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Sarderia
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Postby Sarderia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:27 am

Wasi State wrote:
Sarderia wrote:I like my concept for Armenia, but I kinda want to take Japan instead. With Japan I have more storyline to make, while playing Armenia revolves only with the problem regarding the Turkish population, and deterring a possible Soviet invasion.

I'll probably drop another app soon.

Feel free, Japan is still up for grabs.

I'll wait for a few more currently in-progress/new apps today and then I'll probably drop the IC at some point tomorrow.

Okay then. Reserve Russian far East, Korea, Manchuria, Japanese Trust Territories, and Japan proper.
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Wasi State
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Postby Wasi State » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:31 am

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Wasi State wrote:Feel free, Japan is still up for grabs.

I'll wait for a few more currently in-progress/new apps today and then I'll probably drop the IC at some point tomorrow.

Okay then. Reserve Russian far East, Korea, Manchuria, Japanese Trust Territories, and Japan proper.

All of those are well and good claims except for the Russian Far East, I'll leave that to petty Tsarist Warlords.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:36 am

Wasi State wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Okay then. Reserve Russian far East, Korea, Manchuria, Japanese Trust Territories, and Japan proper.

All of those are well and good claims except for the Russian Far East, I'll leave that to petty Tsarist Warlords.

Like the HOI4 chinese ones?
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Wasi State
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Postby Wasi State » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:38 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Wasi State wrote:All of those are well and good claims except for the Russian Far East, I'll leave that to petty Tsarist Warlords.

Like the HOI4 chinese ones?

Pretty much, East Asia is rife with Chinese and Russian warlord cliques, just more so in this timeline.
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Sarderia
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Postby Sarderia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:48 am

Wasi State wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Okay then. Reserve Russian far East, Korea, Manchuria, Japanese Trust Territories, and Japan proper.

All of those are well and good claims except for the Russian Far East, I'll leave that to petty Tsarist Warlords.

This is successful, and the Japanese estabilished a puppet state there instead.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:55 am

Sarderia wrote:
Wasi State wrote:All of those are well and good claims except for the Russian Far East, I'll leave that to petty Tsarist Warlords.

This is successful, and the Japanese estabilished a puppet state there instead.

the russo-japanese war? all they got basically was sakhalin and a railroad.
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Postby Plzen » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:06 am

Sarderia wrote:This is successful, and the Japanese estabilished a puppet state there instead.

...that land is wrong culture and wrong ideology, though. Sounds kind of like shooting yourself in the foot what with the stability hit and all.

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Wasi State
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Postby Wasi State » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:30 am

Sarderia wrote:
Wasi State wrote:All of those are well and good claims except for the Russian Far East, I'll leave that to petty Tsarist Warlords.

This is successful, and the Japanese estabilished a puppet state there instead.

I want to keep Siberia and the Far East Russia a bit interesting though and more of a challenge for you and even the USSR to pacify. All of Sakhalin is yours though.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:36 am

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Sarderia wrote:This is successful, and the Japanese estabilished a puppet state there instead.

I want to keep Siberia and the Far East Russia a bit interesting though and more of a challenge for you and even the USSR to pacify. All of Sakhalin is yours though.

question: because the USSR isn't intercontinental, does the Far East Republic still exist?
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Postby Wasi State » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:40 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Wasi State wrote:I want to keep Siberia and the Far East Russia a bit interesting though and more of a challenge for you and even the USSR to pacify. All of Sakhalin is yours though.

question: because the USSR isn't intercontinental, does the Far East Republic still exist?
Stalin's USSR holds only territory shown on the map, there are other Soviet styled factions with their own ideas all throughout Russia however, but they're not really all that united. So there a semblance of a Far East SSR, but it's not the only warlord clique in the Far East.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:43 am

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Mathuvan Union wrote:question: because the USSR isn't intercontinental, does the Far East Republic still exist?
Stalin's USSR holds only territory shown on the map, there are other Soviet styled factions with their own ideas all throughout Russia however, but they're not really all that united. So there a semblance of a Far East SSR, but it's not the only warlord clique in the Far East.

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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:45 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Wasi State wrote:I want to keep Siberia and the Far East Russia a bit interesting though and more of a challenge for you and even the USSR to pacify. All of Sakhalin is yours though.

question: because the USSR isn't intercontinental, does the Far East Republic still exist?


I don't know. But the thing is, the USSR at the moment wants ro expand to where resources are. So that would mainly mean staying west of the Urals initially since Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasus, and some of the northern lands are more important. And even when the USSR crosses the Urals, the initial push would still leave the USSR east of Lake Baikal because Chelyabinsk, Yekaterinburg, and Novosibirsk are more important than Irkutsk or Vladivostok in terms of resources, and industry.

I'm guessing taking the Far East would be a lot like Khalkin Gol, but likely even more fierce Soviet attacks. It is also likely to be the last place the USSR conquerors as it would likely build up strength and manpower to take the land in one swift blow.
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Plzen
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Postby Plzen » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:52 am

Perhaps what the NSRS needs is a few buffer states to keep the USSR away from itself...

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Postby Monsone » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:54 am

Plzen wrote:Perhaps what the NSRS needs is a few buffer states to keep the USSR away from itself...

You realize that Stalin wants to unify what is left of Russia. And even then, Finland is not on his hit list because it is not really resource rich, it doesn’t have a large Russian minority, and it is not the easiest place the invade. Basically, you're safe for now.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:05 am

Monsone wrote:
Plzen wrote:Perhaps what the NSRS needs is a few buffer states to keep the USSR away from itself...

You realize that Stalin wants to unify what is left of Russia. And even then, Finland is not on his hit list because it is not really resource rich, it doesn’t have a large Russian minority, and it is not the easiest place the invade. Basically, you're safe for now.

emphasis on for now
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Postby Flowerdell » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:05 am

Monsone wrote:
Plzen wrote:Perhaps what the NSRS needs is a few buffer states to keep the USSR away from itself...

You realize that Stalin wants to unify what is left of Russia. And even then, Finland is not on his hit list because it is not really resource rich, it doesn’t have a large Russian minority, and it is not the easiest place the invade. Basically, you're safe for now.


I don't think a nation internally is thinking "Sure, that despot Stalin has clear and achievable ambitions and would never overstep his bounds."

If you're within a certain radius of Stalin, you prepare for when he reaches you.

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Plzen
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Postby Plzen » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:11 am

Monsone wrote:Basically, you're safe for now.

"When you see a rattlesnake poised to strike, you do not wait until he has struck before you crush him." - F. D. Roosevelt, "Fireside Chat", 1941

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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:22 am

Flowerdell wrote:
Monsone wrote:You realize that Stalin wants to unify what is left of Russia. And even then, Finland is not on his hit list because it is not really resource rich, it doesn’t have a large Russian minority, and it is not the easiest place the invade. Basically, you're safe for now.


I don't think a nation internally is thinking "Sure, that despot Stalin has clear and achievable ambitions and would never overstep his bounds."

If you're within a certain radius of Stalin, you prepare for when he reaches you.


Even if that possibility of getting invaded is at least 10+ years away (I'm guessing 1950 at the earliest). As I have said plenty of times, Stalin's sole priority at the moment is reuniting what is left of the Russian Empire and integrate it into the USSR. Does Stalin want Finland? Possibly. But he isn't suicidal and won't go about invading random countries because he has his own methodical plan to reunite the former Russian Empire.
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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:28 am

Plzen wrote:
Monsone wrote:Basically, you're safe for now.

"When you see a rattlesnake poised to strike, you do not wait until he has struck before you crush him." - F. D. Roosevelt, "Fireside Chat", 1941


Completely ignoring the fact that rattlesnakes only strike when they've bean threatened. This quote implies you agitated the rattlesnake (USSR) somehow, and now that you did so, instead of doing the logical thing and running as quickly as you can from the rattlesnake, you're going to try killing it now that it is ready to strike and deffend itself. And it's pretty hard to crush a rattlesnake that is about to lurch and bite which means you're likely to get bitten by the snake since it is faster than you trying to find a suitable rock and then attempting to crush the snake.
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Union Princes
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Postby Union Princes » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:36 am

Meanwhile in America:

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Wasi State
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Postby Wasi State » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:49 am

Updated map again with some changes. I added more states for the AFP.
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The Felan Federation
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Postby The Felan Federation » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:18 am

Wasi State wrote:Updated map again with some changes. I added more states for the AFP.


Why does the SPD only have a tiny sliver in Berlin?

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Wasi State
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Postby Wasi State » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:26 am

The Felan Federation wrote:
Wasi State wrote:Updated map again with some changes. I added more states for the AFP.


Why does the SPD only have a tiny sliver in Berlin?

So there wasn't just a random dot in the middle of Brandenburg that is Berlin, and I assumed you meant all of it in the event of a German Civil War which SDP would initially control first.

Edit: I guess initially Berlin could fall under No Authority depending on the multiple warring factions present in the city trying to assume control.
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Nazeroth
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:26 am

b]Country/Political Group/Anarchic State(Full Name):[/b] Sicherheitszone der Sturmabteilung(Storm Detachment Security Zone)
Head of State/Leader: Stabschef Ernst Rhom
Location: Anarchic Rhine Territory: Frankfurt
Government Type: Rhomist National Socialist Warlord State
Capital: Frankfurt
National Debuffs (Pick Two or Three):
Magere Arme : While militaristic, the Storm Detachments are more Militias being utlized by Rhom, when they left Hitlers camp they were mostly armed with light weapons and vehicles, lacking any heavy armor or air weapons. As such the security forces operate with a majority of infantry level weaponry along with some trucks and armored cars.
Atlantkampf: Rhom's forces are stuck inside an active warzone on the western front. With probing attacks by Western powers a constant threat and fear of forces loyal to the German government attempting to wipe them out. It seems that perhaps they haven't been crushed completely because they are also fighting Germany's enemies.
GDP: 18 million
Population: 2 million
History: Following a failed assassination attempt and the anarchic western front's spreading, Ernst Rhom removed his brownshirts from Hitlers faction. Rhom moved his militias to Frankfurt and now hold the city, vying for control of German territory while also facing probing attacks by French and other forces with the ongoing war. He now operates as a warlord with his own Spartan-esque version of National Socialism, notably homosexuality is not punished and the organization has become a sort of despotic militant brotherhood. Antisemitism is still rife however.
Map Color: Brown

Flag:
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Postby Nazeroth » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:31 am

I need help figuring out GDP and Population for my little city-state.
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