Apocalypse: 1936 (PT/OOC/OPEN)

[Union Princes]

Well, Huey Long has two factions to take care of. He'll have to smash the Reds and scatter the NOI to save America.

[Plzen]

So since tensions are ramping up, I might as well write up one of these as per the OP's recommendations. It's not a very large military, but then the NSRS is a wealthy nation and can ramp up quickly if it needs to.

The NSRS also has no independent air force (as was true for many other countries in this time period IRL), airplaces being integrated into the Army command structure.

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Defence Force of the Commonwealth of Northern Socialist Republics
Order of Battle as of 15th March 1936

Total nominal personnel: 232,300 (1.46% of population)

NSRS Army Home Command (3 armies of 194,000 total nominal strength)
>> 1st "Northern" Army (14 units of 85,600 nominal strength)
>> >> 3rd Motorised Division (9,500 men)
>> >> 5th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> 6th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> 7th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> 8th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> 10th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> 12th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> 13th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> 14th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> Swedish Republican Cavalry Brigade (3,500 men)
>> >> Norwegian Republican Cavalry Brigade (3,500 men)
>> >> Karelian Reconnaissance Brigade (2,500 men)
>> >> 1st Army Fighter Group (30 fighters, 36 close air support, 1,320 men)
>> >> 1st Army Bomber Group (12 bombers, 480 men)
>> 2nd "Southern" Army (8 units of 48,200 nominal strength)
>> >> 1st Motorised Division (9,500 men)
>> >> 11th Motorised Division (9,500 men)
>> >> 2nd Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> 4th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> 9th Rifle Division (8,100 men)
>> >> Danish Republican Cavalry Brigade (3,500 men)
>> >> 2nd Army Fighter Group (34 fighters, 680 men)
>> >> 2nd Army Bomber Group (18 bombers, 720 men)
>> National Guard (14 units of 60,200 nominal strength)
>> >> Copenhagen Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Aarhus Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Stockholm Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Norrköping Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Göteborg Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Umeå Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Oslo Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Bergen Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Trondheim Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Helsinki Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Viipuri Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Vaasa Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> Atlantic Special Military District (4,300 men)
>> >> North Scandinavian Special Military District (4,300 men)

NSRS Navy Home Command (59 large ships of 38,300 personnel)
>> North Sea Fleet (25 large ships of 16,025 personnel)
>> >> 7 Coastal Defence Ships
>> >> 1 Light Cruiser
>> >> 5 Destroyers
>> >> 12 Submarines
>> Baltic Fleet (24 large ships of 15,700 personnel)
>> >> 7 Coastal Defence Ships
>> >> 1 Light Cruiser
>> >> 4 Destroyers
>> >> 12 Submarines
>> Norwegian Sea Fleet (10 large ships of 6,575 personnel)
>> >> 3 Coastal Defence Ships
>> >> 3 Destroyers
>> >> 4 Submarines

[Dahyan]

Loving it, and always great to have another faction in the US.

Thanks man, hopefully the NRP and the NOI can help each other out in the future.

Exactly what I was thinking too. Expect a communiqué from the Nation of Islam soon.

[The Felan Federation]

Considering that the USSR is much weaker in this RP than it was IRL at this time, if I can pull the Confederation into a joint guarantee of their independence with the NSRS - and I will certainly try to do exactly that - then the odds don't look nearly that hopeless, and the Baltic nations will probably prove far more reluctant to just peacefully surrender their independence.

That would be the logical path of action chosen by the Confederation to curb Soviet power in Eastern Europe. As long as they expand East, it is of little concern to the Confederation; pushing west, that's another matter.

Yeah. What he said...for reference below. Alongside the fact, the British wanted to use the Estonian Army to siege and kill off the Red Government in Petrograd and the Estonian Army was capable of doing so back then - it was a skilled and properly armed army enough to go toe-to-toe with the Soviets back in 1920s. One of the reasons the USSR was able to march into the Baltics in WW2 was a combination of them being squeezed between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union - alongside the fact, the leaders at the time was an authoritarian strong-man whom sold out the country, while most of the population didn't know what was going on at all.

Before that happened, there was a Finnish-Estonian pact to help each other in case of an attack AND the fact both sides built coastal artillery to help prevent any Soviet ships from leaving Petrograd. Mixed in with the fact that the Estonians also had chemical weapons developed and stockpiled.

The USSR at it's state marching in and 'taking it' will not end with people just giving up and surrendering. Even the initial take-over was successful because the USSR had managed to strong-arm the Baltics into allowing it to build military bases inside their own countries - which were used to help facilitate the takeover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_ ... dependence

[Wasi State]

Map Update, btw.

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And that's pretty neat and a good example, I'll add it to your roster. For everyone that's pretty much what I mean with an ORBAT sheet for anyone else needing ideas and examples on how that works for this RP. It's a handy thing to be able to reference.

[Strala]

Map Update, btw.

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And that's pretty neat and a good example, I'll add it to your roster. For everyone that's pretty much what I mean with an ORBAT sheet for anyone else needing ideas and examples on how that works for this RP. It's a handy thing to be able to reference.

What do you think would be an acceptable size for the CSR's army? I was thinking around one to two million.

[Wasi State]

Map Update, btw.



And that's pretty neat and a good example, I'll add it to your roster. For everyone that's pretty much what I mean with an ORBAT sheet for anyone else needing ideas and examples on how that works for this RP. It's a handy thing to be able to reference.

What do you think would be an acceptable size for the CSR's army? I was thinking around one to two million.

A little short of 1 million to your total manpower if you were just relying on volunteers (1.5% of your population) and haven't implemented any conscription laws. Of course having a big army will also affect your GDP and strain your ability equip all your men properly unless you have the military industrial complex to pull it off, so keep that in mind as well.

[The Felan Federation]

What do you think would be an acceptable size for the CSR's army? I was thinking around one to two million.

A little short of 1 million to your total manpower if you were just relying on volunteers (1.5% of your population) and haven't implemented any conscription laws. Of course having a big army will also affect your GDP and strain your ability equip all your men properly unless you have the military industrial complex to pull it off, so keep that in mind as well.

So...when the German Civil War starting?

[Strala]

What do you think would be an acceptable size for the CSR's army? I was thinking around one to two million.

A little short of 1 million to your total manpower if you were just relying on volunteers (1.5% of your population) and haven't implemented any conscription laws. Of course having a big army will also affect your GDP and strain your ability equip all your men properly unless you have the military industrial complex to pull it off, so keep that in mind as well.

Alright, I'll change it to be less than one million then. Heh, the CSR's forces will most likely be better armed, trained, and motivated compared to most warlord forces. The only factions that could probably match the CSR or be better than it would be the KMT and the Fengtian Clique.

[Wasi State]

A little short of 1 million to your total manpower if you were just relying on volunteers (1.5% of your population) and haven't implemented any conscription laws. Of course having a big army will also affect your GDP and strain your ability equip all your men properly unless you have the military industrial complex to pull it off, so keep that in mind as well.

So...when the German Civil War starting?

Pretty shortly, all things considered, Kaiser Wilhelm is still in a coma with not much time left in his life. And technically a couple places in the country are already experiencing uprisings and early engagements from the factional groups making their moves.

[Monsone]

So...when the German Civil War starting?

Pretty shortly, all things considered, Kaiser Wilhelm is still in a coma with not much time left in his life. And technically a couple places in the country are already experiencing uprisings and early engagements from the factional groups making their moves.

The German Civil War will probably benefit the USSR greatly.

[Plzen]

I mean, arguably the strongest military power of Europe situated at the very heart of the Continent going belly up in civil war? Yeah, there would be opportunities aplenty for just about anyone else willing to take a risk or two, the Soviets included.

NSRS’ ambitions in Germany are quite modest; we would like Danish-speaking Sønderjylland back under Scandinavian control, and we would like to avoid there being a totalitarian Germany in the heart of Europe.

I suspect we can work with the SPD to those ends.

[Monsone]

I mean, arguably the strongest military power of Europe situated at the very heart of the Continent going belly up in civil war? Yeah, there would be opportunities aplenty for just about anyone else willing to take a risk or two, the Soviets included.

NSRS’ ambitions in Germany are quite modest; we would like Danish-speaking Sønderjylland back under Scandinavian control, and we would like to avoid there being a totalitarian Germany in the heart of Europe.

I suspect we can work with the SPD to those ends.

The USSR has far less modest plans for Germany, that however do lead to an ultimate end goal the Soviets desire. Luckily, they won't conflict with the NSRS' plans for Germany.

[Strala]

I mean, arguably the strongest military power of Europe situated at the very heart of the Continent going belly up in civil war? Yeah, there would be opportunities aplenty for just about anyone else willing to take a risk or two, the Soviets included.

NSRS’ ambitions in Germany are quite modest; we would like Danish-speaking Sønderjylland back under Scandinavian control, and we would like to avoid there being a totalitarian Germany in the heart of Europe.

I suspect we can work with the SPD to those ends.

The USSR has far less modest plans for Germany, that however do lead to an ultimate end goal the Soviets desire. Luckily, they won't conflict with the NSRS' plans for Germany.

Do we have fellow revolutionaries in Germany currently? Also I'm assuming in this timeline, Stalin still believes in the socialism in a single country theory and makes it into a state policy

[Wasi State]

The USSR has far less modest plans for Germany, that however do lead to an ultimate end goal the Soviets desire. Luckily, they won't conflict with the NSRS' plans for Germany.

Do we have fellow revolutionaries in Germany currently? Also I'm assuming in this timeline, Stalin still believes in the socialism in a single country theory and makes it into a state policy

There are three brands of "leftist" style movements in Germany, the player-led SPD, the Authoritarian Marxist KDP, and the Revolutionary Libertarian Spartacus League.

[Strala]

Do we have fellow revolutionaries in Germany currently? Also I'm assuming in this timeline, Stalin still believes in the socialism in a single country theory and makes it into a state policy

There are three brands of "leftist" style movements in Germany, the player-led SPD, the Authoritarian Marxist KDP, and the Revolutionary Libertarian Spartacus League.

What exactly is the SPD? Are they anarchists? Democratic Socialists?

[Monsone]

The USSR has far less modest plans for Germany, that however do lead to an ultimate end goal the Soviets desire. Luckily, they won't conflict with the NSRS' plans for Germany.

Do we have fellow revolutionaries in Germany currently? Also I'm assuming in this timeline, Stalin still believes in the socialism in a single country theory and makes it into a state policy

I actually had a different group in mind.

[Wasi State]

There are three brands of "leftist" style movements in Germany, the player-led SPD, the Authoritarian Marxist KDP, and the Revolutionary Libertarian Spartacus League.

What exactly is the SPD? Are they anarchists? Democratic Socialists?

More or less the latter, the Spartacus League are the ones that are more anarchists. The SPD is pretty much moderate compared to their more radical counterparts.

[Wasi State]

Do we have fellow revolutionaries in Germany currently? Also I'm assuming in this timeline, Stalin still believes in the socialism in a single country theory and makes it into a state policy

I actually had a different group in mind.

Ooh now you have me intrigued.

[Monsone]

I actually had a different group in mind.

Ooh now you have me intrigued.

All I'm going to say about it for now is that it would kill two birds with one stone if it goes well, or it could be the end of the USSR if it goes really poorly. So, it's a high risk gamble.

[Strala]

Ooh now you have me intrigued.

All I'm going to say about it for now is that it would kill two birds with one stone if it goes well, or it could be the end of the USSR if it goes really poorly. So, it's a high risk gamble.

Why not support the Marxists comrade?

[Wasi State]

Ooh now you have me intrigued.

All I'm going to say about it for now is that it would kill two birds with one stone if it goes well, or it could be the end of the USSR if it goes really poorly. So, it's a high risk gamble.

I think I got an idea already of where you're going with this.

[New Sriker]

Ooh now you have me intrigued.

All I'm going to say about it for now is that it would kill two birds with one stone if it goes well, or it could be the end of the USSR if it goes really poorly. So, it's a high risk gamble.

Oh no, is it who i think?

[Monsone]

All I'm going to say about it for now is that it would kill two birds with one stone if it goes well, or it could be the end of the USSR if it goes really poorly. So, it's a high risk gamble.

Why not support the Marxists comrade?

Because sometimes the Marxists won't get you what you want. And in this case, the Marxists are lame ducks.

[New Sriker]

Almost done with Butler's response to the Las Vegas attack and The response to the message from the Nation of Islam.