Apocalypse: 1936 (PT/OOC/OPEN)

[Monsone]

I was under the impression that debuffs had to be negative? The USSR’s don’t seem to really have a negative side to their national debuffs.

It's not like the five year plans and Stalin's rule cause periodical food shortages and famines that affect the poor and the political dissidents, or that the NKVD will commit extrajudicial murder in the name of the state as well as purge anyone who is viewed as unloyal. So yeah the NKVD does keep the USSR peaceful enough, but at what cost? And of course the Five Year Plans brought more industry to the USSR, but it mainly is war industry, and it hasn't done much to increase the quality of life; combine that with the occasional famine as well as the the cult of personality and you'll realize the USSR is a complete clusterf*ck. Sure it isn't in complete anarchy, but at what price? It's people still suffer and Stalin is gearing up for a bloody war of unification.

[The Felan Federation]

I was under the impression that debuffs had to be negative? The USSR’s don’t seem to really have a negative side to their national debuffs.

It's not like the five year plans and Stalin's rule cause periodical food shortages and famines that affect the poor and the political dissidents, or that the NKVD will commit extrajudicial murder in the name of the state as well as purge anyone who is viewed as unloyal. So yeah the NKVD does keep the USSR peaceful enough, but at what cost? And of course the Five Year Plans brought more industry to the USSR, but it mainly is war industry, and it hasn't done much to increase the quality of life; combine that with the occasional famine as well as the the cult of personality and you'll realize the USSR is a complete clusterf*ck. Sure it isn't in complete anarchy, but at what price? It's people still suffer and Stalin is gearing up for a bloody war of unification.

I am curious where he is getting the resources. Seeing how he likely doesn't have a Ukraine to steal from under his thumb.

[Monsone]

It's not like the five year plans and Stalin's rule cause periodical food shortages and famines that affect the poor and the political dissidents, or that the NKVD will commit extrajudicial murder in the name of the state as well as purge anyone who is viewed as unloyal. So yeah the NKVD does keep the USSR peaceful enough, but at what cost? And of course the Five Year Plans brought more industry to the USSR, but it mainly is war industry, and it hasn't done much to increase the quality of life; combine that with the occasional famine as well as the the cult of personality and you'll realize the USSR is a complete clusterf*ck. Sure it isn't in complete anarchy, but at what price? It's people still suffer and Stalin is gearing up for a bloody war of unification.

I am curious where he is getting the resources. Seeing how he likely doesn't have a Ukraine to steal from under his thumb.

Uh, it's not like the plans have caused mass famine and starvation. It's not so much from where the resources are stealed as from who they are stolen from. And in this case it is the ultra rich or the poor with the middle class being affected, but to a lesser extent. The rich loose all their property that is then used for the propogation of industry either via spending the newly aquired capital, or recycling older materials. And the poor are stolen of their food to feed the grwoing industrial cities as well as the Red Army. It's basically a zero sum game. If someone or something does well, someone suffered for it to occur. And it's not impossible for the USSR to be willing to covertly trade for goods from the rest of Russia or even from countries that have some to spare. Or as an alternative, just melt down some old bells and other large pieces of metal you've got sitting around (like the Baltic Fleet!) and turn that metal into something more useful like guns, trains, industrial goods, etc. And it's also the case that older trains and basically all metal that is not in use is being turned into something useful like a truck engine. What is a chronic issue is the lack of oil (which is why Stalin wants to take the Caucasus as well as Ukraine as soon as possible to gain more resources for the USSR).

[Nazeroth]

wondering about being a warlord faction ran by Ernst Rhom and his storm detachment/brownshirts and as a rival to Hitler after a failed assasination attempt.

[Plzen]

(like the Baltic Fleet!)

Very interesting... Certainly the Russian fleet being dismantled is within the Northern interest. There is probably considerable tension between the NSRS and the USSR, what with our shared border and awkward geographical proximity.

wondering about being a warlord faction ran by Ernst Rhom and his storm detachment/brownshirts and as a rival to Hitler after a failed assasination attempt.

...Ordenstaat Burgund?

[Wasi State]

wondering about being a warlord faction ran by Ernst Rhom and his storm detachment/brownshirts and as a rival to Hitler after a failed assasination attempt.

Considering the NSDAP is still attempting to get into power in Germany, and people like Gregor Strasser are still alive to further muddle the ongoing power struggle going on the Second Reich. Rhom being alive and well to be a serious contender is perfectly all well and good.

[Wasi State]

...Ordenstaat Burgund?

Himmler and Heydrich may also be psychotically evil and completely insane too in this RP by sheer 'coincidence' .

(Well more so than their already scumbag RL counterparts)

[Monsone]

(like the Baltic Fleet!)

Very interesting... Certainly the Russian fleet being dismantled is within the Northern interest. There is probably considerable tension between the NSRS and the USSR, what with our shared border and awkward geographical proximity.

Definitely. Though maybe a exchange? Resources for peace and the USSR taking some northern lands to reduce the cross border raids? It would be mutually beneficial after all.

Note, there still is a Baltic Fleet l, it just is a lot smaller, but there are plans for expansion once Stalin achieves his ultimate goals but until then, the Baltic Fleet is mainly destroyers and a few cruisers.

[Nazeroth]

Well, i was going to be Rhom as a warlord, since he was very militaristic and his men were expected rewards and power for their service. Following an assasination attempt for this roleplay where he survives he would basically create his own brand of warlordism mixed with elements of national socialism, with a heavier influence from personal courage and militarism than race.

[Plzen]

Definitely. Though maybe a exchange? Resources for peace and the USSR taking some northern lands to reduce the cross border raids? It would be mutually beneficial after all.

Note, there still is a Baltic Fleet l, it just is a lot smaller, but there are plans for expansion once Stalin achieves his ultimate goals but until then, the Baltic Fleet is mainly destroyers and a few cruisers.

Unlikely, at least for now. Norden’s government is paralysed and ineffective (see my national spirits) - with a gridlocked parliament and chronic infighting within the government, it simply can’t push through something like a major shift in diplomatic policy.

[Wasi State]

Well, i was going to be Rhom as a warlord, since he was very militaristic and his men were expected rewards and power for their service. Following an assasination attempt for this roleplay where he survives he would basically create his own brand of warlordism mixed with elements of national socialism, with a heavier influence from personal courage and militarism than race.

Sounds good to me, feel free to make an app for him and his clique. Now as for location you could have his political base be centered anywhere, but considering you mentioned him as adopting the warlordism brand, I'll allow you to spawn his group in one of the ruined states in the Rhineland.

[Monsone]

Definitely. Though maybe a exchange? Resources for peace and the USSR taking some northern lands to reduce the cross border raids? It would be mutually beneficial after all.

Note, there still is a Baltic Fleet l, it just is a lot smaller, but there are plans for expansion once Stalin achieves his ultimate goals but until then, the Baltic Fleet is mainly destroyers and a few cruisers.

Unlikely, at least for now. Norden’s government is paralysed and ineffective (see my national spirits) - with a gridlocked parliament and chronic infighting within the government, it simply can’t push through something like a major shift in diplomatic policy.

Good point. Speaking of which, I want to know how long people think it would take to unify the USSR. IRL it was 5 years, and I would assume 5 years in this RP also is logical if you rebuild the railroads and infrastructure as you conqueror it. But at the same time, the Russian Civil War has raged for a decade now, so I don't know what an appropriate time frame would be, though I would assume Stalin's promise of peace, security, and prosperity compared to anarchy or war is appealing to the Russian people.

[Wasi State]

Unlikely, at least for now. Norden’s government is paralysed and ineffective (see my national spirits) - with a gridlocked parliament and chronic infighting within the government, it simply can’t push through something like a major shift in diplomatic policy.

Good point. Speaking of which, I want to know how long people think it would take to unify the USSR. IRL it was 5 years, and I would assume 5 years in this RP also is logical if you rebuild the railroads and infrastructure as you conqueror it. But at the same time, the Russian Civil War has raged for a decade now, so I don't know what an appropriate time frame would be, though I would assume Stalin's promise of peace, security, and prosperity compared to anarchy or war is appealing to the Russian people.

I would imagine it would take a minimum of a couple years baring opposing factionalism and global crisis, it's definitely within the scope of the RP that Russia will be reunified one way or another.

[The Felan Federation]

Unlikely, at least for now. Norden’s government is paralysed and ineffective (see my national spirits) - with a gridlocked parliament and chronic infighting within the government, it simply can’t push through something like a major shift in diplomatic policy.

Good point. Speaking of which, I want to know how long people think it would take to unify the USSR. IRL it was 5 years, and I would assume 5 years in this RP also is logical if you rebuild the railroads and infrastructure as you conqueror it. But at the same time, the Russian Civil War has raged for a decade now, so I don't know what an appropriate time frame would be, though I would assume Stalin's promise of peace, security, and prosperity compared to anarchy or war is appealing to the Russian people.

I'd say ten years at minimum.

Much of the manpower, potential officers and industry itself has likely collapsed on itself and then some more.

[Monsone]

Good point. Speaking of which, I want to know how long people think it would take to unify the USSR. IRL it was 5 years, and I would assume 5 years in this RP also is logical if you rebuild the railroads and infrastructure as you conqueror it. But at the same time, the Russian Civil War has raged for a decade now, so I don't know what an appropriate time frame would be, though I would assume Stalin's promise of peace, security, and prosperity compared to anarchy or war is appealing to the Russian people.

I would imagine it would take a minimum of a couple years baring opposing factionalism and global crisis, it's definitely within the scope of the RP that Russia will be reunified one way or another.

I'm going to say Stalin's goal would be 1942 at the latest (20th anniversary of the founding of the USSR). But 1940-1942 is a likely time frame in my opinion if someone doesn't screw it up.

[Wasi State]

I would imagine it would take a minimum of a couple years baring opposing factionalism and global crisis, it's definitely within the scope of the RP that Russia will be reunified one way or another.

I'm going to say Stalin's goal would be 1942 at the latest (20th anniversary of the founding of the USSR). But 1940-1942 is a likely time frame in my opinion if someone doesn't screw it up.

Possibly a bit optimistic, but yeah sounds about right if Stalin can play a lot of his cards right .

[Monsone]

Good point. Speaking of which, I want to know how long people think it would take to unify the USSR. IRL it was 5 years, and I would assume 5 years in this RP also is logical if you rebuild the railroads and infrastructure as you conqueror it. But at the same time, the Russian Civil War has raged for a decade now, so I don't know what an appropriate time frame would be, though I would assume Stalin's promise of peace, security, and prosperity compared to anarchy or war is appealing to the Russian people.

I'd say ten years at minimum.

Much of the manpower, potential officers and industry itself has likely collapsed on itself and then some more.

Sure it's collapsed, but considering the USSR has more industry than other rival nations trying to unify Russia, it certainly is an advantage. And the promise of peace could even lead to parts of the nation joining the USSR peacefully. And the USSR has been around for 14 years, a lack of military experience is not a huge issue due to the constant border clashes.

[The Felan Federation]

I'd say ten years at minimum.

Much of the manpower, potential officers and industry itself has likely collapsed on itself and then some more.

Sure it's collapsed, but considering the USSR has more industry than other rival nations trying to unify Russia, it certainly is an advantage. And the promise of peace could even lead to parts of the nation joining the USSR peacefully. And the USSR has been around for 14 years, a lack of military experience is not a huge issue due to the constant border clashes.

Still, I'd say longer than in our timeline.

Since this strife between civil war, anarchy and tense peace, has been going for a long time and some people that may or may not have played a part in Stalin's regime are likely dead or be it elsewhere.

[Monsone]

Sure it's collapsed, but considering the USSR has more industry than other rival nations trying to unify Russia, it certainly is an advantage. And the promise of peace could even lead to parts of the nation joining the USSR peacefully. And the USSR has been around for 14 years, a lack of military experience is not a huge issue due to the constant border clashes.

Still, I'd say longer than in our timeline.

Since this strife between civil war, anarchy and tense peace, has been going for a long time and some people that may or may not have played a part in Stalin's regime are likely dead or be it elsewhere.

True. But it is also possible that this could go just like it did in our timeline IRL because so far the USSR is Russia's strongest faction with no clear rivals in the civil war.

Now imagine this. You're a peasant in Southern Ukraine. For nearly 20 years there has been war. Sure you're getting by, but just barely. And you're dirt poor. Then comes along a message. If your province joins the USSR, all will prosper and Russia will be united once again. Ad in some other nationalist BS and the fact the Red Army could take your homeland by force if they wanted to, and suddenly becoming a citizen of the USSR, living in peace and relative prosperity and stability sounds pretty nice (especially since the propaganda would gloss over the bad stuff like famine of colectivization).

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

tag, this is quite fascinating, what's the status of Asia then?

[Wasi State]

tag, this is quite fascinating, what's the status of Asia then?

In many ways a bit similar to OTL but far more chaotic. China is still undergoing its period of warlordism, with the further far west and north you go becoming more anarchic with nomadic Gobi Desert and Central Asian steppe tribalism being commonplace. Far eastern Siberia is home to Russian raiders and White Army remnants. A Sino-Japanese war looms on the horizon as it did in RL, but Japan has found itself far more desperate for resources to stay afloat as a key reason for wanting to conquer the Chinese Mainland.

[Wasi State]

Also brief map update, will put this in the OP.

[Strala]

Tag. I'll get a chinese communist state up and running somewhere in china, maybe.
If I ever get motivated to start writing that app

[Sarderia]

Country: Great Armenian State | Haykakan Mets Petut'yun | Հայկական Մեծ պետություն
Head of State/Leader: Chancellor Arrajnord Arantsar Moses Horozian
Head of Government: President Mikhal Artashvili
Location: Armenia, Azerbajian, Georgia, Eastern Turkey
Government Type: Semi-Presidential Republic (close to being One-Party State)
Capital: Yerevan
National Debuffs:
GDP:
Population: 15,317,361 (Georgia SSR, Azerbajian SSR, Armenian SSR, Eastern Turkey, no Armenian Genocide)
History:
Map Color: Burgundy

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This is interesting! History coming soon. I can't get a good figure at the GDP, though.

[Union Princes]

Shoot, I should actually update my app to expand my AFP influence to encompass all the Southern States.