Cold War RP III (Closed.)

[Minskiev]

Yeah, I’m nominating myself, Czechoslovakia, and those Moravians in Mozambique.

Aren’t the soviets perm members?
Also my nominations are Canada, Bolivia, and Paraguay

No idea, wasn’t keeping up. This RP isn’t really too motivating for me, considering the balance here.

Oh, wait, yeah it is. Alright, switch me for France.

Damn it, they’re too. Uh, uh..Australia? Wait, do they even exist anymore?

If not..Poland, I guess.

[Mathuvan Union]

Aren’t the soviets perm members?
Also my nominations are Canada, Bolivia, and Paraguay

No idea, wasn’t keeping up. This RP isn’t really too motivating for me, considering the balance here.

Oh, wait, yeah it is. Alright, switch me for France.

Hey, slip over some MiGs and Brazil could join ya.
Yes, I checked
Confirming you permanent

[Minskiev]

Already did ;D

[Mathuvan Union]

Already did ;D

Don’t see the telegram link plz

[Monsone]

Aren’t the soviets perm members?
Also my nominations are Canada, Bolivia, and Paraguay

No idea, wasn’t keeping up. This RP isn’t really too motivating for me, considering the balance here.

Oh, wait, yeah it is. Alright, switch me for France.

Damn it, they’re too. Uh, uh..Australia? Wait, do they even exist anymore?

If not..Poland, I guess.

Don't worry, France is merely pro-capitalist, not always pro-western. The USA wats to cut off your foreign currency supplies? No problem, I could purchase more of your goods (like vodka), and rebrand them and then sell them in the west. I'll take 10% of the profit, and you can have the other 90%.

[Mathuvan Union]

No idea, wasn’t keeping up. This RP isn’t really too motivating for me, considering the balance here.

Oh, wait, yeah it is. Alright, switch me for France.

Damn it, they’re too. Uh, uh..Australia? Wait, do they even exist anymore?

If not..Poland, I guess.

Don't worry, France is merely pro-capitalist, not always pro-western. The USA wats to cut off your foreign currency supplies? No problem, I could purchase more of your goods (like vodka), and rebrand them and then sell them in the west. I'll take 10% of the profit, and you can have the other 90%.

I’d like some vodka.
How much?

[Monsone]

Don't worry, France is merely pro-capitalist, not always pro-western. The USA wats to cut off your foreign currency supplies? No problem, I could purchase more of your goods (like vodka), and rebrand them and then sell them in the west. I'll take 10% of the profit, and you can have the other 90%.

I’d like some vodka.
How much?

I'm offering to launder the USSR's vodka to sell it on western markets. So, that is a question to ask the USSR. But I can sell you all kinds of wines.

[Mathuvan Union]

I’d like some vodka.
How much?

I'm offering to launder the USSR's vodka to sell it on western markets. So, that is a question to ask the USSR. But I can sell you all kinds of wines.

I can sell you tobacco and coffee.

[Monsone]

I'm offering to launder the USSR's vodka to sell it on western markets. So, that is a question to ask the USSR. But I can sell you all kinds of wines.

I can sell you tobacco and coffee.

That doesn't change the fact that France is not a major vodka producing nation. I certainly need coffee and tobacco, and I am willing to trade wine for it.

[Mathuvan Union]

I can sell you tobacco and coffee.

That doesn't change the fact that France is not a major vodka producing nation. I certainly need coffee and tobacco, and I am willing to trade wine for it.

Cool how much for say a couple million litres? Or something within reason? IDK because I’m not at legal drinking age.

[Monsone]

That doesn't change the fact that France is not a major vodka producing nation. I certainly need coffee and tobacco, and I am willing to trade wine for it.

Cool how much for say a couple million litres? Or something within reason? IDK because I’m not at legal drinking age.

IDK what would be a reasonable amount because the wine market is weird and confusing, and often times, numbers where faked. I guess 250,000 cases of wine would be a reasonable ammount.

[Mathuvan Union]

Cool how much for say a couple million litres? Or something within reason? IDK because I’m not at legal drinking age.

IDK what would be a reasonable amount because the wine market is weird and confusing, and often times, numbers where faked. I guess 250,000 cases of wine would be a reasonable ammount.

Should be fine.

[Greater Liverpool]

Put up a post

[Wasi State]

Put up a post

*Guerrilla War Intensifies*
The Hype is real man, can't wait for Sard to respond so I can send South African Marines to play out some combat.

[Sarderia]

Why would they think of Americans in Castillo? All relations between Castillo and the US is clandestine (only known to Government officials, and even then not all Government officials). The only thing that should be in their mind is that Castillo is a dictator, maybe their family member was abducted in the Great Purge, etc.

One more thing: can you not control my actions? I haven't said anything about a convoy, and while I'm willing to play it along, looking at such convoys from nations like North Korea, etc it would be most likely heavily guarded. You didn't give me a chance to respond, instead you wrote that all the soldiers are dead. I think I don't want to accept it.

Also, can we nominate NPCs? I thought this is limited to players only.

[Greater Liverpool]

Also, can I just say how and why would former Communist support the US in anyway

[Mathuvan Union]

Why would they think of Americans in Castillo? All relations between Castillo and the US is clandestine (only known to Government officials, and even then not all Government officials). The only thing that should be in their mind is that Castillo is a dictator, maybe their family member was abducted in the Great Purge, etc.

Also, can we nominate NPCs? I thought this is limited to players only.

There are only so many players who aren’t perm members. We will decide the vote.

[Sarderia]

Also, can I just say how and why would former Communist support the US in anyway

Because without US support he would've been toppled soon, and he knew it. Also, see the edit to my previous post.

[Monsone]

Put up a post

*Guerrilla War Intensifies*
The Hype is real man, can't wait for Sard to respond so I can send South African Marines to play out some combat.

I'm going to do the safe thing and sell weapons to both sides. But it someone has the bright idea to touch French Guyana...I will intervene.

[Bolslania]

Yo America/ Insurgents I got Assualt rifles and surplus ww2 vehicles if ya want em.

[Monsone]

Yo America/ Insurgents I got Assualt rifles and surplus ww2 vehicles if ya want em.

I'll sell surplus weapons as well as perform training for said equipment.

[Sarderia]

Yo America/ Insurgents I got Assualt rifles and surplus ww2 vehicles if ya want em.

I'd like to have some armored cars and Messerschmits in Castillo' arsenal. Diversifying is always a good choice.

Also, the US will support West Germany's nomination.

[Monsone]

Yo America/ Insurgents I got Assualt rifles and surplus ww2 vehicles if ya want em.

I'd like to have some armored cars and Messerschmits in Castillo' arsenal. Diversifying is always a good choice.

Also, the US will support West Germany's nomination.

Hey anti-Castillo rebels, feel free to buy any French weapons you need. The payment for them can be discussed once victory is achieved. But for now, how do Dassault jets, AMX-13s, Panhard EBRs, M4 Shermans, and some other equipment sound?

[Sarderia]

I'd like to have some armored cars and Messerschmits in Castillo' arsenal. Diversifying is always a good choice.

Also, the US will support West Germany's nomination.

Hey anti-Castillo rebels, feel free to buy any French weapons you need. The payment for them can be discussed once victory is achieved. But for now, how do Dassault jets, AMX-13s, Panhard EBRs, M4 Shermans, and some other equipment sound?

It sounds useless. Every AFB is controlled by Castillo's forces, and you need to make one from thick jungle if you don't have, plus the wheels would sink or slip in the ground. Likewise tanks are useless unless you plan to fight Castillo in the Andean valleys or norther coastal plains, and by then they'll have an entire army of brand new M47 and M48s as well as light Shermans that would utterly crush all EBR or AMX-13 (the French tanks are light tanks). Plus the swarm of F-86 Sabres would ensure air superiority remain in the legitimate Government of Venezuela.

[Monsone]

Hey anti-Castillo rebels, feel free to buy any French weapons you need. The payment for them can be discussed once victory is achieved. But for now, how do Dassault jets, AMX-13s, Panhard EBRs, M4 Shermans, and some other equipment sound?

It sounds useless. Every AFB is controlled by Castillo's forces, and you need to make one from thick jungle if you don't have, plus the wheels would sink or slip in the ground. Likewise tanks are useless unless you plan to fight Castillo in the Andean valleys or norther coastal plains, and by then they'll have an entire army of brand new M47 and M48s as well as light Shermans that would utterly crush all EBR or AMX-13 (the French tanks are light tanks). Plus the swarm of F-86 Sabres would ensure air superiority remain in the legitimate Government of Venezuela.

Well unfortunately for you, Venezuela happens to mainly be mountians and jungle. That is exactly what the Panhard EBR and AMX-13 where designed to fight in since they are light, highly mobile and fast vehicles. M47 and M48 tanks certainy have heavier armor and better guns, but are also more demanding when it comes to infrastructure since they need bridges and roads to support 50 ton vehicles. And despite all the advantages the M48s and M47 have, they would fall prey to the AMX-13's SA50 gun which is equal in performance to the Panther's and can penetrate the M47 from any angle and the M48 from most sides save from the front of the turret and hull. Considering that the French vehicles would also have the advantage in mobility and the ability to get to places the heavier American vehicles aren't able to coupled with the autoloaders present in the AMX-13s means that the anti-Castillo forces would have the advantages in mobility, rate of fire (initially, sustained rate of fire would get iffy quickly), as well as the tactical advantages as they can litterally outrun their enemies.

And if you are so concerned with mobility you would only send the Shermans because the sheer weight of the M47s and M48s would make them sink in the jungles (the M48 is nearly fifty tons and the M47 is nearly 49). The Panhard EBR has less ground pressure per square meter than a fully loaded soldier, and the AMX-13 also has equally low ground preassure. In fact, the only real advantage Castillo would have with his tanks is that they have better armor and guns for long range fights as well as a higher sustained rate of fire. But considering these are guerilla fighters and not a professional army, they will likely engage in ambushes at close ranges, which so happens to be a strong point for the AMX-13 since it can hide and then pop out to ambush it's target before heading back into cover and repeating this until the autoloader needs to be reloaded or all targets are dead.

And while Castrillo may have air supperiority, with his Sabers, the F-86 isn't really a great CAS aircraft. The Dassault Ouragan is. Sure Castillo and American forces will beat the anti-Castillo forces when it comes to one on one dogfights, but an F-86 trying to take out a Dassault Ouragan that is skimming the treetops dropping bombs? That is a whole different fight. Plus the F-86 is armed with .50 machine guns which are not bad weapons, but aren't really that competitive either considering the Dassault Ouragan has 20mm autocanons and the Dassault Mystère II has 30mm autocanons which have longer ranges and more damage capacity compared to the .50s the F-86 will have. In fact, the use of 23mm autocanons by the USSR on most of their combat aircraft meant that in the Korean War as well as in Vietnam the Soviet planes could outgun most American planes until the F-4 was given a 20mm rotary cannon. This means the planes that the USA and Catillo would have to use for ground attack missions are likely P-51s and P-47s which would be easy prey for the French jet fighters.

Just because you may have the firepower advantage doesn't mean you will win. Vietnam is evidence of that. The US Armed Forces couldn't beat a semi-professional force that primarily used outdated equiptment and hit and run tactics on the USA. Who says Venezuela won't devolve into that type of conflict?