Apocalypse: 1936 (PT/OOC/OPEN)

[New Sriker]

A post on Butler's Rally in Las Vegas has been posted, I'll finish the Post about the NOI tomorrow.

[Wasi State]

How I imagine this rp will conclude

So Long

It doesn't help that Himmler is currently around.

I don't think the Poles in Germany would join the Confederation either, but it's up to the OP at the end of the day.

The PFDG at the end of the day would likely set up their own provisional government first after their war with Germany, and then decide where their future will head after that. It'll depend on who can influence them better, of course them joining the Confederation outright afterwards is a good possibility if delegations can appeal to them.

[Union Princes]

Hey OP, how's the polls for the election? Are Long's speeches doing anything?

[Wasi State]

Hey OP, how's the polls for the election? Are Long's speeches doing anything?

They are doing quite a bunch wherever he goes. I'll make an electoral map and calculate the numbers to 1936 standards.

[New Sriker]

Hey OP, how's the polls for the election? Are Long's speeches doing anything?

They are doing quite a bunch wherever he goes. I'll make an electoral map and calculate the numbers to 1936 standards.

Already know which state Butler's going to next

[Dahyan]

A post on Butler's Rally in Las Vegas has been posted, I'll finish the Post about the NOI tomorrow.

Looking forward to it.

[New Sriker]

A post on Butler's Rally in Las Vegas has been posted, I'll finish the Post about the NOI tomorrow.

Looking forward to it.

Just waiting for one more person to post in IC so I don't spam the IC with NRP posts

[Union Princes]

This Muslim-Communist alliance is something I wouldn't expect. Will this pact be known in IC?

[New Sriker]

This Muslim-Communist alliance is something I wouldn't expect. Will this pact be known in IC?

Butler will let it be known that the NRP and the NOI are on good terms, since he plans on sending PRA Militia groups depending on the state to NOI protest as guards so racists don't attack them, unless they want a gunfight. But it's not known the terms the two agreed on.

[Union Princes]

I see, well this will be interesting

[Sarderia]

Jan Sierada is actually President of the Belarusian Democratic Republic in real life - and he's not a Pole by any means. The starting point of the Confederation itself is basically the Ukrainians fighting the Soviets to prevent them entering Poland, the Polish and Ukrainian armies preventing Belarus from falling into Soviet hands, as well as the Polish and Belarusian armies securing important cities west of the Dnieper like Dnipro, Zaporozhia, and Kharkiv remains in the Ukrainian PR. So if the Confederation breaks apart, the three nations would still be staunch allies of each other. They saw the USSR as a continuation of the Russian Empire - not to mention Stalin's cult of personality, the famines in the USSR, and other bad aspects of the USSR already tarnished the USSR's reputation towards the Belarusians, Poles, and Ukrainians. The Confederation is led by a strongman, Polish Marshal Edward Rydz-Śmigły, which led the Polish Army to liberate Belarus and attack the Soviets in Ukraine - so it is expected that he's on good terms with both nations' governments. Until the Soviet Union falls down, it is extremely unlikely foreign governments would manage to even barely sow tensions inside the Confederation. After the USSR is gone, certainly, but not before.

They would already have collapsed at this point, considering they're, well, anarchist. That meant no formal state governments, and within a year a Black Guard officer would settle in a major town and collect followers of his own, followed by another, and so until the Black Guard is splintered to pieces. It might end peacefully, but Makhnovia would still be splintered into more than a dozen independent oblasts and city-states that would be difficult to unite... unless they share the same culture, that being Ukrainian and Cossack. And the Confederation has both.

Let my disect this:

1) Jan Sierada was from Navahrudak in Grodno Province which has a large Polish population, and he is in fact an ethnic Pole despite being born in Belarus. The last name Sierada is Polish, and is most common in Poland. And Sierda even was educated in Warsaw, Poland. Yes Sierada might have been from Belarus, but he not likely viewed by many Belarusians as being Belarusian because of his last name and his place of education. In fact, his legitimacy was partially thanks to the fact that the Belarusian SSR was being kept stable by the NKVD. Yep, that's right, after his independentist bout, Sierada worked for the Soviets, so it's not unlikely he would cooperate with them in this RP just like he did IRL to possibly spare some of Belarus's autonomy.

2) Why would the Confederation continue to be allies when the Soviets are promising Poland their own homeland bearing the name of Poland in return for backstabing the Ukranians and the Belarusians? You can preach all you want about unity, but in the end, you're only united against the USSR. While the leader of the Confederation may be admired for having given the Soviets a bloody nose, the USSR is still around and seeking revenge.

And don't think other nations can't sow ethnic strife in the Confederation. It's a really simple task to do actually since the only way for the Confederation to respond would be to fight the rebels because granting their demands would mean likely loosing a member of the Confederation. And then guess what? The USSR sends most of it's army west and helps the rebles. Add in the local pro-Soviet groups and suddenly chaos erupts. I wouldn't act like you've got a lid on things. You're sitting on a pressure cooker that hasn't been secured. No one knows when it will blow, but when it does, I can assure you of one thing, the Confederation will not survive.

3) I really don't care if the Makhnovia is splintered, because that would make the Soviet's job a lot easier. As for sharing a similar culture, well of course the USSR and the Makhnovia do! The Cossack culture is well integrated into Russian culture by the 19th century, and Ukranian culture is also very similar to Russian culture. The same goes for Belarusian culture. In fact, Poland is the exception since they are Catholic, use the Latin alaphabet, and have a separate, unique culture from that of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine which has thanks to centuries of Tsarist rule become extremely similar and quite integrated into eachother.



In fact, this almost sounds godmody. The perfect Confederation that can't be splintered and has managed to smooth over tensions well over a millenia old that is also a cohesive nation-state despite really lacking a unifying culture save for crying 'Death to the USSR!' and a general history of hating the USSR but with no other real substance to the unifying culture. The same Confederation that can't be splintered by rivalries dating back to before Russia was a country, the same Confederation that has no lingustic issues despite using two different alpahbets with three languages being spoken, the same Confederation that is so perfect compared to the half-baked zombie state known as the USSR that is barely getting by because something known as the Russian Civil War is still going on. If that is not the very definition of godmoding, then I don't know really what is. You've given the Confederation unfair advantages not in land area terms, technological, military, or industrial terms. Instead, you've given the Confederation the long desired ability to be able to smooth over any ethnic tensions and rivalries regardless of how deep those tenssions run. And I would say this would be a logical outcome if this was a centralized, authoritarian state like the USSR. But a loose confederation would never acheive this without becoming an authoritatian, centralized, and bureocratic regime.

1) He was educated in Warsaw, and I do not know for sure if he was born from a Polish ethnicity or background, as I have no exact information regarding that. But what matters is Jan Sierade in this timeline formed the Belarusian Socialist Assembly, headed the First All-Belarusian Congress, proclaimed leader of Belarus shortly before the Soviets invaded, and actually defended the newborn nation-state with the Polish and Ukrainian armies both against the Soviets. That alone gave him credibility to lead the nation. Take into note that the Confederation is also socialist, in addition to nationalist, but there are factions within the real-life separatist states that wanted both a socialist and independent state, not one in union with Moscow.

2) Poland is situated between Germany and the USSR. Nothing can be more precarious than that, and the fact that Belarus and Ukraine is also threatened by both nations, presents a case enough to warrant some sort of unification. The present German civil war have already spooked the Confederation leaders - if the Nazis, the SA, or the Socialists rose to power, then war with Germany in the near future would be inevitable. The Polish leadership and the Polish people themselves knew that the chances of them to survive are small standing alone compared to joining the Confederation. Lest of all, the Ukrainians and Belarusians also had a hand in defending Poland from initial Bolshevik agression. Out of necessity, I can see how the Confederation managed to bond so well despite the ethnic and religious differences - they share a common enemy, a same government system, largely the same ideology, and the desire to stay independent. It may not form as much of a national bond like the Communist ideology of the USSR, but it is enough to secure the Confederation's unity. As I said, until the Soviets are gone - or probably Stalin replaced with a less revanchist leader, or a non-agression pact signed with each the Confederation nations, it would never be broken by the Soviets. Other nations, perhaps, if they managed to ignite ethnic tensions between the Confederation's population, but certainly not the Soviets - they would perceive it as just another Bolshevik propaganda. And would it were to be broken, the separation would most probably happen peacefully, All rebel groups by this time has been stamped out, or integrated - they can't risk Soviet sympathizers, after all.

3) In real life the USSR largely destroyed the Cossack estate; the goverment, society structure, all assimilated into the broader Soviet society. If that is still the case, I don't think the Soviets would be gladly accepted by the Cossacks. Not to mention the Ukrainian People's Republic, member of the Confederation, actually preserved the Zaporozhian Cossacks as well as receiving Volga and Don cossack refugees that were to join the White Army. Ukraine is more culturally similar to the former Makhnovia than the USSR - and noting that the USSR largely composed by ethnic Russians, I wager the Cossacks and ex-Makhnovist forces would receive Ukraninians more eagerly than they do Bolshevik Russians.

[New Sriker]

My post is up, not the biggest but didn't have that much time for this one.

[Monsone]

Comrades, the USSR is dead. Long live the Russian Social Republic!

[Wasi State]

Comrades, the USSR is dead. Long live the Russian Social Republic!

Interesting.

There's... A good chance Stalin might get coup attempts on him from his hardliners, so keep that in mind.

[Plzen]

There's... A good chance Stalin might get coup attempts on him from his hardliners, so keep that in mind.

Russia’s going to be chaos for the next few years as new institutions gets established and people of very different beliefs have to learn to work together.

This might be a good opportunity for me to expand on some of the NSRS’ more extensive foreign policy objectives...

[Monsone]

Comrades, the USSR is dead. Long live the Russian Social Republic!

Interesting.

There's... A good chance Stalin might get coup attempts on him from his hardliners, so keep that in mind.

True. And I'm going to RP a Kronshtadt Rebelion type scenario in Leningrad Petrograd in which the Baltic Fleet (which was IRL very pro-Soviet) rebels against the new government, and Stalin has to send in the Red Army Russian Army to crush to rebelion. But that would likely happen a few days after the declaration, if not a few months after.

[Monsone]

There's... A good chance Stalin might get coup attempts on him from his hardliners, so keep that in mind.

Russia’s going to be chaos for the next few years as new institutions gets established and people of very different beliefs have to learn to work together.

This might be a good opportunity for me to expand on some of the NSRS’ more extensive foreign policy objectives...

Possibly. I mean in what was the USSR, the institutions are just going to be rebranded to sound less communist/socialist. but in the rest of Russia that wasn't under Soviet control, yes there whill be a bit on chaos. Similarly, it's likely unification talks would possibly break down as Stalin's cronies try to outmanuver Kerensky's and Kolchack's. But either way, it should be fun.

I also should note, Stalin still runs the nation with an iron girp, and initially at least, not much will change from the USSR. Then again, once some more radical changes happen, it's going to become a more complex and strange scenario.

[Strala]

Russia’s going to be chaos for the next few years as new institutions gets established and people of very different beliefs have to learn to work together.

This might be a good opportunity for me to expand on some of the NSRS’ more extensive foreign policy objectives...

Possibly. I mean in what was the USSR, the institutions are just going to be rebranded to sound less communist/socialist. but in the rest of Russia that wasn't under Soviet control, yes there whill be a bit on chaos. Similarly, it's likely unification talks would possibly break down as Stalin's cronies try to outmanuver Kerensky's and Kolchack's. But either way, it should be fun.

I also should note, Stalin still runs the nation with an iron girp, and initially at least, not much will change from the USSR. Then again, once some more radical changes happen, it's going to become a more complex and strange scenario.

Less communist and socialist? What sort of vile revisionism have you been experimenting with? Seriously I think some sort of denouement of the new regime will be coming from the CSR.

[Democratic East-Asia]

>Stalin turning the USSR back to Russia

This is cursed and not very epic of him. Revolutionaries around the world don't approve.

[Wasi State]

>Stalin turning the USSR back to Russia

This is cursed and not very epic of him. Revolutionaries around the world don't approve.

Stalin is a pro-gamer, making the big brain plays confirmed.

[Monsone]

>Stalin turning the USSR back to Russia

This is cursed and not very epic of him. Revolutionaries around the world don't approve.

Eh, it's ironically enough for the greater good. It means likely a quicker end to the Russian Civil War, a unification of Russian lands, and above all, it means freedom and democracy for the Russia people in this case. And sucre, it could be called cursed, but it's going to be epic.

[Union Princes]

Will Trotsky come back from Exile?

[Wasi State]

Will Trotsky come back from Exile?

Trotsky probably wasn't in exile to begin with, he's probably in some further out, fringe warlord land away from Western Russia. Hell given the general theme in this RP, I'm willing to wager Rasputin being alive too along with Alexi.

[Monsone]

Will Trotsky come back from Exile?

I mean he could, but Stalin would more than likely become head of the Russian Communist Party, so Trotsky would have to form his own power base and party. Or Trotsky might just return to live in peace in Russia.

[Union Princes]

I wonder what Animal Farm and 1984 is transformed into because of this change in the Russian Revolution and the subsequent Civil War. Maybe Animal Farm will be a satire on America during the Great Depression and the 1936 election while 1984 will about the fallout of Germany after they went through their Civil War.