Apocalypse: 1936 (PT/OOC/OPEN)

[Wasi State]

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I do like the concept of this a lot, though unfortunately I can't really divide Socal and Norcal up on the actual Map (limitations with how the state mechanics work with Mapcharters). And it does go into a wee bit of conflict with some previous posts in the IC about campaigning in the Golden State and such. So to be fair and representative of all sides here, California will remain more or less contested, while Arizona is allowed to defect.

The app is otherwise Accepted.

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

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I do like the concept of this a lot, though unfortunately I can't really divide Socal and Norcal up on the actual Map (limitations with how the state mechanics work with Mapcharters). And it does go into a wee bit of conflict with some previous posts in the IC about campaigning in the Golden State and such. So to be fair and representative of all sides here, California will remain more or less contested, while Arizona is allowed to defect.

The app is otherwise Accepted.

Can I keep Baja and Baja Sur, though?

[Wasi State]

I do like the concept of this a lot, though unfortunately I can't really divide Socal and Norcal up on the actual Map (limitations with how the state mechanics work with Mapcharters). And it does go into a wee bit of conflict with some previous posts in the IC about campaigning in the Golden State and such. So to be fair and representative of all sides here, California will remain more or less contested, while Arizona is allowed to defect.

The app is otherwise Accepted.

Can I keep Baja and Baja Sur, though?

Mexican land isn't really an issue, it's US land that makes it a bit muddled, well at least with California. Everything else is otherwise fine.

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

Can I keep Baja and Baja Sur, though?

Mexican land isn't really an issue, it's US land that makes it a bit muddled, well at least with California. Everything else is otherwise fine.

Alrighty, perfect! I edited the app to leave out Californian invasion (save for the accepted ultimatum to the Baja peninsula).

[Benuty]

1) Stalin is still a Bolshevik. Being "democratic" hasn't made him any less Bolshevik. Sure his reforms are strange, but fundamentally Stalin is still a Bolshevik.

2) If you didn’t notice, there happens to be a rebellion in Kronshtadt, and the former NKVD head is planing a coup. There are definitely people who see this as a betrayal, they're either just not expressing those feelings yet, or are planning how to express those feelings. Also note that while the Soviet people where brainwashed to think communisim was good and capitalism was bad, there still was some degree of freedom and capitalism under the New Economic Plan. Sure Stalin squelched that quickly in the 1920s, but it still means a significant amount of Soviet citizens would have experienced capitalism under Soviet rule.

3) Despite Russia being "capitalist" now, there are still state owned companies, labor laws that benefit the laborer, wage laws that are designed to benefit the worker too, the Russia government still controls a fair ammount of the economy, and there is no stock market yet. Because of all this, the USSR isn't really all that capitalist, and is more of a socialist nation with a mixed economy (like Yugoslavia after WW2).

1) A Bolshevik who reinstalls capitalism is quite simply not a Bolshevik.

2) It took revisionists such as Gorbachev and his ilk several decades to gradually destroy the USSR and reinstall capitalism. You did that in a matter of hours. A handful of rebellions won't cut it. This is like Reagan waking up one day and deciding to install Socialism in the US all of a sudden.

3) "Mixed economy" is a smokescreen, and is still fundamentally capitalist. Any Bolshevik will a iota of notion of Marxism would see that immediately.

In regards to Gorbechav, to the man's credit, he did try and save the Soviet Union much to the chagrin of the traditionalist coup members of the union who thought he was destroying it. Had the coup plotters actually bothered to govern, and save their interpretation of the Soviet Union then well it would probably still exist today, but they didn't. They are more at fault than Gorbechav especially since Yeltsin was able to whip up secessionist (Russian) sentiment due to the incompetence of the new government. The smackdown internationally especially from the Bush senior administration didn't help the soviet system's stability.

[Union Princes]

so we got KKK, Communists, Islamic zealots, Rogue scientists, MacArthur, and now 1984 being the state of Arizona in the US.

This is so wack I dont know if the 1936 election matters anymore

[Wasi State]

so we got KKK, Communists, Islamic zealots, Rogue scientists, MacArthur, and now 1984 being the state of Arizona in the US.

This is so wack I dont know if the 1936 election matters anymore

You'd think so but it matters more in the sense of where the preceding Second Civil War will head. And we all have Al Smith to thanks.

[Benuty]

so we got KKK, Communists, Islamic zealots, Rogue scientists, MacArthur, and now 1984 being the state of Arizona in the US.

This is so wack I dont know if the 1936 election matters anymore

The election honestly is a pretense just so the losing party can whinge. The Bureau itself doesn't really care who wins so much as who they can use to get the most funding. So if a bunch of black Muslims wants to bio bomb the former heart of secession [Charleston, South Carolina] for irony they would totally condone it.

[Benuty]

To be clear, while ethics may have to be on the mind of politicians it most certainly doesn't have to be on the minds of scientists.

Case in point, I suspect if the war is hell portion of this upcoming civil war occurs then expect some areas to probably "volunteer" for "testing".

[Wasi State]

To be clear, while ethics may have to be on the mind of politicians it most certainly doesn't have to be on the minds of scientists.

Case in point, I suspect if the war is hell portion of this upcoming civil war occurs then expect some areas to probably "volunteer" for "testing".

Inb4 Lysenko helps to create the American Anarchy for the sake of Science!

This is basically the plot of Big Mountain from FNV come to think of it.

[Union Princes]

Its gonna be paramount that Huey Long must not be assassinated, he would never tolerate Atomic bombing on American citizens. the KKK and the Silver legion on the other hand would be too eager to do it.

[Benuty]

To be clear, while ethics may have to be on the mind of politicians it most certainly doesn't have to be on the minds of scientists.

Case in point, I suspect if the war is hell portion of this upcoming civil war occurs then expect some areas to probably "volunteer" for "testing".

Inb4 Lysenko helps to create the American Anarchy for the sake of Science!

This is basically the plot of Big Mountain from FNV come to think of it.

Pretty much, Lysenko was to put it quite nicely a madman. If Stalin had lived the man very well might have gotten his hands into the soviet weapons program. It's pretty admirable (not really), that this one man held by Soviet science in genetics by thirty years, and to top it all off killed millions of people unintentionally by famine.

As for Big Mountain, it was easy enough for them to be mad scientists pre-great war simply because of how crap everything was. You know things are bad when the military just dumps college students off to die horribly rather than arresting them simply because there isn't enough space in the prisons.

[Benuty]

Its gonna be paramount that Huey Long must not be assassinated, he would never tolerate Atomic bombing on American citizens. the KKK and the Silver legion on the other hand would be too eager to do it.

If things get bad enough for a deal with the devil to happen the impact of radiation on American citizenry will be the least of the new america's worries. A lot of ethical issues are going to be raised up especially on what to do with cities ruined by radiation, and not safe to live in.

[Wasi State]

Inb4 Lysenko helps to create the American Anarchy for the sake of Science!

This is basically the plot of Big Mountain from FNV come to think of it.

Pretty much, Lysenko was to put it quite nicely a madman. If Stalin had lived the man very well might have gotten his hands into the soviet weapons program. It's pretty admirable (not really), that this one man held by Soviet science in genetics by thirty years, and to top it all off killed millions of people unintentionally by famine.

As for Big Mountain, it was easy enough for them to be mad scientists pre-great war simply because of how crap everything was. You know things are bad when the military just dumps college students off to die horribly rather than arresting them simply because there isn't enough space in the prisons.

I am lowkey expecting this to balloon out of proportions in the American Southwest and causing sheer and utter mayhem throughout the country, and I already approve.

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

Pretty much, Lysenko was to put it quite nicely a madman. If Stalin had lived the man very well might have gotten his hands into the soviet weapons program. It's pretty admirable (not really), that this one man held by Soviet science in genetics by thirty years, and to top it all off killed millions of people unintentionally by famine.

As for Big Mountain, it was easy enough for them to be mad scientists pre-great war simply because of how crap everything was. You know things are bad when the military just dumps college students off to die horribly rather than arresting them simply because there isn't enough space in the prisons.

I am lowkey expecting this to balloon out of proportions in the American Southwest and causing sheer and utter mayhem throughout the country, and I already approve.

Big Brother doesn't like mad scientists and occupied mormons...

[Monsone]

I am lowkey expecting this to balloon out of proportions in the American Southwest and causing sheer and utter mayhem throughout the country, and I already approve.

Big Brother doesn't like mad scientists and occupied mormons...

But Stalin does.

[Wasi State]

Btw, I'll wait for some posts again until I'll confidently move the segment time to May-June, given the significant events ongoing, so I'll postpone it till the end of tomorrow (8/9, East Coast time) at the latest.

[Aserais]

Is trotsky still alive in this timeline? I have an idea for a Socialist state that has swept up Mexico, Central America (except Panama), Columbia and Venezuela, and I was hoping to use trotsky as the catalyst for that

[Wasi State]

Is trotsky still alive in this timeline?

Yes. His current location isn't set in stone, it's free for any player to app as.

[Aserais]

Hope that this is okay! Let me know if it's not.

Country: La República Socialista de México

Head of State/Leader: Miguel Rivera

Location: Mexico, sans the anarchic states and Baja California, every Central American nation (excluding Panama), Columbia, and Venezuela.

Government Type: Communist

Capital: Ciudad de México

National Debuffs:

American Pressure: America is distinctly uncomfortable with the idea of a large Communist nation on its southern border, and has been publicly condemning the RSM's annexation of central american countries over the past few years. The RSM has responded with a strong stance of national sovereignty and a buildup of military forces using the resources of the nations that have "joined" the RSM. They have been pressuring America to reduce their presence in the country of Panama through both political and economic means. As a result, relations between the RSM and America are considered chilly at best, and outright hostile at worst.

Developing Infrastructure: The RSM is still developing infrastructure and a strong industrial base, and though work programs and nationalized industry have accelerated the process, they have yet to establish a strong infrastructure base throughout the RSM. Specifically in Central America, where they are still consolidating control.

Rebels in the Hills: In the mountainous, jungle regions of Central America, the People's Army of the RSM are still rooting out the last of the criminal gangs and warlords that previously ruled the once-chaotic nations. The RSM annexed these nations after providing subtle political pushes to drive them into anarchy, claiming they were "establishing order." The rebels are dwindling in number, but they could still pose a real threat if they are not extinguished quickly. And in the North of Mexico, the People's Army is still attempting to drive out the cartels and establish order in the anarchic states that still suffer from elements of Anarchy due to the mountainous desert terrain.

A Split Party: The cracks between Rivera's and Trosky's vision have begun to show, and while currently they are civil and still working together, Trotsky has criticized the RSM's absorption of the Central American nations and argues that they should have simply supported the revolution in those nations.

GDP: $123 Billion. While international trade was disrupted from 1916-onwards, the RSM has the one resource that every nation on earth still needs: oil. Due to the rich crude oil fields in what was formerly Venezuela, the RSM has managed to carve out a niche in the new world economy as a economic juggernaut who is willing to sell to any nation regardless of political status, though they do give special preference to nations that have also undergone the cultural revolution. The RSM also produce most of the world's luxury goods, with huge amounts of gold, silver, spices and coffee being mined and farmed in central and south america, able to sell them at set prices that allow them to be bought with what resources the ravaged nations of the world have left.

Population: 156.3 Million

History: La República Socialista de México formed as a direct response to the economic crash of 1925 and the flood of deported Mexican-Americans from their northern neighbors, introducing over a million displaced, hungry refugees into a nation already pushed to the brink of collapse by economic hardship and incompetent governance by the federal government of the United Mexican States. The same political movement that had grown in Russia began to take root in the slums of Mexico, fueled by Leon Trotsky, who had moved to Mexico following his expulsion from the Party by Joseph Stalin. Communist uprisings began to form in the outlying Mexican states within a year, and in 1927 the Estados Unidos de México dissolved and was replaced by La República Socialista de México, with the party led by a Charismatic young man by the name of Miguel Rivera, with Leon Trotsky as his right-hand man and advisor.

The nation was quickly stabilized by Secretario General del Partido Comunista Miguel Rivera, who began to be referred to as El Secretario. The People's Army distributed food and clothes from the cities out to the starving farmers and rural citizens of the newly-formed nation, and quickly called on all able-bodied men to join the state-sponsored workforces that were established by the first Congress of the new nation. Roads and rail lines were the immediate priority, and the nation saw a re invigoration of it's failing and often non-existent infrastructure, which put millions of previously-unemployed individuals back to work. Farms that were previously dedicated to cash crops and owned by absent, often cruel landlords were reappropriated and given to the people, who were encouraged to grow grain, corn, and potatoes to make up for the shortfall of food caused by the international economic collapse.

Grants and citizenship were offered to any scientist or doctor that wished to move to Mexico, and those already in Mexico were encouraged with increased rations and funding for research in order to develop the medical and scientific fields of the Mexican nation. Propaganda programs were developed by Trotsky to develop a sense of intense national pride and party loyalty, emphasizing the importance of helping your fellow man and lifting them up out of poverty and destitution by contributing your labor to the greater good. Over the course of a year and a half, the motivated, young populace of the new Mexican state transformed from an underdeveloped, struggling nation, into a developing powerhouse under the direction of Trotsky and Rivera.

Over the next decade, the RSM would destabilize the already-precarious nations of Central America and promote Communist ideology in Columbia and Venezuela, ultimately resulting in the absorption of these nations into the RSM and the resulting glut of natural resources and manpower launched the RSM into a position rare in the current world--One of unity rather than division, and economic resurgence rather than decline. As a result of the Monroe Doctrine practiced by the USA, none of the European conflicts bled into the Central and South American nations, allowing the RSM to perform a military and infrastructural buildup over the course of the last decade. Rebels in the hills of south america, sponsored by warlords that deal in narcotics and drugs, are still a problem for the burgeoning nation, though it has a glut of money and resources to throw at the problem due to the RSM's proliferation of Venezuela's massive oil reserves. The People's Navy and Army have both been developed to protect the nation's shipping lanes from unrestricted warfare, and the RSM has sold the precious resource indiscriminately to fund the nations' infrastructure and military development.

Map Color: Crimson

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[Dahyan]

Current Projections for the 1936 US Election map.

I assume this has worked in the fact that the NOI has called on Black people to vote for the CPUSA or NPR?

[Dahyan]

so we got KKK, Communists, Islamic zealots, Rogue scientists, MacArthur, and now 1984 being the state of Arizona in the US.

This is so wack I dont know if the 1936 election matters anymore

The election honestly is a pretense just so the losing party can whinge. The Bureau itself doesn't really care who wins so much as who they can use to get the most funding. So if a bunch of black Muslims wants to bio bomb the former heart of secession [Charleston, South Carolina] for irony they would totally condone it.

Is the Bureau based on the Big MT Think Tank from Fallout New Vegas?

[Dahyan]

No certainly not, but he's definitely more likely to appeal to moderates and centrists than the leftist parties. If he plays his card right he could essentially offer his version of a new deal and get the R-D base on his side.

But that's the thing, Huey is a Bull in China shop. His policies can appeal to moderates even the left-wing voter base but it is his own personality that's sabotaging his image. His loud and brash attitude is scaring the moderates.

Absolutely. Originally, Elijah Muhammad might actually have tried cooperating with him, but his bullish, 'tude made that quite impossible.

[Aserais]

Alrighty, perfect! I edited the app to leave out Californian invasion (save for the accepted ultimatum to the Baja peninsula).

Sorry, I just realized my app might conflict a little with yours, would you like to get together and talk about it? I don't want to step on any toes! I can update my app so that it doesn't include Baja Cali, but that could be a point of contention between our nations?

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

Alrighty, perfect! I edited the app to leave out Californian invasion (save for the accepted ultimatum to the Baja peninsula).

Sorry, I just realized my app might conflict a little with yours, would you like to get together and talk about it? I don't want to step on any toes! I can update my app so that it doesn't include Baja Cali, but that could be a point of contention between our nations?

Sure! I'm also heading for sonora once I'm on the map. I appreciate you not claiming over my app regardless, and I'm fine with tensions because this state was sort of made for it.