling 2,000 men. They are armed with light machine guns, da dao, and Hanyang 88 rifles.

Motorized Division

A motorized Division is extremely similar to a Reorganized Division except for the fact that they rely more heavily on fuel and use less horse-drawn equipment.

Infantry Division

Division headquarters troops:
2 Artillery company: (24 x 75-millimeter mountain artillery guns each in batteries of 4)
1 Anti-tank artillery company: ( 8 x 37mm AT gun)
1 Anti-aircraft gun company: (8 x 20mm anti-aircraft guns)
1 Military Engineer Battalion
1 Signal battalion
2 Wire communications companies
1 Wireless correspondence platoon
1 medical team (usually is a Division hospital)
2 Infantry Brigades of:
each with 2 infantry regiments, Each Regiment consisted of:
Regimental headquarters troops:
1 Mortar company (3 x 81-millimeter mortars)
1 Small artillery company (6 x 20-millimeter autocannon)
1 Communications company
1 Regimental recon company
3 infantry battalions each of:
Infantry battalion headquarters troops
3 Infantry companies of:
3 rifle platoons of
3 squads (each of 1 light machine gun, 9 rifles)
1 heavy Machinegun company (2 heavy machine guns, 10 x 82-millimeter mortars)

Important Details:
When I’m counting the total amount of soldiers, I’m also including the replacements since each division has roughly ½ of its total strength in reinforcement so in general, each army strength at any given time is roughly ⅔ of its shown number. If the OP wants me to change that then I will.

[Wasi State]

-snip-

Ah yes, meant to look into this as well this weekend. It looks good, quite large obviously considering this is (a part of) China. I'll add it to your roster entry in a bit.

[Plzen]

[spoiler=What are your thoughts op?]

The spoiler tag does not play nice with special characters. :p

In any case, I suppose I didn't really consider divisional structure... hmm...

NSRS Army Rifle Division (8,100 nominal strength)
Division Headquarters (200 personnel)
>> Central Brigade
>> >> Infantry Regiment
>> >> >> Infantry Company (200 personnel)
>> >> >> Infantry Company (200 personnel)
>> >> >> Infantry Company (200 personnel)
>> >> >> Infantry Company (200 personnel)
>> >> >> Support Artillery Company (100 personnel)
>> >> Infantry Regiment (900 personnel)
>> >> Infantry Regiment (900 personnel)
>> Left Brigade
>> >> Infantry Regiment (900 personnel)
>> >> Infantry Regiment (900 personnel)
>> Right Brigade
>> >> Infantry Regiment (900 personnel)
>> >> Infantry Regiment (900 personnel)
>> Divisional Artillery Battalion (500 personnel)
>> Medical Company (300 personnel)
>> Engineering Company (200 personnel)
>> Logistics Company (200 personnel)
>> Communications Company (200 personnel)
>> Military Police Company (200 personnel)

[Wasi State]

Quick Map Update, btw. At least for the Americas.

[Monsone]

Baltic Fleet (Currently not under Russian contol):

4 Gangut Class Battleships (Only two in active service at any given time)
2 Profintern Class Cruiser
1 Pallada Class Cruiser (Training ship)
3 Orfey Class Destroyers
3 Izyaslav Class Destroyers
3 Leningrad Class Destroyers (4 more being built)
4 Vsadnik Class Destroyers (Coastal Patrol)
3 Okhotnik Class Destroyers (Coastal Patrol
5 Uragan Class Guards Ships
5 S-Class Submarines (More being built)
7 Dekabrist Class Submarines
5 Leninets Class Submarines

Northern Fleet:

1 Pallada Class Cruiser (Training ship)
2 Orfey Class Destroyers
2 Izayaslav Class Destroyers
5 Uragan Class Guards Ships
10 Leninets Class Submarines (Only 5 in active service)

Black Sea Fleet:
Currently no ships assigned to the Black Sea Fleet.

Russian Air Force:

1 Flight=5 Aircraft
1 Squadron=3 Flights (15 Aircraft)

75 Tupolev ANT-7 (Reconnaissance Aircraft)
75 Tupolev TB-1 (Bomber)
75 Tupolev TB-3 (Bomber and Transport Plane)
150 Tupolev SB (Bomber)
150 Ilyushin DB-3 (Bomber)
500 Polikarpov R-Z (Ground Attack Aircraft)
1,500 Polikarpov R-5 (Ground Attack Aircraft)
750 Polikarpov I-15 (Fighter)
450 Polikarpov I-5 (Fighter)
450 Polikarpov I-16 (Fighter)
300 Polikarpov I-3 (Fighter)
2,500 Polikarpov Po-2 (General Purpose Plane)
750 Polikarpov R-2 (General Purpose Plane)
15 Tupolev PS-9 (Transport Planes)
15 Tupolev ANT-14 (Transport Planes)

Please note this is extremely tenative, and the ground forces part is taking me longer than expected because of a lack of information on both Russian and Soviet military organization when it comes to regiments, batallions, commands, etc.

[Plzen]

-snip-

...the Russians can afford how many military aircraft? I don't see that being remotely viable unless your people are cannibalising their own industry for it.

The navy also seems fairly large given that until quite recently the USSR controlled basically one good port city and that was it.

[Union Princes]

Can all of the US political parties agree that the Orwellian state of Arizona needs to go?

[Monsone]

-snip-

...the Soviets can afford how many military aircraft?

I don't see that being remotely viable unless the USSR is cannibalising its own industry for it.

Most of the aircraft are made of wood, with metal being limited to the essential parts. This was also done IRL because of costs, production capabilites, and the fact that wood is pretty common in Russia. And if you look up most of the plane types, they are made either in part or practically in whole with wood save for the engine and a few other parts.

Also do note that many of the planes might not always be in service because of parts canibalization, or the fact that they are kept "in service" because it looks good on paper. Now this that being said, considering the USSR became Russia, and the huge iron reserves at Magnitogorsk along with a significant ammount of the Ural's industrial capacity just became Russia, many of the production issues can be alleviated. However the break away of Southern Russia has harmed oil supplies, and as such, that is also affecting the availability of aircraft, aircraft readiness, and most critically, it is cutting pilot flight hours short, leading to inexperienced pilots.

Remember, an OBART and the reality on the ground can be different, and it's still a highly tenative OBART, with tweaking likely to occur realtively soon.

[New Sriker]

Can all of the US political parties agree that the Orwellian state of Arizona needs to go?

Yeah, I sorta think they should just hold their Mexican states, since the US is one of the few nations not tore apart (Yet, maybe) and the Mexican Communist should hold most of Mexico and maybe some Central American Countries, but I think Columbia, Venezuela, and all of central America is a bit too much.

[Wasi State]

Can all of the US political parties agree that the Orwellian state of Arizona needs to go?

Yeah, I sorta think they should just hold their Mexican states, since the US is one of the few nations not tore apart (Yet, maybe)

Well that's not entirely true, for one thing Alaska has no authority, Utah attempted to secede until MacArthur stepped in, Los Alamos is being run by mad scientists, and Arizona actually did secede and seized control of parts of Mexico while they were at it.

[New Sriker]

Yeah, I sorta think they should just hold their Mexican states, since the US is one of the few nations not tore apart (Yet, maybe)

Well that's not entirely true, for one thing Alaska has no authority, Utah attempted to secede until MacArthur stepped in, Los Alamos is being run by mad scientists, and Arizona actually did secede and seized control of parts of Mexico while they were at it.

Oh damn, that's an ooof

[Konolas]

Tagging this for now

[Dahyan]

Yeah, I sorta think they should just hold their Mexican states, since the US is one of the few nations not tore apart (Yet, maybe)

Well that's not entirely true, for one thing Alaska has no authority, Utah attempted to secede until MacArthur stepped in, Los Alamos is being run by mad scientists, and Arizona actually did secede and seized control of parts of Mexico while they were at it.

So there is a precedent for successful succession in this RP history. Nation of Islam likes.