The 1990s, A New World RP (OOC/OPEN)

[Strala]

Bruh i just wanted to invade kuwait and now you are all hell bent on rewriting history

A North Korean victory was extremely likely early on in the war.

[Mathuvan Union]

Bruh i just wanted to invade kuwait and now you are all hell bent on rewriting history

A North Korean victory was extremely likely early on in the war.

They were pushed back very deep.
And then Incheon happened.

[Strala]

A North Korean victory was extremely likely early on in the war.

They were pushed back very deep.
And then Incheon happened.

Yep. Either way in this timeline the North Koreans will win and will likely adopt Chinese like reforms during the 80s. So which option that I stated for a North Korean victory seems more likely?

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

They were pushed back very deep.
And then Incheon happened.

Yep. Either way in this timeline the North Koreans will win and will likely adopt Chinese like reforms during the 80s. So which option that I stated for a North Korean victory seems more likely?

I think the most likely is the UN either acts too slowly or fails to act entirely. While the US is busy trying to gather international support, the North Koreans are battering Pusan. I think this is possible, irl the Soviets boycotted the vote, but if they attended and vetoed it then the UN would be unable to act. Perhaps the Soviets could stall with a fake negotiation with the US to boycott the vote in return for american votes on other issues. Meanwhile, the South Koreans lose hope and finally surrender, probably around mid to late 1952. We could probably see a vietnam style exodus after this, with up to 2 million South Koreans escaping to the US. So perhaps you could have a slightly smaller population to account for this.

[Monsone]

Country (Full Official Name): Iraqi Republic

Head Of Government: Saddam Hussein

Head Of State: Saddam Hussein

Location: Pre-gulf war borders of Iraq

GDP: $179.9 billion

GDP Per Capita: $10,326.90

Population: 17.42 million

Currency: Iraqi dinar

Faction: Non-aligned

History: Same as Iraq IRL up until this point.

Did you read the rules in full?: Yes

Accepted.

[Monsone]

ountry (Full Official Name): Republic of Taiwan

Head Of Government: Chen Shui-Bian

Head Of State: Chen Shui-Bian

Location: Formosa Islands

GDP: 345 million U.S dollar

GDP Per Capita: 9876 U.S dollar

Population: 21.6 million

Currency: New Taiwanese dollar

Faction: NATO

History: Basically the same until in 1990, DPP win the election and declaring Taiwanese independence

Did you read the rules in full?: Yes

I'm actually convinced to say yes to this, but you need to lower your population by 1 million, explain how Taiwan managed to declare independence and what went down when they did, and I think Taiwan has a Premier that holds the position of Head of Government, so that would also need to be changed.

Edit accordingly if you wish to join the RP.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

ountry (Full Official Name): Republic of Taiwan

Head Of Government: Chen Shui-Bian

Head Of State: Chen Shui-Bian

Location: Formosa Islands

GDP: 345 million U.S dollar

GDP Per Capita: 9876 U.S dollar

Population: 21.6 million

Currency: New Taiwanese dollar

Faction: NATO

History: Basically the same until in 1990, DPP win the election and declaring Taiwanese independence

Did you read the rules in full?: Yes

I'm actually convinced to say yes to this, but you need to lower your population by 1 million, explain how Taiwan managed to declare independence and what went down when they did, and I think Taiwan has a Premier that holds the position of Head of Government, so that would also need to be changed.

Edit accordingly if you wish to join the RP.

I think its also important to point out how his GDP is in the Millions

[Monsone]

Short range ballistic missiles not ICBMs. Now the MIM-104 Patriot PAC-2 is good anti air and and anti ballistic missile system. All PAC-1 systems are being upgraded to the PAC-2. German tanks crews know to hit the T-80 at its weakest point which is where the turret and chassis meet plus the Leopard 2 is far more mobile and can shoot very accurately while moving. We are ready for anything you can throw at us.

1) I never said ICBMs in the post you quoted. I simply said ballistic missiles; a broad definition which covers everything from an ICBM to a small toy rocket (if the trajectory is right).

2) Sure, all German crews know to aim for the tiny weak spot that from over 500m away is going to be tough to hit, let alone 1km out. No Soviet tank has a huge turret ring that is extremely obvious, so the weak spot becomes hard to tackle at range since it is so small. On the other hand, the Leopard 2 has that huge sight cut into the turret which is a weak spot as well as the whole chasis of the vehicle. Yes the turret armor is good because it's made of composite materials, but most of the Leopard 2 could be killed by a Soviet tank with ease.

And while the Leopard 2 does have better mobility, it still is much heavier than equivalent Soviet tanks which means the Leopard 2 can be constrained by how much weight bridges can take more often that a T-80 or a T-72. Speaking of which, Soviet tanks can also shoot on the move. In fact, practically every modern tank at the time could. Stabilizers where old technology by then, so most countries already knew how to implement and use them.

I'm not doubting the German Army is ready, but you've gravely underestimated the technology, firepower, and numbers the USSR can muster on it's own.

[Monsone]

I'm actually convinced to say yes to this, but you need to lower your population by 1 million, explain how Taiwan managed to declare independence and what went down when they did, and I think Taiwan has a Premier that holds the position of Head of Government, so that would also need to be changed.

Edit accordingly if you wish to join the RP.

I think its also important to point out how his GDP is in the Millions

That too. It should be $166.845 million.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

I think its also important to point out how his GDP is in the Millions

That too. It should be $166.845 million.

you mean billion right?

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Short range ballistic missiles not ICBMs. Now the MIM-104 Patriot PAC-2 is good anti air and and anti ballistic missile system. All PAC-1 systems are being upgraded to the PAC-2. German tanks crews know to hit the T-80 at its weakest point which is where the turret and chassis meet plus the Leopard 2 is far more mobile and can shoot very accurately while moving. We are ready for anything you can throw at us.

1) I never said ICBMs in the post you quoted. I simply said ballistic missiles; a broad definition which covers everything from an ICBM to a small toy rocket (if the trajectory is right).

2) Sure, all German crews know to aim for the tiny weak spot that from over 500m away is going to be tough to hit, let alone 1km out. No Soviet tank has a huge turret ring that is extremely obvious, so the weak spot becomes hard to tackle at range since it is so small. On the other hand, the Leopard 2 has that huge sight cut into the turret which is a weak spot as well as the whole chasis of the vehicle. Yes the turret armor is good because it's made of composite materials, but most of the Leopard 2 could be killed by a Soviet tank with ease.

And while the Leopard 2 does have better mobility, it still is much heavier than equivalent Soviet tanks which means the Leopard 2 can be constrained by how much weight bridges can take more often that a T-80 or a T-72. Speaking of which, Soviet tanks can also shoot on the move. In fact, practically every modern tank at the time could. Stabilizers where old technology by then, so most countries already knew how to implement and use them.

I'm not doubting the German Army is ready, but you've gravely underestimated the technology, firepower, and numbers the USSR can muster on it's own.

I think the real point being missed here is, why does any of this matter? Both of you know the strengths and weaknesses of these tanks, so...? Pretty much all armies have known the strengths and weaknesses of their enemies but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Allies knew how to destroy Panzer 4s and Germans knew how to destroy T-34s with their eyes closed. Even then, that doesn't really matter. What really matters is how you use what you have. Bickering about the capabilities of your tanks changes nothing, just move on and if you want to fight start scheming up battles doctrines and plans.

[Monsone]

That too. It should be $166.845 million.

you mean billion right?

No. The number is accurate, here is the source.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

you mean billion right?

No. The number is accurate, here is the source.

Yah that says billion.

It’s says 166,845 millions

As in 166 billion, 845 million

[Monsone]

No. The number is accurate, here is the source.

Yah that says billion.

It’s says 166,845 millions

As in 166 billion, 845 million

Well...that is why I won't read anything without my glasses on ever again.

[Agarntrop]

Can someone give me an IC rundown? Thanks

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Can someone give me an IC rundown? Thanks

West Germany is going a bit crazy, and everyone is coming to terms with that, otherwise it's all just been internal development so far.

[Agarntrop]

Ah. Well I shall drop a bombshell soon.

Literally.

[Monsone]

Ah. Well I shall drop a bombshell soon.

Literally.

Sounds interesting.

[Agarntrop]

Ah. Well I shall drop a bombshell soon.

Literally.

Sounds interesting.

Rip kuwait

Just like gollitian but it happened irl

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Well.... what an interesting turn of events

[Agarntrop]

Well.... what an interesting turn of events

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Hey it was a few months earlier than irl.

[Monsone]

Sounds interesting.

Rip kuwait

Just like gollitian but it happened irl

Eh, at least that migh distract Germany. Also, if you take Kuwait, maybe an agreement should be made between Iraq and the USSR to keep oil prices high as to profit since both of our nations are reliant on oil for our economies.

[The Felan Federation]

Rip kuwait

Just like gollitian but it happened irl

Eh, at least that migh distract Germany. Also, if you take Kuwait, maybe an agreement should be made between Iraq and the USSR to keep oil prices high as to profit since both of our nations are reliant on oil for our economies.

Or...you could condemn the Iraqis - sanction them, alongside the Americans...drive up oil prices even further and end up richer than before thanks to the Iraqis.

[New Cobastheia]

Eh, at least that migh distract Germany. Also, if you take Kuwait, maybe an agreement should be made between Iraq and the USSR to keep oil prices high as to profit since both of our nations are reliant on oil for our economies.

Or...you could condemn the Iraqis - sanction them, alongside the Americans...drive up oil prices even further and end up richer than before thanks to the Iraqis.

Has anyone apped as the US yet?

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Eh, at least that migh distract Germany. Also, if you take Kuwait, maybe an agreement should be made between Iraq and the USSR to keep oil prices high as to profit since both of our nations are reliant on oil for our economies.

Or...you could condemn the Iraqis - sanction them, alongside the Americans...drive up oil prices even further and end up richer than before thanks to the Iraqis.

Em... this is tricky, but tbh keeping Saddam in power is good for stability, and the Kuwaiti's had it coming they had been screwing with the Iraqi economy and with Iraqi security for decades.